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[00:57:51] <Mathuin> Hahaha.  GOES-16 showed the thermal signature of GOES-S when it took off -- bright line across the sky.  NWS Austin/San Antonio tweeted it, Scott Manley retweeted.
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[01:37:38] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Under budget and on time means you're probably missing something.
[01:37:54] <Scolar_Visari> Speaking of which . . . http://spacenews.com/gao-warns-jwst-could-face-more-delays-and-cost-overruns/
[01:41:13] <Eddi|zuHause> well, on a scale of Elbphilharmonie to Berlin Airport, how bad is it?
[01:42:42] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: That depends on who you ask. Lots of big NASA and DoD projects in particular go over budget because they're not funded as much as is originally requested, greatly prolonging development time.
[01:43:02] <Eddi|zuHause> where Elbphilharmonie (in Hamburg) was way over budget and over time, but they actually finished it, while Berlin Airport was way over time and over budget, isn't finsished, and the voices get louder to just tear it down and start from scratch
[01:43:03] Action: Scolar_Visari stares at the chronically underfunded commercial crew program.
[01:43:44] <Scolar_Visari> JWST is almost done, really. No, I'm serious!
[01:44:50] <Scolar_Visari> Big airports in general seem to have issues.
[01:44:58] <Scolar_Visari> Wait, scratch that: Big projects in general.
[01:45:18] <Eddi|zuHause> we have more big projects with big problems :p
[01:46:48] <Scolar_Visari> Ahem, lots of, erm . . . "People who pass laws" seem to ignore that cutting annual funding to R&D intensive projects will result in higher net costs in the end outside total cancelation.
[01:46:52] <Eddi|zuHause> like stuttgart train station, which is not only over budget and time, but also had massive protests against it, which were gunned down police state style with water- and teargas throwers, blinding a person permanently
[01:48:09] Action: Scolar_Visari will summon Bahamut Zero the next time someone mentions SpaceX building a LV or their own JWST.
[01:50:02] <Eddi|zuHause> and there's a bunch of "reunification" projects like roads and rails which were chronically underfunded, but also cut into the funding of regular road maintenance
[01:50:49] <Eddi|zuHause> and one of those fancy new Autobahn sections is literally sinking into the swamp
[01:51:25] <Scolar_Visari> Swamps are the reason Berlin cannot have gigantic buildings.
[01:51:50] Action: Scolar_Visari links to good article explaining JWST's budget 'overruns' http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/09/08/how-the-us-government-chose-to/
[01:51:52] <Eddi|zuHause> well the name "Berlin" comes from the slavic word for "swamp"
[01:53:33] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: #DrainTheSwamp
[01:55:47] Action: Scolar_Visari sighs. "Terminate the project under NASA, sell it to Elon Musk at a penny per thousand dollars, and he should be able to get it to orbit by 2016&"
[01:56:21] <Eddi|zuHause> so elon musk now has a time machine?
[01:57:29] <Scolar_Visari> This was from 2011, when the article was written.
[01:57:43] <Scolar_Visari> Not that I could see a decent orbital telescope actually fitting in those puny Falcon fairings.
[01:58:49] <Mathuin> He could launch it in three pieces, dock them to the ISS, have those astronauts finish assembly, and kick it into the proper orbit.
[01:58:55] <Mathuin> He just needs to install KIS and KAS.
[01:58:58] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: you aren't the only one with big project in trouble...
[01:59:24] <Eddi|zuHause> ve2dmn: quelle surprise!
[01:59:45] <ve2dmn> ... when they extented the orange Metro line in Montreal, they 'forgot' 1km of tunnels in the budget
[02:00:17] <Scolar_Visari> Mathuin: The ISS really isn't in a good place for things like that, which is why technical papers on the subject ended with the introduction of Russia.
[02:00:38] Action: Scolar_Visari notes the change in orbit of the ISS to a higher inclination more friendly to Soyuz docking.
[02:01:00] <Scolar_Visari> Cutting the JWST or any telescope like that in pieces is also problematic, as you still need a very wide payload fairing for the optics.
