[03:47:04] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:29:51] old mccoco had a farm e-i-e-i-o, on that farm she had a duck, e-i-e-i-o... [05:39:23] With a shuba-shuba here, and a shuba-shuba there… [05:39:37] hehe [06:01:05] Action: UmbralRaptor really needs to remember that coco does things besides the meme review [06:19:20] ... so contract wants to land a base on minmus with 5 kerbals, including two pilots. At least its not asking for 4000 or so fuel [06:19:24] https://imgur.com/a/AzVrAZw [06:19:33] yes i hate those fuel contracts [06:19:39] dumbest thing ever [06:20:41] i wonder, can i delete hzd and keep all the saves. because i dont plan to play it for a while and it is 100 gigs or so [06:21:28] I just wanted to test flight the lander up into orbit.. really not sure if I'm going to use it though. I have another ship to push it out there [06:21:46] 100gigs.. ouch [06:22:08] what is left is the new game + mode, so basically a replay [06:23:24] heard about the game a little.. but was a while back [06:23:44] not sure was my sorta thing though. (not that I could play it on pc setup as it is anyways) [06:24:33] ok i clicked keep saves, and if it didnt that doesnt matter either [06:25:27] spent a lot of time/energy in the game I take it? [06:27:09] maybe two week [06:27:10] s [06:27:25] but i have to complete all side quests [06:27:47] even i am not crazy to collect everything. huge world and lot of tiny pieces of lre i didnt collect [06:28:06] but i collected all the collectible items for side quests [06:30:53] lol.. naming the lander 'Igloo' [06:31:00] cuz its gotta land on minmus so.. [06:31:26] how is that related to minmus? [06:31:35] maybe lander for eeloo and shaped like a dome [06:31:47] Althego ah.. you more a casual gamer or take gaming more serious? [06:32:12] i spent years playing only ksp [06:32:36] but after maybe five years i am more like a casual [06:32:47] so for the last two years [06:32:51] don't know.. guess Minmus makes me think mint ice cream? I'm having a hard time picking names for things these days. I was thinking some synonym for outpost or something, then started searching in other languages [06:33:22] i cant name them, so i name them based on function [06:33:51] KSP is like literally the only game on my PC currently. I did get skyrim for the 360 (friend sorta donated the xbox to me when he moved back to North Ireland some years back) [06:34:01] so like tourist 1 and 2, mun 1 and 2, mun tourist 1 and 2, etc [06:34:29] one of my first early landers I named 'Frog' or something.. I think even Spider was one [06:39:50] I try to be a little creative with the names, give it some thought. I don't want to do anything too far out there. Granted, did name one plane made with a truss section for a body 'twig'. [06:41:17] I think I kind of went through phases, as much as the game has, over the years. Being able to make things a little better helped also. Trying to come up with a name that either goes along with the function or 'personality' of the craft [06:50:17] i never had much creativity [06:50:29] but i enjoy the engineering aspect of the game [06:52:08] https://i.imgur.com/AIHD08U.jpg [06:52:34] hehehhe [07:04:09] but.. doesn't say if the same bug had also been bothering other people as well... I'm sure they may have collectively sighed as well. 'Finally, someone who fixed it!' [07:43:00] next week unsounded finally starts updating again. also hopefully ingenuity makes its first flight [08:27:45] zombanwa [09:11:43] They sure taking it really slow with setting up the little flier [09:12:13] lol.. almost like they acting nervous about it actually flying? -shrug [09:15:51] yes, falt earthers are going to complain as there is not atmosphere oin mars the helicopter cant fly :) [09:15:57] oh wait they already did [09:40:02] I hadn't noticed... news did show a pic to do with a pile of socks over there [09:40:08] april fools of course [09:42:03] eh well.. sleeps [09:51:48] https://scontent.fcae1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/167033311_4106337322759758_1295714252562475467_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=UpeyrdUjtrEAX_Fl6bU&_nc_ht=scontent.fcae1-1.fna&oh=79b48379be824dfb72793fd39dc595c6&oe=608C5263 [10:41:51] twitch engines on rotation servos are so incredibly multifunctional [10:49:40] Action: darsie waits for the DLC to become discounted on steam. [10:49:59] gog won't sell them to me without KSP. [10:50:31] i'll buy them on steam for you if you like [10:52:09] That would be odd. I have enough money. [10:53:10] i just think you'd really enjoy the robotics stuff lol [10:53:18] maybe [10:53:29] I don't play much KSP any more. [10:54:33] How about I buy one and you buy me the other? [10:55:41] kerbalspaceprogram.com won't sell them to me discounted. [11:01:14] heh i was listening to hardware unboxed and kfp music woke me up from a 3/4 sleep [11:02:37] Was it about KSP? I heard some sound tracks that KSP uses in other contexts. [11:03:01] kfp not ksp [11:03:22] Kerbal Fried Program? [11:03:30] ok, not a typo [11:03:48] from time to time i can notice ksp music in videos [11:04:04] those are basically incompetech royalty free tracks [11:04:26] there's a mod for that, too, to change the