[01:36:10] <Solar_Oracle> Alright, it's on to more suffering.
[01:38:24] <minas_tirith> Solar_Oracle
[01:38:38] <Solar_Oracle> YOU WISH TO CONSULE THE ORACLE, MORTAL?
[01:39:21] <raptop> Just as long as you're not the Larry Ellison Oracle
[01:42:13] <Solar_Oracle> Nope, I'm one of those natural oracles like noxious fumes or flocks of birds.
[02:16:40] <raptop> "For all we know, his science-fiction could've been some peacenik screed about primitivist Neanderthals or naked princesses on Mars!" heh
[02:19:41] <Solar_Oracle> For being such an important character, Mikey has as much depth and characterization as a single sheet of printer paper.
[02:19:59] <Solar_Oracle> And another chapter up.
[02:24:47] <raptop> "onboard grav-drives that could accelerate them to a large fraction of the speed of light in less than twenty meters" Well, at least they can't fire them in a planetary atmosphere without killing themselves
[02:25:21] <raptop> But, uh, also why would you shoot it at anything smaller than a carrier battle group?
[02:25:45] Action: raptop assumes that grav-drives make a mockery of recoil
[02:30:51] <Solar_Oracle> It would be funny if the recoil was substantial.
[02:31:58] <Solar_Oracle> The Posleen books *really* love ridiculous, impractical science-fiction weapons that end up performing no better in the book than conventional weapons would have.
[02:32:28] <Solar_Oracle> While I'm not sure if they're in this particular text, Watch on the Rhine has tanks that would dwarf Baneblades.
[02:33:31] <raptop> Figure that the missile is at least 1 kg, and "large fraction" means >0.5 c (γ > 1.14). That's >3 megatons in kinetic energy
[02:40:21] <Solar_Oracle> Hahaha! The Posleen orbit-to-surface bombardment vehicles are weak by comparison, getting no more than ten kilotons per the description in this current chapter.
[02:41:09] <raptop> hah
[02:41:23] <Solar_Oracle> Babylon 5 did it better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCk-12UtYEI
[02:41:44] Action: raptop imagines a posleen hanging out the airlock of one of those dodecahedrons and aiming down at various cities
[02:43:12] <Solar_Oracle> I think there was an episode of The Clone Wars where they actually did that with battlefield artillery being used in space as anti-ship batteries.
[02:43:21] <raptop> nice
[02:44:04] Action: raptop vaguely recalls something like that, with the artillery hidden so it could ambush the ships
[02:45:06] <Solar_Oracle> Posleen shooting out of the airlocks would be some real Battlefield level stuff.
[02:48:13] <Solar_Oracle> Crap, I can't find my favorite part of Babylon 5, season 2 on YouTube.
[02:53:59] <Solar_Oracle> Close second https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oHtLmjKRbE
[03:11:34] <Solar_Oracle> 3rd best scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0n2vurSBIQ
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[03:22:09] <Althego> oh no, calli at the same time as ollie
[03:22:42] <Althego> and a casual 5 hour stream from kiara
[03:59:35] <Althego> math stream started yess
[04:06:44] <Althego> guh
[04:10:35] <raptop> There's something inherintly amusing about watching a zombie on another continent teach calculus
[04:12:30] <Althego> be honest, it was interesting when she read pi
[04:14:34] <raptop> it was surprisingly interesting
[04:16:34] <Althego> that resize trick is something you cant do on a real blackboard
[04:17:36] <Althego> why do we still go watch people drawing on a real one? would make more sense to sit at hgome and watch a stream
[04:19:50] <raptop> I'm leaning towards the idea that lectures should be entirely pre-recorded things, and the actual student/teacher meetings be recitation/homework related things and labs
[04:22:32] <raptop> hrm, properly deriving the power rule would mean having to do some binomial theorem silliness?
[04:22:58] <Althego> i dont remember :)
[04:59:42] <raptop> Obviously someone should troll Ollie by tweeting at her solutions to the homework involving fluxions
[09:19:04] <darsie> Boosters dive into the VAB floor if I press N.
