[00:10:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:10:28] Evening, Gentlemen. [00:12:08] konbanevening [00:15:32] heh [00:28:52] Can reputation go over 100? I'm over 75 on the scrol and I can see blue and pink lines above 100. [00:50:16] https://i.imgur.com/O70YBhP.jpg [01:35:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:52:31] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcAmNb5XQuI [01:52:32] YouTube - KSP - Maximum Decouplers! [02:21:12] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Who is looking forward to that big Falcon Heavy launch next month!? Oh, wait, it was moved back again? My bad. [02:22:19] Almost as good: Next Dragon mission to involve a pre-owned first stage! http://spacenews.com/nasa-approves-use-of-previously-flown-booster-on-next-dragon-mission/ [02:22:31] Scolar_Visari: Falcon Heavy | Demo Flight 1 (Maiden Flight) - http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ - TBD/NET May 31, 2018 02:22:09 UTC [02:22:36] T-6 months and holding [02:23:15] bees: Let's see that get moved back . . . Again. [02:23:27] it already moved back a full minute [02:23:35] you cursed it! [02:23:56] The Falcon Heavy is becoming what nuclear fusion is to the electric grid: Soon! (TM) [02:24:38] ok so many strapping together three rockets with duct tape wasn't as simple as we thought it wouild be [02:24:43] maybe* [02:25:34] icefire: Though it's been suspected since the Falcon 9's improvements that the Falcon Heavy is simply not worth the trouble. [02:26:01] Particularly since it appears the once strongly championed cross feeding may never be a thing. [02:26:03] the super heavy lift market doesn't seem to be in very high demand [02:27:20] Well as a super heavy lift vehicle, the Falcon Heavy wouldn't be that particularly good since it sort of has a puny payload fairing and it can only be, "super heavy" when you throw away everything. [02:28:16] Might as well wait for the BFR, which is also coming Soon! (R) [02:28:25] BFR seems... ambitious [02:29:04] The timeframe for its development is also laughably ambitious. [02:30:37] Remember: Musk has gone on record as saying there would be manned missions to Mars by *2024*. Even if that was without a BFR, I don't see any way in which they could develop the deep space equipment needed for such a mission with such a short period of time. [02:30:40] at least bfr seems to maybe just be something flashy to get investors interested, and not necessarily something that's really intended to exist [02:31:02] tawny: I wouldn't count on investors much, largely since SpaceX is not publically traded. [02:31:51] There aren't really much in the way of large companies which would throw their money towards anything Musk is advertising, particularly since the LEO internet thing sort of fell apart. [02:33:04] well, that's why I think that sort of hype generation would be a useful plan [02:35:04] I'm not sure what exactly the relationship between spacex and its investors is, but I suspect it doesn't involve as much haggling over financial nitpicks as a publically traded company would [02:35:33] so getting investment, I suspect, is less about showing some sort of clear financial gains, and more about showing them cool stuff to get them excited [02:35:33] tawny: Generating hype would almost certainly have the opposite effect on any company that could funnel useful amounts of money towards SpaceX. [02:35:49] how so [02:36:10] They're going to see the 2024 manned mission estimate for what it is: Total bunkem. [02:36:46] Why invest in a company that's making clearly irresponsible remarks? [02:37:31] We're not talking about internet space enthusiasts funding SpaceX: We're talking about large corporations that will want a return on their investment. [02:38:00] mhm [02:38:02] As it stands, there's not really a clear RoI that SpaceX is offering with its BFR talk. [02:38:31] but, they'll have five years before it becomes clear there's no delivery happening [02:38:31] As icefire mentioned, the demand for superheavy launch vehicles is not terribly high! [02:38:57] also, to be clear, I'm not saying I think it's a good idea to have made the whole BFR announcement haha [02:39:05] Five years? It's painfully clear now that SpaceX is simply not going to deliver on any of its current BFR estimates the same as they've had to delay the Falcon Heavy. [02:39:11] I think it's definitely kind of a silly idea, and an obvious