[00:02:47] hey guys [00:02:51] if you have mods [00:02:57] Hey N70 [00:03:00] add the command line arguments "-nyan-nyan -ncats" to KSP [00:03:03] you won't regret it [00:03:54] https://i.imgur.com/TdLbld5.png - A planet tour, passing by Laythe, Vall and Moho - Created using HyperEdit [00:04:43] What a mess! [00:05:30] All in 34 Kerbin days [00:07:25] 3.4 Mm for Laythe, 3 Mm for Vall and 12.5 Mm for Moho [00:10:23] Ike is also around Kerbin, but very close to it [00:11:31] https://i.imgur.com/TdLbld5.png - VanDisaster, what do you think about my Laythe-Vall-Moho planet tour i created using HyperEdit? [00:23:31] lol i now made a suicide encounter with Eve that plunges me below Jool's "surface" [00:25:48] aaaaand a Kerbin-Moho-Kerbin-Duna tour [00:25:58] has arrived [00:31:29] 57 unknown objects [00:34:32] the mess crashed my game [00:58:59] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: I have a wormhole that reaches across space-time and I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE! [01:00:10] now if only real life was like KSP, where a pad can be used five minutes after the rprevious launch [01:00:13] as soon as it clears the atmosphere [01:01:01] FltAdmVonSpiz: Well . . . I suppose if you're using storable propellents you could do that? [01:01:25] maneuvering thousand tonne rockets around is somewhat... problematic [01:01:28] Or, ahem, launching nano-sat payloads from a submarine via a modified SLBM. [01:01:40] the idea of a swing arm launcher for Falcon would be fun [01:01:43] but rather.... enrmous [01:01:59] Action: Scolar_Visari notes at least two satellites have been launched into orbit via submarines. [01:04:35] Rather than reduce turnaround times for launch pads, just employ lots of launch pads. [01:06:21] Action: Scolar_Visari could actually see a use for having submarines carrying at least one orbital launch rocket for deploying tactical satellites like Kestrel Eye. [01:08:15] also I have to assume barge recovery of stages downrange has a far lower effect on payload than returning stages to the launch site? [01:08:27] as the stage just has to kill its orbital velocity and not reverse its trajectory [01:08:35] Yes, but it can also be inconvenient if there are rough seas. [01:08:47] Barges are not terribly seaworthy. [01:09:41] It should also increase turnaround times and costs, though not *too* much given how cheap it is to ship things on the water; excluding added infrastructure. [01:09:43] yeah, but if you could find a setup [01:09:51] you might be able to find a range with a small uninhabited island in the right position [01:10:45] You'd still need to set it up for shipping. Small islands tend to lack proper harbors! [01:11:09] Action: Scolar_Visari mutters something about having proper gliding boosters. [01:13:16] yeah [01:13:31] but a landing site made of concrete has the advantage of not rolling in every direction [01:13:37] like that Ariane thing? [01:14:39] I was thinking of early STS concepts and some Energia booster swing-wings. [01:15:10] BEHOLD! https://imgur.com/gallery/9c3nj [01:18:21] Also: https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_800_800/p/5/005/0b4/116/3aca59d.jpg [01:23:35] also realised my solar proposal would require 20,000 square kilometres of solar sail fabric [01:23:40] yeah [01:24:26] Psht can be done. [01:24:42] Or just use a laser with greater energy density to reduce sail size. [01:25:06] ;wa (20e3)^0.5 [01:25:07] UmbralRaptor: (2010^3)^(1/2): 100 sqrt(2) [01:25:36] 141 km on a side. No big deal. [01:30:45] We'll just need some funding to develop a way of reliably folding and unfolding the sail. [01:31:07] Action: Scolar_Visari is envisioning vac-suited origami masters. [01:31:35] if the sail is truly made by masters, having tabs that perform it under tension should be straightforward [01:31:53] (*pending sufficiently magical construction materials) [01:32:29] You could have rigid supports underneath. Just don't expect it to have an acceptable mass-to-thrust ratio afterwards! [01:32:29] +1 solar sail of swiftness [01:34:07] Just watch out for that penalty against arrows. [01:36:41] actually only wanting to build mirrors for use on orbit [01:36:42] Also: Why do you *need* a Solar Sail? Do you have something against the Rocket Equation? [01:36:46] :P [01:36:53] its 27 830 square kilometre mirrors [01:37:00] Oh, well then, weight isn't too much a concern if you're not launching form Earth. [01:37:17] ... yeah, I am proposing to [01:37:30] 135 kiloton of mirror [01:37:37] Sounds legit. [01:37:55] Just make sure to polish them off every now and then [01:40:25] hey 300 billion dollars for a 185GWe constant output solar plant aint that bad [01:41:22] You could also offer space on board the platforms for stuff that would've previously required GEO satellites. [01:41:25] FltAdmVonSpiz: did you mean 185GWe constant output of death rays? [01:41:43] FltAdmVonSpiz: i think it would violate several treaties about weapons of mass destruction [01:42:04] nah, it would just illuminate between 1 and 11 1300km^2 spots on the surface at one solar equivalent, 24/7 [01:42:15] each spot would be covered in power plants or whatever and produce up to 185GWe per spot [01:46:04] Besides, if you want WMDs, that's a rather expensive, vulnerable way of doing it. [01:46:27] about the only thing you might be able to do is psychological warfare [01:46:33] on people distant from you [01:46:37] Action: Scolar_Visari imagines an orbital Death Mirror getting hosed down by surplus Nickelodeon slime. [01:46:39] by turning the mirror on and lighting up their capital 24/7 [01:47:00] i wonder what that would do to the weather [01:47:02] FltAdmVonSpiz: Depending on where they live, that might not be so bad. London might award you a medal! [01:47:05] anyway g'night [01:47:12] oh god it would be too warm [01:47:40] Yes, but it might get rid of that persistant cloud cover! [01:47:59] You'd be forever known as the organism that brought the Sun to grey England! [01:52:29] Oh good grief https://i0.wp.com/exopolitics.