[00:06:28] fuh.. trying to pick up kerbal in badly inclined, just past the mun orbit.. really wish they'd tell you about where the rescue would be. [00:06:40] contract said kerbin orbit.. wasn't expecting out beyond mun orbit [00:06:48] can't you sort of tell by the reward? [00:07:05] big reward = wonky orbit? [00:07:30] didn't exactly pay attention.. was two other rescues and a tourist trip.. all kerbin orbit [00:08:00] although.. now I'll use more caution next time [00:08:11] i remember being greedy once and picking the one with the big reward [00:08:32] then i was like "oh i need a new ship design for this" [00:09:40] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqYsNOXXcAAE2zz.jpg [00:17:33] i can already tell this 3-part lander-rover/orbital-habitat/return-vehicle is going to be a b to get in a 75 km orbit [00:22:15] Fluburtur wow.... sure someone wasn't seeing doubles? [00:22:35] I only care for the highest quality bootleg [00:24:09] i am so blind to marketing i didn't even notice the first time i looked [00:27:40] if I could make my own shoes.. I would. :\ [00:28:19] mind you... someone found an abandoned shoe store, still stocked from the 50s... a lot of people saying things were higher quality back then, lasts longer. People would pay good money [00:28:52] selective memory is a thing [00:29:11] https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/02/22/52459/ [00:29:15] I have a radio from the late 40s and it works great, that maybe means all the crap ones are gone [00:29:18] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836369/Family-unearth-amazing-vintage-shoe-store-locked-decades-inheriting-old-building-footwear-perfect-condition-albeit-little-dusty.html [00:29:47] Fluburtur does it use tubes? ^.^ [00:30:01] yeah, no transistors back then [00:30:25] sweet, would love to see it working.. been wanting to make one of my own. :( [00:31:05] I don't care what people way about some old tech... sometimes there is a bit of a charm to them. [00:31:13] https://youtu.be/fd-WkTnpEBA [00:31:13] YouTube - 4.5 Watts [00:31:23] I need to get it out of the attic and use it again [00:31:44] I also have one from 1958 [00:31:50] I modded jack plugs into both of them [00:32:14] the more recent one actually works as a guitar amp, gives that amazing tube override sound [00:32:59] ah... quite the multi band for SW on it.. [00:33:20] the old ones all have a pickup input [00:33:32] look at this beauty tho - https://i.imgur.com/8Q6emBB.png [00:33:32] I wish I had a better setup for SW.. been sort of into radios long ago, even as a kid. [00:33:33] same format as european power plugs for some reason [00:34:53] In one of CuriousMarc's videos, was talking about in the 50s-60s, a lot of places didn't start using standards for plugs and power. Which is why you see quite large power transformers for certain equipment. [00:35:18] I think my older one is french made [00:35:40] I found no brand or numbers, most indicative was the magic eye tube which is french made from the late 40s [00:35:51] I guesstimate around 49 [00:36:23] the other is a super but 58, easy to find stuff on that one [00:37:07] ya I'd like to make a super... I know you can better out of a regen but a little unsure on the controls [00:37:41] making just the amplifier part should be somewhat easy if you know about tubes [00:37:51] no idea about the radio part tho [00:38:01] I've a detector tube... [00:38:17] one of the radio tube on mine is dead, the antifading I think [00:38:21] trips the breaker [00:38:23] seems lot of what I was able to salvage is mostly 12v [00:38:35] ah.. short [00:38:52] don't suppose you know if rectifier is tubes also or? [00:39:26] most of them have a simple diode tube and some self or capacitor to regulate the voltage [00:39:39] with a transformer of course [00:40:04] ya the transformer part is something I'm worried about [00:40:07] I think you need 6.3v for the heater filament, other voltages can vary more [00:40:45] my shop I used to work at, I found it easier to replace a transformer for a bag sealer than to just buy a new sealer, but it did cost a bit for a place to make a new coil [00:41:12] does it matter if its AC or DC? [00:41:21] for the heater? [00:41:24] ya [00:41:59] not so much, AC