[00:18:04] Action: darsie optimized his 8x Klaw rocket for deorbiting stuff. It drifts a bit towards south during ascent, although it's totally symmetric on that plane. [00:23:45] Any idea why that rocket would drift south? http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot106.png [00:24:34] wobbles? [00:24:45] In the fairing? [00:25:12] I have extreme flexing under full thrust once the fairing is gone, but none with it. [00:25:35] o_O [00:25:37] Are you sure the mass is centered? It doesn't look like it [00:25:46] stock fairings add autostruts [00:25:48] lordcirth_: It's symmetric. [00:25:49] with fairing, not so much drag [00:25:57] without, all those claws on one side catches... [00:26:24] About the east/up plane [00:27:09] would it be possible to pair htem up, side by side, facing out? Would half the length of the rocket. Although, not sure if fairing can go wide enough around them [00:27:52] JVFoxy: Maybe, but that doesn't explain why it drifts. [00:28:14] I wouldn't like the wide fairing, though. [00:29:03] drifts because weight isn't centered... [00:29:24] How is it not centered? It's symmetric. [00:29:29] without shroud, easy to say the claw parts all on one side making quite a bit of drag [00:29:42] It drifts with fairing. [00:29:51] we still talk'n about screenshot106? [00:29:57] yes [00:30:32] It drifts towards the KSP banner. [00:31:00] VAB is a bit weird when it comes to building [00:31:27] when you build.. the direction of the doorway (east) is actually the right side of the build [00:31:35] yes [00:31:36] back wall of VAB is left side. [00:32:09] so when you turn your rocket to be belly or top facing towards door... sometimes it messes with the symmetry system [00:32:23] I have a different, very similar version that doesn't drift. Hmm, I could change it step by step till it drifts. [00:32:39] having claws all on one 'sector' of rocket, not exactly syemtrical [00:33:27] That's the east-west direction. Drift is ok there. I'm talking about drift towards south. [00:34:03] some reason KSP does that normally on slow launches [00:34:18] It's not slow. [00:34:29] 2.48 TWR. [00:35:02] Umm, that's vacuum. [00:35:06] still [00:35:18] 2.17 TWR in atmo. [00:35:24] going to guess because so many parts along the thrust line? [00:35:54] I believe KSP simplifies stuff inside a fairing. [00:36:02] To one mass point. [00:36:08] probably not enough bracing, all them connections, might cause top to sway off to one side [00:36:37] doing planes, I find it annoying, even though its perfectly mirrored, plane still wants to bank to side [00:36:47] turns out... slight aerodynamic glitch [00:36:48] Cause I get very strong flexing without fairing, but none with it. [00:37:26] found out... sometimes when you mirror parts on a central section, it doesn't carry the same 'body lift' to both sides, causes plane to do things [00:37:37] I guess I'd have to change my non drifting rocket to find the cause. [00:37:45] Hey, does anyone here have troubles being organized in ksp ? I never know what to name my crafts and it makes it very hard to find what i'm looking for [00:37:56] my guess.. its not anything you did, its just game being stupid sometimes [00:38:18] Dawson what you got? [00:38:41] JVFoxy: Yeah. Maybe the tilt at launch pad setup. But that usually only happens without clamps. [00:39:29] darsie you mirrored parts? maybe the game itself isn't mirroring something properly... like with my plane issues [00:39:37] JVFoxy is there any special way that you name your Crafts ? [00:40:24] Dawson I guess I'm a little influenced by NASA and other things? I try to be a bit original.. [00:40:26] JVFoxy: Not 'mirrored' but 'symmetry'. [00:40:37] Its usually a word.. sometimes a version or mk number. [00:40:54] Like the solar panels, struts, chutes. [00:40:58] darsie maybe even with symmetry.. I haven't tested in VAB [00:41:08] True I guess i'm just not a creative person when it comes to names lol [00:41:31] I just name everything like Duna Lander mk1 [00:42:32] dawson I did a target/booster vehicle... called it companion... the crewed vehicle was Journey... early version of said crew vehicle was called thumbtack, which was ironic. lacked RCS, but had to still dock to a target. I didn't realize how well the name fitted till later [00:42:59] duna lander crew or robotic? [00:43:15] Dawson: These are my craft names: https://pastebin.com/hgD9NwKQ [00:43:33] JVFOxy crew [00:43:50] if its work in progress, I usually define it by its purpose till I can figure out a better name I suppose [00:44:16] I got a plane, carries stuff, and the basestation hub part, I just called it Polar Station 1 [00:44:40] That works, i'm just a bit ocd lol [00:44:47] I need everything neat [00:45:02] Time to get drunk ... [00:45:10] lol [00:45:15] I did a craft that goes to mun/minmus from kerbin, carries a lander. Named it 'Carter', I was sorta thinking a little bit like it was a carrier of sorts [00:45:48] though I think mk2 or mk3.... mk1 was a very tiny version, more for testing the idea out [00:46:40] if you plan to do more than one mission to duna using that particular ship... could just give it a name then a number meaning which number in series has launched out there. [00:47:51] I'll try that [00:49:44] looking through a small archive I started a while back, hadn't really added anything more to sadly for a time. [00:50:29] spaceplane I made back in v1.05, named Hornet SP... looked like a version of the F-18 fighter but with bigger wings, engine pods on wings and rocket booster in tail [00:51:50] Mk2 fuse... 4 pas pod and docking... looking at some of hte other pics, I sorta miss my Dynafly now. I should try to see if it still works in latest version [00:52:26] maybe bring my dakota back too... for a long while, I kept messing with those two, trying to figure out what would work best, still avoiding the use of rapier [00:56:53] Hmm, the parachutes are not symmetryc. One short side has a different angle than the other. [01:26:33] Heavy fuel tank came down on two chutes at 9 m/s and broke. Contract failed. [01:27:06] 4.5 t [01:42:12] usually you need to be below 6m/s [02:00:57] mhm [02:21:22] 'tis the season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A62ek3yzTKg [02:21:23] YouTube - Cthulkha -The Carol of the Old Ones/_Së«’ÕKWf_ ç/Mnãíë [02:40:43] lol wut [02:44:01] Carol of the Old Ones, as sung by a vocaloid. [04:30:17] UmbralRaptor, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPQii0-A98c [04:30:17] YouTube - FF7 One winged angel music remake [04:34:36] nice [04:47:40] Action: UmbralRaptor should probably poke around OCRemix again sometime [04:54:42] The art is awesome too. Sadly they don't seem to have a 1080p version for wallpaper. [05:36:47] 4 launches within the next 48 hours [05:36:48] hype [06:28:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:28:42] when you wanna play ksp and minecraft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKwZVBNJRAc [06:28:43] YouTube - Minecraft Rocket Mod - Fly to The Moon! MOD SHOWCASE GALACTICRAFT [06:29:37] Yogscast playing that mod is what led me to KSP [06:30:10] oh no thunderbird got a design change [06:30:11] nice [06:31:18] soyuz in 5 hours [06:31:23] spaxec in 12 hours [08:21:46] if somebody in the space station takes a picture and wants to release it to the internet, are they uploading or downloading it? :) [09:50:43] https://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/devices/new-metalair-transistor-replaces-semiconductors [10:21:22] there is some stream already, but fullrussian :) [10:24:00] proper 480p24? [10:24:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfxsMVnokwQ [10:24:14] YouTube - LIVE LAUNCH OF THE SOYUZ MS-11 To the ISS [10:24:24] time to make a custom screw profile in fusion 360 [10:24:28] the capsule view seems to be live [10:24:42] just how do you come up with these idead [10:24:43] s [10:24:57] the software dosnt have the software thread [10:25:01] why would anybody want a vustom screw [10:25:10] Althego, what