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Chevron-battle-article-banner-1024x768.jpg [01:58:01] It'd be rather funny if there's some overlap with the Flat Earth crowd there. [01:58:59] blink [01:59:59] UmbralRaptor: The same web site's projecting that SpaceX will get tens of thousands of people to Mars sooner rather than later when they get antigravity technology, so it all seems okay. [02:04:32] Wow, that site is, uh& [02:05:42] What, you think a website would LIE!? [02:05:47] You sheeple simply can't handle the truth! [02:08:58] Let's go with the world that they present is way more exciting than the one we live in? [02:12:28] Exciting or absolutely terrifying? I mean, one would think people would notice two armadas of spaceships duking it out in orbit! [02:13:11] It's not like they'd be cloaked or anything given that one person with a Geocities-grade website noticed. [02:15:00] "The US Navy's Secret Space Program and Nordic Extraterrestrial Alliance" [02:15:53] 150 customer reviews? What on Earth? [02:16:17] Action: UmbralRaptor blames the venusians. [02:18:51] To Asgard! [02:22:06] "Everything or most everything humanity needs to know about aliens and their interaction with modern humanity is found in this book. Buy it. Read it in depth. Then prepare to spend days in deep thought digesting what you will learn." [02:22:15] I have a funny feeling these reviews aren't quite Kosher. [02:23:36] "Some of the lesser rated reviews seem obsessed with their belief that much of what the author is saying cannot be documented (or proven). Isn't that the point? If any of this information could be established with any degree of certainty, there would be no need for such investigations." [02:23:50] I don't think they know how investigations work. [02:36:14] "Good book on exopolitics. I didn't realize the Navy was this involved in space. It makes sense now that I think about how Star Trek and BSG both had naval influences." [02:43:43] "Mind-boggling information in this book. I would also say some of this information could be incorrect. But. I think 75-90% of it is correct. Do I have any proof. No. But, again. The deep state government has been lying to us for 80 years or more." [02:48:22] anyone tried this new game "Path of Exile: Royale" yet? i hear it got all the hype. [02:49:00] Never even heard of it. [02:49:58] All those action RPGs look the same. [02:56:28] path of exile is that game that gets called diablo, but with way more stuff, right? [02:56:55] "Antarctica's Hidden History: Corporate Foundations of Secret Space Programs" [02:57:02] UmbralRaptor: So point and click and yawn genre? [02:57:51] I'd disagree. well, until the only thing left is better loot. [02:59:47] UmbralRaptor: well not anymore, it's now a pubg clone :p [03:00:52] Scolar_Visari: it has a crazily complex skill system, so lots of variety [03:04:15] Action: Scolar_Visari seems to recall Kingdoms of Amalur having a fun skill system. [03:04:28] Mandatory multi-classing please. [03:05:08] that doesn't even come close [03:08:26] ok, that was fun... played for like 30 seconds, got 5fps, get killed, and then the game server goes completely down [03:13:11] We also need more games with combat that's not simply point-and-click. Also: Less bikini chainmail thankyouverymuch. [03:19:03] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders why more developers haven't looked into using actual Medieval fighting manuals for inspiration. [03:20:24] Like, have a bullet-time mode for chosing one of several parrying/counterstroke moves or switch styles when sword fighting armored opponents. [04:39:33] The hell? they made up another -fi term... [04:39:41] Li-Fi means...what exactly? [04:40:16] literally fi [04:40:24] ;) [04:56:21] what [04:56:57] Linux-Fidelity? [04:57:21] little-fidelity [05:16:05] Lithium Fidelity? [05:17:59] lithium flower [06:51:40] apparently I got contract to create gold vacuum depostion 3d printer thing [06:55:12] in ksp? :) [06:59:08] ehh no [06:59:26] was supposed to be pm. quite properte info [06:59:43] its not even patented yet [08:45:01] no tiangong update yet. disappointing [08:49:15] well, you may have some pieces in your garden [08:49:22] soon (tm) [08:54:36] no, the inclination is not high enough [09:29:18] mmmm... [09:29:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:29:21] awake.. [09:30:40] You bastard. [09:31:21] Oh good [09:32:19] ݃PnuPl [09:32:39] Yeah, no. [09:33:20] Seriously tho, please do mind the language in here. Also hi [09:34:39] Can I go with "I've been here longer than you have" ? [09:34:48] No you cannot [09:34:58] Hmh, I could've swordn. [09:35:01] sworn even [09:36:53] You