[00:00:26] Ohh, well, my rocket (the last stage of it) has just 8100 m/s dv, so I guess it wouldn't make it 'everywhere'. It was interesting to build, though. [00:19:45] Rover is working on a planet pack? interesting. [00:32:10] ve2dmn done anything with kos today? [01:12:32] docking inside a cargo bay with the door closed because I can't turn SAS on without a RCS feedback loop on the main vessel [01:12:45] AND I had to take the RCS thruster blocks off to fit it into the cargo bay [01:16:29] Hello. [01:17:41] hi [01:17:53] Heil Mod9000 [01:18:15] How are you? [01:18:19] I'm male. [01:18:46] Alright. How are you? [01:18:57] I'm expired. [01:19:15] As in, exhausted, or otherwise? [01:19:23] Beyond my best before date. [01:19:46] Sorry to hear... [01:20:24] I'm rich. [01:21:14] I'm a bit tired at the moment. Many things will most likely go over my head. [01:21:26] I have 14 MVF. [01:21:55] I do not understand, but okay. [01:22:05] 14 million virtual funds. [01:22:28] Should I congratulate you? [01:22:33] sure [01:22:34] why not [01:22:47] Have you achieved orbit? [01:23:30] Is this an RP group? [01:23:58] If so, I am out of place with the added bonus of lacking any knowledge. [01:23:58] Well, it's a bit of role play if I say I'm a millionaire in KSP money. [01:24:29] Have you played Kerbal Space Program? [01:24:48] Funny thing, that. [01:24:54] Never heard of it. [01:25:03] Whoa, RP KSP. [01:25:09] Check it out. There's a free demo on steam. [01:25:11] That's ... hard to imagine. [01:25:38] I don't play games online... [01:25:46] It's an offline game. [01:27:10] I don't know what's going on here [01:27:25] We do not allow RP in this channel [01:27:32] Looks like someone is putting on their robe and wizard hat. [01:27:37] Or on the forum for that matter [01:28:07] putting on my robe and wizard hat would mean I'm not *always* wearing my robe and wizard hat [01:28:18] TheKosmonaut: So I'm not allowed to play Jeb here? [01:30:11] Well... I've still never heard of it. [01:30:55] Err, anyway. Is there a good place for a conversation? [01:32:16] Dunno. I've only been to this channel on espernet. I'm mostly on freenode. [01:32:33] Shoot... Thanks! [01:33:03] I'm limited in channel options. [01:36:45] yay re-entered without flat spinning [01:38:14] Lili-Anna: this channel is supposed to be focused on KSP (Kerbal Space Program) but it's also very off topic about 2/3 of the time [01:41:30] Thank you for that, TheKosmonaut. [01:41:51] I just...need a conversation. [01:42:15] awkward landing, lost rear "land assist gear", but rest of plane is intact, and gear landed on runway so I'll still get the recovery value for it :D [01:42:20] You're welcome here of course. Just watch for the various traps. [01:42:57] What kind of traps? [01:43:00] madmerlyn: it was an impromptu structural integrity test! Congratulations, you passed. [01:43:05] haha [01:43:24] Lili-Anna: trap doors, crocodile moats. The usual [01:43:32] it's my latest mk3 SSTO, just completed the second mission to tear down parts of my asteroid station [01:43:41] Also, thank you. (I might become a broken record with those two words. [01:43:50] part count was up in the laggy territory and the science lab dried up [01:44:03] so I'm stripping it down to be a purely fuel depot [01:44:07] Sounds fun! [01:44:07] And be extra careful around Rokker. He's very defensive when it comes to MiGs. He loves Russian airplanes [01:44:25] Rokker... Okay! [01:45:06] Do I have a misunderstanding of what role-play is? [01:45:16] TheKosmonaut stripped down HKO asteroid station, getting ready to start my Deep Space mission in station that's been orbiting Minmus empty for about a year [01:45:38] TheKosmonaut: screw you [01:45:46] ayyy it's Rokker [01:45:57] [01:45:59] Lili-Anna: oh. Well in this channel. There have been people in the past that join, roleplaying a character from the game. [01:46:10] madmerlyn: where [01:46:12] It gets very tiresome [01:46:30] Mar A Lago maybe? [01:46:46] Well, luckily, I lack any and every knowledge of this game. [01:46:56] what a strange place to end up then [01:47:07] Lili-Anna: do you play games at all? [01:47:07] it's a game about orbital mechanics [01:47:22] Pandemic is a popular one. [01:47:35] madmerlyn: and then some [01:47:41] (Pandemic legacy, that is.) [01:47:55] I still have no idea how to approach writing a spaceplane landing script for kOS [01:48:16] Err, yes. Yes, I play board games