a foolish quiestions - the satellites have a higher orbit than the station so it's 'upload' :) [10:25:13] what did I say [10:25:21] it does,nt have the kodak thread [10:25:26] and I need to print that [10:25:27] but ultimately it goes down to earth [10:27:55] Fluburtur, custom? [10:28:08] yeah [10:28:43] what for? [10:29:04] to print female threads so I can slap stuff on a camera tripod [10:29:59] can't you like, buy a tap for that [10:29:59] It's nice to be able to sell 2 dollar parts for 40 dollars, hence custom parts. [10:30:16] hehe [10:30:17] yeah those parts are usually very expensive [10:30:24] that makes sense now [10:30:26] and I want to integrate them to custom parts as well [10:30:41] Anyone wonder how apple became so rich... [10:31:01] simple: by cheap sell expensive [10:31:08] and they do nothing else [10:31:29] "oh you seem to have a broken connector. That's a thousand dollar fix okthx" [10:31:34] exactly [10:31:46] and they aare trying t heir hardest to suppress 3rd party repair [10:32:12] then after a while they dont even fix, just force you to buy a new one [10:32:36] apple represents everything wrong in a company [10:33:33] but at least we can be grateful for apple that they moved the market away from fullhf [10:33:37] *hd [10:33:40] like, how to carve a marked and stay in it for decades, you mean? :D [10:34:09] so american stream started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0 [10:34:09] YouTube - NASA Live: Official Stream of NASA TV [10:34:27] They moved the market by buying oem displays and sticking them into a product? OK then. [10:34:28] the launch will be in an hour, right? [10:34:46] they forced other companies to use high resolution displays [10:34:53] in less than an hour [10:35:13] 56 minutes 40 secs [10:35:22] let's see if my custom thread works [10:35:30] it is made for only one specific size so it should [10:39:28] hm, the thread on the part i'm making is also non-standard: M15.96X0.75 [10:47:39] I cant be the first one to try makign a kodak thread in fusion [10:48:31] maybe you can even but it [10:48:37] some adapter thing [10:52:39] apparnetly, the 1/4-20 UNC under the ansi unified screw threads coms close [10:52:46] I will quickly print a test model then [10:56:22] all threads are compatible if you apply enough force [10:56:27] hehe [10:56:55] old siemens service wisdom: if you cant do it with force, apply more force :) [11:01:18] looks fresh in baikonour [11:01:36] what did you expect, december in continental climate [11:01:56] nice oxygen rich atmosphere around the rocket [11:02:30] smell of fresh oxygen in the afternoon :) [11:02:57] "nerds get to go to space" [11:03:09] nerd girl power [11:03:17] helicopter pilot [11:06:11] how did they go up to 13 people? not divisible by 3 [11:08:03] partial launches [11:08:13] they used to launch soyuz with only 2 guys [11:08:18] like the last one [11:08:39] poor american remained a space virgin :) [11:09:07] I have to go eat, hope I will be back before the launch [11:10:11] humans can survive without food for weeks [11:13:04] does anyone know how fast Hammock got nominated for this flight? [11:13:19] oh, wait, she's not on that flight at all [11:13:34] she's on MS-12, not -11 [11:20:55] what is that random radio station playing music in the stream? [11:21:08] or somebody is listening to a radio next to the camera [11:25:26] Althego: Not sure... but maybe the official music stream from the Russians? [11:25:45] And it's funny how the moderator is talking over it all the time :D [11:25:56] so they don't have to pay fees for it [11:31:23] 1 minute [11:34:05] damn, stream unstable [11:34:43] damn that stream is crap [11:34:45] heh no picture [11:34:59] last time i could see the korolev cross not forming [11:46:09] they are in orbit now, next up is the osiris rex arrival in 5 hours and 14 minutes [11:46:30] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:54:04] why is the stream not over? are they doing a fast docking? [11:56:02] in 6 hours i think [11:56:17] probably not streaming all that [11:56:29] maybe just the docking, the last hour [12:00:25] did I miss the launch? [12:00:33] did i miss lunch? [12:01:05] yes [12:01:19] already mrs launch :) [12:01:39] no worries watching it now [12:01:48] cant see anything [12:01:58] the live image didnt even show booster separatio [12:01:58] n [12:16:15] the thread I found works good [12:16:25] needs to be worked a bit because of tight tolerances tho [12:19:37] " humans can survive without food for weeks" <- "unfortunately" there's more things to living than just surviving [12:24:51] food weeks water few days oxygen minutes [12:25:03] internet, seconds :) [12:25:08] without space, zero second [12:36:22] Althego: they're doing a fast dock [12:38:35] I'm eagerly awaiting January 7/8th [12:39:04] and I hope they get everything done by then. First demo flight will be really interesting [12:50:00] I have been messing a bit with the rc motor calc [12:50:14] found a combo that can push 317kph of static pitch speed in theory [12:50:52] have they solved the ISS return pod problem yet? [12:55:02] which problem? [13:17:16] I believe it's called "launching another soyuz", isn't it? [13:21:23] Mat2ch: when that launch failed, there was talk about maybe them having to leave the ISS empty, as the docked return pod's fuel degrades and was only good until december [13:22:15] Eddi|zuHause: oh, I'd say that they can leave in time now [13:26:38] I guess they feared that the problem couldn't be found fast enough and then the crew from expedition 57 would have to stay longer, to keep the station running [13:28:58] uh weather is rather bad here [13:29:02] wind and rain [13:30:21] "Beware of boredom! New games now on GOG.COM" uuuh wording? [13:36:36] beware [13:37:02] what's wrong with the wording? [13:37:20] "dont be a square, be a cube" [13:39:44] good new games [13:54:23] Fluburtur: finally rain here [13:54:33] but we need more after this dry summer [13:54:40] I wish we had good weather here [13:54:55] or at least snow so I can build a snow plane [13:55:09] snow plane? [13:55:14] I wouldn't mind having my own plane [13:55:20] hehe [13:55:21] with skis [13:55:30] ah i thought made of snow, like snow man [14:02:31] finally sun here [14:03:02] isnt it oracle? :) [14:03:22] n billion devices run java! [16:12:05] ok, osiris rex in few minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0 [16:12:05] YouTube - NASA Live: Official Stream of NASA TV [16:12:26] btw isnt the docking happening right now? [16:12:43] i think it's a bit later [16:14:23] start of broadcast: 20:00 (now it's 19:13), docking on 20:35, accordi ng to TsENKI site [16:15:02] this is bad, because the bennu thing is at the same t ime [16:16:51] but if not, it will intersect with the spacex launch [16:27:47] "why? because we can" [16:46:50] so it begins [16:47:00] with out of sync audio :)Ö [16:47:33] i dont expect an hour long burn as with cassini [17:05:04] this osiris rex stream is surprisingly underwhelming [17:14:25] docking broadcast on [17:14:50] link? [17:15:10] ah here it is [17:15:40] did they cut the bennu stream with the soyuz? [17:15:45] yes [17:16:32] so where are they going to put the crs-16? they are almsot full [17:17:47] they say there is no sound stream from the ship [17:18:29] what the crape is a statue mile [17:18:36] hehe [17:18:39] who knows [17:18:39] also, first time I see a docking live [17:18:47] cant they say 400km like normal peoples [17:18:52] btw, did the astronaut chickened out of the expedition after the aborted launch? :D [17:18:58] there are like a dozen kinds of mile [17:19:01] so who cares [17:19:19] Gasher probably physical exam because of unplanned 7g reentry [17:19:24] hehe no, even at that time it was said they are going up in a later flight [17:19:58] statued mile is probably the normal american mile [17:20:44] Fluburtur, well flight commander is still the same [17:21:13] he is in ms-12 [17:21:14] ignorant americans are probably even unaware that there are