[02:02:24] <Scolar_Visari> It'd also be inconvenient to put things on the Space Station as is, as you'd have increased orbital adjustment propellant consumption and a lack of actual space for mounting.
[02:05:08] <Eddi|zuHause> at my workplace for the past year i'm also dealing with a project that was underfunded and isn't finished, potentially costing the company lost revenue
[02:05:56] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Clearly we should commence lay offs to make up for this discrepency!
[02:06:10] <Scolar_Visari> Also: Who's going to Colonia for the new Elite CG?
[02:06:29] <ve2dmn> CG?
[02:06:35] <Scolar_Visari> Community Goal.
[02:06:52] <Eddi|zuHause> Well, i technically quit my job there, working now as an external consultant
[02:07:04] <Scolar_Visari> There's two (!), a mining goal and a trading goal to improve local defenses in the event of a Thargoid incursion.
[02:07:14] <Eddi|zuHause> that might count as a "layoff" :p
[02:07:14] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Awkward.
[02:07:45] <Eddi|zuHause> ... it was really not a great place to work at
[02:07:57] <Scolar_Visari> Going to Colonia takes a while and is a perfect excuse for me to catch up with Ash vs Evil Dead on the other monitor.
[02:08:11] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: It could've been worse. Your bosses could've been space lizards or something.
[02:09:24] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: I have Elite... I should try it at least once
[02:10:26] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I recommend getting a Diamondback Explorer, Asp Explorer or Anaconda with level 5 engineered FSDs for the Colonia trips.
[02:10:52] <Scolar_Visari> I made the, "mistake" of going there with a fully laden Python.
[02:11:02] <ve2dmn> I don't even have the game installed yet
[02:11:56] <Scolar_Visari> Oh, well then, you should start in a Sidewinder and move up from there.
[02:12:37] <Scolar_Visari> It's like Freelancer.
[02:12:44] <ve2dmn> I know
[02:13:15] <ve2dmn> I also played EVE back in the days
[02:13:26] <ve2dmn> like... a decade ago
[02:14:48] <Scolar_Visari> I could never play EVE for more than an hour before falling asleep.
[02:15:22] <Scolar_Visari> I *occasionally* multi-crew for mentoring if I don't think I'll run into murder hobos.
[02:15:47] <kuzetsa> I have to ask
[02:15:50] <kuzetsa> murder hobos?
[02:16:46] <Scolar_Visari> kuzetsa: There are some people that kill just for the heck of it, gunning for new players in particular or those involved in certain community related acitivites.
[02:17:13] <Scolar_Visari> The Dove Enigma incident comes to mind, though that was less about killing and more about ensuring it wouldn't be operational.
[02:17:32] <kuzetsa> no clue
[02:18:02] <kuzetsa> I got chased out of eve, ranging from getting podded to having multi-billion isk bounties, etc.
[02:18:20] <Scolar_Visari> Dove Enigma was a mega-ship in the Colonia system named after a player who, in real life, had a brain tumor, and was to make a voyage there as part of aconvoy.
[02:18:22] <kuzetsa> my care bear attitude was disrespectful, among other offensive things
[02:19:08] <ve2dmn> kuzetsa: sounds like my experience
[02:19:26] <Scolar_Visari> A group of players smuggled in the small number of Thargoid artifacts needed to disable Dove Enigma's systems while the convoy was en route. Though, thankfully, the lockdown was quickly averted with an emergency shipment of meta-alloys from the Maia system.
[02:19:53] Action: Scolar_Visari notes that their own Python was delivered meta-alloys within the second day of the incident, hence the full load.
[02:20:55] <kuzetsa> I never got into the "storytelling which is just things which happened in-character" aspect of eve. it's all just spreadsheets and non-consensual PvP advocates harassing anyone who wants to do PvE ops
[02:20:57] <Scolar_Visari> Murder hobos are thankfully rarer than decent people, I think. The Fuel Rats, for instance, have been known to cross the entire breadth of the galaxy to help stranded players.
[02:21:43] <Scolar_Visari> kuzetsa: Elite has the option for private P2P playing or solo mode, in addition to fewer spreadsheets sans trading and ship planning.
