[01:39:43] hrm https://twitter.com/zachtronics/status/1070099643910905856 [01:39:43] <zachtronics> It's probably years too late, but we've uploaded the SHENZHEN I/O manual to Lulu so that you can order a profession& https://t.co/KD5FuVn9Hh [02:00:49] I want a professional TIS manual [02:01:00] I didn't like shenzhen anywhere near as much :( [02:04:18] i got way too deep into spacechem and didn't try shenzen [09:07:02] still no picture from insight [12:21:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/519850640160063488/DSC_0254.JPG [12:22:36] looks really beaten [12:22:45] it kinda is [12:23:31] the wings are new, the bottom is rather damaged and the paint is really scratched [12:23:46] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/519851059938721802/DSC_0253.JPG [12:23:57] I need to test fly it with the gears later [12:24:07] open them in flight to see what that does [12:43:33] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL_YjsR5XiM [12:43:34] YouTube - Soyuz spacecraft launch time-lapse seen from space [12:43:58] they filmed this one too? [12:45:30] Alex is a hard working person ;) [12:48:33] https://youtu.be/uYvPN3xKxmM [12:48:33] YouTube - taxi test [13:01:31] why is that called "taxi" anyway? doesn't have anything to do with paying [13:01:45] driving around [13:02:00] but that's not what the name means [13:08:59] in other news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QejyBUwxXU4 [13:08:59] YouTube - Ruthe.de - Die Pressekonferenz [13:09:58] winter yolo lol [13:11:40] hehe the drone [13:11:48] no questions [13:12:48] that's what these "digital assistants" do, right? they hear a random word, and then act on it as though they were being talked to [13:22:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:40:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:49:20] https://youtu.be/lPCwm4nTgzs [14:49:20] YouTube - Painting a Still Life of My Tools [15:06:29] i would rather avoid painting a text editor [15:11:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93OjIcpNuWY [15:11:41] YouTube - Magnet Polarity Switch - Marble Machine X #60 [15:11:43] Mat2ch [15:12:06] ah o fprgot aboutthese [15:12:35] one wednesday there was no update, and i forgot it since then [15:20:36] anti galvanic t-shirt lol [15:21:11] I kinda want that shirt [15:24:06] hehe mythbusters [15:24:44] Are sun synchronous orbits possible in KSP? Looks like they need precession. "it is an orbit arranged so that it precesses through one complete revolution each year, so it always maintains the same relationship with the Sun. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-synchronous_orbit [15:25:58] hehe had to reverse the polarity :) [15:26:12] no sun sync orbit [15:26:16] k [15:26:17] because there is no oblateness [15:27:43] ic: "This precession is achieved by tuning the inclination to the altitude of the orbit (see Technical details) such that Earth's equatorial bulge, which perturbs inclined orbits, causes the orbital plane of the spacecraft to precess with the desired rate." [15:38:46] at least Martin says aluminium correctly [15:38:57] europeans say it correctly :) [15:39:40] im pretty sure that aluminium wedge will heat up over time because of induction heating of the magnets [15:39:43] american scientists also tend to say it correctly [15:40:05] eddy currents [15:40:10] also all the balls hitting it [15:42:24] imagine the alu piece setting the machine on fire after one hour of playing it [15:42:43] hehe [15:43:45] uhm... that term always creeps me out [15:44:08] which [15:44:27] the one that misspells my name [15:44:31] hehe [15:44:37] ed edd and eddy [15:45:03] never actually seen that [15:45:10] i never watched it [15:45:24] I kinda want the wintergatan tshirt [15:45:32] but at the same time I have to save money [16:04:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:04:48] I want to get a long range system but most are in 900mhz [16:05:02] and last I checked, 900mhz in europe is for cellphones [16:05:23] you cant get long range in 2.5 ghz [16:05:35] 2km, not much more [16:05:54] put a phone in? [16:06:05] and use tcp/ip [16:06:24] reactivity will go down the drain, though [16:12:35] i'm afraid any kind of "long range" thing you might find is actually in a licensed-only spectrum [16:12:54] not the open bands like 433 and 868mhz [16:15:01] still 2 hours until space mice [16:16:08] Fluburtur: \o/ [16:30:34] scrolling through https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Frequenzplan.pdf there's a frequency area at 35MHz that's reserved for model airplanes? [16:30:52] not sure how that translates to french laws, though :p [16:32:29] looks like that is meant for very-low-power transmission [16:34:57] https://www.cartoradio.fr/index.html#/cartographie/all/lonlat/2.762008/48.445837 [16:35:08] 35mhz was used way back in the days [16:35:16] no one uses that anymore [16:39:07] anyway, all these frequencies tend to come with a maximum