and a couple card games. [01:48:23] programmatically orbiting is easy, landing.. that's.. a lot harder hehe [01:48:48] I will wish you luck, Madmerlyn. [01:49:22] I can land the planes manually Lili :) I'm just being a nerd and trying to write autopilots from scratch using a mod [01:49:30] Is pandemic like plague Inc? [01:49:40] I assume so. [01:50:11] I was just excited to get my last re-entry accurate without flat spinning [01:50:33] first step in solving landing programmatically is figuring out how to do it consistently manually :P [01:52:50] Ah! I forgot to ask. Would you explain MiGs? [01:53:35] Twin engine jet fighter, surgery... [01:53:51] surgery? [01:54:09] yes, it's a former Soviet, current Russian fighter jet [01:54:24] Minimally Invasive Glaucoma Surgery [01:54:37] or family of jets actually [01:54:47] Sounds cool! [01:56:04] boo, got a rescue kerbal+ship contract and it's too big to fit into my mk3 cargobay, guess I'll have to oldschool it and tug it back in with a heatshield [01:56:34] So, be wary of the crocodile moats,MiGs, and trap doors. [01:57:01] TheKosmonaut did you see my latest spaceplane earlier? [01:57:49] I got OPT for wings and Mk4 for parts, so retired my pure stock cargo plane [01:58:45] Say, since you all seem to be into games, any suggestions? [01:59:05] KSP will teach you a lot about space :D [01:59:29] in a slightly less intimidating format than real space exploration [01:59:59] Thanks, Madmerlyn! ^^ [02:00:20] my latest plane: https://i.imgur.com/CIAUwv8.png [02:01:16] can take orange tank to low orbit, or 18t to high orbit, with plenty of fuel left for deorbit and flight maneuvers, I've had to do some high thrust hops to get over the mountains on several loss of control authority incidents [02:01:56] Looks good! My understanding is, that's an upgrade. [02:03:05] What about you, TheKosmonaut? [02:03:22] actually think after losing gear on last flight I'll take the landing assist gear off, I haven't had issues with tailstrikes on this model [02:04:34] If it's okay, I'll nod and smile. [02:05:10] hey is this a record 60000 petameters [02:05:19] (For the lack of understanding that I seem to have an abundance of.) [02:05:48] basically, the game doesn't have stuff like multiposition landing gear, so I put special gear that I only use during landing and not during takeoff towards the back of the plane [02:06:01] so when I land the tail doesn't hit the ground and break [02:06:27] but this particular plane doesn't have that problem, my previous plane had it frequently because the take-off gear was so far up the chassis [02:08:40] I'm glad to hear it. [02:09:52] Fukboi A boy that thinks he can get in any girls pants. Chances are he comments heart eyes on girls Instagram in hopes of getting her to like him. You can often find them lurking in the girls bathroom at star bucks to swoop in and fuck yo bitch. White Girl 1: Oh my gawd Karen!!!! GAVIN JUST COMMENTED ON MY SELFIE!!! *squeals* White Girl 2: "Ew what the actual fuck Jessica. Why would you be excited over Gavin?!? He is a total man whore. He is the biggest [02:10:13] um what? [02:10:35] Connor: no [02:10:40] None of that [02:10:45] def of fuckboi [02:10:56] Read the channel rules [02:11:02] No language [02:11:05] Fuck you [02:11:14] Fuck the rules [02:11:18] Connor kicked from #kspofficial by TheKosmonaut: Connor [02:11:37] I think discord has spilt over into IRC [02:11:37] [02:11:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+b *!*@75.130.20.66' by TheKosmonaut!sid152460@ealing.irccloud.com [02:11:49] Action: Azander sighs [02:12:08] Wish this was over on the irc network I run, it would be a network ban instead of just a channel one :/ [02:12:12] Connor kicked from #kspofficial by TheKosmonaut: Connor [02:12:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+b Connor!