[09:19:20] <Althego> what does n do
[09:19:50] <Althego> i think i never used that in the editor
[09:22:34] <darsie> Positions the rocket some 5 or 10 m above ground.
[09:23:00] <darsie> Maybe a mod key.
[09:46:06] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP0vGjHdOsE
[09:46:07] <Mat2ch> oh, wow
[09:46:11] <Mat2ch> give that one a view
[09:46:12] <Mat2ch> or two
[09:46:14] <Mat2ch> and share it!
[09:46:32] <Althego> what, momo launch lot later
[09:46:35] <Althego> i could have watched it
[09:47:37] <Althego> lol typical kerbals
[09:48:21] <Althego> heh did momo fail? or was that rotation intentional?
[09:50:04] <Mat2ch> Booster 3 on Pad A is so much taller than a starship :D
[09:55:32] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRdlrLJT3AE
[10:22:34] <darsie> Oh no, I forgot to deploy solar panels on my new space station. Now I have to send a probe with electricity up ... 
[10:44:02] <Mat2ch> Althego: it's crazy that they still use analog communications for the cameras
[10:47:20] <Mat2ch> The ocean is burning. I've never seen that in any prophecy.
[10:49:43] <Althego> centurions episode, the sky is on fire
[10:49:47] <sandbox> the day of lavos
[10:50:29] <Truga> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1411190158347497472/pu/vid/1280x720/F21Uh31u2s5KZK9m.mp4?tag=12
[10:51:54] <Mat2ch> I'm talking about old prophecies!
[10:54:56] <sandbox> 65 million year old prophecy
[10:55:25] <Mat2ch> too old. :D
[10:55:31] <flayer> honestly
[10:55:52] <flayer> "the rapture" might just be a prediction of billionaires flying off into space to leave this planet
[10:56:02] <flayer> "the meek shall inherit the earth" ... or what's left of it.
[10:56:28] <Althego> hehe wata in da faiyaa
[11:26:56] <Althego> ah, the gtx 1070 revisit benchmark from hardware unboxed. i have been waiting for this
[11:35:00] <darsie> 1337
[11:44:23] <flayer> .
[11:50:33] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i'm having a problem with ckan. it seems to expect the game in SteamApps, but it's actually in steamapps (lowercase)... and i can't find a way to change it
[11:50:50] <Althego> add a symlink?
[11:51:04] <Eddi|zuHause> i did that, but steam complains loudly about that
[11:51:12] <Althego> lol
[11:53:26] <Truga> hmm https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/blob/454e1deb72f74d294c59a3e885a89b46b3113525/Core/Games/KerbalSpaceProgram.cs#L284
[11:53:43] <Truga> seems like ckan has like ckan tries both
[11:53:52] <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably correct about that, since it's one of those cases where it'll appear to work fine for years, but then randomly collapses in a weird corner case
[11:55:32] <Eddi|zuHause> Truga: that's probably for first time installs, not installs which have existed for years and then steam decided the path changes?
[11:55:43] <Truga> possibly
[12:01:47] <Eddi|zuHause> problem is, in the game version list, i can only "rename" them, not change the path
[12:06:46] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: linux? Then try a symlink
[12:06:55] <Althego> didnt work
[12:07:10] <Eddi|zuHause> well, it "works". but rings all kinds of alarm bells
[12:07:20] <Mat2ch> not steam
[12:07:23] <Mat2ch> for ckan.
[12:07:32] <Eddi|zuHause> huh?
[12:07:47] <Mat2ch> leave the steam stuff as it is and just add the symlink so ckan finds what it needs.
[12:07:59] <Eddi|zuHause> huh?
[12:08:21] <flayer> Eddi|zuHause, keep a baseball bat handy in case your computer starts rebelling against you
[12:08:28] <Eddi|zuHause> symlink what to where?
