[00:00:59] Just as they are kicked off the land to make way for more cash crops and livestock, so too are entire worlds evicted because Jupiter hates them and they're stupid. [00:01:23] now imagine how much earlier they could have abandoned serfdom if they had let napoleon in [00:01:43] Scolar_Visari: Late Heavy Industrialization? [00:04:26] UmbralRaptop: Not to be confused with the Planetary Vanguard Hypothesis. [00:07:45] is there any evidence that jupiter actually evicted any planets? [00:08:03] or is that fake news? [00:08:07] Eddi: It's a nigh-inevitable consequence of our understanding of the current Solar system. [00:08:37] You can't get the present configuration unless planets are evicted, and we already know Jupiter's excellent at depleting planetesimals in the Asteroid Belt, Trojans and beyond. [00:09:30] Action: Scolar_Visari glares at those NEOs perturbed into Earth crossing orbits. [00:09:36] Planet 9, if real, was partially evicted. [00:09:42] Planet IX! [00:09:50] If it's a planet, it gets Roman numerals! [00:10:03] The Nice model IIRC plays better with a 3rd ice giant? [00:10:23] Also, it needs a proper Latin name. [00:10:24] Ice giant or super icey Earth? [00:10:30] Terminus name is best name. [00:10:36] ¯\_(Ä)_/¯ [00:10:44] just call it Pluto to avoid any confusion [00:10:51] Terminus, appropriately, being the patron deity of property boundaries. [00:11:09] Eddi: Alan Stern might explode. [00:11:32] Action: UmbralRaptop badly wants planet 9 to be real simply so that there's an accessible super earth / sub neptUNESCO. [00:11:39] *neptune [00:11:48] I like where your spellchecker was going. [00:11:49] well, any other name starting with P would restore that old mnemonic i learned [00:12:18] Eddi: Elite Dangerous ended up calling the icey giant Persephone, after Pluto's wife and deity of seasons. [00:12:43] It's also, strangely, a landeable body being a literal icey giant rather than an ice giant ala Neptune. [00:12:56] Our Very Excellent Mother Certainly Juiced Nine Pineapple Eclairs [00:13:16] s/Our/My/ [00:13:42] the mnemonic going: "Mein Vater Erklärt Mir Jeden Samstag Unsere Neun Planeten" [00:13:54] These get even sillier once you consider Haumea, Makemake, etc. [00:14:22] UmbralRaptop: Did your mnemonic blow up Uranus? [00:14:46] occasionally you find "Sonntag" instead of "Samstag" [00:14:48] Scolar_Visari: yes <_< [00:15:37] Action: Scolar_Visari recommends renaming Uranus Shakespeare instead. [00:15:44] My Very Excellent Mother Certainly Juiced Us Nine Pineapple Eggplant Horseradish Milkshakes [00:15:45] That would fit with the satellites' names, anyway. [00:16:13] Scolar_Visari: I'd be partial to Caelus, really [00:16:40] (Caelus being the roman version of Ouranus) [00:16:43] I'm also partial to renaming Earth into, "Dirt", but we can't all get what we want [00:16:50] hah [00:17:10] Action: Scolar_Visari has a special bludgeon in safe storage in the event someone tries to argue Earth is not a proper name. [00:17:36] I also use it on people who argue that Sol is just the latin name for Sun, so I can better beat the light of Sol Invictus into their skulls. [00:18:37] random tidbit: the latin sun is male whereas the germanic sun is female (and reverse for the moon) [00:18:50] Venus should also totes be renamed Tartarus. [00:19:15] Eddi: Ahten is genderless! [00:19:36] All hail the Sun orb and its rays of light with creepy hands at the end! [00:19:55] Hands poking at your DNA. [00:20:00] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Aten.svg [00:20:28] TOUCHED BY BURNING RAYS OF LIGHT [00:20:41] are you a vampire now? [00:21:27] I AM THE SON OF THE SUN, AKHENATEN! [00:22:10] i'm pretty sure we already had an Echnaton [00:22:38] some 4000-ish years ago [00:23:34] "Echnatons Regierung wird verschieden datiert: ca. 13511334 v. Chr., 13401324 v. Chr. (Helck) oder 13531336 v. Chr. (Krauss)[2]." [00:25:44] That was old Akhenaten, nu-Akhenaten has less creepy art. [00:27:19] Action: Scolar_Visari shudders https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/La_salle_dAkhenaton_%281356-1340_av_J.C.%29_%28Mus%C3%A9e_du_Caire%29_%282076972086%29.jpg [00:29:26] .Aliens [00:29:30] <_< [00:30:06] Or artistic license plus levels of inbreeding that would've made the Spanish Habsburgs blush. [00:37:10] Amusingly, that Armana period artisans depicted the Sun as being an orb in shape, rather than a disk, means they were more correct than their predecessors? [00:42:09] but to come back full-circle (or full-orb?) the inbreeding makes it much more likely that the nobles suffered from genetic deseases like light-sensitive skin [00:44:20] Ah, but it also means you kept property, "in the family"! [00:44:52] Keeps those pesky under-nobles and temples from seizing more power than Horus would allow. [00:44:58] unrelated: i haven't really figured