[00:05:01] hey y'all i'm having a weird issue with the new robotics hinges. Everything is set up correctly and the routine I gave the controller works in the SPH, but if I attatch anything to the hinge it won't budge in flight [00:05:47] It's got a hydraulic arm on it which works perfectly in flight but when the arm is mounted on the hinge it won't budge even if I try to change the target angle manually [00:05:56] what should I be doing differently? [04:15:21] https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-starlink-satellite-internet-how-it-works-2019-5 [04:15:23] interesting [05:56:16] eeeeee [06:17:27] lol [06:20:10] guess guy wanted to see reactions so returned [09:03:46] "guess guy" reminds me of a thing i watched about 5 years ago [10:53:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC6boQ0L1CQ [10:53:05] YouTube - 3 Parts to Duna, Ike AND Minmus! | Stock KSP 1.7 [11:14:14] high g contracts are just dumb [11:14:51] do you reach goals still on ground? [11:14:57] if not, I dare you [11:17:39] which high g? [11:17:47] the issue is, the game takes only linear acceleration of the craft into account, rotational forces are not working [11:17:48] if its that stupid sub orbital high g one... ugh [11:18:05] and if i want such high gs, it is simply not worth it [11:18:12] like 7k for one tourist [11:18:26] althego: ya... I stuck a g sensor on one end of a rotating beam. It only accounts for how much shift on teh center of gravity. [11:18:34] but.. if it was disconnected, it'll read [11:19:18] I don't mind the regular flight ones... its the 'into space high g' like the sub orbital.. [11:21:51] another 'dumb contract'? Test landing wheels on suborbital flight... eh... [11:22:08] er... no wait... [11:22:21] on escape trajectory.. [11:22:44] hehe the aero flip over saved it [11:23:10] put a mainsail on a small tank, and as it flipped over that gave the final kick [11:23:21] lol [11:23:28] I usually just went with planes big wings [11:23:47] or my cheetah.. sorta looks like kerbalized learjet [11:24:16] Althego: 7k g? [11:24:28] 7k funds for success [11:24:32] do they scrape tourist kerbial [11:24:33] ahh [11:24:35] g is whatever the kerbal limit is [11:25:08] you said high g, then 7k for one lol [11:25:14] made me think 7k g [11:25:38] at least i finally activated the mainsail. i am going to need it soon [11:26:10] guessing you used a probe core for that high g? [11:26:14] :) [11:26:24] does g have timer? [11:26:28] say must be 5 minutes [11:26:32] not a challenge if you also gotta make sure you don't also knock out jeb [11:26:56] oh just realized something... [11:27:05] if not, just have tons of huge engines and tiny fuel tank [11:27:18] it would reach very higfh g for short time and run out of fuek [11:27:28] ever tried a small structural part with landing struts. tune down spring and dampeners to 0.. launch. watch it compress and spring into the air? [11:27:41] think a few tests I did pulled something like 50gs right off the ground [11:27:49] mind you... a bit cheaty [11:28:18] lol fun [11:29:27] the high g indicator has a bar, and it starts to fill up when high g condition is met [11:29:35] kerbal passes out when the bar is at max [11:29:42] cant control the craft then [11:29:59] also dosen't happen instantly.. takes a certain 'saturation' of high g [11:30:00] i normally use probe cores for everyhing. less mass [11:30:31] thigh the highest I pulled was 106g... [11:31:18] hehe spring launched [11:31:47] lol.. sound like you've tried the little 'cheaty' thing? [11:32:00] im not sure of how much g i ever pulled, but I am pretty sure my old plane snowflake pulled huge gs [11:32:07] of course its uber cheaty [11:32:28] er well the spring thing wasn't 106g... that was in robotic plane or something [11:34:40] 4 telescopic arms extending at once only gave about 2+g [11:35:57] ya... not sure if you put everything rigid connection, autostrut it all, how much Gs those connections could sustain.. I know its not a lot without, it'll elastic a bit before blowing up [11:40:50] eh 50 engines tiny tank ;) [11:41:14] have lwn chair on top [11:41:18] lawn [11:41:39] ah but which engines? [11:41:39] have disconnectable pilot pod by it. get tourist out of it and walk to lawn chair [11:41:46] pilot chills while big engines launch [11:42:12] 50 engines it almost dont matter as long as its good on lower atomsphere [11:42:32] oh.. it matters. we talk'n sparks or mainsails? [11:43:01] dunno what those mean lol [11:43:45] spark tiny engine.. mainsail is one of the really big ones. Though not biggest [11:44:31] ahh lol [11:44:39] I made rocket using only tiny ones [11:44:58] flew up for while then it exploded,body only [11:45:15] left tiny engines in cylinder shaped pattern and pilot cockpot on top [11:45:24] it fell apart afterwards lol [11:45:31] ah [11:45:35] it was bit slow, I used like 50 or more [11:48:20] think it was overheating lol [11:48:27] so many engines firing too close to body [11:53:29] challenge: space by ant engines only [11:53:55] bonus challenge: only ONE ant engine. [11:54:36] eh... hope ya got a good slingshot [12:11:09] my runway http://www.warpology.com/k/science.mp4 [12:11:46] many ant engines MIGHT get it to space [12:11:51] one? can it even roll? [12:12:06] lol Althego [12:12:23] cant launch on the runway because of the part limit [12:13:16] i used to go over to the runway, but i realized it is not needed [12:14:15] lol little bit risky [12:14:21] lets call it sucuide runway [12:14:21] not really [12:14:58] going to the runway requires going down a slope, turning right, going down an other slope, turning right or left, and taking off [12:15:06] this requires only going down a slope and taking off [12:15:09] lot safer [12:15:20] each slope is a hazard [12:15:25] can cause tipping oer [12:15:28] destruction of parts [12:15:39] same for each turn [12:16:52] why did the Kerbals drag it out to the launchpad, anyway? [12:17:49] ah, I didn't read the part about part limits [12:17:50] :) [12:18:30] so essentially the airplane buildings are useless in career, just a waste of money [12:19:56] i tried to take away some parts of this many times, but it always turned out to be lot worse plane [12:20:33] for example the center engine is used as a brake too, very important for landings in random places [12:21:19] upgrade plane building, you can also get science from some of the substructures around it. [12:21:44] 30 parts limit can be a bit of a pain for some things [12:22:08] yes i know, but i dont need the plane building [12:22:14] and the smallest upgrade is 300k [12:22:32] drive it over to the runway from launch? [12:22:44] that is what i said, that is risky and pointless [12:22:57] I guess.. if you don't mind building vertically in VAB, among some other quirks [12:23:21] i still need around 2.5 million to upgrade the science building (3.3 million), and i need that for the gravioli detector [12:23:35] i casn build in the sph [12:23:38] also.. I found after first upgrade, rovers with small wheels get stuck on launch pad because of stupid lip around on top of it [12:23:40] just cant launch it from there [12:24:25] in thesecond version of the launchpad there is a ditch in the ramp, and you can get your wheel in that, really annoying [12:24:34] but not in its "final form" tm [12:24:36] ugh.. the pain we had with level0 runway being bump during some versions in the past? [12:24:44] hehe i remember [12:24:53] the grass was safer to land [12:24:53] better to just go out into the field and launch there [12:24:57] but currently the runway is ok [12:25:14] then the level 0 landing wheels blowing up even at the slightest touch of landing... >_< [12:25:44] but anyways... [12:26:29] and i still demand 1.25 m fuel only tanks in all sizes [12:26:40] hehe yes those are really bad [12:26:44] Althego: lol so prep is more dangerous on sucuide runway than runway itself [12:27:17] they better now at least... though still gotta watch that nose wheel spring. older versions, would compress too hard, shoot the nose back up suddenly [12:27:46] wheels generate infinite jumping of the plane [12:27:49] even for this too [12:27:52] I wouldn't mind a half sized 1.25 fuel only tank.. [12:28:02] but smaller planes, like science plane 1 are constantly jumping [12:28:19] infinite jumping = infinite free electricity [12:28:28] why dont space base have tons of jumping planes? [12:28:30] if there was a pizeo part in the game [12:28:31] but ya.. fuel switcher mod sorta helps with picking which fuel in tanks [12:28:51] yes either that or fuels should be switchable [12:29:10] I'd also like something the same diameter of the oscar tank but longer.. [12:29:25] this tanklessness is a problem for the nuclear engine [12:29:26] would make for neat little booster rockets and some other things [12:29:43] yes that too [12:30:33] `man. sometimes I wish reality is that broken [12:30:39] but only sometimes. [12:30:58] maybe it is, we just never notice because it was always so [12:31:25] if this is programmed universe, code is far more tight than in ksp. [12:31:50] the simulation can stop between ticks and we would never notic [12:32:36] i remember one really funny story [12:32:44] guy was making germs sim program [12:33:06] thing is every time he ran it, at random times, but always happens, some germ suddenly takes over entire map [12:33:15] and never loses. [12:33:27] ugh.. ok I missed something? [12:33:43] turns out that he made a programming mistake, one germ found a way to exploit program bug to have infinite energy [12:34:04] by going -2 energy when its at level 1 into level -1 [12:34:05] map.. germ.. uh? [12:34:25] hehe [12:34:29] not a lot, was talking about how universe works in ksp compared to reality [12:34:39] then i started talking about programming example [12:34:43] oh... [12:35:12] in ny case if there is programmer for this universe [12:35:14] come back and wonder were things suddenly turned into [12:35:24] it can pause it anytime and backtrack before exploit and fix bug [12:35:57] so we might have found few times way to have infinite energy or faster than light anything but it got fixed [12:37:06] I sorta thinking, if you tried to go back in time to fix something, you basically making another reality [12:37:26] depends on what way your time travel works [12:37:31] if something has already happened, its happened, can't be changed [12:37:54] also depends [12:37:57] started thinking, if time travel was possible, why have they come back to do anything already? [12:38:08] its not time travel since creator is outside system [12:38:09] ... why /haven't/ they.. I mean [12:38:13] if it was possible they would be here already :) [12:38:22] basically the fermi paradox just of time travel [12:38:46] so thinking.. if it is possible, time probably hasn't reached that point, or doing so, puts you down another path [12:38:49] unless time travel works in a plausible way, and then you can only go back to the point where the machines was assembled [12:39:31] there was a movie based off that.. dont' recall what it was named. friend watched it, I only half paid attention [12:39:41] was work'n something else while visiting [12:40:39] Althego: ah the primer theory of time machine [12:40:51] too bad I never watched that movie. dvd is too expensive and rare. [12:41:15] i dont know about that, i read it in a book called how to build a time machine [12:41:31] just as the alcubierre drive it requires exotic matter [12:41:37] yeah one of em is twisting laser tunnel something like that anyway [12:43:00] first you make a singularity, then you shape it into a wormhole, then you put one end of it in a device that accelerates it close to the speed of lieght, so time stops for that.after that there is a time asymmetry between the two ends, but time travel is only possible after the machine was built. [12:43:28] ah.. ya.. 