[00:19:40] oh hi there [00:23:19] blep [00:26:51] blep, it's like pleb but less Roman [00:27:04] eh... [00:28:32] Action: JCB face-palms while trying to find a pic... [00:28:33] https://i.redd.it/lqscwhijuspz.jpg [00:34:43] ugh good thing I hadn't started recording... -dragged off to help room mate with something, sigh... [00:36:19] external command seat, does navball prograde point the same direction kerbal is facing? [00:54:37] that pic is some goooood blep action [00:56:17] wow, Rover didn't lie when he said that compressin the Contruction docking ports could wake the Kraken [00:59:11] KSP, where the speed of light can be done by unplanned explosions [01:07:19] Are there also slow or thorough saves? All I ever see are quick saves. [01:09:08] MOD-F5 [01:09:19] you can rename your saves and have more then 1 [01:09:51] also, I believe KAC can be configured to save before each scene load [01:10:02] so dv map says duna is 1450dv to make orbit, that's not my experience so far :P [01:13:27] I'm not even making it with 1900dv, hrm [01:15:59] taking huge drag losses [01:16:38] same map says 3400 m/s for orbit around Kerbin [01:16:52] I can make kerbin orbit in 3400 dv though [01:16:59] I can't [01:17:30] usually takes me more because of the lower ground ISP [01:19:01] hrm [01:19:10] now I need to figure out what I'm doing wrong or change lander design [01:20:33] according to KER I shouldn't be losing hardly any engine efficiency from duna's atmosphere [01:21:09] 3.3m/s is and 0.209kN of thrust is all I lose at sea level on Duna [01:21:16] and I landed at an altitude of 3km [01:23:34] *sigh* [01:23:58] I used Contruction ports to make sure things were aligned to 90 degree angles... [01:24:38] except for one port... which I already compressed... [01:26:07] so I think it's drag losses, though I'm not sure why I'm getting such huge drag [01:44:18] madmerlyn whats wrong? [01:44:54] trying to make orbit on this Duna lander I made and even with 1930dv it's not getting anywhere close to orbit [01:44:58] madmerlyn: lander is small, right? [01:45:03] yes [01:45:05] madmerlyn: and lander has horrible aerodynamics, right? [01:45:08] this is your answer [01:45:21] you are trying to orbit a feather, relatively speaking [01:45:24] you following your vector or you trying to force it over? [01:45:38] I've tried a ton of different ascent vectors heh [01:45:50] got a pic? [01:45:52] you would be surprised how much normal little lander parts add drag [01:46:01] especially with small crafts [01:46:38] 1450dv assumes a streamlined rocket, not a something with 100x things attached to it [01:46:54] I was trying to land on the mun a few times with 700dv.. I only needed 580 exactly.. I still was running out of fuel. granted its airless but what the problem was my correction vectoring was eating up dv [01:47:29] depends on how you mounted those things to your craft.. part clipping does cut back a little I think [01:47:42] on the flip side, parts clipping has been known to cause krakkens [01:48:03] part clipping has been known to cause low fps [01:48:18] this is the main reason i unclip to have a small airgap [01:48:31] for me.. fps drop usually caused by parts count rather than clipping [01:48:38] this way it stops constantly calculating something and fps jumps to the sky [01:48:54] most radially attached boosters are affected [01:49:17] this is a very easy way to drastically increase your launch fps - airgap all radial boosters [01:49:28] it also depends on how good a system you've got.. whats in the background [01:49:30] and preferably all radial things on your craft [01:49:49] i usually don't do big craft anyways [01:55:33] alright made a much larger lander that still fits in the challenge parameters that should be aerodynamic [02:03:07] ok that worked a lot better [02:07:52] course with it being more aerodynamic I had to use more engine to not crash on landing :P [02:10:08] ya well.. tradeoffs [02:10:21] maybe consider airbrakes? [02:10:42] I don't think that's allowed [02:11:00] and what exactly