long shot [02:39:22] I'm just guessing at what spacex's intentions were [02:39:37] because I doubt they're all so stupid that they don't know it's unlikely [02:40:05] Musk has made his intentions clear from the beginning: Go to Mars. He simply hasn't really explained how any of that is going to get funding except for vague mentions of untapped demand. [02:40:08] this may also be some sort of play to get interest for an IPO [02:40:25] but musk's also said he doesn't want to do that [02:40:40] He has stated he will not make SpX public [02:41:08] the other possibility [02:41:08] For one, theres not much stopping Bezos from attempting a hostile takeover if they did. [02:41:27] is that nobody at spacex except musk thinks mars 2024 is likely or possible [02:41:34] And Bezos is probably wealthy enough to attempt it [02:41:38] and that his big ideas are finally outracing his ability to make them happen [02:41:54] Kosmonaut: Indeed, he's the wealthiest organism on the planet and looks sort of like Lex Luthor (but that's not a bad thing, as I hate Superman). [02:42:18] He also doesnt like SpaceX [02:42:29] Theyre like the rich version of a slap fight [02:43:09] Bezos is Gladstone to Musk's Disraeli. [02:43:52] If Gladstone was rilly, rilly, obscenely wealthy, that is. [02:44:01] pfff [02:46:39] To be blunt, there have been warning signs at SpaceX for a while. Employee turnaround has always been an issue in particular. [02:49:51] The SpaceX Mars architecture is a little iffy, too. Launching your crewed payloads into orbit and then waiting days or weeks to refuel them does the exact opposite of what virtually every other mission proposal advocates. [02:50:38] oh? They wouldn't be launching the fuel first? [02:51:02] Typically, one would want to launch fueled payloads first and *then* their crew. [02:51:30] that does seem weird [02:51:38] That way launch delays or failures aren't as serious. [02:51:42] did they give any reason for doing it the other way [02:52:17] They never gave a particular justification for avoiding crew transfers or using a propellant depot. [02:52:56] Action: Scolar_Visari laments that Musk, more than any other person, should know what sort of cascades single launch delays can cause. [02:53:52] Pushing back a mission a week or two for interplanetary transfers could also result in a complete scrub, courtesy of Mars' annoyingly transfer windos. [02:55:50] mhm [02:55:59] With four BFR fueling launches to each manned vehicle, a propellant depot would be pretty attractive. [02:56:50] Not to mention that each manned transfer would require at least one cargo flight apiece. [02:56:59] god, it's really gonna take FOUR? [02:57:18] so, five launches total? Or four launches total, one of which is crewed? [02:57:27] According to SpaceX's early estimates. [02:57:50] Five launches total. One for the manned vehicle itself and four for the tankers. [02:58:20] However, again, you're looking at one cargo to two cargo payloads in addition to that if you want your people to actually survive for more than a few weeks. [02:58:37] So it'd be more like ten to fifteen launches within a few weeks per transfer window. [02:58:51] Unless you sent the cargo ahead by two and a half years. [02:59:19] This is making electric Mars transfer vehicles look increasingly attractive. [03:00:20] one thing to keep in mind is you can assemble things (including fleets) in orbit long before the window [03:00:43] then send crew and last-minute supplies just before the window [03:01:19] yeah, but according to Scolar_Visari it sounds like they're not doing it that way? [03:01:28] taniwha: Hence sending missions ahead by 2.5 years. Though those missions also don't require high thrust/high delta-v profiles, which makes electric propulsion even more sensible! [03:01:49] Scolar_Visari: no need to send them that far ahead [03:01:56] assemble in Earth orbit [03:02:33] though that does assume the engines and fuel will be reliable after a period in orbit [03:03:04] but then again, better to find that out in LEO than when hyperbolic around Mars :) [03:03:15] taniwha: That's about the Synodic Period for Earth orbit. You don't want to send everything at the same time, especially since SpaceX wants to generate propellant in situ. [03:03:35] that sounds scary [03:03:39] Scolar_Visari: you have missed my point [03:03:48] if your propellant factories fail I don't think there can be a backup [03:03:52] no