[00:05:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:30:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o NBones' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:30:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o DuoDex' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:35:33] ehehe, flaturday night fight, godless engineer vs antonio subirats, this is going to be fun (or rather a train wreck) [07:16:46] this guy has hard time understanding weight [07:17:58] huh? [07:19:40] flat earther [07:20:15] remember, flat earthers also have brain [07:20:18] its just flat. [09:35:53] should I risk streaming tonight? [09:39:23] What's the risk? [09:41:46] crappy wireless connection.. [09:42:56] some reason, ever since she moved where my wireless connects to, I've been getting dropped randomly with good signal. :\ [09:49:08] oh.. 10 minutes till dockng [09:49:20] got yt link? [09:49:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wffuODpCg [09:50:14] thanks [09:50:36] position and other possible views: https://www.n2yo.com/space-station/ [09:52:48] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wffuODpCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJV5uMM0PBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg [09:52:53] all unstable for me [09:53:30] streamlink and youtube-dl -o -|mpv don't work, too :(. [09:54:04] What's the problem with RCS exhaust? Unreacted N2O4? [09:55:43] don't know.. where you getting nifo on RCS? [09:56:22] They said they put the solar panels in a protective position. [09:56:37] To protect from exhaust. [09:57:45] station panels? they act like big wings, reduces unwanted forces on the station and protects them [09:59:15] though.. I would have expected them to be edge on to where the docking craft is. [10:00:14] oh.. the n2yo site.. you can rotate the globe if station moves over the horizon.. ;) [10:02:41] https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#public [10:04:47] your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats [10:04:49] ... [10:05:06] HTML5 video works with firefox, of course [10:06:21] works fine here.. though am using waterfox.... [10:07:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:12:31] oh docking is underway [10:14:50] on hold it seems [10:14:58] its in holding positiom anyway [10:18:07] lol.. whoops, careful, don't mix your miles and meters ;P [10:18:39] why is their Windows set to 1/1/2019? [10:18:48] .oO(license expired) [10:18:50] Why is there even a windows on board? [10:19:10] I meant the control screen in the video a minute ago or so [10:19:17] Hopefully it doesn't do a forced update :P [10:19:53] date probably doesn't matter much.. its just acting as a monitor [10:21:22] watching this brings back memories of some fo the earlier space missions.. [10:32:31] funny thing about space [10:32:44] something might be 3 feet away or 100 miles away and much bigger [10:33:52] "diffult to see the distance between..." of course. [10:38:19] heh the stream is intermittent, i have to refresh it to get it working again [10:42:57] so on the next flight they have to be installed [10:43:22] they'll do an abort test later.. not critical right now, no crew [10:44:52] ya better t test when not critical [10:46:25] man put on sunglasses lol [10:46:29] https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#public is stable for me [10:46:30] glare is annoying [10:46:53] finally. [10:47:40] go for docking! [10:50:22] this camera view looks like it is going to miss [10:50:28] really annoying [10:50:38] but it is just the vierw [10:50:45] finall [10:50:50] this one is better [10:51:26] lol yeah [10:51:52] the people are getting impatient [10:51:59] there was some murmuring [10:52:18] hehe looked like a kerbal magnetic connect [10:53:01] looks like PID correction is good lol [10:53:08] docked! [10:53:18] it is one [10:53:27] the most abundant, and the worst control algorithm :) [10:53:44] one which I still don't understand... yet [10:54:13] jv lemme link you the super awesome video [10:54:17] it is deceptive, looks simple, and in practice, it is hard [10:54:36] pid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vqWyramGy8 [10:54:38] I've a rough idea... dealing with servoes [10:54:40] enjoy [10:54:57] its video of class teaching on pid, and amazing, taught me well [10:55:06] and i am partial to state space based controls :) [10:55:28] different video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpWlTl95Tw [10:56:05] ripley.... this a aliens refernece? [10:56:08] "Latest innovation in docking tech is copying Kerbal space program’s wobbly docking feature" [10:56:09] probably [10:56:28] with a