is the challenge parameters? [02:11:35] https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7nocmw/weekly_challenge_week_149_roads_to_duna/ [02:11:46] airbrakes are allowed, but possibly heavy [02:13:07] Well... the new Space Hotel is officially Open [02:13:10] it needs a name [02:13:23] I don't see anything saying airbrakes aren't allowed... its a stoke part [02:13:25] er stock [02:13:46] but each 1 is 50kg :/ [02:13:58] I'm already using a parachute to cut down the velocity [02:14:14] also airbrakes are HUGE compared to my lander heh [02:14:42] Hello, again! Again, hello. [02:15:21] well there are big airbrakes, then there are the little control surfaces which can be made to act as airbrakes if done right [02:15:49] I'll sometimes use sets on my aircraft to help slow it down.. even act like flaps, though I think KSP gets weird on them sometimes [02:19:24] Should I go with 'Orbits Inn' or 'Super 8000' [02:20:38] Or maybe even 'Rent-a-Space' [02:20:47] Orb-i-shack [02:21:17] .... space closet..? [02:21:42] I have a hard enough time trying to come up with a name for my LKO or munar orbit stations [02:22:34] Orbit Estate Space & Spa [02:23:01] Orbitside Resort [02:25:28] keep wanting to do an orbiting mun shack.. [02:26:39] JCB: I have Tourism+. A Kerbin Space hotel is one of the main contract [02:27:09] I also have to a a 100kerbal-with-4-asteroid-space-casino [02:27:50] 'Where your money has all the weigh' [02:28:54] not really a hotel.. I had a bunch of tourists wanna go around the mun in one go.. [02:29:09] >_> oh.. that ryhmed [02:30:29] anyway. While the hotel is 'opened' it's not 100% operational: it lacks any supplies for now [02:31:41] And a new contract was generated: bring 37 tourist to our Space hotel: Exosphere Inn [02:31:43] kerbals vs classic space lego.. mini figures... or something [02:32:25] madmerlyn: I'll need a good spaceplane to carry 37 kerbal to 350km... any suggestions? [02:32:42] stock or are OPT wings + Mk4 ok? ;) [02:32:57] .. stock [02:33:58] OPT should really be named OP-Tech [02:34:22] this might do it, swap the nose out for a shielded docking port and stick a mk1 can inside the service bay https://kerbalx.com/madmerlyn/Gallahad-LC-XL-Mk1 [02:34:32] Anyway, I barely have Mk2 plane parts unlocked. I need MORE SCIENCE [02:34:33] and I don't use the OPT engines, just the wings :P [02:34:45] oh well 37 kerbals on mk2 is no small feat [02:35:39] I'll have to do several planes [02:36:20] I swear KER doesn't understand multipart vessels at all sometime [02:37:02] add a tank to this craft, of which 1.125/1.6 tons of it is REACTION MASS, KER estimates my dv drops by 1400 [02:43:58] alright I think I have mission planned, but I'll deal with it tomorrow [02:45:13] that test does have me wondering if my rover bay on the bottom of my Lockheed style lander is going to cause drag losses on Duna.. although it has a LOT more mass than the lander I was just using [02:45:21] interestingly, my probe heading for Jool is relaying its' signal through the probe heading for Eeloo [02:51:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:07:26] Hello... [03:08:01] Hi. How are you? [03:11:04] Everyone has become so quiet. [03:14:44] hello.. [03:14:45] kinda here [03:15:08] rwar..? [03:15:39] Hi... You wouldn't know of a welcoming channel, would you?.. [03:16:48] I'm in need of a conversation, and I can't find one anywhere. [03:17:30] suppose I should eventually stick in a proper irc client.. I've just been using the web based one off the squad/ksp site. actually, I never closed the tab since finding it. [03:17:48] otherwise.. it probably be a lot easier to go digging through the channels [03:17:50] Hexchat [03:18:22] Thanks, Madmerlyn. ^^ [03:18:32] that's an IRC client, not a channel [03:18:58] I might just grab a copy of mIRC off my other machine or something.. eventually [03:19:05] Ah, okay. [03:19:19] :/ [03:19:55] I am very new to this, apparently. (I've only heard of three places now. Freenode, Hexchat, and....forgotten name.) [03:20:45] freenode