power, which will cut into range [16:39:18] use the free wifi hotspots, range is infinite :) [16:39:26] exactly :) [16:39:49] except in germany, where the copyright law situation means nobody offers free wifi [16:39:57] lol [16:40:04] it is like the gema era [16:40:08] hhow i hated that [16:40:11] wont work when im flying in the middle of mountains [16:40:23] video available everywhere, except in the german hotel, because gema [16:40:37] it really is worse than gema [16:41:02] we get article 13 anyway [16:41:13] so it will be bad for everybody [16:42:24] basically, the german law stated that any random lawyer can send you a letter claiming someone made a copyright violation via your hotspot, and you have to pay ridiculous amounts of compensation and lawyer fees [16:43:31] they tried to change the law to cap the compensation/fees and limit the scope of who can be accused, but that pretty much fell short [17:11:04] everyone on tumblr right now https://66.media.tumblr.com/e64450fd8bdb63ecb8ff7d2fe8fffe57/tumblr_pj6mx0VqIV1rrpxqc_540.gif [17:11:34] we know this website is always collapsing so we just dont care anymore [17:11:43] i've never used or cared about tumblr [17:12:15] there is literally nothing on tumblr [17:12:23] exept memes [17:12:25] i get the ksp news from there but it is also on twitter [17:12:27] ans seth everman [17:12:35] who? [17:12:49] the bald swedish guy [17:13:05] there's only one bald guy in sweden? [17:13:13] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjcNbgqXwms [17:13:13] YouTube - wii theme but it's played on the nintendo labo piano [17:18:26] I wonder if I could make an hydrogen generator with one of my compiuter psu [17:18:31] probably not enough amps [17:18:42] the subtitles on that video... [17:21:40] "Die Stromdichte liegt bei ca. 0,150,5 A/cm², die Spannung bei ca. 1,90 V. Zur Herstellung von 1 m³ Wasserstoff (bei Normaldruck) wird bei modernen Anlagen eine elektrische Energie von 4,34,9 kWh benötigt" [17:22:27] so less amps just means you can only make a smaller area [17:22:38] means it takes longer [17:23:46] that's for separating KOH, not H20 [17:23:49] what if you just buy the hydrogen? [17:23:52] H2O [17:24:01] probably cheaper [17:24:06] well the point is making it [17:24:17] I don't really need hydrogen [17:24:22] just for fun [17:24:26] H2 has a tendency to evaporate through everything [17:26:54] apparently you have to watch out for O3 creation [17:27:32] and you might even get H2O2 under certain conditions [17:34:00] and according to peter and pete on youtube water is not even made of hydrogen and oxygen :) [17:36:18] no, how could that even be. one is liquid, and the other two are both gasses. combining two gasses can never form a liquid, that would be stupid. [17:40:15] Althego: o_O [17:41:16] not even chemistry teachers and nuclear submarine electrolysis equipment operators can convince them [17:41:23] that it is not a conspiracy [17:42:04] O_o [17:42:28] What do they think it's made of? [17:42:31] the creepiest thing is they talk like telepaths one starts a sentence and an other one finishes, or finish in unison [17:43:06] i fear you've gone too far into the deep end of youtube already, you can't be helped anymore [17:43:26] their idea is, that the salt or whatever you add for the electrolite is that you find as gas [17:44:11] that makes way more sense, that salt would form a gas. [17:44:45] "sodium based gas" as they claim [17:44:53] because of the yellow color [17:45:03] pure hydrogen is nindeed almost invisible as a flame [17:45:14] but whenever you see people burn hydrogen in videos it is always yellow [17:46:02] the Na spectral line is in almost everything you'll ever burn [17:46:43] anyway they have a uniquely bizarre view [17:47:00] i think my chemistry teacher just brushed over that, not even bothering with an explanation why that is [17:47:12] less than 30m inutes remining [17:51:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o TheKosmonaut' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:58:08] music is on [17:58:17] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esh1jHT9oTA [17:58:18] YouTube - Dragon Resupply Mission (CRS-16) [18:05:23] uh I might miss it [18:05:35] eating again? [18:05:41] yes [18:09:06] mouse food delivery [18:09:10] space beer experiment [18:09:22] both mouse food and the mice [18:17:20] wooo just in time [18:17:26] 50 seconds after launch [18:17:32] jrjr [18:18:43] two vessels to the station in the span of a few days, that's not too bad [18:18:47] junior junior? [18:18:54] no hehe typo [18:19:22] yes it is their fastet launch with 48 hours [18:19:36] and it was almost 24 hours just that moldy food [18:19:56] have you ever eaten moldy bread [18:20:04] not that pleasant [18:20:56] i thought the whole point of the endeavour was to reduce the time between launches? [18:22:08] they could have done it simultaneously even, because west and east coast [18:22:30] synced