[00:33:41] ok, ace combat 7 is great [00:35:09] Fluburtur: guess who is coming to dayton [00:35:24] as guest speakers [00:35:31] idk [00:35:54] Dick and Burt Rutan [00:36:11] well nice I guess [00:36:47] I heard they were develloping a close air support aircraft [02:06:07] Thread of KSP simulation of some probes in a hard SF setting https://twitter.com/GregroxMun/status/1091086456926466049 [06:48:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:49:42] So... hello. [06:51:11] This is certainly interesting. Feels retro. Like Discord but better. [06:53:13] It is a bit quiet, though. [06:59:53] https://twitter.com/yoasobiyahonpo/status/1091042635496603649 [07:00:22] what is happening there [07:00:33] transporting a train car on roads? [07:01:29] that's not unheard of [07:07:10] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:19:46] https://imgur.com/gallery/juM2YPc [08:44:06] lol [10:27:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:30:27] GlassYuri: dang lol [11:47:59] ...I spend probably around ten months having an input field in my game, on screen most of the time, which had the components of a 3d vector labeled as 'X', 'Y' and 'Y' [11:58:19] good job [12:14:08] yes all the way! [12:32:31] I like how running out of RAM on a windows computer is like a serious injury in that that session will never fully recover from all the damn paging [12:32:42] actually I don't like that, at all [12:36:36] some people call it thrashing [12:36:40] swapping nonstop [12:36:56] yeah its like ankles for windows. broken and it never truly recovers [12:40:54] This is why lots of RAM and an SSD is more important to me than a fast CPU and GPU [12:41:25] is/are* [12:42:56] 16 gb ram on this pc [12:44:56] Deddly, my motherboard only has two RAM slots and as far as I know doesn't support more than 4GB per slot [12:45:21] you probabky need to check around and find what programs or apps is eating memory [12:45:27] That's a shame [12:45:51] I will say that open tabs in a browser is a massive memory hog [12:46:05] my current pc is built in 2015. last one was built in 2003 [12:46:21] my pcs last a LONG time. managing it well [12:46:25] Rolf, browser and electron apps of course [12:46:54] Right now, FIrefox is using nearly 2 GB of RAM for me. That's 1GB more than KSP is using [12:47:03] unity engine is pretty bad too, but that is partially on me [12:47:39] KSP is only using 850 MB for me right now [12:48:11] Interestingly, it's using only 15% of the GPU, yet I know that this GPU slows KSP down [12:51:01] Ah, that was in map mode. Interesting. Still only 45% GPU use in the main mode, though [12:53:54] not too sure how to get list of applications and memory usage [12:54:17] top -c then press c sorts em correctly but its in blocks not sure how to change to more usual units like megabytes [12:55:51] ah x works [12:55:58] 2.5 gb for firefox [13:26:26] Rokker ace combat 7 is nice [13:26:34] I like the f104 [14:20:29] Fluburtur: yeah I heard it was good [14:53:59] hi [14:55:05] Hello there pixelfox [14:55:40] hi deddly :) [14:55:54] im just looking at what the chats about [14:55:55] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaEMSKzqGAg [14:57:08] pixelfox, well, this channel is like the Lounge, KSP Discussion and Tech Support/Gameplay help sections of the forum all rolled into one [14:57:21] pixelfox, but right now, it's the quiet time iin here :) [14:57:35] and random links, mostly from fluburtur, also from me :) [14:57:42] There's often a fair bit of chat about planes [14:57:54] i mostly make complex starships etc [14:58:00] Yes, Fluburtur has taken over as our chief random-link provider [14:58:27] who was the former chief? [14:58:34] I would like to see one of these complex starships etc [14:59:09] np [14:59:12] https://imgur.com/a/Wo1BDHD [14:59:51] ty [15:00:42] Althego, previous random-link chief was Iskierka [15:01:07] now that you mention it, there was somebody here with that name [15:01:13] Ooh, interesting stuff there, pixelfox [15:01:40] just a rough draft of a same build i did years ago [15:04:33] I usually tend to go for small manned craft and SSTO [15:05:03] Oh yeah, and sailing around the world like a billion times in Fluburtur's challenge :D [15:05:08] oh my god the prototype UAV from AC7 [15:05:12] I need to build that [15:06:12] i used kspie and make internal deck areas etc , looks nice apart from not being walkable around lol [15:06:53] Fluburtur, my cruiser is heading south down the western extremity of the "heart" ocean on Kerbin right now. [15:06:56] have you looked at dual universe? [15:07:29] I still have over half of my fuel [15:07:51] I really don't think that it's going to be enough [15:08:10] tried all the sci fi builders they have over complex gui or awkward build tools and silly camera angles always come back to ksp since 2011 , only one ive seen that has me very interested in is skywanderers [15:08:16] obvious solution is electric prop, must be strong under water [15:09:01] Althego, I did consider that, but decided against it [15:09:55] only thing missing from ksp stock for me is tweakscale , a decent ker and at least 1 engine that breathes on eve [15:10:11] So I finished my game for a ran-out-of-time definition of 'finished' [15:14:09] you think we will ever get a ksp 2 ? [15:14:51] not anymore [15:15:04] :( [15:15:11] 2011 code ..... [15:15:13] I think we will [15:15:19] 1000+ bigs [15:15:23] bugs * [15:15:52] I think we'll get a few DLCs but I bet they already have started designing KSP2. That's my unfounded guesswork. [15:16:04] my pc is decent enough and trottles on 499+ parts now [15:16:17] back in 1.0 no problems lol [15:16:31] and my bet is, that ksp2 is too much work, they are going to do minimal additions [15:16:38] used to have almost up to 999 parts [15:16:47] actually since 1.0 there were a lot of optimizations [15:16:55] oh yes certainly [15:17:06] i could never go back to beta 90 lol [15:17:11] usable part count went up [15:17:13] or 0.23 lol [15:17:47] mk2 was never completed and a stock tweakscale would negate the need for more parts [15:18:28] i'd love to say be able to stock scale the nuke or ion [15:18:34] now they are just making new looks for old parts and call it an update [15:18:41] yup lol [15:18:51] or they are hiding an actual big update, and most of the peopel work on that [15:18:52] 2 minor bugs fixed lol [15:20:16] i dont need dlc for same price as game which should have been in an update in general , i want to be able to have more than 400 parts on a beast pc , a ker that makes sense , and not 12fps in low kerbin orbit and a stock scale . [15:20:32] i can have more than 400 part [15:20:33] s [15:20:51] i am not sure i ever went over 1000, but probably was over 800 [15:21:03] i can run re2 60fps high settings ........... ksp 400 parts = vaccum pc lol [15:21:19] true, with many parts you are not getting high framerates [15:21:28] but as long as there is no crash, it is ok [15:21:41] actualy its not so bad if i have pure stock with no MH , kspie totaly vaccums pc though lol [15:22:31] b9 procedural wings = vaccum ......... odd how only certain mods do that . [15:23:24] i dont dare attempt partwelder in 1.6.1 [15:50:45] oh right, Konstruction's weldable docking ports are still on my list of things to try [16:06:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:22:54] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Ragnite is Tiberium! [16:23:29] And for this month's stupid space news story, the award goes to . . . https://spacenews.com/op-ed-china-is-beating-the-united-states-in-the-new-space-race/ [16:23:58] "The reason that China has chosen the dark side of the moon for unmanned exploration is because theyre looking mineral resources there." [16:24:19] what kind of mineral resources? water? [16:24:30] and i hate it when they call it the dark side. it is the far side [16:25:03] Althego: Sigh, the author believes there is a physical shortage of rare Earth minerals and the Moon should have a lot for import. [16:25:27] there is a shortage [16:25:29] Action: Scolar_Visari points out those unused rare earth mines in the United States. [16:25:50] but mostly because mining them causes a lot of environmental damage, and only a few places dont care about taht [16:26:03] It isn't shortage: It's the fact that China sells most of them at dirt cheap prices and no one else has bothered to mine their own because of it. [16:28:07] The Moon, as well as any other celestial body, would be a terrible source of something for which A. We already have a lot of in spite of the name and B. Require an extensive infrastructure to recover and transport. The author doesn't seem to be aware that most space mining proposals involve using the resources locally, with water being the most sou [16:28:07] ght after. [16:29:33] https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/02/more-bad-news-for-controversial-20-year-old-claim-of-dark-matter-detection/ [16:30:38] UmbralRaptop: No one said detecting WIMPs