can induce some buzzing in direct heater tubes but DC is more of a luxury [00:42:09] but it doesn't matter for indirect heated ones [00:42:44] ok so either or.. mostly wanted to test, see if at least heaters working. Finding sockets or making going to be interesting [00:43:16] most sockets are standard [00:43:21] 7 or 9 pin ones, not sure [00:43:24] I know its just finding them [00:43:40] like the ones used for the 12AX7 or AL84 [00:43:54] btw it is a AL84 in both of my radios as power amp tube [00:43:55] I've two or three sizes.. the rectifiers are probably the biggest of them [00:44:07] 4.5w of output power, 9w for heating heh [00:44:11] 12AX7... see if I got one. [00:44:14] talk about efficiency [00:44:22] the 12ax7 run on lower voltage [00:44:26] double triodes [00:44:32] can run as low as 12v [00:44:48] most of what I got is 12v [00:44:49] I have a guitar amp with one [00:44:55] oh.. 12AU7 [00:45:05] it is a hybrid, 12ax7 as preamp for the sound and then a transistor amp [00:45:07] similar [00:46:46] anyways I need to go, I will try to get some footage of the radios tomorrow [00:47:05] Couple versions of fullwave rectifiers, RF/IF stage Pentodes, a 6AQ5 audio power output tetrode 10w output, 6T8 combined AM-FM detector, audio freq voltage amp. [00:47:31] ah ok.. all best then [00:48:49] I do have that https://youtu.be/XUGFxLwyPk8 [00:48:49] YouTube - hohoho [00:49:51] putting my fingers dangerously close to high voltage [00:49:53] always fun [01:33:20] do you reckon a lander for moho can also land on vall and tylo? [01:39:08] Vall probably, Tylo doubtful [01:46:43] well, the moho lander had some fuel left, i'm gonna give it go [01:51:16] Bear in mind that Tylo is 80% the mass of Kerbin. [01:51:37] I am a rebel, so I will wolf it in mind instead. [01:53:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:53:10] without attempting to do math, thats like 1500-1700 ms? [01:53:35] and i'd need some 500 ms for the decent [01:54:12] descent* [01:54:26] my head hurts [01:55:51] i could put the lander-satellite in a 30 km orbit around moho, it'll be ok [01:57:22] ;c sqrt(9.8*0.8*600e3^2/700e3) [01:57:23] UmbralRaptor: 2007.984063681781315 [01:58:03] if i understand this right i'm an effing genius [01:58:07] yes? [01:58:30] So for a 100 km Tylo orbit, you're moving at 2 km/s. [01:59:15] ;c sqrt(9.8*0.8*600e3) [01:59:15] UmbralRaptor: 2168.870673876153456 [01:59:58] 2169 m/s (nice) if you could do an orbit at datum without hitting a mountain. [02:00:14] Transfers are a bit more complicated. [02:11:43] haha, one straight burn from lift-off and i'm on an intercept with tylo [02:34:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:25:01] oh my god its 4 AM [03:32:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:01:02] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [07:01:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor ' by stormlight.esper.net [08:21:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:40:37] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [09:40:37] "For the first batch, 70% of the payment had been made in barter transactions with light industrial goods and food. Russian Federation argued that future transactions should be made in US dollars. In May 1995, Chinese Central Military Commission Vice Chairman, Liu Huaqing visited Russia and agreed to the term, on a condition that the production line of Su-27 be imported" [09:40:53] have food, want 4th generation fighter aircraft [09:41:16] sorry, we only accept enemy currency [09:41:50] hehe [09:45:39] also, "People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force" is still a ridiculous name [09:46:52] did the kerbal on the mun on the menu screen always dance? [09:47:08] i mean now i noticed twice that it soemtimes does some dance like movements [09:47:15] but not before 1.5 [09:48:41] Althego: don't think he ever moved [09:48:48] if there's a new animation included it seems kinda unlikely to be a prank mod [09:49:04] yes sometimes he moves [09:49:43] I vaguely remember the first time someone messed with the main menu [09:50:13] I think it was a mun landing hoax joke? [09:50:25] faked on duna? [09:52:56] Althego, I think they added some props to make it look like they're assembling (or failing