[00:09:45] Kerbal Express - Jeb is replaceable, your sample isn't [00:14:18] pretty much! [00:18:30] i've never understood what the stayputnik is meant to be for... [00:19:04] In sandbox, I use it on bases, so I can turn the lights on and off even if nobody's home [00:20:01] but a HECS or something is way better for that, you can hide it in a service bay, with some batteries [00:22:24] the stayputnik is really annoying to attach things to as well [00:22:55] new amazon prime delivery method https://i.imgur.com/4K0Qy2W.png [00:23:02] depends. it looks nice on top of a small tank, IMHO. https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspa2.jpg [00:24:09] Neal: the physics bubble within the atmosphere is larger than 2.5km, if I remember that right? so the can drift apart and still land [00:24:33] I think I saw something floating around 10km away [00:24:35] might be fine [00:28:24] So having looked over the probes, seems the stayputnik has atleast one advantage, niche as it may be. [00:28:41] Which is its hibernation. Its got the lowest power use while hibernating of any probe core. Also second lightest. [00:30:31] i've almost never used hibernation... and is that really balancing all the other problems, like lack of SAS? [00:31:27] Dunno, but thats its niche. Best hibernation. [00:44:27] dunno either, but it's unconvincing... [00:44:47] it's an even weaker argument than "it comes first in the tech tree" [00:44:59] Hi. [00:45:16] I'm kinda bored [00:45:26] So I'm on the channel! [00:45:28] add moar boosters [00:45:37] YES. SPLENDID IDEA. [00:46:06] Also, is "Mun" pronounced Moon or Muhn? [00:46:23] Eddi: I guess its main purpose is building the Jebnik 1. Also, in career mode, it's available earlier than the Okto. [00:46:24] You must construct additional pylons^Wboosters [00:46:33] I've seen people do it both ways, but most commonly Muhn. [00:46:35] Mün [00:46:42] ...Actually, thinking on it, the SAS disadvantage isnt a horrible thing to overcome. Attach a small reaction wheel to the bottom. [00:46:54] Won't that only work for one axis? [00:47:11] Also, is "Mun" pronounced Moon or Muhn? <-- what's the difference? [00:47:33] The pronunciation of the "u" in "Mun". [00:47:55] Just something I've been wondering. [00:48:12] To Ze Mũn! [00:48:15] no, these letter phrases both translate to the same sound for me [00:48:18] ...Hm. Nope. Scratch that. Might not work. [00:48:20] But "muhn" looks like a description of the pronunciation of English "moon". [00:48:21] i don't understand what you mean [00:48:37] Ooh, project idea: recreate Apollo 13 with cleverly placed decouplers. [00:48:42] And film it. [00:49:05] Ah well. If you think of the stayputnik as a core that attaches to a probe to give it a better hibernation method, it still has its little niche purpose. [00:50:23] Ok, look up û. That's the first one. The second one is like "fun", but with an M. [00:51:08] You could, however, use the reaction wheels instead of thrusters to do PTC rolls [00:51:39] i still have no clue what you mean... [00:52:19] keep in mind, i'm not an english native speaker. [00:52:26] Ok, froget about it. [00:53:33] Oh, ok. that complicates things, Eddi|zuHause. So where are you from, then? [00:53:43] germany [00:54:01] Gonna be AFK for a while, gonna watch KSP fail vids for the next 30 mins. [00:54:36] if you go to a chat like this, you can assume about 2/3 of the people there are not native english... [00:59:18] öööäääüüü [00:59:26] ßßß [01:00:52] Союз! [10:27:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v Hikaru' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:59:29] pic I found while looking something up. Tagged as Belgium, ESA and space invaders: https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8584/16427563817_ab31744e0f_b.jpg [11:03:39] I think maybe I've seen that before [11:05:15] a week ago, I came across pics of the model they built for the tintin comic and animation.. he wanted to make sure he got things just perfect.. [11:05:27] er model of the rocket that is. [11:41:47] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7_PDnzWsAEMdRD.jpg:large [11:43:26] That's so 2016 [11:48:16] Hipsters? [11:48:52] 2016 indeed lol [14:40:32] Action: packbart left the comfort zone of sandbox7a and began the grind of science1 [14:40:40] this [X] Science mod is quite handy [17:22:08] i was so busy playing ksp i forgot