would be easy! [16:31:04] maybe they should try to detect incels instead :) [16:31:09] They already beat up the MACHOs! [16:34:31] If I see someone write about a second space race that does not involve a zombie Khrushchev, I'm going to revive have zombie Lyndon B. Johnson eat them. [16:34:48] hehe [16:36:26] Action: UmbralRaptop hides the crystals holding the souls of Korolev, Ehrich, and Glushko. [16:36:31] hehe [16:36:40] good to have backups [16:36:47] "Whereas Americans view space and the moon as a desolate place, China sees this as the next zone of strategic economic, political and military competition between statesand the Chinese intend to get there first." Sigh . . . [16:37:03] UmbralRaptop: BREAK OPEN IN CASE OF SPACE EMERGENCY [16:37:37] after 10000 years i am free! [16:37:56] does it give you such a krick in the neck? [16:38:00] crick [16:38:21] this is what they would say. or soemthing similar [16:38:39] Action: UmbralRaptop feeds a bunch of PDEs into Althego [16:38:58] are those even edible? [16:39:30] I guess if they're written on the right paper& [16:40:16] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders if the author's knowledge of Lunar resources comes from video games like Moon Tycoon. [16:41:46] ksp should give some name to respurce [16:42:42] Space Force! [16:42:53] that leads us to politics [16:43:13] It's like those stories that assign tens of billions of dollars of value to massive asteroids without regards to the reality that such resources, in most cases, would be evenly distributed instead of concentrated as they are on Earth. [16:43:28] and politics leads to anger anger leads to hate, hate leads to kickbans :) [16:43:39] Scolar_Visari: something something Helium-3 *waves talons* [16:43:55] clone lives matter! [16:44:06] uh [16:44:25] UmbralRaptop: It's just as simple matter of combing through tens of millions of tons of regolith and baking out the helium-3. SIMPLE! [16:44:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lAfMT5FIZE [16:45:00] Action: Scolar_Visari just decides to breed tritium. [16:45:05] welcome to lunar industries [16:46:37] Heaven forbid anyone ever research a topic before writing about it. [16:49:28] Action: Scolar_Visari also notes the same author had written an article about the need for a Russo-American Lunar space station [16:49:55] usa wants to build a lunar gateway thingie [16:50:35] oh man, ace combat 7 is good [16:50:36] There are American *individuals*, but it's far from a widespread desire. [16:50:48] Fluburtur: "Trigger crashed. Drooling idiot! [16:50:57] let's face it. hubble is close to dying, and the iss is aging. no government wants to invest that much money again. these iconic things in orbit soon disappear [16:51:16] Action: Scolar_Visari points out Hubble's multi-billion dollar successor. [16:51:34] Boy, if you thought Hubble came in over budget . . . [16:52:04] webb is constantly delayed and is not going to operate that long, also mostly infra red [16:52:19] Infra red is quite good. [16:52:30] for certain uses [16:52:41] Yeah, like astronomy. [16:52:46] i didnt talk about their budget. i talked about putting something like that into orbit again [16:53:37] Althego: Like HabEx, LUVOIR, or Origins Space Telescope? [16:54:02] (& or I suppose Lynx as a Chandra successor) [16:54:05] Also: Tiangong-3. Or, perhaps in the near future, private habitats. [16:54:32] i will beleive it when they start building them [16:56:02] Well, ahem, they already did launch several test articles, including one attached to the Space Station. [16:56:14] good [16:56:29] let's hope they start building it before iss goes down [16:56:44] It'll be a long time before the Space Station is deorbited. [16:57:01] It already has secure funding for 2024, and it'll likely remain in orbit until the 2030s. [16:57:10] and itll be a long time before they start building it [16:57:27] Deorbiting it would be . . . problematic and expensive. [16:57:51] you know, the hofstadter law. creating new things takes longer than we think, even if we take the hofstadter law into account [16:58:29] Deorbiting ... you just need to take the Soyuz to go home and let the orbit decay. [16:58:51] darsie: And that's exactly the opposite of what everyone is actually suggesting. [16:58:54] actually you want to deorbit huge things like that to fall down to point nemo [16:59:06] Well, unless you want to drop it in the ocean. [16:59:10] make sure [16:59:16] nah [16:59:33] Nothing that large has ever been deorbited, and