to assemble) the set [09:53:04] hehe [09:53:18] how does the science stacking work exactly? what happens if i take a science bay measurement and start to take it back home, and before that result arrives i take an other measurement to take it back? [09:53:46] is the second one ignored because it is the same as the first or is it demoted once the first one arrives back? [09:54:11] Althego, whatever arrives second gets you the science for the second time [09:54:28] so it is decreased, not ignored [09:55:28] if it gives for example 70% per return, then the first would give 70% and the second 70% of the remainder I think [09:55:43] I wonder when it jumps to 100% [09:56:10] probably technically never, but after a while the return is too small to be shown as anythinb but zero [09:57:45] It does seem like it eventually rounds up to 100% tho [09:58:06] if nothing else, floating point precision will do that after a while [09:59:13] still no news on opportunity. it is sad. might have died this time [09:59:31] when the storm began i thought it would easily survive it [10:51:55] btw is there an airship mod for the current version of ksp [10:53:20] there used to be tbut that one died years ago [10:54:01] also are the mods that add custom buildings still alive [10:54:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:54:37] as in not space center building levels but entirely new structures [10:55:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:21:49] so I managed to get like at least 8 pressure and temp fluctuation contracts near KSC [11:22:19] good [11:22:25] the next ones will be far away [11:22:31] Nick Hague deserves astronaut wings [11:22:34] and or too high up to be usable [11:22:50] based on american tradition [11:23:07] dont worry he is going up anyway, just a bit later [11:24:13] nah [11:24:18] he should get them now [11:24:24] he hit American space [11:24:33] the one true definition of space [11:25:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:25:10] abolish the karman line [11:25:20] hehe [11:25:31] it is silly to uphold the notion of 100 km [11:25:47] because it moves constantly based on the conditions of the upper atmosphere [11:25:56] seriously tho, the karman line doesn't make sense, the FAI just chose it cause those darn frenchies like the number 100 [11:25:57] mote it to 200km then, just to be sure [11:26:08] move* [11:26:09] hehe [11:26:23] you want riots? [11:26:25] you cant complete an unpowered orbit realistically below like... 140 km [11:26:31] circular orbit that is [11:27:28] Fluburtur: why are your acronyms always backwards [11:27:46] we like it that way [11:27:48] NATO, ESA, IAF. [11:27:51] because of the structure of the language [11:27:54] cant do any of them right [11:28:04] "OTAN" [11:28:07] ew [11:28:23] to make you salty my dear [11:28:34] a tiny awacs is sitting there on my speakers with nato otan :) [11:28:55] blegh [11:29:19] think about it [11:29:26] NASA would be ASAN [11:29:33] that looks dumb [11:29:35] hehe [11:29:41] therefore French is dumb [11:29:45] America wins [11:29:54] OSIRIS-REx: xER-SIRISO [11:30:03] but then conspiracy theorist wouldnt be able to say nasha means deceicve in hebrew [11:30:41] Great! Let's invent a language where "ASAN" means "lie"! [11:30:52] nasha means 'ours' in russian [11:31:07] That's why it is American :P [11:31:20] I wish Russia released capsule footage from the failure [11:31:28] the astronauts looked like they had fun [11:31:32] yeah it'd be interesting [11:31:34] Hahaha [11:31:37] yes the transmission cut out instantly [11:31:42] we didnt see what happened inside [11:31:51] that last like 5 frame clip looked great [11:31:57] there was a story that last time that happened the audio log was destroyed by cosmonauts [11:32:03] you can see them get thrown to the side [11:32:08] I guess this transmission cut is a PR failsafe [11:32:19] the last toime in the 80s when the lauch escape system activated [11:32:28] yes [11:32:31] You know, if the astronauts would /not/ have had fun, you wouldn't want to broadcast it all over the world [11:32:34] Gasher[work]: they didnt destroy it, they turned it off [11:32:55] circuit breakers exist for oyur convenience [11:33:02] anyways [11:33:08] i am referring to that launch