*@*' by TheKosmonaut!sid152460@ealing.irccloud.com [02:13:46] Well, at least I now know the language here won't be bad. [02:14:26] Can I just have lunch in peace [02:15:30] ...Who was that directed towards? [02:15:49] the banned idiot I suspect [02:16:19] Okay. [02:16:30] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:16:55] (I ask because it seemed a direct response to my own comment.) [02:20:42] Did I tell you guys I'm doing a Duna mission using the Lockheed Martin proposal as my guideline? [02:22:00] here's the lander I made for it https://i.imgur.com/EafdIH1.png [02:23:11] cool [02:23:25] Cool# [02:23:31] *Cool! [02:25:06] madmerlyn: Nice [02:25:32] neato [02:25:52] obviously couldn't put an external elevator on it so it has ladders [02:26:18] and couldn't find a nice drop down ramp so the bottom is a Karibou attached to a node and rotated [02:26:47] my base camp isn't going to look a whole lot like the Lockheed design though, mostly because of all the stuff I'm bringing along for USI-LS etc. [02:27:30] and instead of using base camp as the interplanetary transit, I'm going to set it up as a permanent station and use my Orion analog (which definitely doesn't look like an orion) to do the transfer [02:28:46] LM design calls for sending the science module ahead and then the crew comes with the rest of the base camp, I'm just going to send the entire base camp ahead instead of science module, and have the crew come in on a vessel with enough hab to get them there within safety margins [02:29:50] initial mission will include a powerplant and a few survey probes, so I can scout out resources before the kerbals show up [02:42:06] Disconnected. Back! [02:42:06] Azander: i think we have some ircops here [02:42:29] at least one, can't remember who [02:43:29] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:44:51] Ircops? [02:46:11] internet relay chat operators [02:46:31] the people here who have @ here before their name are channel operators [02:46:40] ircops are network operators [02:48:31] Interesting... [02:48:48] Action: Azander is an ircop on 2 different network, just not this one :/ [02:49:04] Lili-Anna: they're the ones who can kick, ban and stuff like that [02:49:34] ´/whois Lili-Anna [02:49:38] ops [02:51:20] I'm no one. [02:51:39] Not here. Anyway. [02:51:56] *Not here, anyway. A bit new. [03:09:59] ... [03:10:33] Hello! [03:14:40] Rokker [03:16:17] How are you? [03:16:24] https://youtu.be/gXfnrEguhxA [03:16:24] YouTube - Darude - Sandstorm (Potato Cover) [03:16:26] the green space people, and non-green [probably non-green] internet people welcome you, Lili-Anna [03:17:03] Well, thank you! I appreciate that, Kuzetsa. [03:17:32] :( :( :( [03:17:54] I can never tell if it's someone's autocorrect / tab completion trying to be considerate, or someone manually capitalizing kuzetsa [03:19:01] Apologies, kuzetsa. I normally capitalize names. [03:19:18] like - it's either someone's software assuming people don't make the right capitalization decision on their own nicks (which means the software designer made the assumption, auto-tab or otherwise), or the person manually typing it does the same [03:19:39] RoKkeR [03:19:47] ellen (ellen degeneres) isn't capitalized [03:19:51] intentionally [03:20:27] I never ran into a problem with someone's name being wrong. Once again, apologies. [03:24:17] Do you accept my apologies, kuzetsa? [03:26:41] Action: madmerlyn blinks. [03:27:40] (Im tired. Please don't judge me based off this single day. Thank you.) [03:28:37] hmm? oh I was AFK [03:28:44] ok [03:28:55] ((Rephrase. Please don't form opinions of me based off of today.) [03:29:09] Alright. ^^ [03:29:19] was more stating a personally relevant peve than casting judgement on your personality [03:29:48] Thank you for clearing that up. [03:29:51] the premise / logic for a particular grammar thing annoys me [03:30:14] I'd rather not judge a book by it's cover though [03:30:24] 'cause that's a fallacy too [03:30:24] heh [03:30:33] *its [03:30:34] in English proper pronouns, of which nicknames count, are always capitalized. Seems a rather odd peeve to get bent out of shape over [03:30:46] Also, Ellen is capitalized, she just uses a lowercase e in her branding. [03:30:48] madmerlyn: your nick isn't capitalized :P [03:30:57] I also don't care if someone caps my name [03:31:36] yep - it's yours [03:31:38] my name is more or less all lowercase because I was too lazy to bother capping both Ms [03:33:13] anyway - my shape is unbent. my original wording was about people trying to be gramatically proper but really they're just presuming the other party considers a change in capitaliziation is desirable [03:33:30] because it's percieved as the considerate thing to do [03:33:57] It is, by general population. [03:33:58] I don't see the logic in it [03:34:23] my solution is to capitalize absolutely nothing except the singular "I" [03:34:31] the logic is proper nouns are capitalized and people are used to it [03:34:40] prescriptivism [03:35:07] there's not