KSP in-game soundtracks (even situation dependent) [11:04:45] still haven't gotten around to play much with it, thoug [11:04:45] kikkeirkii [11:05:15] oh wow.. station, 11 kerbals, 4000 liquid fuel, 1000 monopropellant, class b asteroid -- around gilly [11:05:30] i got half a mind to accept it XD [11:05:43] Station "in" asteroid? [11:05:47] it would pull Gilly off-course ;) [11:05:52] haha yeah [11:18:38] licenceless sleepy bird is not a good driver [12:28:36] nice, just a few days to refuel with two large excavators [12:30:03] a phoneix is failing in mariokart, a dragon is failing in mario [13:49:40] an angry astronaut stream is coming up [13:58:56] and i am back to two parallel streams [13:59:17] luckily angry's deep voice is quite distinct from kiara's [14:06:09] https://guillotines.nl/media/big_orange_tank.png [14:07:12] i just need 300 science to unlock the parts for the big orange tank, then i can fly to jool once i get this craft and its habitation/snacks/fuel supply counterpart into orbit [14:19:49] i really hop the issue is not with the flip of starship. causing unsolvable sloshing making it impossible. because that would be a huge setback [14:20:54] in the beginning the header tanks are full, but in a a second there is already some possibility to for sloshing [14:28:02] https://i.imgur.com/4AIa04Z.mp4 [14:28:16] hehe [14:36:56] why do i have no telemetry on my eve rover, the relay is nearby! [14:37:17] if you turn on the green lines... [14:37:26] maybe there is no contact from the relay? [14:37:44] but why wouldn't there be if it can reach kerbin no problem? [14:37:54] that is more interesting [14:38:56] do i need a particular combination of antennae to be able to function as a relay? [14:39:42] yes [14:39:48] you need relay antennas [14:39:53] some can do both [14:39:59] normal comm and relay [14:40:16] some can just do comms or relay [14:45:35] how can you tell [14:45:46] in the description [14:47:16] is it enough to have 1 relay antenna to reach the probe, and 1 direct antenna to reach kerbin? [14:47:31] or do you need a relay that is capable of reaching kerbin and the probe? [14:47:43] i am not exactly sure [14:48:54] there is some complicated description in the wiki [14:49:59] at least i sent a ton of relay satellites to jool rather than direct comms XD [14:50:26] although the 'relays' i've sent to eve and duna weren't meant to function as such at any rate [14:51:07] well, the eve one was, but i didn't think about it [14:51:13] if they have relay antennas they can relay [14:51:51] any craft with any sort of relay antenna can relay from/to whichever point the craft can contact? [14:51:59] i think so [14:52:15] the normal antenan is needed for control [14:52:33] but there is some description in the wiki that in some cases the two can combine for signal strength [14:55:05] https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/CommNet#Connections_through_relays [14:57:07] "When considering the antenna power of your vessel, direct antennae and relay antennae combine to give you a 'Power' to calculate signal strength back to the KSC, however, if a different vessel is connecting through you to communicate with the KSC the direct Antennae are disregarded in any calculations made." [14:57:35] That last bit seems to indicate I need a relay antenna powerful enough to reach both the probe and Kerbin. [14:58:00] but in most practical cases the relay is strong enough [14:58:31] yeah, but that means i can't just a small deployable relay and a large deployable direct antenna [14:58:36] as i was intending on using [14:58:41] say hg-5 whic is the smallest and you are in low orbit with the relay sat in few hundred km altitiude, you can reach everything [14:59:01] that is how my orbital relays work [14:59:39] you can't use the comm 88-88 to amplify the hg-5 relay though [14:59:47] yes [15:00:18] but the hg-5 is not really good between eve and kerbin [15:00:32] yeah, especially if playing at 50% comm strength like i am [15:00:49] but its okay, the hg-5's will reach my massive jool relay consisting of 12 RA-15s [15:01:08] unless it is behind the planet :) [15:01:22] yeah, but the sat can still function as an additional relay for jool [15:01:34] after i use it to survey all the moons [15:02:53] i'm going to use the shuttle to deliver it to a polar orbit around jool [15:03:25] this is all a few months from now [15:06:09] i'm bringing upward of 20,000 snacks for what I think will be a 3 man crew [15:07:18] about 10,000 liquid fuel [15:12:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:40:32] ...GoG offered me a free game (Steel Rats) because I recieve their marketing emails sometimes o_O [16:07:59] What does this mean? "MechJeb module MechJebModuleMenu threw an exception in OnDestroy" ? [16:09:37] its a programming issue with mechjeb it looks like [16:10:09] I'm trying to understand the conflict it's having with ClickThroughDeblocker, and that's the clearest thing I'm getting in the crash log. [16:13:49] Well this is just plane/plain silly. Now it's not conflicting that I've reduced my mods to MechJeb 2, ClickThroughDeblocker and its dependencies. [16:16:18] Now begins the laborious task of checking what other mod may be causing the