is an IRC network, this is Esper [03:20:53] Hexchat is software to connect to IRC with [03:21:42] this channel specifically is mostly about Kerbal Space Program as well as RL Space Exploration in general [03:22:23] on that note.. SpaceX is launching Zuma payload on Friday [03:22:23] as well as the odd occasional silliness on just about any random thing it seems [03:22:28] Alright. (I'm completely clueless in IRC subjects, as well as any video/online games.) [03:22:44] madmerlyn correction. The /mysterious/ Zuma payload :P [03:23:16] what got you looking for chatrooms? Just bored? [03:23:42] apparently us Canadians is gearing towards getting our own launch facility over on the east coast, to be finished sometime by 2020 [03:23:46] A friend invited me. [03:24:36] I haven't seen the person in a while, so I branched off from what little I knew. [03:25:26] I'm here for the people. Conversation, [03:25:36] *people and conversation. [03:25:49] eh well.. can't have one without the other... [03:25:53] unless you like talk'n to yourslef [03:27:08] I don't particularly enjoy it, but it can be relaxing. [03:27:50] madmerlyn: do we have more info on Zuma? [03:28:07] if you ask Alex Jones it's a mind control satellite I'm sure [03:28:51] who knows though, secret US Government launches are always hard to make sense of as a civilian [03:29:01] I meant conversation; something more than polite greetings and small topics. [03:29:28] just that its for NRO... [03:29:37] it'll be low orbit.. they guessing spy sat [03:29:40] I really still don't understand what you're looking for, we have conversations here.. about space. [03:30:13] Alright....thanks. [03:30:45] sigh [03:31:44] smells a lot like catfish [03:31:44] JCB: we should annex the Turks and Caicos Islands and put the launch site there [03:32:11] meh.. I"m quite happy for having a site on our own lands [03:32:23] churchill used to launch sounding rockets.. [03:32:39] I've actually been up there for a little over a week some years ago.. mostly for the polar bears though [03:33:02] I live in the US, we have multiple launch sites :shrug: [03:33:18] faclity had something like 1mill btu heating.. but also 1/2mill btu for cooling of the 60-70's era computer gear [03:33:38] I want to get to the cape when they do the first crewed Mars launch [03:33:43] bucket list item [03:34:44] madmerlyn: hard to launch north of the 49th [03:34:57] not impossible, just a bit harder [03:35:20] the cape is only 28 degree latitude? [03:35:29] I'm talking about Canaveral [03:35:51] something like that [03:36:10] ... not hard [03:36:20] I know France uses their Oversea territories for the launches, for the same reason [03:36:55] I'm fairly confident the next crewed launch beyond LEO is going to launch from Canaveral [03:36:56] mind you.. denmark launches with a sub and floating platform on the seas between sealand and bornhlm [03:37:36] unless China just blows everyone's mind by going Lunar out of nowhere [03:37:51] there's been talk about us canadians building our own launch system... problem is.. politics. ugh >.< [03:38:23] I'd think it'd be more likely you'd launch from Canaveral too though wouldn't it? [03:39:00] easier to use existing facilities [03:39:12] not to mention it's a lot closer to the equator [03:39:29] you all could do polar launches just fine up there though [03:39:42] in the summer time [03:39:43] don't know... all I know is there's already been work started on an east coast Canadian launch port [03:39:59] maybe its a push from being reliant.. [03:40:31] JCB: There's lot of empty space, that's for sure. Any issues would be in low population area [03:41:07] could hire the pegasus launch system [03:41:37] though, payload is a tad limited.. we already had a couple of our own homegrown sats launched on it [03:43:55] anyway, I'm calling it a night, had enough "polite greetings and small topics" for one night, lol [03:45:02] k.. lates [03:46:10] bye [03:47:24] I'm still trying to remember the name of that company that want to do launches from NZ [03:48:19] Forgot to bookmark Scott after installing new browser so I've missed out on a month of videos. [03:50:33] bluh... doing this direct ascent to meet up with this in orbit part proving more difficult... [03:53:48] I''ve never managed a direct ascent to rendezvous. [03:56:04] I got it a few times... [03:56:42] don't remember if it was via spaceplane or rocket... its a little tricky because you have to account for the in orbit's speed, how fast your launch goes, and having the right amount of lead time [04:04:41] ve2dmn: rocket lab? [04:08:25] Would it make sense to use a sub-optimal ion thruster for ISS stationkeeping? For example using argon because it's cheaper. [04:09:34] ... so not the Vasmir? [04:09:46] I don't know if that's deployed yet. [04:09:47] er... Vasimr.. [04:09:57] I think it's still in testing. [04:10:25] they were talking about eventually using it, along with some lithium-ion battery tech [04:10:34] The VF-200 flight-rated thruster consists of two 100 kW VASIMR units with opposite magnetic dipoles so that no net torque is applied to the space station when the thruster magnets are working. The VF-200-1 is the first flight unit and was slated to be tested in space attached to the ISS. [04:11:04] ya... kinda crazy when you gotta counter magnetic torque.. [04:11:43] UmbralRaptor: not sure [04:12:33] As far as I can tell it's not in use yet. [04:12:42] I mean production use [04:15:38] Powerful superconducting electromagnets, necessary to contain hot plasma, generate tesla-range magnetic fields[9] that can cause problems with other onboard devices and produce unwanted torque by interaction with the magnetosphere. [04:16:09] I know microsats use magnetic coils to help with turning in space [04:16:30] Only works on planets with magentic fields. [04:17:02] Still neat [04:17:17] That limits it to earth and jupiter I think? [04:19:02] think some systems use gravity gradient to help orient stuff... like the LDEF back in the old days [04:19:05] theoretically, you can create planetary magnetic fields if you want [04:19:06] so... [04:19:09] it was expected that the VX-200 engine would have a system efficiency of 6065% and thrust level of 5 N. Optimal specific impulse appeared to be around 5,000s using low cost argon propellant. [04:20:42] No idea if they actually mounted the thing to the ISS. Everything is from 2008 and nothing about it actually being there. [04:20:47] dang it wiki.. now I'm looking up things spacey [04:21:32] and dead links to the citation for the vasimiriss thing [04:21:48] how do you flag a dead citation? [04:23:07] 2015.. wiki saying the ISS may not be ideal testing platform for the VASIMR.. [04:23:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:24:54] also states that ISS only produces 200kw extra power.. may have to trickle charge a battery pack and run the engine for no more than 15 minutes at a time... mind you.. that might be old info too [04:25:41] It's a 200kw unit they were planning on using. [04:25:41] what's the stated max life for the ISS? [04:27:17] wiki says it shoulda been dead back in 2016 [04:27:33] ve2dmn: there isn't necessarily one [04:27:57] so far.. things are good to go at least till 2020 [04:28:06] JCB: 2024 [04:28:16] They overbuild the crap out of stuff. [04:28:49] Blaank: because replacements and repair price are out of this world [04:29:08] Well the cost to built this overbuilt stuff is equally high. [04:30:16] some of the parts, can be referbished in space.. [04:30:43] there was talk about returning stuff back ot Earth but currently with shuttle out of commission, only option is to just keep it in orbit [04:31:49] could force a deorbit but with russia's help, its a lot of hardware to come down. There is also the international co-operation side of things. With skylab it was just USA only.. so only they had to worry about what happens [04:31:52] Yeah, the shuttle did have that going for it. It could return some stuff. [04:32:42] there's a lot of talk about what to do, some ideas floating around was pulling