[00:00:24] not sure :/ [00:00:36] ay look, it's BFR! [00:00:37] yeah I'm testing that [00:00:39] hold on [00:09:56] so it appears the up and upaxis are almost the same, and it does change with position [00:10:09] however, I have no idea how it changes or what the values represent [00:10:11] :V [00:10:16] ? [00:10:54] the values for two vessel attributes at different locations [00:11:02] I'm mostly used to this theses days: https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS/structures/vessels/vessel.html [00:16:31] oh god what have I got myself into :V [00:16:38] thanks for the tip ve2dmn [00:17:59] you know you have a space junk problem when it starts de-orbiting intact with crew onboard [00:18:57] random capsule here, random probe there o.o [00:19:52] ok, time to clean up the place [00:21:40] what is the lowest orbital altitude to avoid atmospheric drag orbit decay in stock vanilla ksp? [00:21:53] i know it's higher than 70 km [00:21:57] for which body? [00:22:02] kerbin [00:22:07] 70km ecactly [00:22:17] exactly [00:22:27] ive had stuff at 71km de-orbit on its own [00:22:35] !shrug [00:22:44] that's where the atmosphere ends [00:22:48] hmmm [00:26:28] Heading would be the direction a vessel is pointing, yes? [00:27:37] no, direction of travel [00:27:45] relative to what? [00:27:55] north? [00:28:35] if you're going from paris to moscow on a train, your body personage can be on a heading, while your body personage is on a -different- orientation [00:28:56] your orientation is what is pointing where [00:29:08] okay [00:29:39] your heading is direction of travel though a defined space, such as a room or solar system [00:30:01] alright [00:31:01] i believe the proper term for the combined orientation and heading is "attitude" [00:32:13] ... vector? [00:32:25] vector is your path [00:32:27] lol sorry... [00:32:29] :D [00:32:40] vector is path and speed [00:32:46] ok [00:32:50] Victor? [00:33:04] my head is full of coldy cobwebs -sneezes- [00:33:22] attitude can just be your orientation.. heading is part of that aspect [00:34:05] orientation being heading (yaw), pitch, roll... [00:34:49] woah ok that didnt work [00:35:19] ... blew out more than cobwebs did ya? [00:35:43] tried de-orbiting my crew escape/rescue craft, staging was all wrong plus yeah ww [00:36:00] crew died [00:36:17] rip [00:36:51] the retro rockets rotated into the rescue pod part of the ship, so now an empty command module is floating down [00:39:28] rip those kerbals x-x [00:39:32] is Steven Madding on the channel? [00:39:38] is he ever on the channel? [00:39:45] who? [00:40:03] continuer of kOS [00:40:09] yes [00:40:29] you'll see some folks like him pop in every once in a while [00:41:24] from what i know of video game development, chatting with end uses in a forum or channel for that game can be very distracting [00:41:58] ah yes [00:42:29] I like interacting with my users on twitter, but then there are only like 20 of them, of which two give feedback [00:42:41] hehe [00:42:58] protip: the less users you have, the more likely you are to please everyone [00:43:17] GlassYuri: I have 1. me [00:43:27] that's a bigass dome [00:43:44] transitbiker: it's the smallest [00:44:22] ve2dmn: I strongly recommend against that user. They will find every flaw in your program and hate you for it. [00:44:35] Also, that user knows where you live. [00:44:39] UmbralRaptop: too late [00:44:53] ve2dmn, I think it is absolutely necessary for one's self-esteem to have at least one user who hasn't seen how bad the code is [00:45:22] i would guess that larger domes would need to be made out of intersecting trusses, with some substantial anchorage toward the base of the main legs [00:45:58] transitbiker: etter? [00:46:06] better? [00:46:28] we have a ower shortage m8 [00:46:37] shower? [00:46:59] UmbralRaptop, I ran a twitter poll about how necessary users think a certain feature is, out of 