[02:22:24] <kuzetsa> I took my gameplay in a different direction: no more MMOs which have PvP of any kind
[02:23:01] <ve2dmn> kuzetsa: are you me?
[02:23:11] <kuzetsa> ve2dmn: possibly
[02:23:28] <Scolar_Visari> kuzetsa: Psht, go for four player co-op!
[02:23:36] <kuzetsa> Scolar_Visari: the spreadsheets are the fun part of eve which I miss
[02:23:45] <ve2dmn> same
[02:24:14] Action: Scolar_Visari should host a spaceship role playing channel game with spreadsheet use for plotting firing solutions and interplanetary missions.
[02:24:39] <TheKosmonaut> Scolar_Visari: FIRING SOLUTIONS
[02:24:48] Action: TheKosmonaut AI INTENSIFIES
[02:25:23] <kuzetsa> Scolar_Visari: to each their own - I'm also not a fan of games which are structured to have partying be the primary way in which the game is played, with no realistic way to opt-out once you're involved
[02:25:47] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut: When those fancy electromechanical targeting computers in World War submarines broke down, how do you think they aimed their torpedoes?
[02:26:13] <TheKosmonaut> Scolar_Visari: launched a dude in a scuba suit with a radio
[02:26:32] <Scolar_Visari> kuzetsa: Hah, as it stands, Elite only *just* introduced party missions. Though it's still possible to complete them alone.
[02:26:39] <TheKosmonaut> He would either say "miss" or you would hear a splat
[02:26:41] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut: They used slide rules and math!
[02:26:54] <TheKosmonaut> Scolar_Visari: no that's much too convoluted
[02:26:59] <TheKosmonaut> My solution is superior
[02:27:18] <Scolar_Visari> Thankfully, merchantmen traveled in convoys so as to make the process of re-calculating solutions much easier.
[02:27:24] <kuzetsa> Scolar_Visari: elite doesn't play on 1.3ghz dualcore sandybridge i3-mobile with intel HD3000 graphics, regardless of my disinterest :P
[02:27:34] <Scolar_Visari> Except in teh case of Japan. They did not do convoys.
[02:27:40] <kuzetsa> KSP just barely plays, depending on how [un]reasonable my vessels are
[02:27:43] <Scolar_Visari> kuzetsa: Then play the original 1984 Elite!
[02:27:49] <kuzetsa> pass
[02:27:59] <Scolar_Visari> It's mostly space trading with a few Thargoids in between.
[02:28:19] <kuzetsa> I have no clue what a thargoid is
[02:28:26] <ve2dmn> Aliens
[02:28:36] <Scolar_Visari> It's an alien species that can interdict starships in the middle of hyperspace.
[02:28:46] <kuzetsa> sounds role-play-ey
[02:29:08] <Scolar_Visari> You don't actually *have* to fight them. I even offer them, er, volunteers.
[02:29:23] <kuzetsa> I just want spreadsheets and logistics. really.
[02:29:36] <kuzetsa> it's one of the best features of KSP
[02:29:37] <Scolar_Visari> Then #KSPOfficial Space Commander it is.
[02:29:46] <kuzetsa> ?
[02:29:47] Action: Scolar_Visari has not once used spreadsheets in KSP. 
[02:29:49] <ve2dmn> kuzetsa: Factorio?
[02:30:02] <kuzetsa> ve2dmn: no clue
[02:30:31] <kuzetsa> practice at speedcubing (3x3x3 non-rubiks brand) is the most gaming I've done in weeks
[02:30:44] Action: Scolar_Visari seems to recall there being a n-body physics, realism heavy space combat simulator.
[02:31:44] <kuzetsa> best part of speedcubing is being able to research new optimization strategies which can reduce movecount and/or improve the insight you'll have to be able to predict the state of the puzzle a few more moves into the future
[02:33:11] <Scolar_Visari> While this isn't it . . . 
[02:33:12] <Scolar_Visari> http://store.steampowered.com/app/573490/Interstellar_Transport_Company/
[02:33:38] <ve2dmn> kuzetsa: I know there is a game that simulates Rubik cube in higher-level dimensions...