off some of the parts, rebuilding it into another station. disposing of some of the older parts [04:32:47] I can only imagine the headache to replace just one of the O-Rings in the handles to open and close the shutters on the Cupola [04:33:16] ve2dmn seal off the cupola, pull it off, make the repair.. [04:33:44] chances are.. there's a couple of o-rings in place as backups. video I saw, says they only dealing with 7lbs pressure [04:34:46] You would probably have to close off the whole tranquility module... which means no toilet for the enterity of the repairs [04:35:07] They only have one toilet? [04:35:58] no .. two [04:36:11] and no.. the cupola can be removed with affecting the whole moduel [04:36:31] a panel gets placed in the port its connected to, like all the other ports [04:37:13] when they show you around, each of the 'door ways' you can see tracks on either side. There are panels that slide down, closes sections off. [04:40:25] last time I was to KSC, the ISS wasn't a thing :/ [04:43:18] :3 [04:43:53] you thought elon musk had big plans... [04:43:56] article from 2015... [04:43:57] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3030087/Could-300-billion-space-mushroom-replace-ISS-Giant-rotating-station-create-artificial-gravity-astronauts.html [04:44:15] hahahahahahhah what the heck is that? [04:44:41] I was looking up pics for the isolation door panels on the ISS, a pic of this thing shows up in google image search [04:45:10] The ISS has to nucleate Valerian's City of a Thousand Planets. [04:45:17] I don't knwo if its a joke... someone toking one too many, or ... [04:45:23] The only reason you want gravity is if you plan to return to earth. [04:45:37] People can't seem to grasp that spacers can exist. [04:46:00] There are other reasons. [04:46:04] think the concern is.. want to return people, but not have the ill effects [04:46:13] Once you get over the initial bone loss you don't get kidney stones. [04:46:46] been some talk about if we do interplanetary, or evne interstellar, there is a chance a new version of humans end up getting created in the proccess [04:46:54] or.. would they still be humans? [04:46:57] It won't be a new species. [04:47:01] Trees in greenhouses will die if you don't shake them to simulate wind. [04:47:27] So they require flexing to function? [04:48:08] or that because of stale air.. no fans [04:48:10] Humans don't require a pulse as far as we can tell from two humans who at least at one point were alive for years without one due to a mechinical impeller blood pump and failed hearts. [04:49:12] Resisting gravity is a useful form of exercise for the whole body. [04:49:48] Again, we can have super weak hearts, pencil thin bones, nearly no muscle and be alive and fine. [04:50:04] so.. valley girl syndrom? [04:50:25] As long as you don't plan on returning to earth, none of that stuff is needed. [04:50:26] or.. wait.. am I thinking something else..? [04:50:44] You will be forced to live out the rest of your life in microgravity. [04:51:01] Broken bones are a problem in space too. [04:51:14] ... spaces from the Expance... [04:51:17] er.. spacers [04:51:21] Belters [04:51:34] They don't function in microgravity, they function at 1/4 g or so. [04:51:44] difference.. belters live in astroids.. spacers just in space.. or orbit of planets [04:51:45] But it's like that more or less. They can't live on earth. [04:52:21] funny how the expance and my Jovian Chronicals RPG books play along similar lines [04:52:34] People call becoming a spacer a problem but it's not in itself a problem. [04:52:47] The problem is being a spacer and wanting to return to Earth. [04:52:52] there was also one for those that were from the moon.. [04:53:10] Blaank: there a lot of unkown beside just the issue of microgravity in low earth orbit [04:53:14] Everyone thinks humans have to live on Earth. A lot of people have that stuck in their head and can't get over it. [04:54:26] Proper skydiving is essential if you're out of jetpack