free return from mars [03:04:02] icefire: Well, again, hence you want the ISRU stuff on Mars well before you launch your manned payloads. [03:04:11] (and yeah, you'd probably send stuff in advance anyway) [03:04:20] If it's not working, you need to assess a solution and send a replacement if applicable. [03:04:48] Action: Scolar_Visari can imagine ISRU stuff having many, many, many, many points of failure. [03:04:53] but if you need to do multiple launches just to prepare one ship, do it way in advance so delays don't scrub the mission [03:05:51] can even double as a research lab or tourist stop while waiting for the window :) [03:06:08] taniwha: Another reason why I love electric Mars transfer vehicles. They don't need so many launches. [03:07:48] Heck, a plucky little electric cargo transfer vehicle could stay on a transfer orbit, just punt its payload into an aerocapture course and continue on its way back to Earth without having to make a burn at Mars. [03:08:13] And, if possible, aerocapture itself at Earth without spending weeks and months making a braking burn! [03:10:30] there will be nothing plucky about an electric cargo transfer vehicle [03:11:53] OF course there is! It's like the Little Engine that Could! Painfully low thrust, rather small size and it goes up a large hill (er, gravity well). [03:11:56] electric propulsion is a cool idea, but having something worth using for actual transport is a LONG way off [03:12:13] hehe [03:12:21] Psht, DRA 5.0 Addendum 2 seriously proposed *Solar* Electric Propulsion for manned missions. [03:12:43] I think the real takeaway is that we're a long ways away from mars in general [03:12:47] figuratively speaking [03:12:49] also literally but [03:12:50] Using, mind you, either existing off the shelf electric drives (albeit in the dozens) or near future MHD. [03:13:02] Scolar_Visari: geriatric astronauts, eh? [03:13:23] (who were young when they left Earth's surface) [03:13:44] taniwha: Well NASA's ADD 2 proposal largely centered on the manned capsule boosting into a Mars transfer trajectory and making a rendezvous with the SEP MTV en route [03:13:55] This idea, however, has been around since the 50's or 60's. [03:14:29] most ideas back then were rather... overly ambitious [03:14:42] isn't that when they dreamed up STS too? [03:14:45] Unmanned payloads could do it now. Heck, we've had a SEP probe using older propulsion tech rendezvous with and orbit two different main Belt asteroids. Sending payloads to Mars with that is hardly out of the question. [03:14:53] and when STS was MORE than just the space shuttle [03:15:17] tawny: STS had its origins in the late 60's, though it's not like NASA had any chance of getting what they requested per budgetary concerns. [03:15:41] Scolar_Visari: a payload that's actually useful on Mars is a far cry from a scientific payload intended to study an asteroid or two [03:16:23] taniwha: I mean as far as mass is concerned. A specific payload (such as a base or descent vehicle) is a different matter, but the ability to haul something there is almost extant right now. [03:17:12] It's just a matter of copying the ISS photovoltaics, slapping them on a bus with a dozen or more electric rockets, and then waiting the twenty years for some one to come up with a 100 metric ton payload [03:18:00] Nuclear Electric Propulsion was also proposed, though no one's launched a multi-megaWatt reactor into space, and the R&D for one of those is obscene. [03:18:07] power required for an electric thruster: F * Ve / (2*e) (e = efficiency) [03:18:26] taniwha: The idea was that a megaWatt's worth of photovoltaics would be used. [03:18:40] so, >> 1000m^2 [03:18:47] very heavy [03:19:40] (1.1kW/m^2 at 1AU, but solar is maybe 50% efficient, then factor in 1/r^2 for going to Mars) [03:20:11] and solar panels are several kg/m^2 [03:20:18] (last I heard) [03:20:35] thus: a long way off [03:20:52] Again, for cargo payloads, it wouldn't need to burn anywhere close to MArs. [03:21:23] yes it will: corrections [03:21:25] Action: Scolar_Visari notes all of DRA 5.0 Add 1 and Add 2 payloads were dropped off into aerocapture. [03:21:40] Correction's aren't going to be a serious consumer of delta-v [03:21:44] and even if the bus is on a free return you'd need to get cargo from that to the surface [03:22:15] I guess you could just say "oh that's a problem for whoever's payload it is" [03:22:35] Scolar_Visari: you seem