small difference: It's captured and doesn't wobble away :P [10:57:04] hopefully the -gee thing isn't making reference to ripley's cat.. [11:38:12] what are they waiting for? [11:38:37] pressurizing the dragon, analyzing its atmosphere [11:39:07] and stuff [11:42:34] astronauts must be the most patient people on earth... or rather in space [11:44:32] they are also most impatent people thats off earth [11:45:30] catastrophic failure alarm? [11:45:55] nothing looks catastrophic at the moment [11:46:51] alarm on which stream? [11:46:56] was afk [11:47:04] i meant that they can only become astronauts if they are really patient. and if they are not patient in space that can lead to death. automatic selection [11:47:25] it was on nasa live, but probably on all [11:48:43] I just start KSP and a failure alarm goes off on the ISP [11:48:52] ISS I mean [11:49:14] better be on the iss than on my net :) [11:53:23] ah.. hard line configuration tripped it [11:53:36] may as well been /their/ ISP :P [11:54:49] hehe [11:55:12] no cause for alarm [11:55:37] is really nobody complaining that the video is stretched? [11:56:02] I hadn't noticed? [11:56:19] What are we watching? [11:56:31] the nasa live stream [11:56:33] even though I got another stream up that has the same video going as well as planet view stream too [11:56:44] a simple trick to make ur ship look longer [11:56:45] Livestream of what? [11:56:51] people who stretch videos are keeping me up at night...! [11:57:13] or the worse one: vertical video syndrome... :\ [11:57:14] Judge_Dedd: uhh, where have you been the last century? Crew Dragon at the ISS! [11:57:15] :D [11:57:29] Oh it's reached the ISS? Link? [11:57:45] I saw the launch but I didn't know they'd livestream the docking [11:57:49] ya docked about an hour ago.. they doing some checks before opening up [11:57:51] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg [11:58:03] Thanks [11:58:21] https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#public [11:59:12] they do times for CT and ET, why the prejudice against us on PST? :\ [11:59:23] That is indeed horribly stretched [11:59:42] Pyongyang Standard Time? [11:59:44] Lucky me, watching it with mpv, which can set the aspect ratio :P [11:59:55] JVFoxy: I need UTC! [12:00:23] Mat2ch ISS already run off UTC.. [12:00:33] Seriously, everything should be given in UTC [12:00:34] Docking stream continues [12:01:11] Love the flags.. [12:01:13] hehe americans [12:01:18] JVFoxy: But I'm in UTC+1, so I need UTC for reference :/ [12:01:35] ET is UTC-5 [12:01:40] Mat2ch UTC-8 for me... at least yo only off by one [12:02:18] Judge_Dedd: Thanks! [12:02:21] So... hatch opening in 28 minutes, I think? [12:02:22] So 14:30 for me [12:02:38] Means I can go and have lunch :D [12:02:44] 0402 for me at the moment [12:03:05] Judge_Dedd: uh, 1:30, I think? [12:03:21] in utc [12:03:34] at least i calculated as such [12:03:41] which means it is going to be a while [12:03:46] Uh... [12:03:56] Hatch opening at 7:30 ET, correct? [12:03:59] watching Matt Lowe while waiting.. c.c; [12:04:07] why doesnt xwiki let me move page under a leaf node? [12:04:10] *Lowne... oops [12:04:11] 0730 central time [12:04:59] I could have sworn it said 7:30 ET [12:05:00] now it is not stretched :) [12:05:17] Oh, they fixed the stream [12:05:20] rewind the youtube stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg [12:05:59] 4:3 ratio... good ol tv days [12:07:54] Thanks darsie [12:08:33] yw [12:09:08] I want a 5-monitor setup like they have [12:09:46] that poor person on the right only gets 3 [12:09:50] I want an electronic brain. [12:09:58] 2 here... 3rd off at the moment. the other PC for it isn't running [12:11:14] the 'Mk1' mission control had some pretty crazy hardware when it came to how they projected images on the displays in the day [12:11:33] some sort of spinning liquid mirror [12:11:51] i think scott had a clip on it [12:13:10] ya [12:13:46] wiki on it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidophor [12:14:44] You mean the mission control for Apollo etc? [12:14:49] ya [12:15:02] the current mission control, think its the 3rd itteration... [12:15:11] Yeah, and they had (for the time) supercomputers in the basement powering their monitors [12:15:12] old days, looked like: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Nasa_MOCR_small.jpg [12:16:01] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8yRDrl76d0 [12:16:12] I just realised some of them have SIX monitors [12:16:19] hehe [12:16:41] oh wait.. the view is ISS mission control.. [12:16:43] beryllium mirrors, wouldnt want to be near the place that is polishing it [12:16:44] Cronus, for