about real launches [17:22:24] but next spacex is almost a week away [17:27:27] Yay, lightsail-2 [17:27:44] i'm just waiting until we go back to the moon [17:29:09] We (the US) have had at least one orbiter there for the past decade [17:29:29] LCROSS, LRO, GRAIL, LADEE… [17:34:04] i'm just waiting until humans walk on the moon again [17:34:10] On the other side: There is a laser loop experiment which produces thrust, but shouldn't. Not yet published, though. [18:11:18] scott [18:18:57] hm. I skip his videos lately. I was there for the fun stuff, not to get educated ;) [18:19:07] also it's too hot. [18:24:13] don't yoz just hate it when the Science Jr. blows up on reentry and seperates the pod+chute from the service bay with the SAS core and the valuable sensor data [18:25:07] at least Bob made it back safe and most science data was already transmitted [18:28:16] noooez. and then KSP froze when I clicked "recover vessel" [18:44:39] http://warpology.com/k/hurry.png [18:50:21] ...Blargh. Spent the better part of 30 minutes fine tuning an orbit for a satellite contract getting increasingly incredulous about the concept of reasonable deviation...Only to realize that oops, orbits the wrong direction. [18:51:30] we all have done this. ;) [18:51:58] Luckily those orbits are most of the time high enough to require only a few dV to turn around... [18:55:06] hehe, we have all been there [18:56:01] Yeah, I did it, too. Maybe not that precisely :). [18:58:04] With solar orbits I intentionally burn a bit less than getting there precisely to save fuel. [18:58:06] Action: packbart never played career long enough to get satellite contracts ;) [18:58:44] packbart: What else are you doing? [19:00:34] sandboxing my own challenges. "I wonder if this would work..." and then spending much time in the VAB designing crafts [19:01:05] I just started a new science game today, though [19:03:12] packbart: You can make all the money you need with IR telescope contracts and make enough science to complete the tech tree with a mobile processing lab and some sensors on Minmus. [19:05:48] I have a sandbox with stations and asteroid mining and busy shuttles ferrying stuff around. one day, I'll turn it into sort of a model railroad with just some kRPC script planning and executing manoeuvers [19:09:00] ah. that reminds me to put the estonian birds nest back on the idle wall display ( http://tv.eenet.ee/ ) [19:10:03] hmm. apparently down right now :( [19:11:39] no. still works [19:11:45] https://tv.eenet.ee/kalakotkas.html [19:31:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:32:24] o/ [19:38:08] o/ [19:48:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:52:10] Action: UmbralRaptop 🔪 peer [19:59:33] recovered a poor kerbal from munar orbit. also landed and collected science from the mun. had 40 m/s delta v remaining [19:59:39] bit vutting vlose [20:28:21] ...Well. That went better then expected. Ran out of fuel landing a probe on mun, but then pulled a mostly successful lithobrake. End result, lost the engine, landing gear, fuel tank, and one of three solar panels. [20:29:04] hehe [20:34:42] Acquire data, and then a rescue mission? [20:36:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:43:06] are there any mods that show an accurate number for suicide burn countdown? [20:43:17] ker should do it [20:43:21] kerbal engineer only factors in vertical velocity into its countdown [20:44:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:20:51] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:20:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:44:33] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:44:33] https://twitter.com/johnwenz/status/1135970027054624768 [21:44:33] <✔johnwenz> It doesn’t matter if Pluto is a planet or not. We should still blow it up. [21:47:57] ah but is it ex-planet or ex-dwarf planet? [21:50:11] Argue too much and we'll make sure that there are only seven planets [21:50:49] ... but there already are only seven planets at the moment >.