other miles [17:21:42] I guess 7 g for what, 30 s?, is an interesting experience. They probably trained that. [17:21:43] "statute mile was made equivalent to 8 furlongs or 5,280 feet in 1593" [17:21:51] that part alone is funny [17:22:20] how many grain is that? [17:22:32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-12 [17:23:03] hehe there is a survey mile too [17:23:33] "In the United States, statute mile formally refers to the survey mile,[3] but for most purposes, the difference between the survey mile and the international mile is insignificantone international mile is 0.999998 U.S. survey milesso statute mile can be used for either." [17:24:12] i would like them to show the approaching soyuz from the iss [17:24:17] i like to see the rcs work [17:25:39] speaking of seeing from the outside, did the mars minisats manage to film the insight landing last week? [17:25:52] nah, they took pictures of mars [17:26:00] oh they show that [17:26:08] no way that camera could make that high resolution picture [17:26:10] i mean, from the station [17:26:37] i wondered why not try to use curiosity to watch for the parachute [17:26:53] is that even close? [17:27:02] but supposedly one of the orbiters tried to snap the parachute. since we havent seen that, it probably missed it [17:27:16] curiosity is a few hundred kms away [17:27:23] at least the plasma would have been visible [17:27:40] with that it was the closest to the landing [17:27:52] They could have synchronized the orbiters with the landing. [17:28:14] sure, i regularly look out the window and see some parachute come down near berlin (160km away) [17:28:16] one is transmitted stuff, 4 hours later. and because of t hat they had the marcos [17:28:40] Hmm, maybe the inclination or argument of periapsis was unsuitable. [17:28:57] add to that, that unlike earth, mars is actually curved. [17:29:07] hehe [17:29:11] at least curved more [17:29:51] but at least as a nerdgasm picture they could have looked for the plasma trail of the aeroshell [17:30:44] hehe, where is the rcs firing? [17:30:49] space is fake [17:30:51] i knew it [17:31:21] i'm imagining it would be difficult to program a camera to find track the object entering the atmosphere [17:31:29] they dont need to [17:31:36] they knew exactly where it was going to be [17:31:44] that is how they planned the landing [17:32:03] that is how they took parachute pictures from orbit for previous landers [17:32:25] yeah, but what are the error margins on that? [17:32:57] i dont know. it is hard to make that picture [17:33:00] but can be done [17:33:52] is there a good algorithm that could launch me straight into rendezvous with a specific target, using the least amount of fuel possible? [17:33:53] the field of view of the camera must be larger than the error margin [17:34:23] if it isnt, then there is no picture. just as now [17:34:27] and also to 2. convert from any orbit into a rendezvous with a specific target? [17:34:29] goblin: mechjeb? [17:34:42] meanwhile there was a capture [17:35:12] soon there is time for the spacex stream to start [17:35:19] afair mechjeb wasn't as smart, but OK, I'll give it another try [17:35:48] Althego, link to spacex launch? [17:35:55] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq8kS6UoOrQ [17:35:56] YouTube - Spaceflight SSO-A: SmallSat Express [17:36:11] i have to wait for the deployment [17:36:19] 64 sats, that has got to be a sight [17:36:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:41:37] so the russian on ms-10 was aleksei, the russian on ms-11 is oleg [17:41:40] so htey are not the same [17:41:54] in fact aleksei is on ms-12 too [17:42:36] oh ,then i misread that all [17:42:59] well let's say they both chickened it :) [17:45:47] Eddi|zuHause, and whereabouts in MechJeb would I look? :-) [17:46:18] it seems to have plenty of small algorithms, to transfer, to match velocity, etc - but not an all-in-one solution that'd optimize my fuel from the launch [17:47:08] (although some modules are disabled