with of escape system [11:33:28] astronaut patch for Hague, he deserves it and he went to space, if only briefly [11:33:58] I know you are, in saying they didnt destroy the audio log, they turned off the recorders [11:34:05] I say, change the astronaut award thing for one complete orbit above 100km [11:34:06] i could fix this. you should only be able to get wings when you finished at least one orbit [11:34:19] um no [11:35:01] Fluburtur: how about you mind your own business and let america decide how it awards astronaut badges to its civilians and military members [11:35:05] yeah then it should not be wings if it orbited [11:35:15] go back to not launching frenchmen to space [11:35:23] hehe yes it shouldnt be wings, because of no air [11:35:45] Rokker, then award the president with honorary astronaut badge [11:36:09] I'm off to bed [11:36:18] 94 km is space [11:36:37] 50 miles is where it starts [11:36:58] only retards use miles :) [11:37:17] Rokker, space starts at 70km [11:37:39] nah, that's too low [11:37:47] and rokkerspace starts 1m around rokker [11:37:55] Althego: only retards using miles get to the moon [11:38:01] and win world wars [11:38:20] heh [11:38:30] Rokker, and make fail shuttles [11:38:36] hehe yes [11:38:41] i wanted to mention, in a similar accident [11:38:49] the shuttle would have killed everybody on board [11:38:52] the shuttle wasn't a failure [11:39:14] it took 40 years worth of launches for soyuz to match the shuttles safety record [11:39:27] you should have made it like Buran - no people on board - no casualties [11:39:35] umm 1700 launches... [11:39:38] completely pointless [11:39:49] Althego: the capsule dummy [11:40:03] if I included the rocket, its failure rate would be much higher [11:40:31] Gasher[work]: the buran was even more pointless than the shuttle [11:40:31] anyway as far as i know even nasa is on si internally [11:40:36] yes [11:40:45] cause it has a cockpit for no crew [11:40:54] Althego: these days [11:41:00] during the moon days it wasnt [11:41:02] Energia part seems to be the fault altogether [11:41:07] Rokker, it was supposed to fly both manned and unmanned [11:41:35] well unless they could have made it reusable [11:41:38] GlassYuri: I'm well aware, you forget that I was one of the more active space historians I this channel for a while [11:41:40] btw only americans have money for a failing fighter jet while their internal infrastructure is crumbling [11:42:15] GlassYuri: however if half of your flights are unmanned what is the point [11:42:28] you are carrying a cockpit for no reason [11:42:45] Althego: failing? [11:43:00] um excuse me but it's not failing [11:43:11] unless you read mainstream headlines and nothing else [11:43:15] like some pleb [11:43:17] Rokker, well a manned flight in a spacecraft that is not full of important looking instruments wouldn't feel nearly as cool [11:45:19] Althego: might I remind you the F-35 is winning contracts left and right [11:46:25] against a variety of aircraft like the super hornet and the eurofighter typhoon [11:46:42] Althego: it's not winning them cause its failing, bug [11:46:44] bud [11:46:51] which are older [11:46:53] Rokker, I took a picture of an aircraft https://i.imgur.com/Agpuhm5.jpg [11:47:08] failing because it took hilarious amount of money to develop [11:48:25] wow a plane designed to push the absolute boundaries of aerospace defense technology in basically every way possible took time and money to develope [11:48:28] wow [11:48:30] what a failure [11:48:50] you really need to learn how this whole "look at the bigger picture" thing works [11:49:22] Althego: you probably think a trillion dollars is the development cost or some ridiculousness dont you [11:49:36] yes bigger picture: usa is a militaristic oligarchy that functions as an imperium, needs to be at war constantly, and it is, like running 17 year old wars for no reason [11:49:57] ahem [11:50:01] well the old wars are still getting updates so why throw them away [11:50:19] APlayer: I dont mean to backseat but this sounds decidedly political now [11:50:51] Without fully reading the conversation, it looks grey-zone-y [11:51:05] he is right [11:51:31] But anyway better stay safe and move out of the grey zone :-) [11:51:46] Rokker, question, how