probably have been here longer, but the length of time a person has been attending the channel does not relate to whether or not they can break the rules. [09:38:25] It seems we got off the wrong foot into this conversation. [09:38:36] Rats. I've been idling in here for 2 years to get closer to that goal [09:38:37] I am not here to challenge your authority. [09:39:07] Sorry for misreading you, Kalpa :) [09:43:59] Zarthus is an exception though. He gets to wipe the entire channel any time we forget to polish his shoes [09:44:43] genuinely i don't actually care that much about the polish of my shoes [09:44:55] exterminating another planet would be too much of a chore in response [09:46:27] Zarthus: to be fair, you *could* do pretty much whatever you wanted [09:46:31] But you won't [09:46:38] Because you are a kind God [09:46:39] You prefer another nationality on your shoes, Zarthus? [09:47:49] It's simple maths, if I kill everyone doing my chores for me I'll have to do them myself. [09:48:42] Wise AND malevolent [09:49:26] besides, it's a good day. I'm hoping I get to play the preview of Kerbal Royale [09:50:35] (real talk though, the Path Of Exile Royale actually looked kind of fun for a gimmick) [09:51:41] I should probably get some lunch. [10:43:56] Zarthus: Kerbal Royale is not until 1.6 which, at the current rate of second decimal updates, won't be until August of 2021 [10:44:18] 2020* [10:44:23] Welp, that's it. Just came back in from watching Tiangong-1 pass overhead. -0.4 magnitude, much brighter than the only other pass I've watched, which I think was at about +2.7 or thereabouts. [10:45:03] Luckily the skies were clear enough, wasn't expecting to get a chance to see it before it came down. [10:45:11] hmm quite bright [10:45:42] still half a day until it comes down [10:45:55] +-10 hours or so [10:47:37] True, but unless you're /really/ willing to put work in, you're only going to see satellite passes when you're in the dark and the satellite isn't, and this was the absolute last easily-visible pass Heavens Above predicted for my location. [10:51:54] i dont have passes remaining [10:57:38] TheKosmonaut: nonsense, there's a trend of unfinished incomplete buggy royale games [10:57:50] TheKosmonaut: I think the KSP team can do it in 2.5 hours [11:00:37] Well, the ISS and Tiangong-2 are likely to still be up for the next several years, so you still have chances for those. [11:04:23] Zarthus: I love that Fortnite is the best BR game in terms of stability. [11:04:37] And that somehow PUBG for iOS is better than the console version [11:04:46] Action: TheKosmonaut 's mind is blown [11:04:53] TheKosmonaut: Epic is a really cool company to have a BR too [11:05:14] Zarthus: bUt ThEY cOpIEd PuBg! [11:06:34] maybe if pubg was a decent game from the start they would have had more success [11:06:59] Zarthus: you watch your mouth. [11:07:00] even World of Tanks has a battle royale mode now... [11:07:04] They added vaulting [11:07:09] Like six months ago! [11:07:33] vaulting? like Fallout style? [11:08:14] honestly, if I were the ceo of Bluehole, I'd be a bit embarassed. [11:08:44] Sure, I'd be raking in cash and that's the most important bit, I can retire. But I still put something broken on the steam store and never intend to fix it [11:08:46] Embarrassed in their pools of money [11:11:16] i'm still mad I missed out on the Twitch promo where you got a $40 lootcrate for free [11:11:23] Would have refunded my purchaswe. [11:23:36] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwE3lM6ND0 [11:23:36] YouTube - Supermarine Walrus - 1/700 scale Flyhowk model kit - aircraft model [11:39:08] Fluburtur: woah. [11:39:24] It's so tiny [11:40:08] that's what she said :) [11:42:15] Action: Mat2ch shows Althego the door [11:55:17] hah esa updated. apr 2 4 utc +-4 h [11:58:09] Mat2ch yeah that guy is a wizard [12:00:18] what's the last, i mean first, i mean la... i mean whatever, characters of the topic? " #ٖ " looks like a display bug to me [12:00:54] that first seems to be part of a korean character [12:01:41] https://78.media.tumblr.com/ded12866083321b9347dc51201d5ec96/tumblr_p4ru3vgPjG1vrm1fbo1_540.jpg [12:04:49] hehe [12:07:00] ah i think it wants to be 1.4.2 [12:07:21] it kind of looks like it [12:16:53] Ah, Google Japan has done it again https://youtu.be/guJnFY1R4I0 [12:16:54] YouTube - Gboard iKM [12:32:03] so how and when did april fools get to be a thing in non-western countries? [12:32:53] Dunno. I have a feeling this was just a directive by Google and it's trickled to all the branches in every country they're in [12:34:49] there are enough myths about how april fools got to be a thing in the first place anyway, with like 14th century examples of people playing pranks on each other [12:35:12] Hii [12:35:41] there was a story about a guy who faked his death so he could see how his relatives fight over the inheritance [12:35:50] I had soo much fun with HyperEdit yesterday [12:37:41] ...that i posted on the KSP Subreddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/88qh9m/having_fun_with_hyperedit_laythevallmoho_planet/ [12:42:50] Hi N70 [12:43:01] i hate today [12:43:20] Why [12:43:32] April Fools? [12:43:36] shitty jokes: the holiday [12:44:02] i knew it [12:44:40] N70: i had fun with HyperEdit - https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/88qh9m/having_fun_with_hyperedit_laythevallmoho_planet/ [13:16:09] what am I looking at? [13:16:40] a computer screen :) [13:20:32] N70: language. [13:20:39] sorry [13:20:46] Althego: Out. Now. :D [13:22:34] :( [13:22:55] are SoIs calculated dynamically? ie. if you had that system would it recalibrate properly [13:23:00] or would you get a mess of overlapping spheres of influence [13:23:25] why would they be? [13:23:48] in a fixed solar system it is easy just to predetermine them [13:23:51] well having them calculcated at runtime avoids problems like that causing a mass of overlapping spheres of influence [13:23:56] maybe I just hate myself [13:26:56] I went to a local garage sale and there was absolutely nothing interesting [13:27:03] hehe [13:27:32] we shall take your light converters. that will be x bucks. i said we shal TAKE your light converters [13:28:06] usually I have to decide what I want to get because there is a lot of nice stuff but this time I was almost like "eh I should probably buy somethign" [13:28:08] but no [13:49:18] laaaaaag [13:51:55] you have it in your name [14:03:04] I wish Jool had more moons [14:03:12] many more moons [14:03:37] i want an other gas giant [14:04:03] the jool system offers the most fun. so having to would double the fun [14:04:25] or someting really surreal [14:04:25] *two [14:04:29] like a dual planet gas giant system with moons [14:04:40] probably not too stable [14:05:01] btw, the astronomers are lazy. where is my planet nine? [14:05:13] ok it is really far away now [14:05:16] if it exists [14:05:38] but still, find it already [14:08:06] Althego: Jool system is unstable. Why? Because Tylo. [14:08:20] yes we know in reality it would eject vall [14:09:42] And Pol would be ejected too (but it takes 10 years) [14:09:43] In reality, you say [14:10:12] if it was running gravitational differential equations [14:10:26] instead of on rails [14:11:44] Many other things would happen in the Kerbol system in reality. [14:13:46] Kalpa: Like what? [14:14:27] Kerbol turning into a planet so every planet is a moon [14:14:41] More or less. [14:14:58] Many fun things happen with the densities involved. [14:15:10] Because Kerbol's mass is only 8.5 Jupiters [14:26:38] Getting ready for a sandbox test of my Spacecamp mockup. [14:32:23] 4.4 kps to get to lko and back should be plenty, no? [14:32:57] you can go around the mun and back [14:33:09] free return trajectory [14:34:57] https://imgur.com/a/cfObG is what I have now. Life support is fine. [14:34:57] https://i.imgur.com/dMuTpdc.png [14:35:08] never flown a free return, though I have some idea of the concepts. [14:36:03] the current issue, WITH the current drop tanks, it's a bit too heavy for the pad (158 tonnes vs 140). [14:36:07] it is basically a figure 8 with high retrograde non capturing flyby around the mun [14:36:12] as I Recall the Jool thing is because the numbers have been set incorrecly [14:36:19] hi, i was just wondering, in on the surface of minus and how do i know in wich direction i have to burn to need the least amount of fuel to get an encounter with kerbin and not burn out of soi....Thanks! :-) [14:36:45] with minmus I just make orbit going in either east or west [14:36:54] then work it out in mapview after [14:36:57] without, I'm I feel like I'm underutilizing the KLF 250 first stage engine, and I think the delta-v is marginal to make orbit. [14:37:04] With solids, it's a royal mass problem. [14:37:54] I still want to do a sandbox test, including say a 2700 m/s entry to validate the ability of the heat shield to, er, shield the rather stupid bullet shaped array of hitchhikers. [14:38:06] FltAdmVonSpiz: Thanks! but is there a rule of some sort to do it for example on the mun. I see ppl burn in the right direction on youtube but no explonation was given [14:39:06] usually people go prograde [14:39:08] I've seen planes with basically the same pressurized section, but they also have a lot of wing to absorb the entry heating. [14:39:13] which means in the directions things rotat [14:39:13] e [14:39:21] so go towards east on takeoff [14:39:33] on bodies orbiting other bodies [14:39:39] if you chose your launch time you can ascend striaght up [14:39:44] It means that Minmus' spin is helping you. [14:39:49] then of course this determiens your burn towards kerbin which is on the side of the orbit facing kerbin [14:39:50] burn straight to escape [14:39:53] in case of minmus [14:40:05] Ideally you escape with your vector kerbin retrograde. [14:40:08] but in case of mun and minmus these wins are marginal [14:40:27] That means that you need a realtively small burn to almost cancel your Kerbin horizontal, and basically fall into an entry trajectory [14:40:42] Right, Minmus especially. [14:40:53] the problem with this is, that the trip back takes like 6 days [14:41:08] You usually boost a bit and arrive at say 3.4 kps? [14:41:22] so in case of minmus i usually avoid hohmann trajectories [14:42:20] makes sense. [14:42:40] doesn't take much fuel to save a lot of time, given the acceleration due to Kerbin's gravity out that far is pretty minimal [14:45:44] "Ideally you escape with your vector kerbin retrograde" what do you mean, i dont understand ... [14:46:09] say you are in an orbit around minmus from west to east [14:46:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:46:26] minmus is also in