[02:34:52] <Eddi|zuHause> i never even really attempted to solve a rubik's czbe
[02:35:04] <Eddi|zuHause> cube
[02:35:31] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I once solved one after blasting it to pieces.
[02:36:23] <Scolar_Visari> Here it is! http://store.steampowered.com/app/476530/Children_of_a_Dead_Earth/
[02:40:00] <kuzetsa> ve2dmn: ask siri/google/alexa or whoever --- MF3RS2
[02:40:30] <ve2dmn> I don't have any of thoses
[02:42:02] <kuzetsa> it's a sub $10 cube (same or slightly price point as rubiks brand)
[02:42:10] <kuzetsa> just sayin'
[02:42:23] Action: Scolar_Visari notes it's possible to make one's own missiles in CoaDE, even going so far as to give them more delta-v than most targets!
[02:42:37] <kuzetsa> *slightly cheaper price point
[02:42:44] <kuzetsa> ${grammar}
[02:44:40] <ve2dmn> speaking of price, I was thinking of buying the Nokia 8 phone... anyone think it's a bad idea?
[02:46:24] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: also, you can design your own nuclear weapons! 
[02:46:42] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: is it that silly feature phone? 
[02:46:47] <ve2dmn> no
[02:47:07] <UmbralRaptor> Okay, maybe. 
[02:47:16] <ve2dmn> but my OnePlus one is getting old at this point
[02:47:20] <ve2dmn> (and crashing)
[02:47:33] <ve2dmn> not to mention obsolete and insecure
[02:48:43] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: There's some pretty insane custom stuff on the Steam workshop page, such as high yield NTR propelled nuclear tipped missiles with 5,000 + m/s of delta-v
[02:49:34] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: hah. How large do the warheads get 
[02:49:37] <UmbralRaptor> ? 
[02:50:38] <Scolar_Visari> Dunno.
[02:50:51] Action: Scolar_Visari is personally a fan of spinal mounted particle cannons.
[02:50:56] <Scolar_Visari> But they don't have that.
[02:51:59] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: Incidentally, I'm at a loss for what phone to get next. My N5X is going to get EOL'd soon, and is of course vulnerable to bootloop of death. The Pixels dropped audio output, so I'd lose music and podcasts. 3rd party means I might get the update (and bootloader) shenanigans that pushed me to a nexus in the first place. 
[02:52:24] Action: Scolar_Visari hands UmbralRaptor two cans connected by string.
[02:52:43] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: which is why I was looking into the Nokia phones
[02:52:53] <ve2dmn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_8
[02:53:15] Action: UmbralRaptor stares at the lack of an N900 successor. =\
[02:53:38] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: The cans are actually the N1000
[02:53:41] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: I used this tool: https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?
[02:54:02] Action: UmbralRaptor hands Scolar_Visari a cage full of homing pigeons. 
[02:55:07] <kuzetsa> update/bootloader shenanigans are what I seem to be stuck in currently
[02:55:09] <Scolar_Visari> Oh boy, my own set!
[02:55:15] <ve2dmn> https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?chk35mm=selected&sNumberSIMs=1,2,3&sOSes=2&sOSversions=2710,2800
[02:55:31] Action: Scolar_Visari attaches messages on the homing pigeons, hoping they will make it through enemy lines with their reinforcement requests.
[02:56:14] <UmbralRaptor> kuzetsa: And that's why I tell everyone to avoid Motorola and VZW. 
[02:56:49] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: The ennemi intercept the message and decodes it "SEND NUDES"
[02:57:29] <Scolar_Visari> "Morale failing, soldiers need moer dirty mags. Also: Send beer. - Cmdr. Visari"
[02:58:05] <kuzetsa> ::cough:: samsung
[02:58:26] <UmbralRaptor> 🔥
[02:58:46] <kuzetsa> I went from having an unlocked bootloader / custom recovery image (TWRP) ---> now I have a locked bootloader and samsung's crippled recovery thinger
[02:59:18] <kuzetsa> ... and a bunch of bloatware which I can't even disable or hide
[02:59:37] <ve2dmn> I just want a stupid phone with Pure Android, a 3.5mm jack and Dual-sims.... 