to be underestimating how big space is and how fast things move [03:22:56] taniwha: Er, I think not, as I'm literally recounting from the Add 2 paper made by NASA. [03:23:07] (hint for the first: 64-bit double gives about 1mm precision at 1AU) [03:23:23] It's not like aerocapture from a Mars transfer orbit is anything new. [03:23:34] actually, it is [03:24:02] from my understanding, NASA does not do aerocaptures because they're too dangerous [03:24:46] How did you think those surface probes make it to Mars? [03:25:08] retros [03:25:26] sure, they aerobrakes for entry [03:25:30] (unavoidable) [03:27:43] None of the cruise stages for the orbiters really had that much propellant in them when they were on transfer orbits. [03:27:55] it came up in a Scott Manley video a while back when he was talking with someone (I don't remember who). Not only did NASA not use aerobraking, but after doing simulations to ensure they hit the right landing spot, they "flew the simulation" (meaning lots of correction burns) [03:29:49] None of that really required that much propellant though, and in the context of the proposed cargo payloads, they would have their own hypergolic thrusters for fine adjustments after seperation. [03:30:08] They already need it for the ~500 m/s of delta-v needed to land after terminal velocity. [03:32:15] I thought the standard procedure was propulsive capture then aerobraking to lower orbit. [03:34:04] Supernovy: that, maybe. my memory is a bit fuzzy on the details [03:34:22] I seem to remember at least one Mars probe doing that. [03:34:34] Supernovy: Landing probes, with the exception of the Viking probes, do it all at once. Propellant makes up a very, very tiny amount of the cruising stage's mass. [03:34:40] Landers, I think, might have gone straight to - yeah that [03:35:05] Most of the propulsive braking is done after the aeroshell and parachute (which would not be applicable with larger hypothetical payloads) has done its work. [03:35:18] But I was talking orbiters. [03:35:38] the vid was about Curiosity [03:36:09] What vid? [03:36:29] the Scott Manley vid I mentioned [03:36:37] Ah. [03:36:50] Orbiters don't exactly come with protective aeroshells, so straight to aerobraking is not much of an option for them unless you like really long orbits! [03:37:15] Aerobraking has been used before around mars, but not aerocapture [03:38:17] Kosmonaut: I was using aerocapture in lieu of constantly describing landing directly on Mars after removing one's velocity with the local atmopshere. [03:38:22] And then landing. [03:38:37] The MRO changed its period of 35h into a two hour period irl. Thats about all I can think of off the top of my head [03:39:58] I think JAXA were the first to ever demonstrate Aerobraking in reality. [03:40:03] Back in the early 90s [03:41:18] After that, I think Magellan did something around Venus. [03:41:42] Then there was one where they used the solar panels like wings over Mars in the late 90s. [03:42:32] Kosmonaut: If one's being generous, Zond sort of did a similar thing when the successful missions used skip-reentries. [03:45:12] They fell... with style! [03:45:57] solar electric is barely viable [03:46:13] and that is if something ejects you from leo [03:47:11] bees: So are we going to get a demonstration of why NASA's Add 2 work on SEP is not viable or must we take your word for it? [03:47:40] Scolar_Visari: I have. now you demonstrate why it /is/ viable [03:48:28] (note, however, that I didn't really say it wasn't viable, only that it's a long way off) [03:50:05] taniwha: As I said, it'd detailed in Add 2. [03:51:27] so provide links [03:52:27] https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/NASA-SP-2009-566-ADD2.pdf Page 152 [03:52:40] Under 3.3. A Combined Solar Electric and Storable Chemical Propulsion [03:56:31] https://xkcd.com/809/ [03:56:33] going by table 3-39, it is a long way off yet [03:58:30] at at 7 sls launches, not really any better than SpaceX's proposal [03:59:18] Er, 3-39 doesn't detail anything other than the mission parameters. [03:59:35] and by my understanding, 440 days is a bit longer than NASA wants to leave its astronauts exposed to interplanetary radiation [04:00:12] 7 launches for one manned payloads plus two unmanned payloads. Doing the same with the BFR would require *15* launches. [04:00:13] (ESA, on the other hand, might) [04:01:00] anyway, I don't really care. may the best