ignition [18:22:42] synced docking? [18:23:19] synced ignition would be a bit pointless, though, because of wrong phase angle? [18:23:25] interesting shape of the fire [18:23:46] Scott will surely have something to say about it [18:23:58] o-oh [18:24:01] o damn [18:24:11] going flat spin [18:24:13] i guess it is going to crash [18:24:19] maybe it will finally sink a ship [18:24:24] it was brand new [18:24:24] or a building [18:24:29] nominal? [18:24:35] strange [18:24:40] the dudes probably dont have video [18:24:44] they just see the light go green [18:24:50] heh [18:24:53] we didnt have video [18:25:03] like "cant show the thing go boom" [18:25:13] it was a landingzone landing so no way to sink the ship [18:25:22] hehe [18:25:28] so probably it was off course [18:25:34] looks like a grid fin derped away [18:25:39] because they realized it is not landing [18:25:56] yeah that was weird [18:26:13] I want to see the ground view of that [18:26:25] rockets are not supposed to turn into drills [18:26:45] booorrriinnng :D [18:26:54] hah our rocket i going to pierce the heavens :) [18:27:26] we wanna see the flatspin! [18:27:31] hehe [18:27:39] they followed it [18:27:42] jsut didnt show it to us [18:28:00] but i guess they still have it, so release at a later date [18:28:16] well, now we have to wait for Elon to post the video. [18:28:21] hehe [18:28:23] on twitter [18:28:35] becasue what better way to show things to the world [18:28:49] still no deck pic from insight [18:28:53] "WTT currency for titanium grid fins" [18:29:43] KrazyKrl: oh, just by an R-77 from Vympel [18:32:09] i think reds was there, so probably by tomorrow there will be an external view recorded [18:32:14] with a p1000 [18:32:21] Well, that was something [18:32:36] That spin looked just like my typical attempts at unpowered re-entry on KSP [18:33:00] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2R9o6hzB3M [18:33:00] YouTube - Watch SpaceX Launch NASA's CRS-16 to the International Space Station [18:33:04] some speculation [18:33:12] https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1070383642986172416 [18:33:12] Looks like a fin got stuck https://t.co/H47v5h7Ekn [18:33:14] Better speculation [18:33:15] my bet is grid fin going ham [18:33:25] yes i saw the fin was at maxc [18:33:32] Some more pics https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1070385056877895682 [18:33:32] As seen from the NASA Causeway, #SpaceXs #Falcon9 rocket launches #CRS16 toward the International Space Station at& https://t.co/JCdBgyXXC1 [18:35:30] That twitchstream clip by astrozach posted is pretty neat [18:35:47] by/which [18:37:48] i guess the remaining 3 grid fins could have compensated for the spin [18:37:54] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1070386062164283392 [18:37:54] <elonmusk> Grid fin hydraulic pump stalled, so Falcon landed just out to sea. Appears to be undamaged & is transmitting data. Recovery ship dispatched. [18:38:04] hehe [18:39:23] amazing they managed to land it [18:39:46] control software does what it can [18:39:49] it went into a sideslip while transsonic, I expected it to break the rocket in tiny pieces because of aerodynamic pressure [18:40:09] now, what is the next launch [18:40:11] Yeah that was pretty good overall [18:40:38] bread and circuses for the masses [18:40:40] OTOH it's currently soaking in seawater... [18:40:58] Might be they decide building a new one ends up being cheaper than trying to refurbish the old, but who knows. I certainly don't. [18:40:59] probably that is death for the engines [18:41:21] turn it into a boat [18:41:36] they dont even do the bouncy castle landing [18:41:47] for the second stage [18:41:59] it would have been funny [18:45:12] once again i have no clue what you're referring to there [18:45:21] what does the scouter say about the urine tank level? [18:45:27] it's over 9000 [18:46:02] there was a tweet some month ago that they are going to try to land the second stage in a bouncy castle [18:46:17] but they moved all development to the bfr bfs whatever it is called [18:47:13] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/985684755877265408 [18:47:14] <elonmusk> And then land on a bouncy house [19:00:55] ISS UTL: 49% [19:01:05] switching vps providers is always a nightmare [19:28:55] https://i.imgur.com/D5qpkUr.gifv [19:34:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:36:45] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1070399755526656000 [19:36:45] <elonmusk> Engines stabilized rocket spin just in time, enabling an intact landing in water! Ships en route to rescue Falcon. https://t.co/O3h8eCgGJ7 [19:37:11] ehehe so the engiens stopepd the rotation during the landing burn [19:38:34] Yeah, the thrust vectoring was actually pretty nice to look at from that twitchclip from before [19:44:39] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:45:54] but 1 engine cant make the rotation stop [19:46:12] it didnt look like it was running 2 [19:46:13] 3 [19:49:47] maybe it switched to a 2 engine landing burn? [19:49:58] It's possible that people at SpaceX thought of this problem [19:51:04] looks like single flame [19:51:47] especially because the rotation helps to show any asymmetry [19:52:19] Someone mentioned conservation of momentum when the landing legs extend but that seems just a bit too large of an effect... what's the total mass on those things compared to a near-empty stage1 fuselage? [19:52:46] that can help possibly [19:52:58] Granted the major rotation kill does coincide with the extending of legs but isn't that pretty much when the suicide burn also begins [19:54:35] actually it was burning long before the rotation stopped [19:55:33] Yeah but the effect on rotation is minimal before that [19:56:20] the nonononono in the twitch clip sounds almost exactly like scott in the famous landing video [19:56:36] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNpDWSfSd8k [19:56:36] YouTube - SpaceX Rocket Loses Control After Successful Launch [19:56:40] btw he was ultra fast in this [19:57:33] hehe das valdez also has a p1000 [19:57:40] A crazy thought - could the fact it's leaning rather sideways at that time combined with the apparently windy conditions contribute to it? ie. the fins get to stabilize the rotation as the vertical speed drops to near-zero and wind pushing sideways uhh... I'm overthinking this now [19:57:59] yes i think the leaning helped more [19:58:12] not sure how [19:58:44] Well like these kinds of things https://previews.123rf.com/images/alexutemov/alexutemov1603/alexutemov160300919/54064191-rooster-weather-vane-device-for-measuring-wind-speed-and-direction-rotating-vertical-rod-plate-flag-.jpg [19:58:55] It'll just align itself to the wind, and stay there [19:59:54] And when the vertical speed drops to zero the only affecting force will be lateral winds, and since the thing is basicly a bick stick at that point it won't start rotating like mad (unlike when dropping like dead on like an arrow with flimsy tailfeathers) [20:00:04] big, not bick :p [20:30:08] Fluburtur: https://imgur.com/gallery/Se93y4Q [20:31:02] hehe [20:31:28] what animal is that [20:32:01] looks like a Ferret [20:32:22] can be [21:02:14] too bad the chinese dont produce live videos. it is not often that we see a moon mission [21:02:58] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v phroa' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:03:19] hehe most annoying flat earth nathan award [21:09:05] it seems reds did recordthe landing too [21:09:27] lot of p1000s lately. free advertisments from the flat earther community :) [21:10:35] What's a p1000? [21:11:04] nikon p1000 a successor for the nikon p900, it has 125x zoom [21:11:22] otherwise quite bad [21:11:32] Right, should've guessed [21:12:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SreNDDNZIG4 [21:12:14] YouTube - Falcon 9 first stage landing anomaly explained [21:12:16] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/519984240037986305/20181205220715_1.jpg [21:12:26] Qéanking? [21:12:29] planking [21:12:31] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/519984288868073485/20181205215937_1.jpg [21:12:43] lol what a trap [21:12:59] it is the tunnel to respawn [21:16:19] Althego: Bleh, that explained pretty much nothing [21:16:27] Seemed like a PR talk to me mostly [21:16:28] exactly [21:16:35] https://youtu.be/wNpDWSfSd8k [21:16:35] YouTube - SpaceX Rocket Loses Control After Successful Launch [21:16:52] i linked that too, but at that time it was already 20 minutes old :9 [21:16:59] Scott doesn't know much more either [21:17:20] because the telemettry was running they pretty much have all the data [21:17:45] but the "explanation" stated it went through the safing sequence, including tank venting [21:17:50] so they may save this one [21:18:39] there are a bunch of people filming the falcon 9 on shore works after return, i bet they are doing this too [21:18:59] the rocket looked like it was bending quite a lot too [21:19:04] or the camera mount was flimsy [21:19:21] it is just an empty shell [21:19:25] may have bent [21:23:06] I guess going sideways at like 1000kph does that [21:24:17] when air is as hard as a metal hammer [21:25:02] "how fast are you going" "air is a solid" [21:33:58] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:57:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:57:31] I don't think they'll reuse that booster. Maybe parts of it, depending on how far the salt water got. [21:58:04] I can take one of the engines if they want [21:58:15] I still want to make a bbq with a rocket engine [21:58:30] injecting compressed air and propane in the intakes [22:00:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:57:25] Is it safe to close the game by clicking close in the task bar tab menu? [22:57:41] I usually aft f4 it [22:57:49] I have Linux. [22:57:51] thx