[02:59:45] <ve2dmn> It seems I'm asking too much
[02:59:50] <kuzetsa> heh
[03:01:19] <ve2dmn> I doubt Canadian mobile providers are going to sell Dual-sims phones
[03:01:55] <kuzetsa> when the OTA update glitched I was forced to do a factory reset (lost all my data) ---> by the time it finishes and I had a "working" (touchwiz... eww) updated OS I had lost root & TWRP and couldn't seem to re-flash TWRP without inducing a boot loop which persisted until I put the stock recovery image back on
[03:02:00] <ve2dmn> so even since my Nokia N95, I've always bought my phones online
[03:02:44] <kuzetsa> basically, they were respectful of my needs and gave me freedom to make my own decisions on how I'd use my own hardware </sarcasm>
[03:03:13] <ve2dmn> We don't own anything :/
[03:03:39] <kuzetsa> speak for yourself
[03:03:59] <kuzetsa> I have a very nice non-electronic device on my desk RIGHT NOW
[03:04:09] <kuzetsa> non-rubiks (brand) rubiks cube <3 <3 <3
[03:04:14] <kuzetsa> it's so good
[03:04:18] <kuzetsa> <3
[03:04:41] Action: UmbralRaptor was half-expecting a pepper-grinder type mechanical computer. 
[03:05:09] <ve2dmn> I was expecting a cat
[03:05:17] <ve2dmn> not sure why
[03:05:22] <kuzetsa> =^.^=\
[03:05:40] <UmbralRaptor> Kitty! 
[03:05:51] <kuzetsa> mmm that reminds me
[03:06:12] <kuzetsa> cute animals are cute
[03:06:21] <kuzetsa> [15:15:00] <kuzetsa> ::curls up with a linux for a nap:: || [15:15:01] <kuzetsa> http://i.imgur.com/63Y0S.jpg || [15:15:49] <kuzetsa> (catnap / batnap: either way is fine)
[03:06:32] <kuzetsa> ^ earlier when I took a break from kernel / OS stuff
[03:07:24] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, I could probably play CoaDE
[03:08:13] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: I'd hope that it's a game you'd like. 
[03:08:29] <UmbralRaptor> kuzetsa: POSIX compliant bat? 
[03:08:31] <Scolar_Visari> I dunno. I'd rather like a nonviolent option. Like, space search and rescue I guess?
[03:08:46] <UmbralRaptor> hm
[03:10:17] <Scolar_Visari> Heh, hard-science interplanetary trade simulator.
[03:10:49] <UmbralRaptor> Good luck! 
[03:12:11] <Scolar_Visari> "You've been awarded a contract to supply water to a space station under construction for its cetacean habitat. Receive a bonus for transporting rare whales from Earth."
[03:12:31] <UmbralRaptor> pfft
[03:12:33] <whales> \o/
[03:14:28] <Scolar_Visari> "Oh no! The casino in construction over Saturn lost a supply shipment of valuable materials needed for its radiation shielding! Launch a cargo ship from your manufactory in Earth orbit within the alloted time for a bonus!"
[03:18:15] <Scolar_Visari> Alternatively, a space station designer would be really cool. I recall there being one in the works.
[03:18:49] <Scolar_Visari> Ah, no update since last year https://highfrontierblog.com/
[03:26:43] <Scolar_Visari> Shame, I would've liked to have made a giant space theme park.
[06:23:58] <Draconiator> I hate it when you're making something complicated....the staging always screws up.
[06:26:23] <Althego> hehe
[06:26:30] <Althego> especially if you put two ships together
[06:26:39] <Althego> then you have to manually look through everything
[06:27:02] <Althego> and the game always tries to rearrange the staging to its liking
[06:27:10] <Althego> which is wrong more often than not
[06:34:47] <Draconiator> it's like...you're testing something you worked hard on and you THINK everything's perfect....and then "...how'd THAT happen?"