until I unlock them in R&D, apparently) [17:48:17] for starters, I've no idea how to launch into a given orbit :-) [17:48:36] wait until kerbin rotatesalmost under it [17:52:46] Althego, uhm, but... how do I know where it is? :-) [17:52:58] you see it in map view? [17:53:16] by "given orbit" I mean "orbit with given ArgPe, inclination, Apo, Peri and the other 2 thingies" [17:53:35] but if it is a contract orbit it should be visible in the map [17:54:05] yeah, but it's not, I'm just trying to dock with a guy who's on a weird orbit [17:54:27] then it is a craft, it should be even more visible in the map [17:54:30] I mean OK, I can judge it by eye, but I'd rather have it all scripted :-) [17:54:48] hence "looking for an all-in-one algorithm" ;-) [17:55:51] however, that is actually helpful to do it manually the first time. But how do I pick the heading? [18:06:58] ok, just found "Launch to Rendezvous" in MechJeb2's "Ascent Guidance". It launched me into a very weird direction, and when I got out of atmosphere, scheduled a 2700m/s nearly-normal burn that rotates this orbit by 90 degrees [18:07:12] that's... not quite what I'm after ;-) [18:07:32] lol [18:10:02] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9LuVBfwvzA i think he convinced me [18:14:34] some music is on the stream [18:15:45] you cant beat spacex in how they visualize the launches with all the cameras [18:16:51] Althego: Kirchhoff always holds. :P [18:17:05] walter lewin syas otherwise [18:17:20] see the other videos in the description [18:17:34] I've seen that. I think he's just wrong [18:17:54] yes now it is clear he does not include the voltage generated by the induction [18:18:43] Ehm [18:18:55] that's what I thought the first time I saw ElectroBooms video... [18:19:15] he convinced me in the first video too [18:19:24] but i watched lewin's lectures years ago [18:19:31] so now refers to the past few weeks [18:19:59] a 3rd time booster [18:20:02] man is it dirty [18:20:22] why bother makeing it white [18:20:28] make it brown in the beginning :9 [18:21:05] wait, there is stream from mr steven? [18:21:13] fancy [18:21:19] at least this one wont cut out [18:21:23] hehe [18:21:26] unless the fairings have boosters [18:21:31] tehy have rcs [18:21:40] propulsive fairing landing [18:21:50] after they re-assemble in space [18:22:03] funny thing that the first capture of that fairing rcs was done by reds rhetoric, who is an anti flat earther [18:22:29] why dont they bother cleaning it a bit? [18:22:39] sure the dirt has more drag [18:22:41] they give the intern a toothbrush [18:22:47] hehe [18:22:59] probably not that bad if they leave it [18:23:05] just blackened paint [18:23:37] this poor lady can't talk [18:23:40] yes [18:23:57] but why 1 ship for two fairing halves? [18:24:09] I guess they aim both at the ship [18:24:18] and expect one to fail [18:24:26] no, the rcs just keeps reentry orientation because they are unstable [18:24:32] they dont want to build another ship and not use it if it doesnt work [18:24:40] that is more logical [18:25:07] looks like it should glide a bit [18:25:10] like a brick [18:31:31] what is this mythical countdown net? [18:31:39] there is an alternate view calledl iek it [18:32:58] as usual 100k watching [18:33:16] even though elon said he wanted to make the returns boring [18:35:26] Very boring. [18:35:42] cameraman is drunk [18:37:03] ehehe these kinds of videos rule [18:37:10] There goes the fairing [18:37:22] as you can see how the booster turns back and flames hit it [18:37:50] hehe we could see the boostback ending by those wires [18:37:55] Yeah [18:38:13] hehe see the curve [18:38:21] whatever fake cgi :) [18:40:45] wow that entry burn view is quite amazing [18:41:22] why do they use satellitel ink now? [18:41:28] they are like 40 kms away [18:41:30] no need for that [18:41:43] lazy to set up a new network [18:41:54] we have external coverage anyway [18:42:20] right on the spot [18:42:23] and it booped ont he ship quite nicely [18:44:00]