letting the orbit simply decay is out of the question. [16:59:41] and there is the supposed unpaid littering ticket from australia to nasa because of some space debris :) [16:59:47] Skylab. [17:04:50] Action: Scolar_Visari begins to seriously wonder if the BFR will end up being the space counterpart to the SS Great Eastern. [17:06:06] hehe [17:06:21] certainly it had a rocky start already. or should i say windy :) [17:12:11] I can't say there's much of a market for interplanetary colonization at the moment. [17:12:37] the usual. no demand and no supply, one has to start [17:14:33] Action: Scolar_Visari tries to envision shipping Mars-brand water back to Earth. [17:14:47] hehe [17:14:50] "The taste of the Red Planet (R)" [17:14:59] space beer, space coffe and studff [17:16:10] Yeah, but I can get that stuff cheaper from Orbital Brewery Co. [17:46:51] There are many ppl wanting to go to Mars. [17:47:01] not too many [17:47:17] Enough to fill spaceships for years. [17:47:24] but as i said, supply and demand can grow together, once there is an actual supply of mars transfer [17:47:49] How many volunteered for Mars One? [17:48:30] at least thousands [17:48:57] That's enough for a colony. [17:51:01] meanwhile the snowman is getting more and more details. i havent checked it for a while and the picture is more than a week old already [17:54:22] hmm, how many people are necessary for good genetic diversity? [17:54:44] (leaving aside the notion of taking a gene library along with you) [17:59:20] 500 [17:59:36] long term [17:59:39] in hex? :) [17:59:42] dec [17:59:56] Well, sufficient. Maybe not 'good'. [18:00:34] scott [18:01:18] darsie, are you basing that answer on anything in particular or did you take a complete stab in the dark [18:01:35] Read it in wikipedia. Looking for it. [18:02:55] Researchers in conservation biology have tended to adopt the "50/500" rule of thumb initially advanced by Franklin and Soule. This rule says a short-term effective population size (Ne) of 50 is needed to prevent an unacceptable rate of inbreeding, whereas a longterm Ne of 500 is required to maintain overall genetic variability. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization#Population_size [18:04:16] hrm, with no reference :| [18:05:52] looks like a 1981 text by those two [18:06:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:06:24] Perhaps a bit too optimistic about what we knew about genetics 40 years ago :/ [18:06:43] But sperm/embryo bank reduces these numbers drastically. [18:06:59] yea, that's why I cheated and excluded it from the problem statement [18:07:09] If you can protect them from radiation damage. [18:07:15] because that's basically a "how much of a futurist are you" [18:07:33] Is that a quiz question? [18:07:35] "on a scale from 1 to Michio Kaku, exactly how much speculation are you willing to do" [18:07:45] no I mean it's an entirely subjective question [18:07:59] Well, sperm/embryo banking is not futuristic. [18:08:12] For later use, sure. [18:08:51] But doing it for genetic diversity would presumably involve decanting and splicing, not "uh let's decant some baby-sauce and wait for a few generations?" [18:09:03] in the case of a bottleneck event [18:09:29] there's plenty of research on that, but it's research, so the best you can do is speculate, heh. [18:09:41] I speculate I could upload my mind to artificial (electronic) brains and live 10^30 years by eventually dumping 1000 black dwarfs into a 1 MW black hole and live off the Hawking radiation. [18:09:54] hehe [18:10:02] :) [18:10:34] but we'll certainly be trying out the technology in the coming decades, so I guess we'll have a better idea sooner rather than later [18:14:33] I may have done the calculation with 1 GW BHs, so make that 10^33 years. [18:14:49] hehe [18:15:36] 1 GW BHs are smaller than protons and thus hard to feed. [18:16:18] bh in german means bra :) [18:16:23] mhm [18:22:00] bra as opposed to ket? [18:22:05] hehe [18:22:31] the quantum is strong with this one [18:31:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:32:25] ready player a? :) [18:33:04] Yeah, kind of [18:33:06] I guess [18:42:16] Ready player a [18:44:19] Action: APlayer initialized. Please insert disk to play A's. [18:44:30] aaaaaaah cant dance [18:44:45] howdy [18:44:46] Action: UmbralRaptop inserts disks into both drives A *and* B. [18:44:53] hehe [18:44:56] Action: UmbralRaptop pushes the any key. [18:45:06] NeilKerbin: greetings [18:45:15] drive a and b