much logic in removing all critical thinking and analysis and falling back on prescriptivism "because it's the right way" [03:35:33] critical thinking? It's grammar, something that is heavily into conforming to rules [03:35:51] sure, if authoritarian rules are a thing you enjoy [03:35:56] You shouldn't really get upset over it. It's considerate by general standard. [03:36:03] also non-native speakers have a hard enough time with English's tendacy to break the rules [03:36:24] I agree with Madmerlyn, there. [03:36:37] to each their own [03:36:55] authoritarian rules? lol we're talking about capitalization not the First Amendment [03:37:02] the messaging is that pre-defined rules matter more than personal preferences [03:37:18] you're making a mountain out of an ant hill [03:37:20] ..........I guess?? [03:37:30] ::shrug:: [03:37:38] there's not zero logic in my viewpoint [03:37:48] I know that perscriptivism exists [03:37:57] kuzetsa, I believe you've stated your point. [03:38:04] it's not perscriptivism, no one told you you should capitalize your nick [03:38:22] The majority of the people in this conversation disagree. [03:38:42] (To kuzeysa. Not Madmerlyn.) [03:38:43] I get that [03:39:00] yeah that just felt like it was out of spite though [03:39:00] Hey [03:39:03] This conversation [03:39:04] It's over [03:39:25] Y'all getting bent outta shape over a small case K [03:39:25] WE SHOULD ALL TALK LIKE TELEGRAPH MESSAGES STOP [03:39:52] tawny but I don't know cherokee [03:40:06] THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING STOP [03:42:35] Georgia beat OK, if Bama beats Clemson we'll have an All SEC championship next week [03:42:37] madmerlyn: I don't think many people do - my grandmother grew up during the period where there was a push for cultural assimilation and making sure all the native persons spoke english. I'm not even sure there's a keyboard layout for the written form even though the unicode consortium added the letters for writing out the sequoyah syllabary in the past decade or whenever :/ [03:43:42] re: cherokee [03:43:55] it was a joke in reference to codebreakers.. [03:44:04] ah :/ [03:44:12] yeah that was a thing too [03:44:14] meh [03:44:25] .....*kuzetsa. (Rather than kuzeysa. Sorry for that typo!) [03:45:06] Cherokee https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FTQHhTeY/1514864677.JPG [03:45:08] I just noticed that. (And I often correct typos.) [03:45:41] heh that client shows the gecos field thinger which gets pulled in by a lot of IRC clients. okay. [03:46:19] well assuming a posix-flavored OS [03:46:53] Best keyboard is still T9 [03:47:03] ANIHORTES > T9 [03:47:04] :3 [03:47:16] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IlbDXg87/1514864831.JPG [03:51:41] huh I just realized anihortes and dvorak prioritize most of the same letters for the same reasons [03:53:27] Action: TheKosmonaut checks for a Dvorak layout [03:57:17] I haven't used a dvorak keyboard before [03:57:40] Action: darsie uses the Dvorak layout on a German keyboard. [03:58:03] I'm going to clock out. [03:58:25] G'night, everybody! [03:58:40] @ TheKosmonaut Japan is insane https://i.imgur.com/gKb2zIu.mp4 [04:01:02] Iskierka: is there a source for that clip? Looks pretty cool [04:01:33] someone took Tamiya mini 4wd to the extreme, far as I can identify. Not found the actual source clip [04:02:23] https://youtu.be/PbAfbCVizdo?t=32 different clip trying the same thing (and try open it in a way to keep the timestamp, intro music is bleh) [04:02:23] YouTube - tamiya mini 4wd super highspeed [04:03:33] wouldn't be surprised if the original clip uses too much kanji for me to know what to search [04:35:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:32:30] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:32:30] mechjeb. cheating or nah [07:43:26] up to you [07:47:43] Apollo Guidance computer: Cheating or nah? [07:51:02] .. what about the AGC? [07:54:50] cheating or nah? [08:02:07] mean.. in real life or in game? [08:03:43] I don't think its cheaty... then again, I know a lot about it myself [08:17:54] I can't really say it's cheaty when IRL people used it in the 60's [08:18:17] That's kind of not cheating unless you think they should have gone to the moon raw dogging it with no maneuver planner. [08:18:39] The navball is cheating. DV readouts are cheating. Doing math to figure out your TWR is cheating. [08:21:03] those days, people