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[07:23:58] <Dutchy45> Is there a way to review action groups in flight?
[07:24:21] <Althego> for the two last versions there is
[07:24:38] <Althego> one of the icons in the top right corner
[07:25:06] <Althego> i think it is a wrench
[07:26:28] <Dutchy45> O ok, I haven't updated for ages to keep my game going :) Thanks Althego
[07:26:35] <Althego> since 1.8
[07:26:45] <Althego> so last 3
[07:27:09] <Althego> actually these are mostly minor updates and saves probably will work
[07:29:33] <Althego> lol 1.8 came out in 2019. and it is 4 versions ago
[07:31:34] <Dutchy45> like I said: "for ages" :) I play in bursts. Months go by without me touching the game
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[08:02:42] <Althego> lol flat earthers say the sn9 flight was fake. oh never mind there is video of it from multiple people from multiple angles
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[08:08:41] <raptop> hi, Mod9000 
[08:08:55] <Judge_Dedd> hello Mod9000 
[08:09:12] <Judge_Dedd> Mod9000 is doing
[08:09:13] <raptop> ah, there we go
[08:09:23] <Judge_Dedd> hi
[08:09:30] <Judge_Dedd> I should remove that comma
[08:09:36] <raptop> huh, I was expecting Mod9000 to be whiling or foring
[08:10:04] <Judge_Dedd> I don't understand
[08:24:03] <raptop> different kinds of loops
[08:25:31] <Althego> hehe whiling or foring
[08:25:41] <Althego> it was puzzling
[08:31:23] <Judge_Dedd> What is "whiling and foring"?
[08:31:38] <Althego> while and for are loop types
[08:31:44] <Judge_Dedd> Are
[08:31:47] <Althego> and if you make verbs of them
[08:31:48] <Judge_Dedd> Aha!
[08:33:00] <Althego> to me they sound like some ancient verbs that are not used anymore
[08:33:22] <Judge_Dedd> Ye olde whiling and foring
[08:36:16] <Althego> and elon is leaking
[08:36:37] <Althego> at least he tweeted that sn10 is going to use all 3 engines for the flip
[08:37:07] <Judge_Dedd> Yeah. I was wondering why they didn't do that.
[08:37:08] <Althego> and if one fails it can still do it with 2. if it doesnt fail it will just turn off the one that helps the least in flipping
[08:38:16] <Judge_Dedd> By only using two, they are negating one of the best advantages of having multiple engines instead of one big one.
[08:39:03] <Althego> but then for landing they want to use the least amount of thrust
[08:39:22] <Althego> so landing needs 2 engines
[08:39:53] <Judge_Dedd> Yeah, otherwise they'd have to throttle too deeply and would flameout
[08:41:32] <Althego> also no starlink today, moved to sunday
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[09:03:31] <Mat2ch> The funny part of the "using all three engines while doing the flip" is that a twitter user asked Elon this "why not start all three engines and if one fails you still have backup" and he answered: "We are dumb"
[09:03:51] <Mat2ch> and I wondered if he really meant it or if it was meant ironically
[09:04:29] <Mat2ch> because there could not be enough fuel to run all three engines or the pressure would be too low, etc.
[09:22:09] <Judge_Dedd> I imagine that they are working so fast and making so many quick decisions that they are quite likely to overlook something like that
[09:22:48] <Judge_Dedd> SN10 will have the new tripple-engine flip profile
[09:24:13] <Mat2ch> that's one of the reasons why I think it is important to listen to voices from outside.
[09:24:30] <Mat2ch> Sometimes the best ideas come from bystanders
[09:25:00] <Mat2ch> and Hans Christian Andersen used a childs eyes to see the problem/truth...
[09:27:58] <Judge_Dedd> I want to know if my copper sheet heatsink behind the ceramic tiles would work (the idea being to disperse the heat if a tile cracked or fell off)
[09:28:12] <Judge_Dedd> But I don't know how I would find out if it works
[09:30:31] <Mat2ch> Wouldn't the copper instantly just melt?
[09:31:17] <Mat2ch> you can try it. Take a sheet of copper, place it over a larger sheet of 3 mm stainless steel and get a torch that is as hot as the reentry gases.
[09:31:43] <Mat2ch> but I fear to be effective you need a lot of copper which will add lots of mass
[09:40:29] <flayer> i need to add some mass
[09:40:38] <flayer> not a lot, but some
[09:41:49] <Judge_Dedd> Mat2ch, a block of copper does not melt if you heat one spot with a blowtorch. It conducts the heat so well
[09:42:29] <flayer> if you heat one spot of me with a blowtorch, i will get burnt
[09:42:39] <Judge_Dedd> But as you say, perhaps it needs to be too thick to be effective
[09:43:02] <Mat2ch> Judge_Dedd: That's what I would want to see in an experiment
[09:43:16] <Judge_Dedd> Me too
[09:43:25] <flayer> i don't want to be burnt by a blowtorch
[09:46:12] <Judge_Dedd> But you've never tried
[09:54:12] <Judge_Dedd> Copper vs 3,200 degrees C  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faxVuzwUc-0
[09:55:10] <Judge_Dedd> You can see how the whole thing absorbs the heat, but it does melt
[09:56:23] <Judge_Dedd> Mat2ch, Space shuttle only face 1649 C
[09:57:16] <Althego> dont forget starship could come back from mars
[09:57:21] <Judge_Dedd> (depending on source, a might be a bit less than that, but considerably less than 3200 of that gas torch)
[09:57:22] <Althego> with interplanetary speeds
[09:57:30] <Althego> ok, probablymultiple pass aerobrake
[10:00:57] <Judge_Dedd> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eBs7LAM4Kk Didn't melt
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[10:13:05] <minas_tirith> raptop, the solos in kathaarian life code aren't just noise solos...there is more structure to them
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[15:36:25] <Mat2ch> https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/55927727
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[19:51:29] <Althego> the takamori livestream that was cancelled is going to happen 04:00 cet, and they are not at the same place anymore. sad
[22:08:51] <flayer> https://i.insider.com/601d6f3890dd450018a7b189
[22:09:01] <flayer> picture of mars from the chinese probe
[22:26:21] Action: raptop saw the delta and mistakenly assumed ISRO >_>;;
[22:29:36] <deadmind> well, that isrong