'Primer' was the movie [12:43:55] expensve dvd. last I looked it was $50 [12:44:05] they only did one run of dvds. [12:44:24] maybe cheaper now since dvd is going down [12:44:37] 14 bucks [12:44:48] funny since movie was a bit low budget [12:45:48] still need to rescue a kerbal from the south polar region of the mun [12:45:56] its captioned and subtitled good' [12:45:57] i have more than enough of them now [12:47:10] it took me years to wait for price to be low enough. [12:47:19] $50 or higher was too much. [12:48:13] sigh.. I have a kerbal in previous version ksp waiting for rescue mid lattitude on the mun.. [12:48:25] I really wanna bring back my carter ship too. [12:48:44] geez over 10 years! [12:48:48] where did time go [12:49:11] well soon, I can watch movie I waited over a decade for. [12:49:22] which one? [12:49:25] primer [12:49:44] what, you just bought it? [12:49:50] yeah [12:50:09] there were two movies iwated for that long [12:50:18] ender's game and alita [12:50:38] Action: JVFoxy pokes wiki.. budget $7k, made almost $842k.. huh. [12:50:56] not pad [12:50:57] oh ugh.. Ender's Game.. [12:50:57] you mean, you didnt watch on release or waited for it to exist? [12:51:11] I tried rewatching that again, some reason the meanie kids got to me [12:51:17] i had to wait until they existed [12:51:28] i love books. movie is very good but not to level of book [12:51:30] didn't alita just come out recently? [12:51:37] yes [12:51:39] ok [12:51:48] oh. primer already existed but dvd was so rare and expensive I refused to buy it till now' [12:52:01] primer was out in 2004, and I discovered it at 2005 [12:52:05] now is 2019 [12:52:05] I guess its the trailers or other things that made me think it came out a while ago already [12:52:34] now I need to get dvd player [12:52:36] another movie friend's watched while I was visiting, Moon... [12:52:47] the point is, i knew they were coming, but it took them more than a decade to finally arrive [12:53:03] welcome to lunar industries [12:53:19] ender game book was so good [12:53:31] to think I rejected it for years [12:53:36] meh teenager book [12:53:53] typical teenager book is very thin on plot [12:55:03] oh ugh.. now thinking back to some movie based on the moon I saw as a kid... started with some scene someone falling to the ground. some mystery thing [12:57:10] not much to go on [12:58:50] matrix? [12:59:15] second one, I think, starts with lady falling backwards out of building and shooting 2 big guns [12:59:29] or maybe first? been a while [13:00:50] trying to remember more... its just a body falling, not sure if in spacesuit. movie was about a murder mystery on the moon, but something's trying to kill the investigation before gets too far [13:23:22] ah.. murder by moonlight.. I believe. [13:29:55] interesting dont know that one, [13:32:09] sadly.. not a whole lot of inside details though... [14:17:53] https://i.redd.it/mcazskn3pv131.jpg [14:20:27] reminds me of one where alien brusts out of human chest... and when its adult, human baby brusts out of its chest [14:20:30] burst [14:40:08] https://66.media.tumblr.com/3933c6440e6ba1cc1b81cdaf73f152a5/tumblr_ot5sqeg0hT1rtfhejo1_540.png [14:40:40] Action: Mat2ch melts away [15:01:00] youtube gold i guess [15:01:42] things are in motion http://www.warpology.com/k/missions.png [15:03:21] time to send the rescue craft for the poor kerbal stranded in a polar crater on the mun [15:41:50] i don't think i ever had a rescue mission from the surface [15:50:59] i once had to recover the largest solid booster from a crater on the mun [15:52:06] that strange scene switching slowness again, i couldnt take it anymore, had to restart [15:52:32] strangely it does not happen for the mission and science buildings. probably because they are just menus [16:03:06] yeah, that bug me, too, sometimes. I like to test-and-revert designs a lot [16:08:27] that too. but most annoying is the frequent switches between flying a craft, tracking station and editor [16:51:18] scott [16:51:29] that lem lego is nice [16:51:38] with golden element [16:51:39] s [18:58:32] anyone know if kerbal engineer shows landing position? I'm trying to figure out which mod it is that shows a large bullseye on my where I'm about to land [19:21:58] yes, that's KER [19:23:28] wait, it does that? i never knew :) [19:23:38] click 'land'. [19:23:57] also shows you suicide burn time. [19:29:37] 55 minutes until first probe reaches minmus. and it carries 4 small relay sats [19:30:08] the core collects science [19:30:35] What are you playing