effectively died out [18:45:20] Apparently, the disk was not made for being inserted into two drives at once and broke after such harsh treatment [18:45:44] got any tips for starting a new career? [18:45:55] you dont need a degree [18:45:58] Do not pick Sandbox mode :P [18:46:03] Depends on your goals. [18:46:07] ah in game [18:46:45] I'm just looking to learn and get the science [18:47:12] Assuming you want to grab easy science, there's some lying around the KSC area. But getting somewhere with a better multiplier (eg: Mun, Minmus) helps immensely. [18:47:15] use the space center microbiomes to get science quickly in the beginning [18:47:23] NeilKerbin: Get a solid base of funds by doing (probably) satellite and tourist contracts [18:47:28] in fact i can go into orbit with my first actual launch [18:47:41] If you're new to KSC, science mode is if anything more forgiving (no need to worry about money) [18:47:46] there is launchpad, runways [18:48:00] you just need to roll a bit to get 2 additional [18:48:20] off the runway towards the empty fields and off the launchpad towards the crawler way [18:48:37] roger [18:48:47] 1st flight, here goes [18:48:48] i susually do it with 2 joined capsules [18:49:02] 2 astronauts? [18:49:09] for 2 crew reports? [18:49:10] yes [18:49:22] jumping up will give you flying above eva science [18:49:25] and half a star [18:49:57] I should have put more goo pods [18:50:06] scientist resets them [18:51:39] you can go back a second time, they still have some science anyway [18:51:59] I got about 30 science from that [18:52:18] just a single pod on a booster [18:53:03] trying one with 2 astronauts now [18:53:45] and it died [18:53:49] hehe [18:54:00] heros never die :) [18:54:53] rough landing with all this weight [18:57:53] is it worth it to bother with the focused observation contracts? [18:58:05] not really [18:58:13] unless they are really close [18:58:30] but most of them need planes [18:58:40] also many of them requires the panther engien [18:59:04] yeah I always found them really annoying [18:59:48] hah i see somebody started to put the engien curves on the wiki [19:00:21] can't get the altitude i guess with basic engine [19:00:32] yes, not even with the second one [19:00:49] especially when you also need to fly far away [19:05:16] What curves? [19:06:03] not with that altitude [19:06:19] the engine curves, like these https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/J-404_%22Panther%22_Afterburning_Turbofan [19:06:49] the game never exposes these to you [19:06:51] Ahh, jet. [19:07:10] jest have two [19:07:16] rockets have one [19:07:35] and hiding these is annoying in case you want to design an eve ascent vehicle [19:07:40] mhm, Isp .... [19:08:14] Just use the best for Eve. [19:08:35] hehe, and how do you know that, when you cant see the data for higher than 1 atmosphere inside the game? [19:09:03] Mammoth, RS-25 (1/4 mammoth) [19:09:09] I thought you could with 1.6? [19:09:18] how? [19:09:45] Not sure if the next stage would be a Terrier. [19:09:47] oh with the ker liek thingie [19:09:51] The �V calc includes TWR, and lets you set >1 atm pressures IIRC [19:10:27] which is useful in its own way [19:10:47] but i still want the diagrams to be available in the game [19:10:57] they are part of the engines description [19:11:19] fair [19:11:28] I tried to drop engines on Eve to get the data, but failed. Drowning them in the ocean failed, too. [19:11:35] hehe [19:11:49] o_O [19:12:27] it is hard to make anything sink in ksp anyway [19:14:23] Vector [19:14:35] yes that is one of the best [19:17:04] what should first upgrades be? [19:17:09] and tech tree? [19:17:20] i always priorize science and depriorize planes [19:17:30] because science gives you more points to spend [19:17:46] and you dont actually need planes [19:17:53] not for the cool stuff [19:18:02] I'd make hte next rocket tech first. Gets you to orbit. [19:18:53] yeah you need to liquid fuel [19:20:02] do you even liquid fuel, bro? :) [19:21:43] Hy-bro-lox [19:22:42] is orbiting possible wihtout boosters? [19:23:18] I don't have those side couplers yet [19:23:41] NeilKerbin , it depends on what kind of payload you have on top of the rocket [19:23:41] side couplers add addition parts, so in the beginning i use a single center decoupler and multiple solids on it [19:23:59] roger [19:24:08] dV map says 3300 for orbit [19:24:21] or in some cases a single side decoupler and a solid booster, one of the stock rockets has that