[06:57:58] <Draconiator> and sometimes Mechjeb is TOO precise too...had to so some emergency evading because MJ was going to land me DIRECTLY on top of my munbase
[06:59:17] <Althego> hehe
[08:30:25] <Gasher[work]> lol
[10:48:32] <taniwha> bah, he's gone
[10:48:41] <taniwha> anyway, something like this? http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot1358.png
[12:48:07] <pixelfox> finally a ksp chatroom !
[12:50:23] <ve2dmn> An official one too
[12:51:24] <pixelfox> yeah always wondered if there was one lol
[12:51:53] <pixelfox> are we allowed to post pics here ? 
[12:52:14] <ve2dmn> as long as you respect the same rules as the forum
[12:52:25] <ve2dmn> check the /topic
[12:52:29] <pixelfox> ok
[12:53:15] <pixelfox> https://i.imgur.com/KXovS8n.jpg
[12:53:34] <pixelfox> 27th rebuild now 
[12:54:03] <ve2dmn> how many mods?
[12:54:08] <pixelfox> none 
[12:54:16] <ve2dmn> impressive
[12:55:02] <pixelfox> ive been playing since 2012, mods are cool but more challenge trying to build around problems in stock 
[12:55:42] <ve2dmn> I can't play without at least KER
[12:55:55] <pixelfox> info mods allowed lol
[12:56:07] <pixelfox> graphics mods dont affect stock either 
[12:57:24] <pixelfox> i mostly build massive cruisers with internals and shuttles ect (and stock weapons if i can spare the part count)
[12:59:25] <pixelfox> auto strut is a god send lol
[13:00:04] <ve2dmn> My current game is built around USI-LS and tourism+
[13:00:11] <pixelfox> the way i build stuff i prefer the old fuel flow way , now its like any part that touches flows fuel never liked that 
[13:01:03] <pixelfox> you mean contracts ? never played them im mostly sanbox working on epic builds
[13:01:31] <pixelfox> i can find a better pic 
[13:02:28] <pixelfox> https://imgur.com/a/Y1ge8
[13:02:37] <ve2dmn> Life Support makes things much more challenging
[13:02:38] <pixelfox> galaxy class prototype 
[13:04:04] <pixelfox> yeah i wouldnt mind trying that out actually ive been having a go at kerbal star systems pack , but looks like i will need real warp drive lol , the part looks silly though with that huge ring , ive been looking at smaller warp drives but they are wip 
[13:04:43] <pixelfox> basically i need a smaller part that i could hide inside one of my cruisers 
[13:05:50] <pixelfox> i dunno though , no way you could moon jump and refuel at eeloo and jump to star from there ? or is that out of the question ? 
[13:06:14] <ve2dmn> no clue
[13:06:44] <ve2dmn> never made it to Eeloo ground, only orbit
[13:07:57] <pixelfox> its basically like tylo 
[13:08:08] <pixelfox> easy to land nasty gravity well lol
[13:09:28] <ve2dmn> I have to head to work. laters
[13:09:46] <pixelfox> im off on ksp have fun :)
[13:52:04] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/aff68d4ba0fa85284dc77b9e87aed7f7.png
[14:16:16] <UmbralRaptor> Snowball planets more habitable than previously thought. https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.00511
[14:16:36] <UmbralRaptor> Also oddly appropriate author name. 
[14:17:37] <Althego> which one
[14:18:25] <Truga> import cold from off-planet to fight global warming!
[14:19:30] <TheKosmonaut> Truga: instructions unclear. Installed Verteron Array and having meteor impacts on the poles
[14:24:05] <UmbralRaptor> Althego: Adiv Paradise 
[14:27:17] <taniwha> I fail to see what's so appropriate about "Adiv" ;)
[14:27:31] <Althego> i was thinking about christopher lee :)
[14:43:59] <ve2dmn> this is brilliant: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/819thm/okay_google_take_over_the_galaxy/
[14:47:10] <Truga> ehhh
[14:47:16] <Truga> i prefer paperclip maximizers
[14:49:06] <ve2dmn> https://i.redd.it/zg7t537q58j01.png
[14:49:34] <Truga> makes sense
[14:51:17] <UmbralRaptor> Didn't Sega have a console that basically made that claim? 