orbit around kerbin in the same direction [14:46:37] so where do velocities add? [14:46:53] when you are above the face of miinmus facing kerbin [14:47:01] if there you burn prograde [14:47:10] that would burn cancelling the orbtal velocity of minmus [14:47:24] that is kerbin retrograd [14:47:46] however note that minmus has an inclination, so to do it purely by markers is really hard [14:50:41] meeeesssssssssssss hyperr [14:51:43] NYAN CAT [14:53:44] ok i see now [14:53:48] thanks :-) [14:54:30] ;choose do a video for youtube|do nothing for a week again [14:54:30] Fluburtur: do a video for youtube [14:54:36] good bot [14:54:41] kmath is wise sometimes [14:54:45] this is so simple for minmus because your orbital speed there is low compared to the speed you need for kerbin [14:55:26] for the mun the similar logic gives you a 45 degree position on your orbit for optimal burn (between mun "front" and kerbin facing side) [14:57:29] lol these tiangong predictions are still all over the place [14:57:39] http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=37820#TOP [14:58:11] ;choose Mess around with the planets physicaly|Mess around with the planets's orbit [14:58:11] GurrenLagannCWP: Mess around with the planets physicaly [14:58:23] Yep, kmath is great [14:58:33] touching balls? [15:07:59] also be careful doing burns that cross SOIs [15:08:02] it can make your display go crazy [15:08:15] i found this ou to my cost trying to do a combined Gilly-escape and Eve retrograde maneuvre [15:08:22] never wanted to do anything like that [15:08:33] probably because of oberth [15:09:09] yeah [15:09:14] I was trying to drop into a very low pass around Eve [15:09:18] in preparation for the escape burn to Kerbin [15:09:34] but gilly has an extreme small soi [15:09:36] Gillys gravity is so low the oberth saving is negligible [15:09:53] yeah I was burning as I crossed the SoI and my navball went nuts [15:09:57] ended upburning most of my fuel going prograde [15:15:38] but yeah [15:15:46] maneuvre nodes across SOI can get a bit screwy it turns out [15:16:04] ;choose do video on 3d printed landing gear|do video on hot to make foam wings [15:16:04] Fluburtur: do video on hot to make foam wings [15:16:22] kmath please I can actually do that [15:16:25] im trying to be lazy [15:16:51] all the tiangong sites show the current altitude [15:17:04] showing the current apses would give a much better idea of what it's actually doing, lol [15:17:46] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:17:46] GurrenLagannCWP: 6 [15:17:55] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:17:55] GurrenLagannCWP: 1 [15:18:00] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:18:00] GurrenLagannCWP: 4 [15:18:02] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:18:02] GurrenLagannCWP: 5 [15:18:04] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:18:04] GurrenLagannCWP: 7 [15:18:06] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:18:07] GurrenLagannCWP: 8 [15:18:09] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:18:10] GurrenLagannCWP: 8 [15:18:12] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:18:12] GurrenLagannCWP: 6 [15:18:15] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:18:16] GurrenLagannCWP: 6 [15:18:24] ;choose 1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 [15:18:24] GurrenLagannCWP: 4 [15:18:43] so the sequence is 6,1,4,5,7,8,8,6,6,4 [15:19:36] what is happening? [15:20:12] does kmath have a random number command? [15:20:41] ;wa number between 1 and 10 [15:20:42] Zarthus: arithmetic progression->1 to 10->step size->1: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10} [15:20:59] ;wa random(1, 10) [15:20:59] Zarthus: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to 10: 9 [15:21:05] answer: yes [15:21:10] wonder what will happen is you ask it like 1 billion [15:21:22] ;wa random(1, 10000000) [15:21:23] Fluburtur: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to 10000000: 9272741 [15:21:31] It's WA, it won't choke [15:21:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wTG7KUnqFU [15:21:44] YouTube - This is a bit random - Vintage Random Number Generator [15:21:44] ;wa random(1, 9223372036854775809) [15:21:45] Zarthus: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to 9223372036854775809: 8817313418514601822 [15:22:01] ;wa random(1, -1) [15:22:02] Fluburtur: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to -1: 0 [15:22:12] ;wa random(1, googolplexian) [15:22:26] ok maybe that broke it [15:23:53] ;wa random(1, 9223372036854775545642597529578565452387575845474367848675456378479549563784754955656597496794656378545336746745846368754563784809) [15:23:54] ;wave random(1,1) [15:23:55] GurrenLagannCWP: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to 9223372036854775545642597529578565452387575845474367848675456378479549563784754955656597496794656378545336746745846368754563784809: -- this crap is too long. [15:23:56] oops [15:24:09] ;wa random(1,1) [15:24:09] FltAdmVonSpiz: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to 1: 1 [15:24:21] ;wa random(1, 92233720368547755456425975295785654523875758454743784754955656597496794656378545336746745846368754563784809) [15:24:21] GurrenLagannCWP: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to 92233720368547755456425975295785654523875758454743784754955656597496794656378545336746745846368754563784809: -- this crap is too long. [15:24:26] ;wa random(1, 9223372036854775545642597529578565452656597496794656378545336746745846368754563784809) [15:24:26] GurrenLagannCWP: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to 9223372036854775545642597529578565452656597496794656378545336746745846368754563784809: -- this crap is too long. [15:24:31] omg [15:24:34] ;wa random(5,0) [15:24:35] FltAdmVonSpiz: A random number in the closed interval from 5 to 0: 0 [15:24:37] ;wa random(1, 922337203685477554565846368754563784809) [15:24:38] GurrenLagannCWP: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to 922337203685477554565846368754563784809: 352848877634492171964601673575659443352 [15:24:42] stop [15:24:44] finally [15:24:46] oh dear [15:24:47] fir the greater good [15:24:55] I think it doesn't hve proper sanitisation of its inputs [15:25:14] ;wa random(0.1, 1) [15:25:15] Althego: MATH IS MORE REALISTIC THAN KSP [15:25:15] Fluburtur: A random number in the closed interval from 0.1 to 1: 0.475775 [15:25:22] oh good that works too [15:25:53] ;wa random(1,0.1) [15:25:54] FltAdmVonSpiz: A random number in the closed interval from 1 to 0.1: 0.785041 [15:26:03] oh it does work with reversed series [15:26:05] thats nice [15:26:41] ;wa random(0,0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001) [15:26:42] GurrenLagannCWP: A random number in the closed interval from 0 to 1.10^-47: 9.3718910^-48 [15:27:07] ;wa random(0,1.10^-472) [15:27:08] GurrenLagannCWP: RandomReal[0, 1/10^472] = RandomReal[0, 1.00000000000000010^-472] [15:27:30] ;wa random(0, 1/10^472) [15:27:32] GurrenLagannCWP: RandomReal[0, 1/10^472] = RandomReal[0, -- this crap is too long. [15:28:01] LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLLOLOLOLOL [15:31:46] what on earth is happening [15:43:24] OMG Planetary Diversity takes soo long to load [15:45:22] not diversity hires [15:47:03] When you load a savegame the first time with Planetary Diversity installed, it will lock down for some time. This happens because in KSP, every planet needs a low-res representation for higher distances. Building this low-res version is quite expensive, thats why it is done once and then gets cached inside of your savegame folder. When finished, your game should unlock and you should be able to explore a slightly different solar system. [15:47:24] ohhhhh its the freakin low-res images [16:07:19] I think I will go cook some rocket fuel [16:07:27] I didn't fire any rocket for like a week [16:19:33] lol [16:19:43] back to the kitchen! [16:19:59] what's cooking? hmm, nice, i love the smell of rockeet fuel :) [16:39:04] https://sattrackcam.blogspot.ca/2018/03/updated-tiangong-1-reentry-predictions.html [16:40:19] Tiagong-1 could land in china [16:40:25] hehe [16:41:36] The ocean is, of course, the most probable one [16:44:02] those uncertainties are going to be shrinking [16:44:05] at least in one direction soon [16:44:12] unless it has already entered the atmosphere [16:44:25] no, it is still up [16:44:46] The window is MUCH smaller now then 12h ago [16:45:00] in some of the predictions [16:45:07] and the esa predictions is not really one [16:45:12] it is around useless [16:45:39] Althego: and if you go there, do not read the comments: http://blogs.esa.int/rocketscience/2018/03/26/tiangong-1-reentry-updates/ [16:46:19] April 1st 22:30 +-5.8h is obviously wrong now [16:46:24] since it can only be -5h now at most [16:47:43] why havent the Chinese used it as an ASAT test or something? [16:48:47] The lost control... the original plan was to dump it in the pacific [16:49:05] That plan is now hard to do, since they lost all communications [16:49:21] so why is reentry this difficult to predict? [16:49:38] Because air at this altitude is hard to predict [16:49:51] and why would it be easier if they could still predict it? [16:50:00] err [16:50:03] control it [16:50:10] retro-burn [16:50:13] because it would make a deorbit burn [16:50:25] and fall down where they want it to [16:50:46] now all this depends on its tumbling, the state of th upper atmosphere, solar wind, and stuff like that [16:51:25] The comments are giving me drain bamage... [16:51:38] that is basic stuff. never read the comments [16:51:43] "Let's just blow up the thing" [16:51:55] TL;DR ^ [16:51:58] well breaking it into pieces would increase the likelyhood that the propellant tanks will rupture in the high atmosphere [16:52:02] eliminating the hydrazine risk [16:52:07] it will also get it to drop out of orbit faster [16:52:24] also just seems a perfect oportunity to test an ASAT on an actual target [16:52:29] so instead of one big piece orbiting uncontrollably you shatter it into thousands? [16:52:30] FltAdmVonSpiz: yes, and creating a debri cloud [16:52:39] a debris cloud that will very shortly become suborbital [16:52:50] its no debris risk [16:52:50] and also burn up completely [16:53:06] but it is highly unlikely to hit anything anyway [16:53:23] yeah... it's not a real risk to begin with [16:53:54] so no point in trying to solve a problem that isn't that bad [16:53:55] anyone seen "dead like me"? [16:57:01] so anyway, the prediction basically says "it could be any minute now, over the next 10 hours"? [16:58:10] yes [16:59:06] April 2nd, 2018 00:18 UTC 2 hours [17:01:15] utc+2 is not April 2 tho [17:01:40] it is here :) [17:01:47] yeah, but that's closer to utc+8 [17:02:16] some predictions still have higher error bars [17:02:26] so it is possible it will be in orbin when i wake up tomorrow [17:03:20] that depends on when you go to sleep :p [17:03:58] https://twitter.com/Marco_Langbroek [17:04:07] and https://twitter.com/planet4589 [17:06:06] you can watch live here: http://heavens-above.com/GroundTrack.aspx [17:12:34] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USu8vT_tfdw [17:12:34] YouTube - The Definitive 11Foot8 Bridge Crash Compilation [17:15:57] why is it in imperial when the uploader is german? [17:16:02] ;wa 11 foot 8 in m [17:16:04] Eddi|zuHause: convert 11' 8" to meters: 3.556 meters [17:16:53] the funniest is the trucks that barely fit [17:17:00] just scrapping the top [17:17:25] that's all the same bridge? [17:17:32] yes [17:18:25] one would assume that that many crashes would cause some structural damage to the bridge [17:18:47] read the description [17:31:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:32:50] hi guys, thanks for the help with minmus, i made it back but my ssto got damaged and i had to use my emergeny parachutes :-) [17:33:56] this got me thinking, are rapiers the best engines to use for an ssto or would it be better to use normal supersonic engines and then instead of close cyling go forward with nirmal rockets ? what rocket/ egnies would you use for that ? [17:34:08] uh since I started watching the tiangong 1 track the altitude went from 160 to 145km [17:34:20] but right now it is over the equator so it's probably the reason [17:35:35] earth isn't actually a sphere [17:35:42] I know [17:35:47] that's why I said that [17:35:54] but nobody said tiangong is in a circular orbit either [17:36:20] true [17:36:34] one would assume that a non-circular orbit makes predicting reentry easier, as it would likely reenter at PE? [17:36:35] ManuxKerb: rapiers are really good, the only drawback is that they dont help you get off the ground. but if you get past that they are the best engines for an ssto [17:36:39] is there a youtube feed ? Do cameras still work in the tiangong? [17:36:54] even if they work, there is no connection [17:36:55] nope [17:37:03] http://heavens-above.com/GroundTrack.aspx [17:37:06] They lost all telemetry in 2015 [17:40:03] Althego: thanks that answers one question but in orbit i use nuclear atm that seems to be the most eficient way for me, do you think there is a better way ? [17:40:29] nuclear is only worth it in an ssto if you want to go really far [17:40:34] it is simply too heavy [17:40:53] like landing on the mun or going to duna [17:42:04] Althego: also would it be kerbal to use supersonic engines at the begigging to get up to speed and then ditch them ? [17:42:17] wouldnt be an ssto :) [17:42:24] ok i used it for my minmus ssto but still much to learn [17:42:35] that is a stage and a half [17:42:43] (sometimes used in real life) [17:42:51] oh cool [17:42:57] on rockets [17:43:03] so ssto is is only if you dont ditch anything ? [17:43:11] yes [17:43:54] ok [17:46:33] waiting for the commie craft to crash? [17:52:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:40:51] ah good ol' ModuleManager and its Nyan Easter [18:41:05] :3 [18:43:01] is that the one that was broken at first and showed all the time instead of only on april 1st? [18:43:34] prediction uncertainties are going down [18:43:56] what slightly amazes me about those bridge crashes is that there don't seem to be any followup crashes where a car rams into the abruptly stopped truck ahead [18:50:59] Eddi|zuHause: speed limits [18:58:53] Eddi|zuHause: The yellow bar is a separate structure in front of the bridge, to stop vehicles before they can hit the bridge proper [19:02:38] 1. Remote tech integration and ISRU demands that you have an extensive network of relays and scanners... [19:02:56] 2. Having an extensive network of anything in this game radically destabilizes the save rendering it unplayable. [19:09:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:10:56] did tiangong crash already? [19:12:00] Nop [19:12:28] predictions say in something about in the next 8 hours [19:12:30] the live feed I was watching had it drop off the map, showing coordinates at 0, 0 lat/long [19:12:31] http://www.satflare.com/track.asp?q=37820#LIST [19:15:45] Sadly nobody seems to maintan a graphic that shows the heights per orbit of it [19:15:54] *maintain [19:16:02] sad, looks unlikely to reenter over california [19:17:38] last I heard it was like at an altitude of 107 miles [19:18:07] 146 km [19:18:20] in space we're using SI units. ;P [19:18:23] solar panels probably gone now [19:18:30] actually everywhere [19:18:34] ecept for the usa [19:18:44] (and some 2 small countries that dont matter) [19:20:08] even the NASA twitter account uses imperial units. I don't understand why. :( [19:20:21] No, not both, but imperial-only [19:22:01] faa uses kilofeet as a measurement of altitude too [19:23:41] wasn't there some movie where a sample return reentry vehicle gets eaten by an alligator [19:23:46] I think it had steve irwin in it [19:24:00] kilofeet?! [19:24:47] Hmm, would you pronounce that as "kee-low-feet" or "kill-oh-feet"? [19:25:27] (of course the proper answer is: who the heck would even use that unit anyway) [19:25:44] kilo feet [19:26:28] FAA apparently [19:27:41] Because