> [21:51:10] uh [21:51:49] nate: did you accidentally one of them? [21:52:43] For some reason I thought I recalled them changing the size to where it included mercury also [21:52:50] w/ pluto I mean [21:54:12] Nah, mercury has cleared its neighborhood [21:54:32] Pluto and the like get slapped around by Neptune [21:55:24] one of issues they had was that its either 8 planets or 200+ [21:55:33] theres lot of pluto sized rocks [21:55:52] so they figured rules that would include from what we call planets [21:56:14] Rolf: Well it was originally the orbital pattern that defined it, which is why they even talked about ceres being defined a planet at one point [21:56:30] hm... the new stellaris update crashes my whole X-server [21:56:32] i recall that yeah [21:56:40] but then they changed the rules on mass and shit and were like "well pluto is smaller than our moon so why is it a planet?" even though pluto has an orbit and it's own moon like other 'planets' [21:57:08] honestly im fine with current rules [21:57:14] i dont wanna memorize 200 planets lol [21:57:22] We wouldn't really have 200 [21:57:35] I think last I was aware if we went by the classic planetary definition we'd have like 12 [21:57:57] Ceres would be one, as would Eris and I think we got another one they're looking at we discovered recently? [21:58:26] But they're still not sure if it's an actual orbital of our system or just something sorta hanging around on a slingshot orbit [21:58:39] cause that's the goofy one that goes like SUPER far out and then comes in real close [21:59:00] Haumea, Makemake, and Sedna. If you go with Stern et al on size being the only factor, there are 7 moons larger than Pluto… [21:59:48] Also, a fair number of smaller ones in hydrostatic equilibrium (everything Mimas sized or larger) [22:00:26] What speaks against planets orbiting other planets? I mean, if you include stars and moons, you may have a planet in orbit of a planet in orbit of a planet [22:00:49] that would mean moon is a planet too [22:00:57] Ah I thought Makemake and Haumea were moons in a loose orbit of others (Haumea around Neptune and Makemake of Ceres) [22:00:58] its quite a bit bigger than pluto. [22:01:20] Yeah but that's why the older definition went by orbital model than size (ie; is it orbiting another body or the sun) [22:02:02] And I guess those were the two things that hit poor pluto is that it's tiny and while it does orbit the sun, neptune apparently impacts it's orbit so [22:02:08] I have a microwave transformer but I dont want to die so I might make a high amps thing [22:02:12] Which inevitably leads to the question: Are sub-moons a thing? [22:02:20] and dont forget cereon [22:02:31] its huge in scale compared to pluto [22:03:04] Cereon...? [22:03:08] Or you mean ceres? [22:03:21] charon [22:03:35] Chares [22:03:37] Yeah but it orbits pluto :P [22:03:44] no [22:03:51] common point is outside pluto [22:04:03] barycenter silliness [22:04:27] "Locked in an eternal dance around each other" [22:04:34] essentally. [22:06:01] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon_(moon)#/media/File:Animation_of_moons_of_Pluto_-_Front_view.gif as far as I'm concerned pluto is just doing a dance swing with charon all titanic style [22:06:02] :P [22:06:09] (I forget the exact name of that) [22:30:10] if the center of gravity is outside the body of pluto, is it actually a binary system rather than a planet-moon pair? [22:32:37] Binary dwarf planet system [22:32:38] but then they changed the rules on mass and shit and were like "well pluto is smaller than our moon so why is it a planet?" <-- i don't think the mass ever was a problem... after all there are moons larger than mercury, and mercury is still a planet [22:33:27] doesn't seem super fair. Our moon is pretty darn big as moons go [22:38:14] it is, especially if you consider moon-planet ratio [22:39:16] but the thing that killed pluto being a planet was that they found a kuiper belt object even larger than pluto [22:39:35] which is why they added the "must have cleared its orbit" rule [22:39:42] which i don't agree with, btw. [22:41:38] I just think Pluto should've been grandfathered in [22:49:15] Eddi|zuHause: Careful quoting my line lol, I unfortunately said a word I shouldn't have :P [22:49:33] And at least as far as I recalled mass was one of the major factors involved [22:50:08] I kind of ignored the second time I received the notification. I guess that is a grey zone in the rules :P [23:02:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:33:59] ... i'm never careful with those kinds of word, they don't even register for me [23:45:13] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:53:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net