mission "win" :) [04:01:13] Existing career radiation limits are too strict for any interplanetary mission at this moment in time, they'd have to be waived regardless of whether it's 100 days or 500. [04:01:52] Not that we're quite sure how severe such radiation exposure would be in any event, given our woefully inadequate understanding of the phenomenon. [04:03:03] Action: Scolar_Visari wonders if Roscosmos could be bothered do launch a Zond spinoff into a high orbit for a few years. [04:03:22] yeah, all the low-exposure stuff is extrapolated from high-exposure, which is nigh on useless [04:03:35] If the Russian tortoise they send into orbit returns as Gamera, radiation exposure may be dangerous. [04:03:52] who's Gamera? [04:04:13] Gamera, in addition to being one of the first kaiju, is also a *turtle* kaiju. [04:04:32] basically turtle godzilla according to wikipedia [04:05:16] Amusingly, Gamera ends up on Mars at one point in his storied but second-banana career. [04:05:21] my understanding is the kaiju were always there, just woken up by nukes etc [04:06:24] Depends on the movie. [04:06:25] Scolar_Visari: I wonder if Roscosmos could be bothered to launch a rocket in a year without absolutely insane mistakes made [04:06:36] Action: TheKosmonaut coughs and points at Fregat [04:06:55] Kosmonaut: Soyuz and Progress haven't had *that* many issues lately. Though that last satellite launch [04:07:09] Action: Scolar_Visari thinks the last Progress failure was also MS-01. [04:07:24] Clearly they should've launched it as Linux-01. [04:09:11] taniwha: Interestingly enough, the many proposed Lunar gateway stations would be an excellent way of testing out long term radiation exposure. [04:09:47] can a sufficiently large and powerful electromagnetic field shield against radiation? [04:10:09] or at least the kinds of radiation we are concerned about? [04:10:23] the earth's seems to work quite well, but would a small one work? [04:11:22] Arcanitor: You'd need a duel electromagnetic field and plasma sheath for it to function, but it could work in theory albeit with high energy requirements. [04:12:02] You only need shield sensitive bits (avionics, crew, mission critical hardware) too, rather than the entire ship (which should be mostly radiator panels if you're also generating enough poop for active shielding). [04:12:19] Action: Scolar_Visari recalls a few papers on the subject. [04:12:43] actually, you do need to watch out for the rest of the ship [04:12:55] you don't want to activate the ship's structure [04:13:28] or have the rest of the ship reflect radiation towards your crew [04:15:00] taniwha: Some of the papers I've read suggested otherwise, albeit largely in concerns for electromagnetic shields instead of the plasma sheaths. [04:16:13] try reading the atomic rockets page on radiation. very informative [04:16:31] (I read the shielding section just the other day, way updated from 8 years ago) [04:18:32] I prefer to read the technical literature. [04:19:32] it /is/ technical literature :P [04:19:47] (in fact, it's a lot of "your" technical literature distilled into one place) [04:20:14] with links [04:21:55] It's not so much techincal literature as it is what a few people think of technical literature, and a lot of their stuff doesn't have much in the way of citations. [04:23:29] Besides, I make a point of saving the good stuff on my hard drive for notes. [04:24:52] https://twitter.com/kazoosky/status/936282423905591297 [04:24:52] �÷��L��\c_�WD https://t.co/sPRJWUuHCP [04:25:34] As I recall, the last time I took a serious look was when they gave Gravity the AR, "Seal of Approval". [04:25:45] From the website: "Gravity is a nail-biting edge-of-your-seat movie that somehow manages to simultaneously be quite scientifically accurate." [04:26:33] Action: Scolar_Visari notes the scientific accuracies in Gravity. 