54 participants 11 stated they were going to kill me over it [00:47:19] GlassYuri: uh. [00:47:47] they don't know exactly where I live, but given that some of them likely live near me and have common interests, I'm not very safe [00:48:11] ve2dmn, how big is the lozenge shaped dome? [00:50:15] woah [00:50:28] ...my teacher has stopped talking and everyone is typing but I'm not sure what sort of assignment he gave [00:50:45] oops [00:51:45] compressed air/thermal exchange power storage for wind/PV [00:52:07] probably just told us to try out what a pointer is [00:52:14] it's going to be a ting [00:52:18] thing [00:52:24] pointer sisters? [00:54:04] transitbiker, so basically compressed gas but with the most easily replaceable gas? [00:54:12] yes [00:54:30] basically a pressure battery [00:59:03] transitbiker, I guess using part of a wind turbine's pylon as an air reservoir could be rather cost effective [01:00:12] ugh, this replacement transfer stage brought up to hook on to a craft i got the staging wrong with is literally so perfectly matched in orbit shape and speed that it'll never catch up to dock -.- [01:00:38] yeah, and offshore could put it on a barge or on the seafloor [01:01:12] wonder how much pressure you'd need to make the density near that of water [01:01:58] offshore wind farms tend to be more baseline power supply, while PV tends to peak during low demand times, so on-shore wind farms would benefit more, i think [01:02:11] ...I really hope offshore takes off here in japan one day [01:02:13] as well as the PV [01:02:21] it has to [01:02:56] there are like almost no renewables here, and not much recycling either [01:03:18] the only other option for japan and that area is thermal gradient, which requires gigantic structures to be efficient [01:03:48] does that require messing with the ground in an earthquake region? [01:04:02] how about geothermal? [01:04:07] Ring of Fire and all that [01:04:38] oceanic thermal gradient power generation involves harnessing the thermal imbalance of ocean water [01:04:57] basically it's a convection engine [01:04:59] generally anything ocean based would be ideal in japan [01:07:01] might be thinking sterling engine [01:07:08] mind you.. sterling uses air instead [01:07:30] I thought tidal based generation was going to be a thing? [01:07:45] OTEC is the acronym [01:09:56] http://www.exergy.se/ftp/cng97ot.pdf [01:13:27] underground fire? [01:14:39] centralia? [01:16:57] bleh....I thought my entire sound capability was ruined on this computer, but for YEARS I missed an audio port that I thought wasn't an audio port.... [01:19:09] did you think it was an intermodal freight port? [01:20:05] CISO port (container in sound out) [01:38:01] wow [01:38:15] depot core survived intact, no cheats [01:44:55] i guess i shouldnt be surprised, it has huge thermal mass [01:53:33] well it was my microphone port, and I thought I could not use the thing because it's coupled and would conflict. [01:55:04] my laptop sucks... only one audio port for headphones... sad [01:55:27] well it has mic but its built in... I would love if I could connect my scanner for when I pick up satellites [02:02:09] on the other hand, LOVE my splice job. sounds even better than it did. [03:20:23] beep beep [05:17:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:30:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:24:07] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M89MIJiWljo [06:24:08] YouTube - Model Trains with Working Steam Engines! [06:26:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVFluepenM [06:26:26] YouTube - What's Changed in Astronaut Culture? Offworld episode 7: The Right Stuff [06:43:18] https://twitter.com/quendergeer/status/1001827794035277828?s=19 [06:43:18] fallout Î fallout 2 Î fallout 3 Î fallout new vegas Î fallout 4 Î fallout 76 Î fallout 2000 Î fallout me Î fallout xp Î fallout vista Î fallout 7 [06:47:33] Glass|phone: I welcome Fallout 7 [06:47:51] fallout 8, 10 [06:47:57] xp was best [06:48:01] \o/ [06:48:03] was [06:48:06] Glass|phone: I wish it would just diw [06:48:11] People here STILL USA XP [06:48:16] USE* [06:48:28] yes, military does that too [06:48:33] and many companies [06:49:22] So I guess people still using xp makes you... wanna cry? #toosoon [06:51:17] Fallout NT... on wait that was just fallout 4. [06:51:34] Erm... Fallout Me* [06:51:41] Fallout NT was fallout 3 [06:58:54] I think fallout 4 was the only fallout game i've never bothered completing... and i play fallout shelter every so often. [08:24:37] How do I record messages? [08:24:40] .help [08:25:18] .tell Fluburtur No, that's just Berlin, which should get burned. :P [08:25:21] ;tell Fluburtur No, that's just Berlin, which should get burned. :P [08:25:22] Mat2ch: I'll let Fluburtur know when I see them [08:25:24] Ah [08:25:30] ;help [08:25:30] Mat2ch: Supported commands are: help c rpn 8ball choose wa wolfram tell seen [08:25:40] ;wolfram [08:26:05] sadly kmath doesn't seem to like queries. :| [08:36:20] ;wolfram 2*2 [08:36:21] Gasher[work]: 2×2 = 4 [08:43:35] Ah, wolfram alpha [08:43:49] I totally forgot that this still exists [09:24:55] -NickBot:#KSPOfficial- WARNING: NICKSERV DATABASE CLEANUP NEXT THURSDAY AT NOON UTC! To preserve your account, run the following command any time before then: /msg NickBot PRESERVE 1289AQB [09:27:18] WARNING: NICKSERV DATABASE CLEANUP NEXT THURSDAY AT NOON UTC! To preserve your account, run the following command any time before then: /msg NickBot PRESERVE 1289AQB [09:32:47] uhhh think that was fake [09:33:00] lol [09:33:18] phishing fun [09:42:31] sent lots of passwords to that fake bot [09:43:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:17:18] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:17:18] Ha! So I just had to temporarily unplug my keyboard. I plug it back in, Windows says "Driver not found" and congratulations, I have a PC without a keyboard. What do you do in such a situation? Of course, you open a random word document on your PC, and start copy-paste-stitching a Google search from individual letters in the document :P [10:17:48] But hey, it worked [10:28:43] APlayer: not on screen keyboard? [10:33:10] APlayer: heh did that once. I just used mouse drag text lol [10:33:27] can do that in linux lol [10:37:01] APlayer: no, there is a completely functioning on screen keyboard built in [10:37:37] not fast without a touchscreen, but i used it several times with mouse [10:38:27] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/10762/windows-use-on-screen-keyboard [10:38:43] That's actually good to know [10:38:52] Thank you! [13:58:11] https://i.imgur.com/ZEjGV7V.png [13:58:47] hehe [14:04:23] hmm, cupcake landers [14:04:24] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgMYeIK1vOA [14:04:24] YouTube - Bill & Jeb's Most Excellent Adventure [14:04:37] with some intro animation [14:04:44] kerbal eating a cake [14:08:06] hehe, reklám, félszemmel ránézek: kretén jellegq fogyókúra. ja mondom biztos hülyéknek van az ilyen. de aztán jobban ránézek: ketogén jellegq kannibál fogyókúra. hmm, egész biztos hülyéknek van az ilyen [14:08:21] heh not here [14:11:45] hehe, lot of old models in that video [14:20:49] Althego: ... hum... Google translate has issues with that sentence [14:21:23] no wonder because the advertised product does not make any sense [14:21:59] A dieting product? [14:22:10] apparently ketogenic style cannibalistic diet [14:22:13] what the hell is that [14:22:28] it's.... clearly illegal [14:22:56] but my first reading of it was kretin style diet [14:23:18] with c in english [14:23:44] Ahem [14:23:46] sounds about right... are you sure it's not the onion? [14:24:20] no, it was ad on youtube, upper right corner [14:24:22] Or the Beaverton (a canadian-centric version of the Onion) [14:24:29] and i know