[14:58:31] <sandbox> before they changed the definition of what #-bit means
[14:59:49] <sandbox> Jaguar
[15:07:44] <ve2dmn> https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/81cjed/this_custom_cake_made_by_a_wedding_catering/
[15:09:00] <ve2dmn> Kerbal Baking program
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[15:21:38] <sandbox> NovaSilisko :)
[15:24:10] <Truga> best silisko
[15:36:56] <danman> can someone please tell me how to set a custom action group to a key?
[15:37:13] <danman> as in, how to a tell it what key to be assigned to
[15:37:29] <Arcan> aren't they just 0-9 keys?
[15:37:33] <Arcan> or are you using a mod?
[15:37:40] <danman> idk, where does it tell you that?
[15:37:52] <danman> no, stock KSP
[15:38:21] <Arcan> so you assigned stuff to an action group, right?
[15:38:38] <danman> yes, 8 radiators
[15:38:51] <Arcan> which action group?
[15:38:59] <danman> custom01
[15:39:03] <Arcan> ok so
[15:39:13] <Arcan> press the "1" key on the top row of your keyboard
[15:40:06] <danman> o, i must be doing something wrong. im on the launch pad, pushing "1" and nothing
[15:40:10] <danman> ok*
[15:41:25] <danman> http://prntscr.com/ilwzqz
[15:42:19] <Arcan> screenshot of your action group in the VAB (and could you upload it to kitsun.es or something, firewall is blocking prntscr.com and imgur.com and I don't have my VPN set up yet)
[15:42:38] <danman> ok
[15:43:36] <danman> https://kitsun.es/two22R
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[15:44:33] <Arcan> ok i assume these aren't the big radiators that extend like solar panels
[15:44:53] <danman> no. im basically at the start of the game
[15:45:50] <Arcan> ok, so what you need to do is assign the "activate" and "deactivate" things to two different action groups
[15:46:04] <Arcan> say, 01 to turn on and 02 to turn off
[15:46:14] <danman> lol, oh? ok.... i guess that would make sense.. ill try that right now
[15:46:51] <danman> yup
[15:46:53] <danman> thank you !
[15:47:54] <Arcan> you're welcome!
[15:48:03] <danman> im returning to KSP from many years of being away. have made in to mun and eve in the past but never used action groups. thx much
[15:48:39] <Arcan> I don't know what needs radiators nowadays, as the last time I played pretty much you only needed them for going close to Sol and using nuclear engines
[15:49:19] <danman> my science jr like to go boom at the end of kerbin reentry 
[15:53:02] <kuzetsa> heat shields and/or radiators and/or shallow-er reentry?
[15:53:54] <kuzetsa> wait, at the end?
[15:53:57] <kuzetsa> the landing?
[15:54:11] <danman> yes, i have the basic heatshield and now radiators.. im expecting better results this time... i am kind of coming in a lil steep, ik... ill come on a more shallow arc this time too
[15:54:34] <danman> nono, at the end where i am almost through 
[15:54:39] <kuzetsa> nod
[15:57:32] <kuzetsa> with deadly reentry (before aero heating was a stock feature, and before aero drag was accurate so you could still calculate aerobraking / aerocapture VERY accurately due to a static coeficient of friction) I liked to target an aerobraking pass which "bounced off the atmosphere" somewhat -- like do calculations and try for an apoapx0rz of 75km
[15:58:15] <kuzetsa> that was pretty safe even returning from duna
[15:59:06] <kuzetsa> * coeficient of drag
[15:59:21] <taniwha> Science Jr does not stand up well to heat.
[15:59:23] <kuzetsa> ... that thing I meant what I forgot what it was called :D
[15:59:40] <taniwha> You're better off rendezvousing with it and extracting the science using a kerbal.
[15:59:41] <kuzetsa> it's what what make the slowdown
[15:59:43] <kuzetsa> :3
[16:00:00] <taniwha> pre-1.0 stock drag was... so utterly bogus
[16:00:22] <taniwha> (empty tank and full tank falling through atmosphere at the same speed)
[16:01:09] <UmbralRaptor> Drag was coupled to the Higgs field. 