effective are air to air missiles against various sorts of missiles? [11:51:48] I was keeping the conversation on the plane and you decided to turn it into an attack on America for no reason [11:51:58] I assume they could be used against cruise missiles? [11:52:36] GlassYuri: they could be, tho depending on the missiles i would question effectiveness [11:53:12] infrared guided missile, against a passing cruise missile from behind [11:53:17] Well, anti-nuclear strike missiles are a thing, so apparently it is better than nothing [11:54:18] anti-ballistic missiles seem specialized as heck though [11:54:30] GlassYuri: there is more to a missile than just infrared guidance [11:55:15] a proximity fused missile would be much more effective than infrared for example [11:55:36] also a lot of cruise missiles are so small I have to wonder how much heat they would actually out out [11:55:39] put out [11:55:45] ...are IR missiles not proximity fused? [11:55:52] they can be [11:56:14] I was under the impression that modern missiles would be mostly proximity [11:56:36] mostly yeah probably, but entirely? not necessarily [11:56:57] GlassYuri: also just looked at the picture of the aircraft [11:57:29] Rokker, then how would active and passive radar guidance do [11:57:56] also do I assume correctly that a cruise missile is unlikely to have the capability to actively evade? [11:58:09] GlassYuri: that's a nice little P-3, I need to see one in flight one of these days before they are retired completely [11:59:29] GlassYuri: I think the missiles could all be effective in the right circumstances, it's mainly the size that would make me think otherwise, but we know cruise missiles can and have been shot down [11:59:42] Rokker, there's a large shed right out of frame at the bottom, the first aircraft came over it with no warning and passed right over me with a lot of noise [11:59:58] followed by another one, I think that picture was the third of three [12:00:50] unsure how many as they did appear to come back around once or twice, but it seemed too fast to be less than three, and after the third sighting I think the interval was a lot longer [12:01:57] did a sharp and low 90 degree turn after passing over, I assume they were practicing landings as there was a base somewhere nearby [12:03:40] GlassYuri: yeah they were probably doing touch and goes or full landings/takeoffs. their flaps are down [12:05:06] P-3 is what the national hurricane center flies into hurricanes [12:09:43] I do not have any further pictures but from the file dates of other images it seems that I sighted them twice more in 35-47 minutes [12:10:28] not sure if those sightings were single aircraft or groups of two, I don't think it was three [12:13:14] anyways off to bed [14:44:56] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:59:02] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k2uKb9vCOI [15:59:03] YouTube - First 8K Video from Space - Ultra HD [16:03:59] third stick installed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/507947941772787712/DSC_0189.JPG [16:11:53] it is like a third wheel :) [16:18:22] hmm, a better looks https://twitter.com/KerbalSpaceP/status/1058108371088207873 [16:18:22] <KerbalSpaceP> The Mk 2 Lander Can is getting a face lift and a few surprises for update 1.6. Check it out! #KSP https://t.co/uZ3JuaqJ4y [16:18:41] i always thought it was hard to adapt this to a rover [16:18:49] now it can be a bit better [16:26:09] and the part shown last week in the tweet... i never use that, ok maybe i used it once [16:26:31] what's even the advantage of the 2-seat lander can over the 3-seat command pod? [16:27:03] hehem currently probably nothing [16:27:24] and i never particularly liked it because of its weight and hard to use shape [16:48:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485427078964183070/507959213029589012/gear_retracted.png [17:01:48] Stats wise probably nothing. Lower tech requirement? [17:41:58] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:17:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:17:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485427078964183070/507966460581380109/wheel_with_door.png [19:33:27] So I was "formatting" floppies with a