1. Space, in fact, exists. [04:29:42] To be honest, Gravity is about as plausible as Armageddon. [04:32:19] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders why Gravity did not take the high road and just have George Clooney float around by himself. [04:32:52] You know. Like open water, but in space. [04:35:40] That would've been really interesting, the more I think about it. Astronaut stranded in a decaying orbit after a serious incident, left to their own thoughts. [04:36:16] Mission control piping in rescue attempt updates, encouraging the wayward astronaut to stay positive. [04:37:00] my VN lags [04:37:07] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders a rescue attempt with an ISS docked Soyuz on their already barebones propellant capacity. [04:37:09] what is wrong with this computer [04:37:20] Glass: You require more Vespin Gas? [04:38:30] Scolar_Visari: as far as Hollywood movies go, Gravity /is/ scientifically accurate :( [04:38:31] Seriously, you should get to it. You don't want to be brought lo by just two Zerglings now, do you? [04:39:03] taniwha: No more so than virtually any other science-fiction film to be brutally honest. [04:40:01] I think the reason it got so many accolades was its effective use of 3D. Otherwise, I really can't recommend it over Space Truckers, a movie that had better on screen chemistry. [04:40:53] space truckers? so which is the ripoff of the other? truckers or cowboys? [04:41:52] Space Cowboys had absolutely no cowboys in space. Space Truckers, however, was exactly what the title suggests. [04:42:12] Space Truckers also came out a full three years before Eastwood's Space Cowboys! [04:43:15] cowboy is used in place of rebel, sometimes [04:43:16] Action: Scolar_Visari actually liked Space Truckers and RobotJox, which also had a more accurate thirty second space scene than Gravity's entire runtime. [04:43:32] RoboJocks? [04:43:45] However it's spelled. Best giant robot movie ever. [04:43:47] (I remember seeing that, but I think it was that spelling) [04:44:06] Internet sez Robot Jox. [04:44:13] unfortunately, I don't actually remember the movie [04:44:22] internet says a lot of things [04:44:43] including the earth being flat, at the center of the universe, and evolution is a myth [04:45:01] Unsurprising: It didn't really get much of a wide release, and it was panned by critics and its original screenwriter, famous anti-war science-fiction author Joe Haldeman. [04:45:22] Despite that, I still love it. It was kind of funny and the special effects were pretty good stuff in the era of VHS rentals. [04:45:37] It was also, for many years, the only good giant stompy robot movie. [04:46:12] it might also be an american vs australian thing [04:46:15] (the spelling) [04:47:04] Or Jox sounds cooler because it has an X! [04:47:07] I would have seen it in australia, I think, so probably around 92-94 [04:47:24] could also have been robojox [04:47:30] but there was no t [04:47:39] /that/ much I do remember [04:48:35] It's not a really successful critically panned unless there are at least three or four alternate English titles. [04:49:06] Action: Scolar_Visari glares at the various Lucio Fulci alternate titles. [04:50:31] this is ridiculous... I wrote a macro that displays information about participants in a battle and it resulted in the battle script getting stuck in an infinite loop [04:50:48] w0t [04:51:12] Battle? You must be confused, your game is in another castle. [04:51:32] you select which player characters participate, then the macro runs, and you go back to character selection [04:52:09] This is #KSPOfficial. The only battles that happen here are between warring super powers wielding ballistic missiles with strategic yield nuclear warheads. Those battles are no games! [04:52:48] If you want games, you should go to tactical yield. [04:55:06] I am a future professional game developer, so this is dead serious while also being a game [04:55:08] do you want to play a game of tactical nuclear warfare? [04:55:53] Wouldn't you rather play a game of Jinga? [04:56:02] what could you possibly lose except your friends, your skin, and your planet [04:57:00] Glass: Psht, that's only when you start playing with higher yield planetary level devastation devices like Reality Television bombs. [04:57:28] Jersey Shore and Keeping Up with the Kardashians are each the equivalent of 100 megatons. [04:58:58] Not nearly as devastating as the Roland Emmerich Doomsday Device, however. [05:00:07] Action: Scolar_Visari recalls the many times Roland Emmerich depopulated Earth . . . On screen, that is. [05:03:23] And Emmerich can't even hold a candle to the awesome destructive power that is the Fidget Spinner. [05:04:17] Action: Scolar_Visari leaves to ponder the ulitmate fate of humanity as they spin their fidgi and court oblivion. [06:41:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ktns' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:56:40] ahahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBIaM-nBeI [06:56:41] YouTube - Check.... Check.. Check. [07:17:37] so some teacher handed out a word document to all firdt year students which had the author's name set to "m.shinoda" [07:18:08] this is better than the chinese power grid thing [07:20:17] ...is it a crime against humanitu to use a non red icon for pdf [07:20:23] *humanity [07:31:32] these last few lines make no sense to me [08:59:00] aaaa awtf [09:02:00] contract for saving a kerbal made him appear on suborbital trajectory [09:14:10] lol [09:14:17] i havent seen that before [09:14:33] modify the the trajectory to an orbit [09:14:42] i replayed that and he is lost again [09:14:50] seems like a bug of some kind [09:14:57] no, what lost is lost [09:29:51] Gasher[work]: suborbital over kerbin? [09:29:58] yes [09:30:03] That would be... quite a challenge. [09:30:16] A claw equipped interceptor. [09:30:17] it looked like a complete orbit at once but then it changed to suborbital [09:30:22] why klaw [09:30:42] it was still outside atmosphere, so it could be possible [09:30:51] Gasher[work]: i was thinking if hes inside a pod, youd just ram his pod as it falls through the atmosphere. Haha. In a jet. [09:30:51] * could have been lol [09:32:24] TheKosmonaut, what was that word for such assisted landing? [09:33:03] For planes? [09:33:16] Or you mean for mid-Air retrieval [09:34:08] that, right [09:44:52] I wish they just appropriated the term Sky Hook for that stuff [09:45:32] sky hook sounds like an air pirate :) [10:36:07] TheKosmonaut, i read wiki article about that satellite - Corona and it says that initial films that were recovered had defects like bright spots because of corona discharges lol [12:45:51] https://78.media.tumblr.com/e7305b7764b21727da4a413010f1d6d2/tumblr_oq5d5ulsmp1qzhjh2o1_540.jpg snek [12:47:35] Fluburtur: welcome to madness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-kv_Oo4qfo [12:47:35] YouTube - Duck Feeding The Koi Fish [12:47:55] what a nice lil duck [12:48:15] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIviEsVyz8M [12:48:15] YouTube - Swans feeding koicarp [12:49:44] "feed us or we eat you" [12:49:59] https://78.media.tumblr.com/f813a622ae6f9e10b7ee97200f808da9/tumblr_oudkflmdA51uvv5gho4_540.jpg [12:50:59] http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Video/__NEW/f_ots_brave_cat_150624.jpg [12:51:11] it's aunt carol [12:51:20] someone posted this http://picpaste.com/pics/23915574_10214059468023580_266485235170526649_n-pIuHFxVi.1512042024.jpg [12:51:32] "who lost this tabby cat(?)" [12:51:34] strong kitten [12:51:38] err no thats wild puma... [12:51:51] https://78.media.tumblr.com/1f423324485d0277c93da7d9c6fccc38/tumblr_ozuv8nmE8y1v4qe09o1_540.jpg [12:52:22] imanage managing to bathe puma when most normal size cats would strach or bite [12:52:38] because it is good boy [12:52:43] lol [12:53:30] most big cats are actually really nice [12:53:39] I know that from the gifs I saw on tumblr [12:54:15] btw dont ever release carp species (like goldfish!) into lakes or rivers [12:54:22] they wheck ecosystems. [12:55:05] big cats aren't scared for their life when they pet you [12:55:29] my cat isn't scraed for her life [12:55:51] I can grab her and carry her around and she will be like "heck yeah im a princess I rule this house" [12:58:12] also are there still peoples that think that cats don't love us? [12:58:17] because it's clearly not the case [13:03:13] also I weighted the 1.2m wing I build [13:03:23] airframe alone weights 312 grams [13:34:22] hehe you say it as if it was something heaVY [13:35:24] nah it's actually pretty light [13:35:35] will probably be uner 1kg with everything inside [14:21:50] "man annoyed at morning rush trains, steals garbage truck" [14:29:37] https://i.imgur.com/9XG2GFW.jpg [14:45:09] http://justafantembun.tumblr.com/post/168078562794 [14:51:40] http://deliajones.tumblr.com/post/167940620649 [14:54:30] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:11:32] I know I'm late to the party, but 'I am Setsuna' on the Nintendo Switch has great piano music [15:12:18] (It's my new 'on transit' game that I play while heading to and from work) [15:14:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ktns' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:31:23] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:17:18] hey all, is anyone using twitch to install mods? [16:17:58] no? [16:18:01] why