[12:09:23] <Mat2ch> ln -s steamapps SteamApps
[12:09:29] <Eddi|zuHause> yes.
[12:09:32] <Eddi|zuHause> that's what i did
[12:09:40] <Eddi|zuHause> that's the part that steam complains about
[12:10:05] <Mat2ch> hm
[12:10:20] <Mat2ch> my KSP folder is in steamapps, too, and ckan doesn't complain
[12:10:35] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but mine was in SteamApps before
[12:10:38] <Eddi|zuHause> now it's not
[12:10:49] <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't change the entry in ckan
[12:10:56] <Mat2ch> I'm confused...
[12:11:14] <Eddi|zuHause> what's confusing?
[12:11:35] <Eddi|zuHause> it used to be SteamApps. then some day several years ago steam decided to rename it to steamapps
[12:11:45] <Mat2ch> You say ckan expects KSP in SteamApps.
[12:11:52] <Mat2ch> but ckan works for me fine without complaining
[12:11:54] <Eddi|zuHause> now i ran ckan again
[12:12:02] <Eddi|zuHause> and it's still looking in SteamApps
[12:12:16] <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't tell ckan to change the stored path
[12:12:17] <Mat2ch> where is the ckan binary located for you?
[12:12:42] <Eddi|zuHause> in some random folder i put it a few years ago
[12:12:54] <Mat2ch> oh, ok, that's the difference
[12:13:05] <Mat2ch> I place the binary usually in the KSP directory
[12:13:09] <Mat2ch> so no path lookup
[12:13:10] <Eddi|zuHause> not inside the steam folder
[12:13:32] <Mat2ch> (and I can have multiple KSP installs in parallel with different stuff in it, like RO+RSS)
[12:13:49] <Eddi|zuHause> sure. i could try to add a new instance
[12:15:40] <Mat2ch> well, it is small enough to do so
[12:15:51] <Mat2ch> also I run it from inside of a schroot environment :P
[12:15:56] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid the "clone" command will try to copy stuff onto itself, and the "new" command will not remember the mods
[12:16:07] <Mat2ch> schroot -c chroot:sid_mono -p mono "/home/blabla/games/SteamLinux/steamapps/common/Kerbal Space Program/ckan.exe"
[12:16:16] <Mat2ch> I hope to annoy Althego with this. :D
[12:16:45] <Althego> i just think it is useless complexity. doesnt matter what you use
[12:17:45] <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably just google how to regedit with mono
[12:18:26] <Mat2ch> Althego: I couldn't do this as a normal user with chroot only.
[14:57:44] <packbart> Eddi|zuHause: can't you just edit CKAN's config.json?
[15:04:32] <Eddi|zuHause> there's no such file
[15:07:10] <packbart> there should be. I only use CKAN on Windows and it's in AppData\Local\CKAN. I'd expect it to be in something like ~/.config/ on Linux
[15:12:01] <packbart> Eddi|zuHause: ~/.local/share/CKAN/config.json
[15:25:06] <Eddi|zuHause> alright, that exists
[17:05:37] <raptop> !mission
[17:05:37] <LunchBot> raptop: Mistakes are made. You melt Kerbin's scrith shell, causing it to fall into the singularity.
[17:05:45] Action: raptop >_>;;
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[18:43:01] <Althego> deletin one record is down from 1 minute to 43 seconds. huge improvements
[18:43:15] <Althego> i guess as the tables shrink it gets faster
[18:43:35] <Althego> mostly probably because the related table it needs to delete from still has 17 million rows
[19:42:34] <Althego> scott
[19:42:42] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b1VgtyIQN0
[22:09:57] <BoxersteaveeG> hello
[22:10:28] <BoxersteaveeG> back to the good ol' days
[22:49:12] <raptop> blink
[22:50:05] <raptop> huh, you can in fact do a munar flyby with level 1 VAB/pad and nothing fancier than an LV-T30 (general rocketry)
[23:59:42] <FLHerne> Now you need to land :p