example [12:17:40] No wait... 8 monitors if you count the smaller ones as well [12:17:49] I remember the big blue curved desks... which are the ones in Huston mission control.. [12:18:44] Judge_dedd ISS robotics station... drool all you want :P http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/images/iss/robotique/centre-de-controle-id-9481.jpg [12:19:50] ooooh... CSA, its from the Canadian side of things.. rock http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/iss/robotics/robotics-mission-control-centre.asp [12:22:23] is it bad when I feel bad for geeking out too much? [12:22:57] Yes [12:24:06] "Thou shallt not feel badst for ye geeking out" [12:24:18] hehe [12:24:19] I didn't know such a thing was possible [12:24:27] book of...? [12:24:51] oh though geeking out was bad [12:26:18] Book of Deddly, chapter 1, verse 1 [12:26:38] For geek-out reasons, I always wanted this http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/35071122/aview/lenovo-w710-ds.gif [12:26:38] what.. no kindle? [12:27:15] heh.. if they had a screen for the other side, could maybe double as vanity mirror ;P [12:27:25] A laptop, with a pull out second screen. <3 [12:27:47] Imagine if they had done one with a third screen on the left. I think I might have passed out [12:28:49] some day... full 360 degree wrap around holo screen... [12:29:19] or.. well maybe just in front, but made to look like its 360 as you turn. no point rendering gunk you don't look at unless you've a friend with you [12:29:37] More likely that VR gets so good you just configure as many virtual screens as you want [12:30:17] Imagine a laptop with no screen at all, just put the glasses on [12:30:47] glasses thing sorta a thing already.. just not wildly used [12:31:11] widely... not wildlely... or blah.. ok I've been up all night. stupid sleep routine busted badly [12:31:36] Hatch opening brought forward! [12:31:45] 12:50 UTC [12:31:50] ya.. head of time, anxious much? [12:31:58] Mat2ch, might miss it now [12:32:14] here I thought I'd be sleeping by now [12:35:00] would be nice to get some sounf [12:38:08] How can HD be such poor quality? [12:38:49] ya know [12:38:58] houson has double as many montiors per person lol [12:39:06] acually more as they have 5 each [12:39:17] Some have 8 [12:39:34] found 6 but cant find 8? [12:39:38] drat too late [12:40:28] Cronos station had 8 [12:40:38] Could only see it from the back [12:40:58] very curious how those docking finger things don't get in the way.. folds back? [12:41:04] this person has none :P https://i.redd.it/87xwwbb6kvj21.jpg [12:41:33] JVFoxy: all external [12:42:44] swings out of the way before hard dock? [12:43:03] no its outside [12:44:17] Mat2ch, ping ping [12:44:30] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/IDA-1_top-angle.jpg/1280px-IDA-1_top-angle.jpg [12:44:33] it grips the ring outside so inside seal is firmly against each other [12:44:42] looks like this flanges are just inside the pressure mating ring [12:45:00] nice picture! [12:45:31] yeah. you dont want puncurable stuff in inside for any reason :) [12:54:43] guessing the pedals fold out of the way [12:55:51] How do they not constantly whack their heads on stuff? [12:56:55] okay found 7 montior monster [12:56:58] still no 8 [12:57:00] Cronos [12:57:04] Judge_Dedd: experence [12:57:08] Centre left [12:57:29] they are using feet also [12:57:50] found 9 lol [12:58:03] center botton. guy has 2 tiny ones as well [12:58:42] center, middle also has 9. 3 small montiors [12:59:01] crazy. wonder how they keep track. [13:00:14] Rolf, two landscape monitors stacked vertically, three landscape, one portrait and yeah, now the operator isn't sitting there, you can see three smaller displays lower down [13:00:33] indeed [13:00:41] now is there any 10? lol [13:00:52] oh hey mr. earth [13:04:58] heh its awkward as heck putting on mask [13:05:03] guys been trying for while [13:07:30] So, er... seems it would make sense to just have air-quality equipment on the Dragon [13:08:06] hatch getting opened [13:08:26] somebody was happy [13:08:42] looks quite big and spacious [13:08:52] wooot opening and entering [13:08:58] or is it breaking and entering? lol [13:11:30] no breaking in space... that would mean big problems [13:11:52] yeah lol [13:11:57] i wonder what they are testing [13:12:05] im pretty sure some of it is gases [13:12:24] That was cool [13:12:25] lol showmanship of mr earth [13:12:38] cyas [13:14:48] looooting the ship [13:15:08] reading the manual [13:15:21] rtfm yep [13:15:31] read the flipping manual [13:27:48] Oh, Judge_Dedd split. I saw it, while cooking and eating [13:32:13] Rolf: https://www.en.dataflex.shop/dataflex-viewmaster-multi-monitor-system-desk-53-843.html the biggest I could find... [13:32:45] lol yet its just 8 [13:33:22] Jep [13:33:33] If you need more, combine those ;P [13:33:49] 10* ;) [13:34:33] why is the earth plushie moving? [13:34:44] its alive thats why [13:34:53] 15! [13:35:02] honestly so many possible causes [13:35:10] all you need is very little force. like maybe moving air [13:35:13] Althego: I think they put on the fans [13:35:24] *switched on [13:35:29] the fans were on all along (and watching :)) [13:38:17] ohhhh, what a pun! [13:38:30] Rolf: get 10 of these and the rail and build your own: https://www.en.dataflex.shop/dataflex-viewlite-slatwall-monitor-mount-58-402.html ;P [13:38:32] Also: 15! [13:38:44] Or a OLED wall [13:38:49] lol [13:38:56] I'm still waiting for the OLED wall paper [13:39:06] it was promised in 2005 we'd get some soon! [13:39:17] Mat2ch: F745 [13:39:33] oops [13:39:37] 451F :) [13:39:57] huh? [13:43:15] Rolf: linkkkk please [13:43:51] 451 f is a book that have wall tvs :) [13:44:03] its old enough to predate lots of things so compyters were not envisioned [13:47:55] Ah [13:48:00] ok, so you really meant that book [13:48:09] I never read it [13:48:20] you dhoulf read it in least once [13:48:24] same as 1984 [13:49:46] Uh, I just took a look at the launch schedule... what happend to the inflight abort test? [13:50:19] I don't like books like Fahrenheit 451 and 1984. If I want to see horror, I watch the news. [13:51:03] other one is handmaiden [13:51:07] We already have so many of those survaillance systems already in place, I don't see the point in reading about them, when I already know where they are and how they work [13:53:53] its not all about survaillence [13:54:00] its lot more [13:55:39] yes, how people deal with it, find their ways around it and everything. I'm from Germany, I learnt all about the DDR in school and I saw the wall fall on tv, which was truly amazing to see. I don't need to read about it... [14:24:44] hm.. quite the camera they using.. (in the stream) [14:25:01] take'n pictures.. wonder if they post for public to see [14:27:42] https://66.media.tumblr.com/964c3571afe450cb466f086204ef4bad/tumblr_p6wdebi7Cj1vp2ixso1_500.jpg [14:29:40] Fluburtur I wouldn't be surprised if that was floor of a data center? [15:14:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:22:23] before I went and spilled half the coffee into my lap... >_< [15:23:18] was reading up on the docking port they are using, if they really wanted to, can dock two dragons together given the design working both ways [15:33:15] At page 56, I have reached the end of the KSP mod catalog on spacedock. Now I have seen them all [15:37:15] US Russia Canada.. rock [15:44:36] JVFoxy: that was the plan for the docking ports [15:45:04] Having an adapter they can use on all vehicles, no matter what they're meant for [15:46:20] ya.. a universal system that can work between ships, not just ship and station only [15:47:13] as opposed to the old drogue spike design used for the apollo craft missions [15:48:02] am kind of curious how similar it is to the apollo-soyuze docking system...they had the guiding petals on the outside though. [17:42:39] Anyone have trouble docking/undocking with the SM-25 when its side panels are decoupled? [18:15:10] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: No boom today Boom tomorrow. There's always a 'boom' tomorrow. [18:15:46] if you have prboom installed [18:16:21] I finished ace combat 7 on hard [18:16:24] time for ace nox [18:16:27] now* [18:17:05] Stick with Fluburtur and you'll make it. [18:17:16] boom! [18:18:07] UmbralRaptop: I'm glad someone's keeping perspective! [18:19:12] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders why the covered walkway http://www.trbimg.com/img-5c74395d/turbine/os-bz-spacex-crew-dragon-cleared-20190225 [18:23:38] Ooooh https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/015/305/533/large/mitchell-stuart-kitbash3d-utopia-mitchs-v001.jpg?1547851133 [18:26:55] babylon n+1 :) [18:28:23] Our last, best hope for peas. [18:28:41] Scolar_Visari: well, if you bought a ticket to ride on a Crew Dragon, would you want to have only a girder structure around you? [18:29:39] if somebody somehow sneak on board, would it have worked with the extra payload? [18:29:41] AHA! Finally found the high-res version of this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtmnOHXUUAAQqdQ.jpg [18:29:55] Mat2ch: I don't think Crew Dragon's going to have much of a tourist market. [18:29:58] the tractor [18:30:05] Besides, you're already wearing a pressure suit when you're walking in. [18:30:10] Scolar_Visari: Oh, I'm not so sure about that... [18:30:14] Althego: Space Dragon. [18:30:21] Scolar_Visari: those aren't pressure suits :) [18:30:49] https://youtu.be/Rt3jlSQ7E1Y [18:30:54] Mat2ch: I am, because SpaceX has made it pretty clear they're shooting for Spaceship and they've made no progress in advertising the Dragon 2 for markets beyond the ISS. [18:35:13] Then the next issue is wondering if Starship will actually happen. [18:40:56] I think so. Eventually. [18:41:01] because SpaceX. [18:47:04] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:49:57] Confidence born of ignorance, the cycle cannot be broken! [18:59:09] Eventually is a long time. It was what, 6 years between the falcon 9 announcement and first launch? [18:59:26] More like 10 years for falcon heavy [19:05:27] UmbralRaptop: The delays to the man Dragon have me skeptical of any leaps in Starship's progress. [19:05:58] Interplanetary Transfer Vehicle/Lander Complexity > Low endurance Earth Orbit capsule. [19:08:54] Action: Scolar_Visari also chuckles at a first flight date of 2022. [19:09:55] hehr [19:09:58] bit too soon [19:10:09] ok they have some engine at least [19:10:15] but nothing of thes hip [19:10:25] especially the sweaty heatshield [19:10:46] Yeah, they're going to slip. Elon time, etc. [19:10:55] time warp :) [19:12:17] Hah, lucky day, found something else I didn't have https://mdenoya.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/life-in-a-space-colony-by-robert-mccall.jpg [19:12:25] UmbralRaptop: I think weight gain is also going to be a severe issue. [19:12:26] ehehe [19:12:35] low g pool [19:12:48] heh [19:12:55] UmbralRaptop: I can't imagine that's going to be fun when dealing with large, fully reusable 2-stager. [19:13:13] nobody said it would be fun [19:13:28] Action: UmbralRaptop stares at the ghost of the shuttle [19:13:29] at least relatively doable, compared to an ssto [19:13:49] still not a word about the skylon [19:14:15] Weeee! https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2386/3533/products/SpaceStationSpaceColony_f807d40d-cfab-44e3-8bd6-2c41a6f2d6e7_x1000.jpg?v=1538178989 [19:14:29] UmbralRaptop: And it only needed to stay in space for a couple of weeks at time! [19:14:33] that sabre engine is just amazing... if they ever build it [19:16:02] ooh, neat poster [19:19:13] Oh this is neat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjyYEjgBpTM [19:24:38] scott [19:27:06] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders what happened to Bryan Versteeg's website. [19:30:09] who? [19:31:20] hehe, open the pod bay doors hal [19:31:31] Who came up with the linked illustration of Kalpana Two [19:31:37] Their website appears to have gone back to default. [19:31:59] hehe even scott mentioned that it is like kerbal docking [19:32:27] Ooooh https://veer.tv/photos/250m-radius-300m-length-camera-87-131824 [19:32:34] Althego: THEY USED MECHJEB! [19:32:43] it is cheating [19:33:16] And another with space sheep https://veer.tv/photos/250m-radius-300m-length-cam-59-1391-130896 [19:36:04] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders Space Mutton. [19:39:52] space gyros [19:40:07] … I should have intended that pun. [19:42:55] hehe [19:47:47] ah planarwalk and team skeptic. this has to be good [19:51:17] holy shit it's so neat to see the PMA in use again [19:52:12] cant use that word here [19:52:24] oh dang you're right [19:52:53] Yes, please be careful [19:53:20] no [19:54:09] Excuse me? [19:54:34] hehe [19:55:07] you're excused! [19:59:17] What is PMA anyway? [19:59:28] i guess the iss front docking position [19:59:56] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressurized_Mating_Adapter [20:00:52] Ah cool, thanks [20:01:02] not in use since shuttle ended [20:01:13] What do other craft dock to? [20:02:02] i believe the harmony nadir port, or bottom [20:02:09] the cargo dragon at least [20:03:37] oh they'll use nadir or zenith for cargo, cygnus, cirrus [20:04:04] errr not cirrus [20:05:03] It's amazing to me that we have this huge orbiting station and we currently don't have the ability to launch anything like it [20:05:17] we never had [20:05:22] it went up in pieces :) [20:06:03] would be nice kerbal style. build it in the hangar, then put a huge fairing on it, and just add enough boosters :) [20:07:50] I mean we can't even launch the pieces [20:08:20] For all its faults, the shuttle was a capable beast [20:09:47] Also, the only orbit-capable spacecraft (apart from Buran) that looked anything close to sci-fi, which gives it added coolness points :P [20:11:08] i just found a channel titled i need more space [20:11:17] yes, i do need more space [20:11:33]