the company, i eat their food [14:24:57] APlayer: what was the no allowed word? [14:25:13] There are many words that are not allowed [14:25:24] the list is infinite? :) [14:25:34] Big words [14:25:34] Probably more than one A-word, B-word, C-word, ... you get the hang [14:25:59] No list of word is infinite unless you include neologisms [14:26:11] Which are kind of a grey zone regarding if they are allowed :P [14:27:41] the best ad in the upper right corner on youtube is still the german gothic lolita clothing store [14:28:36] somehow it must have detected that i was sometimes in germany. not logged in, so i am not sure how it connected [14:28:53] but the product was an utter failure for me [14:29:37] finally weekend [14:34:58] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:36:53] https://78.media.tumblr.com/8b4e687bc20823d16109be61a73c56f9/tumblr_p9n2tprFJp1r2qr2so1_540.png [14:37:43] hehe [14:38:12] i guess the question is which knife to use for what [14:38:16] yes [14:38:42] https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0v29xQZSm1rnfzmjo1_540.jpg [14:40:11] "though the Man o War may look like a jellyfish, its definitely not. in fact, its not even a single animal! its actually four separate organisms jammed into a venomous trenchcoat like three best friends trying to sneak into an R rated movie. " [14:40:31] https://ornistheavianfiend.tumblr.com/post/174466637329/satans-balloon-animals [14:40:33] i know that. but interesting way of putting it [14:41:12] "and the tentacle polyp (murders things indiscriminately for the sheer joy of it). " [14:45:24] "The moon landing faked itself" that ahs to be the best thing I real today [14:45:31] hehe [14:46:00] but i liked the kubrick directed it, but he liked realism so much he insisted to film on location [14:46:25] isn't that true? [14:49:22] the fact remains t hat even in the scenes of 2001 which are on the moon, there are a lot things that are factually incorrect or physically impossible [14:51:50] https://78.media.tumblr.com/519e1ad21670213985fa2b57b65ce3a2/tumblr_inline_p9a3xdzEYo1v6q8wn_540.jpg [14:52:47] https://78.media.tumblr.com/80b45d2b5144a5b9514016870b6df639/tumblr_inline_p9kpz76YmO1tdt6qt_540.png [14:53:14] move it, you must move it [14:54:10] Action: UmbralRaptop gives every movie a pass on the gravity, unless they're ~100% CGI. [14:56:46] Fluburtur: oooo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iqqHAWJq_0&pbjreload=10 [14:56:46] YouTube - RC Ground Effect Vehicle - RCTESTFLIGHT - [14:56:58] yes that's planned [14:57:17] oh tyhat reminds me, i have to watch the real steam engines model trains i linked this morning [14:59:32] Fluburtur: you should build the totally scary stealth ground effect vehicle that iran built [14:59:40] super dangerous plane [14:59:43] you need to show me that [14:59:57] Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_KaQ1n-TWE [14:59:58] YouTube - Islamic Iran Launches Bavar-2 ekranoplan (part 2) [15:00:29] ooo they are very nice [15:00:36] "adva [15:00:42] Fluburtur: lmao, they are so full of themselves [15:00:43] "advanced flying boats" [15:00:52] Fluburtur: propeller powered [15:00:54] stealth [15:00:57] my dude it's a ground effect vehicle it's a super old concept [15:01:01] 2+2=lolno [15:02:10] Fluburtur: do you remember the time iran unveiled a 5th gen stealth fighter by showing the media a fiberglass mockup and then said it could fly by showing a photoshopped picture of a model in the air? [15:02:20] no [15:02:24] hehe [15:02:42] i think i remember something. wasnt it a drone? [15:03:07] Althego: the model used for some flight footage was a drone [15:03:11] Fluburtur: heres one pic http://media.techeblog.com/images/iran-stealth-fighter.jpg [15:03:26] well it does look decent [15:03:29] mmm, that yellow sun [15:03:29] hmm no i dont remeber this [15:03:34] a bit copied on murikan designs tho [15:04:16] Fluburtur: experts