would you? [16:18:14] its pretty easy to use tbh [16:18:25] last i checked CKAN was the way to go for mod installers [16:18:29] although, i guess as its not working, its not easy to use... [16:19:19] if this twitch thing is anything like the MC twitch launcher my (admittedly biased) recommendation is to avoid it like the plague [16:19:31] ;tell Draconiator u here? [16:19:31] Fluburtur: I'll let draconiator know when I see them [16:25:44] any recomendations for mods good at making the graphics more realistic? [16:28:01] https://youtu.be/TzC1AXaA30w [16:28:01] YouTube - 2016 0701 173000 065 [16:52:00] I don't understand. Twitch is a streaming service, not a mod manager... [16:53:31] why would you include that fonctionality inside a streaming client? [16:53:48] twitch owns curse now [16:53:55] curse is a mod hosting platform [16:54:27] I see. I did not curse was owned by twitch now. [16:54:32] *know [16:54:38] the more people they can get to use their launcher, the more analytics data they can seel [16:54:40] *sell [16:55:03] I don't think anybody really made a big deal about it outside of /r/feedthebeast [16:55:14] still, it seems plausible the UI may have changed on something to now say twitch instead of (or in addition to) curse [16:55:46] ArcadeEngineer: is my client malfunctioning? I thought FTB = minecraft (via forge modloader) [17:19:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:45:22] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:45:22] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKn5lydAZ6k [17:45:22] YouTube - Stairway To Heaven (Gregorian version) [17:52:49] I forgot how to rename vessels that are already active [18:03:09] I thought it was right-click or something from the tracking station [18:03:36] I'll have a look, thanks. Landing right now, though [18:06:22] i think it is in the part action window of a command part, like probe core or capsule [18:07:27] Deddly: right click a command part [18:08:01] Aha, you're right. Thanks everyone! [18:10:31] Arcanitor: TIL thanks! [19:32:50] new video in the nuclear series from scott [19:35:07] The power of the atom [19:35:16] atom ant [19:35:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjlJ2F646bA [19:35:56] YouTube - Atom And Evil - Golden Gate Quartet [19:39:05] hehe, and top comment on the nuclear video: When you do nuclear science CHECK YO STAGIN!� [20:16:12] yo yo [20:23:13] good evening [20:25:57] can somebody put into the topic "check yo stagin" [20:58:39] :P [21:25:48] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Thank you Jebediah! But our princess is in another space station! [21:30:08] who would be space Bowser? The Kraken? [21:30:56] Bob, of course. [21:31:00] He's always stealing snacks [21:32:54] Moar on icy planetoid geological activity https://phys.org/news/2017-12-orbital-oceans-icy-worlds.html [21:36:09] who are the current leading researcher on exoplanets? [21:36:34] It's more of a team effort. [21:37:29] like most modern science [21:38:36] At the moment, I wouldn't go so far as to saying anyone is a leading expert on exoplanets yet. The field is really still in its infancy, and there are quite a few discoveries awaiting confirmation. [21:39:21] And then there's that matter on conflicting models for habitable worlds (is tidal locking good or bad? Insufficient data, models can't agree, but it is a fun map mode in Beyond Earth). [21:40:46] Which reminds me: I really need a desert planet map for Civilization V. Sandstorm isn't quite the same thing as playing on Kharak. [21:41:31] cuz I was browsing the university's physic departement list of staff and I stumbled upon an 'expert' on exoplanets [21:41:51] Action: Scolar_Visari also laments the reality that climate models cannot account for what geology is describing on Mars. [21:42:18] Really, he's an expert on high resolution imagery in infrared spectrum... [21:42:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:42:55] Action: Scolar_Visari giggles at the thought of an "expert" writing a paper on an exoplanet discovery, only to have it subsequently disproven by another followup observation. [21:48:21] Huh, so there's a Tatooine map. [21:48:59] I'm really just looking for someone to talk to over lunch about how orbits works [21:49:08] (I work on campus) [21:49:28] speaking of "expert" papers https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/universe-conscious-ncna772956 [21:51:14]