too, not to mention reality :) [19:24:32] NeilKerbin: Basic rocketry or so allows you to make an SSTO. [19:24:55] okay i just suck then :S [19:25:14] Well, not every newbie sees that possibility. [19:25:47] You need the delta v but also enough twr to lift the rocket up. Usually 1.5 twr is enough [19:26:29] You also need to fly shallow. [19:27:01] Takes some skill. [19:27:23] But it's fun, getting your second rocket to orbit :). [19:27:51] ahh reliant vs swivel makes a big difference [19:28:04] 3178 [19:31:45] needs fins [19:32:35] 1.5 TWR is about 0.2 - 0.3 more than I aim for in a normal build [19:32:55] Sometimes, rarely, I go for 1.4 [19:37:05] hi [19:37:27] I'll have to check what this one was [19:37:30] i think 1.6 [19:38:08] I made a "contact" message for help to delete my account, could someone check it out? [19:40:49] Im not sure how [19:42:10] Think you need to be a mod ^_^ [20:06:04] Action: hoglahoo downloads himself [20:08:36] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Got a present for ya! [20:08:50] Action: Scolar_Visari chucks some C4 on to the #KSPOfficial Tiberium refinery. [20:11:17] Jokes on you, all the KSP parts explode anyway [20:11:26] The author of that SpaceNews article responded to one of the comments, I'm 3/4ths tempted to reply to see what their reaction is. [20:12:28] thank you, colonel burton [20:13:30] Tiberium Dawn Commando > Colonel Burton. The former is funnier. [20:14:52] do they say the same thing [20:14:58] I didnt play the tiberium titles [20:15:17] Not quite. The various Tanyas were even more . . . disturbing. [20:15:31] Action: Scolar_Visari is still haunted at night by the laughter of the characters as they mowed down Soviet infantry. [20:15:38] I basically skipped from red alert to generals, was thrilled with ra2 [20:15:40] wasnt* [20:15:57] hm [20:16:44] alright ace combat 7 is intense [20:18:30] Fluburtur: Mage 1, Magnum! [20:19:23] also I unlocked the republic of Estovakia emblem for some reason [20:19:28] not gonna complain tho, it looks nice [20:20:29] https://66.media.tumblr.com/f20a15f8ba9ab510e3487b533bbb768b/tumblr_pieottgzLb1vrc2qto1_540.jpg are you telling me you have two words for lemon [20:20:36] because citron is lemon in french [20:24:18] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/534941194057416714/540990706618073089/image0.png [20:24:43] The Estovakian roundel goes well with the Sol squadron liveries for the Su-30SM, Su-30 M2 and X-02. [20:25:00] The Rafale M also gets a black livery not unlike its Estovakian colors from AC6. [20:28:37] im working towards the rafale now [20:28:49] mostly using the su 33 and 37 until then [20:29:24] The Su-33 is one of the most well balanced craft alongside the Rafale. I love me some anti-shipping missiles. [20:29:34] yeah I use those a lot [20:29:52] would like some air to ground weapons on the 37 but well, it is a air superiority fighter [20:29:53] "Enemy fleet? What enemy fleet?" [20:30:40] shock missile when [20:33:19] There are not, however, any superweapon missiles ala the CFA-44's All Direction Multi-Purpose Missiles or the ADFX-01's Multi-Purpose Burst Missile. [20:33:33] the su37 has a laser [20:33:41] but I def want the falken, love this thing [20:33:53] perhaps a x02 or yr-99 too [20:35:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v RyanKnack_' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:37:09] The Falken's not in AC6, but a two seater variant of the X-02 is. [20:38:01] The Su-37's laser sort of stinks. The pulse lasers are far more effective, particularly on the Su-50, which has a greater number of shots. [20:39:12] Even with the lead time included, a pulse laser plus all the parts can reliably kill anything in three or four hits. [20:39:21] Aside from ships, that is, or bosses. [20:41:29] could be useful for shooting mister x [20:44:30] I've tried, it's not that useful. [20:44:41] I've had better luck with the MiG-21's machine gun pods. [20:44:58] it is almost as hard as shooting down the varcolacs in ac joint assault [20:46:23] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders if the Falken would be included in DLC. [20:46:33] I want my ADFX-01 Morgan back too! [20:47:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:55:32] however, that experimental UAV that looks like a scaled down signel engine falken is nice [20:55:37] I want to build that now [20:58:37] The UAV sound effects are also different from normal jets. [20:58:47] yeah [21:00:37] Like . . . flies. [21:00:45]