determined that it was too small for reasonable piloting, not stealth, made of fiberglass and probably not particularly maneuverable [15:04:27] also all iran designs are copied off american designs [15:04:45] get me more pics and I will build one [15:04:59] why would you do that lol [15:05:16] so I can make better planes than iran [15:05:23] hehe [15:05:24] Fluburtur: http://fantastic-plastic.com/Q-313-Display.jpg [15:05:29] then I tell them to pay me to build them planes and then I wo'nt do it [15:05:31] still better love story than twilight [15:05:40] Fluburtur: its called the Qaher 313 [15:05:47] at the moment the most its done is taxi [15:06:01] and that alone took them like... 4 years [15:06:09] those air intakes look a bit small [15:06:33] hehe [15:06:35] it is turkey that makes fairly nice planes [15:06:38] but understandable [15:06:39] Fluburtur: heres the actual product https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/F-313-new-tests-2.jpg [15:06:45] turkey makes planes? [15:06:49] designing building testing a plane can take decades [15:06:51] yeah [15:07:03] Fluburtur: those intakes arent gonna do crap the moment that plane goes high AOA [15:07:10] they are gonna starve that engine [15:07:15] and its gonna be amazing [15:07:17] some turkish dude that was a pilot in france in WWI went back there and he started making planes and created an airline [15:07:35] there was a few of those at the bourget airshow and it was proper stuff [15:07:45] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_Hürku_ [15:08:20] other than the intakes and the plane being a bit small it looks liek a ncie design [15:08:36] however the canards should be slightly over the wings or angled to help in high aoa [15:08:56] i still would like to see something like the boeing bird of prey [15:09:02] because it looks so alien [15:09:29] Althego: come to dayton [15:09:33] that was also small, but mostly a demonstrator, not a real combat design [15:09:34] you can see the actual thing [15:09:39] eh [15:09:41] not that small [15:09:46] bit far away [15:09:50] and you would be too close :) [15:09:55] im tired of your excuses [15:10:05] i find your lack of faith disturbing [15:10:42] Althego: the Bird of Prey isnt too small but its engine is tiny [15:10:56] tho i guess thats mostly cause it wasnt supersonic [15:13:09] Althego: http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/full/z-041.html [15:13:15] needs flash [15:13:17] but meh [15:13:20] hahaha [15:13:29] you can forget about that [15:15:40] Althego: https://media.defense.gov/2009/Jun/24/2000538436/-1/-1/0/090624-F-1234S-001.JPG [15:16:01] maybe it looks smaller because of the lack of wings [15:16:46] because in comparison here it seems ok [15:17:17] thats probably it [15:17:30] cause its not much smaller than a light fighter like the f-16 [15:18:11] Althego: its not very long if you dont include the wings [15:18:14] http://marc.merlins.org/blogimg/thumb1024_3052_Korea-Southeast_Asia.jpg [15:19:38] "The aircraft was reportedly designed with extra stability and so does not need a fly-by-wire" [15:19:38] wat [15:19:55] it is short coupled and has canards, that just doesnt' make sense [15:21:23] Fluburtur: what aircraft [15:21:30] the iran one [15:21:30] the bird of prey [15:21:38] hmm [15:21:44] Fluburtur: listen [15:21:49] it doesnt fly :) [15:21:53] hey, listen! [15:21:58] Fluburtur: literally everything out of iran [15:22:06] anything you hear about any aircraft [15:22:13] its probably bull [15:22:26] but i know that the bird of prey also didnt have fly by wire [15:22:49] Fluburtur: remind me who had the great idea of calling thoses things 'canards'... [15:23:13] idk [15:23:27] lot of strange names for things [15:23:42] Fluburtur: they called a ground effect vehicle that is basically a commercial GEV with a machine gun attached "advanced" [15:24:25] Fluburtur: this is their scary attack helicopter