fuel: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot97.png [04:54:26] I'm curious how the first babies born and raised outside earth will be like... [04:54:29] Someone conditioned under gravity is more fit for space than someone who is not. [04:54:43] they probably won't have the same issues we do [04:54:49] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_spaceflight_on_the_human_body None of this is lethal. [04:55:11] Not good for you anywhere. [04:56:41] Living in space is basically an extreme version of living as a couch potato. [04:56:43] you could technically build a rotating ring on the moon.. (damn it I keep wanting to type mun, curse you ksp) ring would maintain a close to 1g pull.. [04:57:23] Blaank: you would still have to find better radiation shield, but the rest you can probably live with, yes [04:57:27] Again it may be perfectly fine having 0.1 g with less cost/mass/complication and still get nearly all the benefits. [04:57:47] we could get 90% of the benifits of 1 g at 0.1 g [04:58:03] I don't know and it should be tested because 0.1 is a hell of a lot easier to generate than 1. [04:58:26] or easier to manage.. not getting tossed into a tumble drier [04:58:36] People simulated spine problems in space by spending weeks on a bed [04:58:43] Things go down. hot air goes up. [04:58:54] I'd just like to see something made... tested.. last time was back in Gemini 11 [04:59:11] sorry, I couldn't htink of something else that spun around fast [04:59:18] toy top... [04:59:31] There have been experiments raising chickens in >1 g. [04:59:39] Very buff chickens. [05:00:54] ... midgets in space... [05:01:04] The largest problem I see for spacers is intracranial pressure disrupting vision. [05:01:13] mind you, old days, NASA was all gunho about trying to get average or slightly shorter than average [05:01:20] Since that doesn't go away no matter how long you spend in zero g [05:09:20] https://i.imgur.com/ea0NKlp.mp4 [05:10:19] Ooooooooh booooy. SpaceX is going to be doing fairing surfing now. [05:10:33] They are working it out. The latest launch had RCS thrusters on the fairings. [05:11:38] i would love to ride waves on a spacex fairing surfboard [05:12:23] I love the chaos and stuff it caused. [05:12:34] Who knew a rocket launch could cause that much panic? [05:15:41] caused at least one car crash.. [05:15:56] o.O [05:16:31] when was this [05:17:15] http://www.newsweek.com/video-spacex-falcon-9-rocket-launch-was-so-spectacular-viewers-crashed-their-760077 [05:19:27] fairing surfing? [05:20:09] damn that looks awesome [05:21:05] fairing surfing the chutes the last bit? [05:21:11] the=then [05:22:27] as in, like, gliding them down through the atmosphere, or? [05:23:16] I suspect they trying to glide them.. but probably some sorta chute system back to the ground the last bit. [05:23:48] mostly cuz I think fairings into planes that fly back down might be .. um.. complex? [05:24:38] hm, i thought fairings would have burnt up [05:26:06] not nessarilly.. [05:26:20] they do keep out a bit of heat going up.. [05:26:42] I know people have found pieces of them from reentry [05:26:53] which implies they're at least sorta good at surviving it [05:27:26] they also not going completely at orbital velocity when they get ejected [05:29:37] vanilla ksp fairings are basically just confetti in a convenient shape, but I wonder if you could make procedural fairings or another mod's parts into something that you can reenter safely? [05:30:28] that would be cool [05:31:02] and have a random chance that they land on someone, thus costing you reputation and funds in the form of a damages claim [05:31:12] you can clam shell the stock fairings.. just have to take care with how they are built [05:31:35] unless you safely parachute them or surf them into the sea or something. [05:32:02] egh.. I'm sure someone's built confetti style fireworks in ksp [05:32:29] ok, I was confused by the MKS mod. It seems it can't really be used 'as intended' without KAS [05:32:43] even if it doesn't requires it [05:36:58] Oh no. Stationeers