so you need relays for Minmus? [19:31:01] stock [19:32:06] bob follows a day later so maybe there will be a partially set up network. not too important for bob, but still nice to have for other probes [19:38:03] Althego: I have 96% signal on Minmus with a Communotron 16. I don't need signal on the far side. [19:38:46] it is more convenient [19:38:54] exactly for the far side [19:39:05] ok :) [19:39:40] Mun is a different story, tidally locked. [19:39:51] I think. [19:46:01] It is [20:51:57] Althego, it's a fairly recent KER release that added the LAND tab [20:52:16] and i havent installed it since the delta v display [20:54:31] 'land' doesn't show the landing site for suicide burn. [21:00:38] finally, ran out of the updated isekai mangas [21:40:53] def wont get ksp anytime soon...just got laptop, parents won't get me anything for at least 2 yrs... [21:41:10] okay? [21:42:08] What's the difference between different colored parachutes? I know some come in side-mounted units, but the only difference in the parachutes themselves is that some are orange and others red. [21:43:11] Swapping colors is for aesthetics and/or marking. As for types, compare drogue with regular [21:43:38] oooohhhhhhh...so not much of a difference. [21:43:44] Ok... [21:43:46] Drogue chutes you open earlier/higher/faster to slow down enough to safely use main chutes [21:43:55] Not all craft need both [21:44:13] Right...irl you can use tiny parachutes to drag out the big ones can you do that in ksp? [21:45:03] Stock ones don't do that per se. Deployment is always successful if you're in the right speed range. [21:45:16] Any advice on separating srbs from fuel tanks so they DON'T explode? Watched vid where it lopped off the whole first stage [21:45:50] So it's best to open chutes under 500 kps...right [21:46:27] I don't play, but love the game [21:47:01] *nobody is saying anything* [21:47:47] Ares did you watch The MArtian? [21:48:23] jUMPSu1t: Why do you care if SRBs explode? [21:48:29] Uh, be careful with decoupler placement, and make sure you still have thrust? [21:48:58] I assume jUMPSu1t is worried about collisions with upper stages [21:49:19] uh, chute wise I'd say below ~300-400 m/s [21:49:20] @darsie bc if they explode while you're jettisoning them, they destroy your fuel tanks [21:49:23] jUMPSu1t: Place SRBs low on decouplers, so they rotate with their tops away. [21:49:30] Fair enough. [21:49:37] Don't even play this game [21:50:12] jUMPSu1t: You can buy KSP yourself. [21:50:26] Ik...but I don't have that liberty [21:50:36] I wisk tho [21:50:38] How so? [21:50:40] Wish [21:50:53] uhhh...I have parents [21:50:55] Will they punish you of you do? [21:51:02] if [21:51:12] Yeah, and I'd spend wayyyy to much time playing [21:51:13] Wiht your own money. [21:51:25] Well...yeah [21:51:40] It's only too much time if homework, etc isn't getting done [21:51:42] Tell them KSP is educational. [21:52:04] Neglecing social life can be an issue, too. [21:52:06] Or health. [21:52:12] Alright...I wrote paragraph about it, will send [21:52:27] I get it... obviously I'll feed myselgf [21:54:43] Right, [21:54:58] Right now learning ksp from matt lowne vids [21:56:07] Sent paragraph to parents...waiting... [21:56:17] Users keep leaving [21:57:23] People join and leave IRC. Or have spotty connections [21:58:01] Yeah...just saying. Totally new to this kind of chat room. [22:00:18] It's called channel. [22:01:16] OMG MY MOM SAID I CAN BUY IT!!!!!!! [22:01:52] :) [22:02:09] How old are you? [22:04:07] Where would you recommend buying KSP? Steam? kerbalspaceprogram.com? Somewhere else? [22:04:16] Pros, cons? [22:06:49] I'd lean towards store or steam, depending on what you're comfortable with [22:07:47] steam has it on special occasionally. [22:08:13] yeah [22:08:34] store=kerbalspaceprogram.com? [22:11:46] yeah [22:11:58] Action: UmbralRaptor eyes my 2011 purchase [22:12:13] So you lean towards all available options? :) [22:12:46] oh, conditionally :) [22:14:38] The actual comfort thing gets into dealing with updates and mods. And I somewhat prefer the manual downloading zips thing