[16:01:12] <danman> you are probably right, however i tend to have a very Jebediah approach to space flight :P
[16:03:18] <danman> i doubt elon musk will be knocking my door door, begging my to fly any missions for him nytime soon :P
[16:04:45] <taniwha> UmbralRaptor: I now have an imagine of Lawrence Krauss explaining kerbal physics
[16:06:19] <UmbralRaptor> <_< >_>
[16:29:18] <Althego> http://img.pr0gramm.com/2018/03/01/fcd7210645060ff0.png
[16:30:30] <UmbralRaptor> Wait, why does the robot have popcorn? 
[16:30:50] <Althego> because itis a joke
[16:30:56] <Althego> falcon 9 when?
[16:31:14] <Althego> 2 days 13 hours
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[17:14:04] <Althego> at least the atlas v launched
[17:14:23] <Fluburtur> spacex didn't?
[17:14:27] <Fluburtur> I was sleeping then
[17:14:30] <Althego> no, in 2.5 days
[17:14:39] <Fluburtur> nice
[17:38:32] <Draconiator> Another thing I've JUST learned....if you want to land somewhere...set up  a retrograde orbit first.  you'll just end up chasing your landing point the other way.
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[18:06:14] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/6555a767d4abe0649e899446dd524526/tumblr_p4f267JqmS1r1mpi1o1_540.jpg
[18:08:31] <Fluburtur> "why did the cake is a lie become the like most quoted portal thing when literally everything glados said was funnier "
[18:08:36] <Fluburtur> Look, we both said a lot of things that *youre* going to regret.
[18:08:38] <Fluburtur> well yeah
[18:11:15] <Fluburtur> also this album is cool https://youtu.be/g12-COi56Pc
[18:11:15] <kmath> YouTube - Toro y Moi - My Touch [Full Album]
[18:27:46] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: I can explain why that line became the running gag of portal
[18:28:06] <ve2dmn> But I think you can probably guess why 
[18:28:11] <Fluburtur> because of stuff in portal one?
[18:28:17] <Fluburtur> I haven't played it in a while actually
[18:29:07] <ve2dmn> It's the only 'motivation' they give you for finishing the puzzles
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[18:30:01] <Fluburtur> yeah
[18:31:32] <ve2dmn> as far as I remember she never says 'The cake is a lie'
[18:31:40] <Fluburtur> nah
[18:31:45] <ve2dmn> That line was a graffiti on the wall
[18:31:45] <Fluburtur> maybe an achievment?
[18:33:30] <Fluburtur> uh why isn't my stuff here already
[18:33:43] <Fluburtur> probably because it comes from china and I ordered it one week ago
[18:33:53] <Fluburtur> and two weeks is fast already for shipping from there
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[18:34:23] <ve2dmn> Slow boat from china
[18:34:34] <Fluburtur> it is supposed to come by plane actually
[18:34:43] <Fluburtur> I guess a boat takes more than two weeks to do that trip
[18:35:00] <ve2dmn> depends: Suez or not?
[18:36:30] <Fluburtur> idk
[18:43:37] <ve2dmn> https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/01/canada-ranked-number-1-list-countries-care-international-rankings/
[18:44:08] <ve2dmn> #YesItSatire
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[21:51:25] <Fluburtur> well
[21:51:37] <Fluburtur> I just added an air raid siren to my list of things to do
[21:57:02] <SnoopJeDi> http://feeds.kinja.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/4HD7unkowAI/report-pretty-much-every-one-threw-up-on-a-flight-th-1823463317
[21:58:46] <Fluburtur> well
[21:58:58] <Fluburtur> I thought it would be from contamnated air or soemthing
[21:59:04] <Fluburtur> turns out those peoples are just ewak
[21:59:05] <Fluburtur> weak*
[21:59:57] <UmbralRaptop> whee! 
[22:06:01] <SnoopJeDi> All people are weak to being literally shaken
[22:06:11] <SnoopJeDi> CLOSEDWONTFIX
[22:10:45] <darsie> Removing some parts of the ear might help.
[23:05:19] <UmbralRaptop> Replace humans with silicon creatures. 
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