hard drive magnet when I decided to do it the old fashioned way....and APPARENTLY the magnet made the format utility think the floppy was an old camera. it thought it was in the RAW image format. [19:34:16] not bad [19:38:29] can't imagine how that works... [19:44:08] look atht he weird improvised pirate pistol that dude has https://youtu.be/55bwuAy356E?t=37 [20:22:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485427078964183070/508012494174945301/gear_fuselage_2.png [20:22:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485427078964183070/508012505096781839/gear_fuselage_3.png [22:08:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:19:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:25:19] dear god the crafts on the workshop page are all terrible [22:27:14] How so? [22:27:31] Action: raptop guesses that it's because Steam has a lousy Isp. [22:27:31] https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1549062383 [22:27:37] =| [22:28:15] it has gotten slightly better over the time since the workshop was enabled [22:28:25] O_o O_O o_O [22:28:55] Action: UmbralRaptor h_i [22:30:11] petition to change vessels named "untitled spacecraft" to "untitled space crap" in the workshop [22:30:36] Hah [22:30:52] You need a space station to generate an object that would bear this name [22:30:55] (Please ignore that multiple instances of me are making confused faces) [22:31:22] ... [22:31:38] 😕 [22:31:52] Uwu [22:31:59] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Raptop [22:32:19] do they know how to use keyboards [22:33:31] Yes. The talons make touchscreens a pain in the cloaca, though. [22:33:51] ...I'm not sure if that violates the language rule. [22:35:36] I won't tell the moderators [22:36:38] Are raptor talons conductive? [22:37:11] I'm going to a hackathon in a few hours and still haven't bothered to put my server in its case yet [22:37:36] Whoever needs cases? [22:38:05] RasPIs come without cases. [22:38:21] Action: raptop should probably be all lower case with this nick [22:42:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:46:50] raspis a little underpowered for my use case :P [22:47:55] Action: raptop is messing around with a 32bit laptop for this bit of IRCing. >_> [22:50:06] Should be called raptopx86, then [22:52:03] I wonder how many 16 bit irc clients there are [22:52:22] https://pastebin.com/TnUuJFWN [22:52:37] because running an internet-connected app in realmode could never end badly [22:52:43] Action: raptop has 2 32bit laptops for reasons. [22:53:45] That laptop is just a tad slower than mine [22:54:13] I still have my laptop with an AMD E-450. terribly slow and power hungry though [22:54:18] In other news, recently I found out that I have a floppy drive in my laptop, and it made me happy :D [22:54:57] Technically the other laptop is slower than this one, but I think Debian runs better on it, so... [22:55:08] APlayer: DOS gaming? [22:55:22] Client: HexChat 2.14.2 " OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) " CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor (3.00GHz) " Memory: 15.9 GiB Total (9.8 GiB Free) " Storage: 2.6 TiB / 5.7 TiB (3.1 TiB Free) " VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti " Uptime: 2d 23h 56m 50s [22:55:49] should be 10TB but I'm moving data around [22:56:00] raptop, nah, it's a decommissioned workstation/office laptop [22:56:22] Got it for 15�, IIRC, and worked with it for a few years before getting an actual PC [23:07:15] Hrm [23:11:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:11:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:13:42] should probably update all my IDEs while at home on 100mbit wifi [23:20:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:23:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:23:10] Probably. [23:23:18] Action: raptop is going to suggest vim anyway. [23:24:08] *horrified* [23:26:27] I really hope the rails for toolless hard drive bays are standardized [23:28:07] https://xkcd.com/927/ [23:31:06] yah I don't think they are [23:31:42] turns out I *accidentally* had the ones compatible with my old case laying around [23:48:00] Rokker's bird https://i.imgur.com/IjqVdqJ.mp4 [23:48:43] nah my parrot just uses her beak to kill and maim