is by the DayZ guy. [05:37:10] saw that.. kinda eh.. [05:37:23] system seems neat, not so keen on the look style [05:37:25] link? [05:37:25] That pentagonal lens flare [05:37:40] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ymcvZtkokQ and that horrorshow protag [05:37:40] YouTube - Stationeers - Building A Space Station using Both Hands [05:37:52] horrifying [05:37:53] also.. coal on the mun.... moon.. ugh. [05:38:14] remember when people had a hard time trying to call it mun instead of moon and kerbin instead of earth? c_C; [05:38:41] oh no, left and right hands [05:44:18] This is a lot more complicated than it needs to be. [05:44:46] ? [05:44:52] stationeers [05:44:54] the game..? [05:45:05] It's like 3d SS13 with all the bad parts ported as well [05:45:22] :3 [05:45:39] ok I should probably look up SS13... people have made a number of references to it [05:46:00] It's ...... a thing [05:47:14] Action: ConductingCat MASSIVE CHALICEs. [05:48:09] Another early access space game. [05:48:10] ugh [05:48:17] Have any been released? [05:49:28] don't know... [05:49:46] Wait, KSP released [05:49:48] but some reason now I'm pondering getting copy of xcom 1 and 2... just to get back to building and managing type games [05:50:08] The new xcoms? [05:50:12] Or the old ones? [05:50:20] old [05:50:31] try Xenonauts too [05:50:35] I had it ages ago... friend used to play it on his pc and I sorta pickedup on it after [05:51:00] I really don't like the hand and tool switching of stationeers [05:51:03] only down side was ... newer pc's ran it too fast [05:51:06] That's the least good part of SS13 [05:52:20] Blaank: I think I'm gonna go with Astroneer insted of Stationeer [05:52:28] Space Engineers feels like it's stagnated. [05:52:37] there was space engineers [05:52:47] Astroneer is an ok arcady space thing [05:52:54] Pretty shallow [05:55:14] I would love to build my ship from the RR'ing I've done online.. [05:55:21] Stationeers is certainly dragged down by the inventory system. [05:55:40] very [05:55:53] The design is clearly inspired by another user interface atrocity: Space Station 13. [05:56:04] I mean..that problem was solved back in System Shock 2 [05:56:33] what was it someone said another game seemed a bit system shock like..? [05:56:53] or was it stationeers? [05:57:45] Oh, game is hardcore mode only. You have one life. You die, deletes your save. That's nice. [05:58:20] lol... save another copy of the game [05:59:21] right now I'm looking for "Like Space Engineers but it doesn't delete your inventory upon disconnecting from a multiplayer server." [05:59:51] If you loose connection for any reason, your inventory is deleted, no corpse, no loot, gone, period, 100% working as intended. [06:00:15] rood [06:00:18] http://store.steampowered.com/app/383120/Empyrion__Galactic_Survival/ ? [06:00:27] I was thinking about that [06:00:42] http://store.steampowered.com/app/504050/Planet_Nomads/ ? [06:01:12] basically, any link from http://store.steampowered.com/recommended/morelike/app/244850/ [06:01:15] empyrion is basically a space engineers copy but adds survival and planet bases [06:01:33] i found it way more fun even when it had just started [06:01:47] that was years ago now tho [06:01:50] ... there was a game.. platformer, you were fighting demons. you died, the next family memeber in line took your place [06:02:13] My only complaint with Space Engineers is multiplayer inventory deletion. [06:02:13] butyou could also pick between 3 randomly generated characters [06:02:24] I'd be fine if it left a corpse but it doesn't. [06:02:35] or you can look at more dead games like http://store.steampowered.com/app/332500/GRAV/ [06:02:47] oh god, not that [06:03:02] JCB: Rogue legacy [06:04:31] Blaank: also http://store.steampowered.com/app/237870/Planet_Explorers/ [06:04:35] ya thats it.. I breifly saw someone playing it on some playthrough thing a while back [06:04:57] I think I'm going to stop buying early access stuff. [06:05:06] It's bitten me more times than not. [06:06:34]