https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Iranian_Revolutionary_Guard_Air_Force_Shahed_285_Sharifi.jpg/600px-Iranian_Revolutionary_Guard_Air_Force_Shahed_285_Sharifi.jpg [15:24:41] haha box [15:24:48] hehe, reminds me of airwolf [15:24:53] Fluburtur: not just a box [15:24:54] is that like a .22 gun in the nose? [15:24:54] you know, both are props :9 [15:25:26] i guess these are still better than north korean tech [15:25:36] Fluburtur: they literally ripped the machinery out of a Bell 206 [15:25:43] well north korea has mig 29, at least those works [15:25:44] and stuck it on their own airframe [15:25:51] and like WWII stuff like IL-10 [15:25:59] lel [15:26:31] north korea's airforce is the most bafflingly diverse air force [15:26:46] they are like me, gather whatever they can [15:27:40] huh [15:27:43] actually [15:28:55] Fluburtur: also I dont remember Il-10 Being on the list [15:28:56] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:29:03] but their only bomber is the Il-28 [15:29:12] idk exactly but it was similar stuff [15:29:37] Fluburtur: lol omg [15:29:58] Fluburtur: they use Yak-18s as some of their attack planes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-18 [15:30:04] damn [15:30:40] also they use An-2s for transport but i cant fault them there, its a good STOL with decent capacity [15:31:15] funny that those are still viable airplanes [15:31:31] Fluburtur: my museum has an actual North Korean MiG-15 [15:31:44] your? :) [15:31:46] that defected to south korea in 1953 [15:31:50] Althego: yes my [15:32:04] the ultimate fanboy [15:32:09] Althego: i basically have squatters rights now [15:33:30] Fluburtur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Kum-sok [15:33:36] his plane [15:38:12] well he got rather lucky [15:38:29] how are pilots supposed to let opposing forces that they are friendly? [15:38:44] like open the radio and say "don't shoot me down I give you plane"? [15:38:46] radio? [15:39:03] yeah the talking device [15:39:04] in some cases they cant radio because of incompatible frequencies [15:39:08] that uses magic [15:39:19] but normally they can talk [15:39:19] or the IFF thing [15:39:24] haha, that is nothing [15:39:34] i mean there is no universal i am friendly [15:39:43] you could set emergency maybe [15:39:46] or use smokes or whatver but combat aircrafts don't have those [15:40:03] maybe make yourself very visible on purpose [15:40:19] like "this idiot is an idiot let's not shoot him down" [15:40:32] probably wouldnt really work [15:40:47] unless you are with a plane that can outrun missiles [15:40:49] well you usually want to avoid being seen [15:41:07] if you make it very obvious you aren't a danger it could work I guess [15:41:54] I want to know so I can steal a rafale and bring it to the uk so they can stop using the eurofighter [15:42:01] they probably don't even use it but you know [15:42:26] why would they want an inferior plane [15:42:56] theu eurofighter is crap [15:42:58] and ugly [15:43:36] hehe [15:43:44] sure [15:43:50] but the rafael is worse [15:44:01] i can tell you that we called the ef simulator eurofailure, it was so bad [15:44:06] oh my got there is a group of 6 zeros above me [15:44:09] and still contained fortran code :) [15:46:16] but anyway, today thanks to standardization and civilian regulation, you could just radio on the emergency frequency that you are defecting in the aircraft [15:49:25] yeah I guess [15:49:34] but then they would need to tell the army about that [15:49:49] and trigger happy peoples like the murika would probably ignore that [15:51:16] Fluburtur: hardly [15:51:36] I know you would love a kill on the rafale [15:51:51] yes [15:52:10] but we also know enough about the rafael that we wouldnt need to get one [15:52:54] and we know enough about the f-35, that nobody needs one :) [15:52:59] heh [15:53:04] bwoop transit [15:53:08] bwoop [15:53:20]