they think 30,000 feet is more memorable than 10km. [19:28:15] 30 kilo feet! *ducks* [19:29:10] 328 kilofeet is space :) [19:29:11] Well, "thirty thousand feet" *is* quite memorable, but not "thirty kilofeet" [19:29:27] Speaking of re-entry...trying to get this thing down. https://i.gyazo.com/3a756059fb9d5e6fcbe3407fc97b745c.png - Third attempt, 50% survival rate for the craft, 100% for the crew. [19:29:44] i know this because spaceshipone had the designator 328kf because of this (100km was already taken) [19:32:25] The times I've saved a kerb by jumping out the capsule at the last second. [19:33:20] well they have their own parachutes now, so you can just bail out earlier, I suppose [19:33:27] Need to put more powerful RCS on it though...always ends up flipping. [19:33:40] has anyone done a skip reentry in KSP? [19:33:59] apollo style? [19:34:15] sometimes it took me long enough that the planet curved under me [19:34:24] but it is not really aero lift skipping [19:37:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:38:56] I wonder how much of the apollo style skip can be attributed to them just hitting perigee and going back up a bit [19:39:13] seems hard to believe a capsule like that could generate enough lift [19:39:21] it was going fast [19:39:34] and the blunt body reentry is still used today [19:39:44] quite well understood [19:40:51] https://i.gyazo.com/2e5863ae22067f8b5f51e98959c17058.png - Crew survived again. I need to figure out a way to get it down in one piece 100% of the time. [19:43:01] hehe [19:43:14] strange shape, and upside down [19:49:13] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:53:45] did I install some mods without realizing it or are there a ton of new parts in KSP? [19:54:05] https://youtu.be/G1KbLCSIokE [19:54:06] YouTube - fireworks [19:54:23] mk2 command pod, munar excursion module... soyuz parts.. [19:55:57] Neal: Making History? [19:57:35] appears so, what's the deal with the flameoutUnder value on engines, do they flameout <10% thrust or fuel? [19:59:02] thrust lol [19:59:23] they flameout on 0% fuel usually [19:59:35] I though they would flameout at -5% left [19:59:52] they should move that parameter from the fuel section to the thrust section though [20:00:06] hm [20:01:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/430093118839193600/DSC_8624.JPG [20:02:00] insulated? [20:02:51] black brant launch happening at wallops soon http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-tv-wallops [20:03:13] wait no already happened [20:06:28] any news on Tiangong-1 ? [20:07:47] This has changed [20:10:32] Tiangong-1 was nominated for deletion. - Wikipedia is REALLY fun today. [20:19:13] *sigh* [21:13:40] ooh, seyx [21:15:56] ? [21:16:17] it's a meme, it's an intentional misspelling of sexy [21:16:36] I am referring to the new look of the chat [21:16:51] Is it an April Fools thing or is it staying? [21:22:30] the topic? [21:22:54] Tx݇ uop p sdn [21:23:29] it's australian [21:23:46] http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html [21:36:33] No, poland is upside down [21:36:44] http://i.imgur.com/dcW9rpR.png look at third panel; you'll see what I mean [21:37:15] Also I was referring to how this chat looks a lot more like discord to me than it used to; I had a really old-school look before [21:44:52] Esper switched from "Iris" to "TheLounge" for their webchat.. no idea when though. [21:48:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:48:32] Evening, Gentlemen. [22:40:38] http://www.aerospace.org/CORDSuploads/TiangongStoryboard.png [22:44:50] https://78.media.tumblr.com/da9cd727cf806b8eb45b031894abfd91/tumblr_p52oa8roOx1uwul0vo2_540.jpg [22:46:10] https://78.media.tumblr.com/de1edf2c378d003bd3d89d55df1ec1fc/tumblr_p69ykeYkzD1u06v97o3_540.jpg [23:10:30] t-2h until the Tiangong-1 falls [23:15:17] I have a bet with a friend over the location of the crash [23:15:42] He said pacific, I said Eurasia [23:16:05] looks like I might owe him a CK2 DLC [23:23:36] Thinkgeek.com has a new bluetoothy pet rock [23:23:40] I want one [23:25:36] for the next 2hour, I'll have http://heavens-above.com/GroundTrack.aspx , http://stuffin.space/?intldes=2011-053A and http://www.aerospace.org/CORDSuploads/TiangongStoryboard.png [23:45:33] I wonder what the flat-earthers think of the high-altitude ballon pictures... [23:48:31] photoshop [23:48:34] They blame lenses, IIRC. [23:48:51] I forgot about that [23:49:02] why don't they make their own pictures then? [23:50:00] I think they have, from much lower altitudes? [23:50:10] And? [23:50:25] \_()_/ [23:50:32] *sigh* [23:50:52] Might have been in a range where nothing was measurable? [23:53:15] I give up [23:54:38] Man, I don't think any other program on my pc uses even half the RAM that KSP does [23:54:45] it really gobbles it like mda [23:54:47] mad* [23:55:12] I didn't run it today.... is it Nyan Cat day? [23:55:16] yup [23:55:23] Nyapril Fool's day [23:56:00] Can I turn it on 365day? [23:58:11] Supercheese, how mad [23:58:15] well you can screw with your system clock [23:58:25] T-0.55854250h until re-entry of Tiangong-1 [23:59:01] I don't know how they got that level of precision btw [23:59:01] Eclipser: like Mutable Accessible Data [23:59:36] ve2dmn probably covnerted from another value [23:59:38] "How many specific digits should we include in this?" [23:59:40] "Yes."