didn't exactly read things out in DV [08:21:27] what I think is most cheaty is how much fine control ksp engines are allowed to have [08:22:28] the LEM has the most control of its descent engine. Even that was limited. It was capable of 1g thrust down to something like 10%, in incriments. [08:22:58] I find myself never really caring about that part, honestly [08:23:17] the times at which my engines aren't either at full throttle or off are very few [08:26:39] i think reaction wheels are cheating.. [08:27:34] the AGC was more for guidance and instrumentation.. also helped run some of the optical tools onboard. A lot of the figuring out was done on the ground by bigger mainframes [08:27:40] it even looks cooler using rcs to control attitude, and makes you attempt to be more efficient at it. [08:29:12] reaction wheels do seem a touch.. over powered. there are systems that actually use RW.. the biggest being the ISS.. smallest being MOST, which I was just reading up on. It was a small suitcase sized telescope built by Canadians [08:36:21] it must be a huge mechanism on the iss [08:37:47] a pair of units on the truss section.. I think each has 4 gyros each [08:42:23] the ISS's gyros are enormous also [08:42:42] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/ISS_gyroscope.jpg four of these in a block [08:44:54] although, that'd probably be about the size of a 1.25m or 2.5m reaction wheel part in KSP, I guess [08:47:51] https://cdn.neow.in/forum/uploads/monthly_2015_08/main-qimg-791efbf0680db12a16fb5f9892fb4c65.thumb.png.eb56e6dbcf0523486fd8c280dfbc04b9.png [09:02:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:59:43] hhhhhrrrg... [11:00:26] launching at the right time to do a direct rendezvous with an already orbiting part... [11:00:34] lol.. sometimes feels like hit or mis [12:04:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o technicalfool' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:58:52] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:58:52] Hi all and happy new years! [15:01:14] Merry Christmas! [15:01:44] Jolly Waiting For The Friggint Summer Already! [15:03:04] hi [15:03:10] hello [16:17:04] good morning fellow rocketeers. [16:20:01] hi [16:20:10] heh [16:20:18] hehe [16:20:26] Mod9000 always there to make you feel not alone in the universe, unlike all the aliens who are clearly avoiding us [16:21:00] maybe they are just not in our light cone [16:21:24] that's what I never understood about the Prime Directive in Star Trek, if a civilization hasn't achieved warp yet, but has already advanced to basic space travel, why make them feel like they're alone? [16:21:44] because it would change their progression [16:21:53] but they're already exploring space [16:22:02] too disruptive [16:22:03] there was an episode about it [16:22:15] where the population, including politicians were xenophobic [16:22:29] and they noticed the observers [16:23:06] well any alpha species is going to have warlike past etc., but I don't think discovering warp technology in itself is a good metric to establish that they are beyond their primal instincts as a society [16:23:09] look at the Klingons [16:23:23] klingons are relatively ok [16:23:41] isn't their entire social structure built around war? [16:23:47] but also around honor [16:24:16] compare it to the dominion [16:24:47] honour* [16:26:13] I just don't think a civilization's ideology is going to be fundamentally changed by the discovery of warp, Prime Directive should include making peaceful contact with any space-faring civilization, and actively preventing espionage from any that are overtly aggressive or xenophobic [16:26:50] I mean look at us here on Earth, call me a dreamer but I think if intelligent life confirmed its existence to us we'd see a drastic change for the better in world-views amongst most populations [16:27:03] to the point where we might actually all come together as a species like the humans in Star Trek did [16:27:24] just avoid the borg invasion first :) [16:28:43] in Star Trek lore wasn't there still international war on Earth when warp was discovered too? Wasn't it the arrival of the Vulcans that radically changed humanity's perspective? [16:28:58] they were after a nuclear war [16:29:14] Cochrane was a hippie [16:29:17] yes [16:29:42] launch to magic carpet ride lol [16:30:12] Tom Cochrane is a hippie? [16:30:23] zefram [16:39:21] Zefrank is a