conflict. [16:17:37] thats always fun [16:17:48] sorry that I couldn't be more help [16:18:42] It's not your problem. Blame the Kraken. [16:28:19] Found it! It was StageRecovery, which is also the only mod I had with a ClickThroughDeblocker dependency. [16:33:58] And now I fixed StageRecovery: It was missing a brand new dependency that CKAN wasn't aware of. [16:34:15] what was it? [16:34:28] SpaceTuxLibrary [16:34:36] thx [16:35:42] Time to celebrate, AK-4- Er, SNACKS for everybody! [16:37:23] Now, finally, I can play KSP again the way it was meant to be played. With dozens of mods. [16:39:26] weird. I seem to have had it already installed [16:41:14] I'm guessing my problem stems from my tried-and-true method of manually installing from dozens of .zip files. [16:41:52] fun times [16:42:12] I've yet to move out of the Dark Ages of the 90's and into the 21st Century. I'm still using Netscape Navigator. [16:43:24] eh, somethings from the 90s are still going strong. emacs for example [16:43:34] And, allegedly, IRC. [16:43:51] Vim too, though neovim seems to be supplanting it [16:43:52] Honestly, that IRC is still around is legit surprising. [16:44:15] Though maybe everyone using IRC is, like, in their 90s and simply don't know how to Discord. [16:44:40] eh, its simple, easy to implement, client agnostic, and uses very little resources [16:45:38] Discord is like a mini-web browser, too. [16:45:44] Yeah, if there was a decent open-source client for Discord I'd be very tempted [16:45:52] But there isn't, so I'm not [16:46:37] In retrospect, given how popular Reddit is despite being more primitive than old message board systems, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised IRC is around. [16:47:08] also a tree view for the servers and channels would be nice. so I don't have to use multiple clicks to get to the channels I want [16:47:47] Alright, I thank you for allowing me to occupy your valuable IRC idling time! [16:47:56] no problem [16:48:14] I'm going to return to KSP and, probably, just end up caving in and getting the Elite Odyssey alpha. [16:48:50] idk if my 980 will be able to handle that. it already struggled with planetary surfaces in horizons [16:49:33] Wait, GTX 980? [16:50:00] Can that even run Solitaire? [16:50:13] lol [16:50:41] I'd think you'd need an upgrade, honestly, given that the settlements and the FPS parts will have a lot more clutter. [16:51:07] Lots more textures and lots more triangles. [16:51:16] I mean, at this point you can run a mid-sized IRC server on a potato [16:51:21] for that I need, a) income and b) to find a gpu in stock at a reasonable price [16:51:44] Yeah, its probably going to be a while before GPUs go back down in price. [16:52:15] Might I recommend simply blowing bases up with missiles and artillery to reduce the frame rate inhibiting assets? [16:52:22] lol [16:52:45] The RTX 2060, which is what I have now, is literally five times pricier than when I got it last year. [16:53:22] You could always play Elite 1984 in the meantime. [16:59:20] on Usenet, IRC is still seen as that new-fangled fast-paced chatty toy that nobody needs ;) [17:10:12] lol [17:10:37] IRC has outlived, so far, every other form of realtime chat. [17:17:25] nice, my jool mission has 1% comm signal at maximum distance from kerbin [17:19:11] video card availability is a joke [17:19:26] 980, that is just one generation older than the 1070 i have [17:28:42] launched in '14 IIRC? [17:32:38] I buy new graphics about every 10 years [17:32:56] the 2080S I bought last year will serve me for a long time to come, I hope [17:33:43] one of the worst value cards in retrospect [17:35:51] gsync does make the lower fps more bearable so long as it stays above 40 [17:36:25] I don't have a display with gsync, anyway [17:37:09] its worth it. nvidia gpus 10 series and newer usually will work with freesync as well I believe [17:52:17] I just use "vsync". the display does 75fps which is an odd number, though [18:02:29] "The Bill Nighy of space gamers" hurr (about Scott Manley playing Elite Dangerous) [18:02:44] oh, it's on sale. I might yet buy it [18:03:58] Hi packbart [18:05:13] packbart, Elite? [18:06:33] hello capital city of Gondor [18:07:02] delacy alpha lima tango, welcome to this federal facility [18:07:07] umaxtu: yes. https://store.steampowered.com/app/359320/Elite_Dangerous/ [18:07:33] although Scott seems to be playing the upcoming Odyssee thingy ( https://www.twitch.tv/szyzyg ) [18:07:38] $7.50 worth it for sure [18:08:43] yeah, I guess I'll add it. I still haven't gotten through Witcher 3 or XCOM 2 for that matter [18:10:31] what, i am not going to preorder a dlc [18:11:49] you get an alpha access and soundtrack with tthe deluxe alpha version [18:32:59] normally you would pay for beta testers, not the testers would pay for the privilege of playing a bugged not finished game [18:33:13] how much the world has changed [19:16:08] Test Rapier on a suborbital trajectory over the Mun: https://i.ibb.co/dkHCGsH/screenshot453.png [19:16:42] i think it is enough if you shoot it toward the mun [19:17:00] yeah, but I recovered it. [19:19:28] 30-40 km altitude was also required. [19:19:38] just have to time correctly [19:29:38] Ok, I crashe it :). [19:29:40] d