hippie? [16:40:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIpXYU-9CBM [16:40:15] YouTube - Star Trek Zefram Cochrane Warp Flight [16:40:38] note that trajectory, velocity, and distance is completely off [16:47:26] Q: What's the best way to get into Star Trek as a whole? [16:48:22] not with abrams [16:55:45] never seen that movie [16:57:09] Althego: they had to buy the rights for that song... [16:57:21] ...or did it last only 8 seconds in the movie? [17:00:28] GuestBanana: You dont need to watch it chronologically really [17:00:33] I mean, not by series anyway [17:00:43] But I'd honestly go for TNG first [17:01:37] TheKosmonaut: the reason I didn't get into star trek as a kid is that the stories required that your knew a bit of the background first [17:01:55] You dont really need much TOS knowledge to get into TNG [17:02:19] I know in insight it's irrelevant, but I was trying to remember who what species was and got real confused real fast [17:03:26] I think TOS was kinda like the SW OT, I mean yeah it's there and it's canon, but things didn't really get fleshed out until people started writing novels and subsequent series/movies came out [17:03:27] ve2dmn: yes, that was the whole lenght [17:03:51] some of TOS stuff is really really dated and not in-line with ST as a whole [17:04:40] and when people mention TOS I always think of that scene where the extra was turning an imaginary gear on the wall [17:04:54] tos has its charm, but honestly i find kirk annoying and it is really dated [17:05:41] if anything TNG really fleshed the universe out [17:05:44] imaginary gear? [17:05:55] what is that [17:05:56] so much so that they had spinoff mania with Voyager and DS9 [17:06:47] very few pixels, but here https://i.imgur.com/6iP0E9U.gif [17:06:48] https://i.imgur.com/6iP0E9U.gifv [17:08:14] I mean there is technically a crank in his hand, but what is it attached to, and why would there be a crank on a *highly advanced starship* in a hallway? [17:08:22] lol [17:08:49] gotta realize.. back when TOS was being made, it was sort of a different world back then on earth too [17:09:15] yes [17:09:18] very much [17:09:28] very yes [17:09:42] and it was about that too. that is why it has an international crew [17:09:50] "oi Captain, the clockwork that drives the automatic door to this crewman's cabin needs to be wound back up, lemme crank it" [17:10:12] maybe that let us closer to that world a bit. after all there is an iss [17:10:27] Let's hope so [17:10:35] do you think they have cranks on the ISS? :P [17:10:41] yes [17:10:43] madmerlyn: yes [17:10:51] maybe some special zero torque ones [17:10:53] There was also a number of struggles with production just with the idea of what the series was about [17:11:13] the thing that opens and closes the windows shutters [17:11:30] "this is the ISS dynamo, we crank it to power our laptops so we don't have to plug them in." [17:11:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4 [17:11:44] YouTube - 7 HOLES in the Space Station - Smarter Every Day 135 [17:11:46] actually.. there is a little crank for the shutters on the ISS coupula dome [17:12:26] that's a logical place for a crank though [17:12:46] it's not on an interior hallway randomly attached to nothing on the wall [17:12:54] i think i saw this video [17:12:59] the 7 holes [17:13:04] maybe he was cranking on a flow tube for some fluid or gas line [17:13:35] gas on an antimatter powered starship? [17:13:43] certainly [17:13:46] mind you.. a bare wall, then suddenly some 'greeble' in one spot... then you look at TNG's hallways.. [17:13:50] madmerlyn: water [17:14:01] gas.. coulda been O2 [17:14:19] gor example [17:14:31] still can be lot of pneumatic mechanisms [17:14:39] madmerlyn: but yeah, it looks very silly [17:15:12] idea in acting was to make the ship look like it was active.. lived in [17:15:21] it's a bad filming but visual medium should be self-explanitory [17:15:36] -but +because [17:16:10] it would have probably looked pretty boring, weird if there was no one there at all... [17:16:47] or.. I don't know, maybe they were trying things out. Could have had people just walking by too.. [17:16:54] JCB: it makes it looks like a 1800s ship, not far future [17:17:18] If you look at the modern equivalent, it's people looking at screens [17:17:20] heh.. blame it on low budget? [17:18:16] that will probably look weird to someone in the future [17:18:42] as usual [17:18:46]