out to play CKII [00:45:11] I got it for free on Steam and still haven't figured out. [00:45:36] I'll stick with REAL dynasty simulators thankyouverymuch, like The Sims. [00:46:03] Action: Scolar_Visari is surprised the new Elite Dangerous beta's only going to require an hour to download. [00:46:35] only an hour? What kind of connection? [00:46:53] Cans attached together with strings? [00:47:22] i remember back when i got Sim City 4 that took me 2 days [00:47:48] Actually about 117 MB/s right now. [00:47:57] Those are some strings. [00:48:07] Must be nice to get those kinds of speeds [00:48:27] Action: Scolar_Visari notes 15 ms of ping is also unacceptable. Will write strongly worded letter to ISP. [00:48:35] i haven't really paid any attention to download times or speeds since i got 50Mbit [00:48:42] Azander: Great for binge watching everything on Netflix and Amazon. [00:48:54] AT ONE TIME [00:51:03] The trick is seeing if my 10 year old desktop can play the next version of Elite without croaking, as there are some GUI improvements that may be FPS killing. Though they seem to have improved performance as of late. [00:51:42] Action: Scolar_Visari has, for instance, noticed that stations with resource intensive tourist interiors no longer default back to blurry textures to save FPS as they did before. [00:51:47] i started to get annoyed at steam's habit of "scheduled this update for <20 hours for now>" [00:51:56] And here I thought that was just me. [00:52:13] *from* [00:52:15] Speaking of Steam, let's see if the Workshop for Warhammer II got fixed. Not that'll matter given the new DLC. [00:53:01] i also started to hate this habit of thinking i write one word, but actually typing another word [00:53:30] You should adopt the heptapod language. That fixes that all right up. [00:56:17] ... internet thinks there's a Heptapod A and Heptapod B language [00:56:40] now which one should i learn? we'll never learn [01:39:36] going from two engine down to one... much longer burn, though I guess redesign of lander didn't help much [01:43:35] .... wonder if putting a probe control station on dark side of the mun be better than setting up a bunch of relay satellites..? [01:49:27] a relay station on the pole? [01:49:49] equator probably [01:49:54] also, there is no "dark side of the m{oo|u}n" [01:49:55] just on the surface [01:50:28] I'd have to test a pole station... it might have to be pretty high. I think terrain is pretty crazy on teh map too, due to scaling issue [01:50:53] there's a near and a far side, but both are equally in the dark and light throughout the month [01:52:40] I could do a relay that follows or leads mun in its orbit.. its just getting things exact [02:25:53] uff... single engine does wonders to fuel economy, really kills roll control though as opposed to when had two engines [02:35:16] i've had enough success with just doing random satellite missions and slapping a relay antenna on them, instead of carefully planning relay geometry [02:36:19] ugh ok well guess I'm hauling 200 points of heatshield for no reason other than weight ballast.. [02:36:42] really only need 40-60 on mun return but eh.. maybe it'll help with keeping weight at the bottom for re-entry [02:38:13] i always forget that i can lower the amount on the heatshield [02:42:56] forgot to pull the figures down again, when I reloaded the craft. an 'undo' state got sorta messed up when I was redesigning things [02:43:07] ended up with a bit more fuel than really needed. [03:15:29] yeesh... [03:15:38] 595 science from this mission.. [03:16:09] fly out to mun, land, do a hop over to another biome. Take off, land on Kerbin with all science [04:06:24] umm... ok looks like making a 'car' going to prove... challenging [04:06:40] no wheels? [04:08:32] shocks/springs set at 1.8 all around for just a cockpit with tiny bit of fuel and juno.. [04:08:47] whole thing kept jumping off the ground [04:09:39] previously, I set everything to 1.5.. sat on the ground fine. Soon as I turned a corner at any speed, whole side lifted up, kicked the craft into a roll [04:10:06] I don't even have gyro on [04:15:25] meh ok enough messing around... lol maxed friction control out.. pull'n 6 gee corners [04:23:21] turn off steering on the back wheels [04:23:37] (and any reaction wheels) [04:24:31] wheels off... stearing on only front [04:24:40] ya.. I know the routine.. not my first one [04:25:21] i've not figured out how to set the traction control stuff yet [04:50:53] til Harry S Truman, the S doesn't stand for anything. Thus, he doesn't like there being a period after it because its not an initial for anything. [04:55:22] i don't think he has much say in the matter [04:55:55] he had a point [04:56:27] but in a way you are asking people to say your full name instead of just initial, which would come off as pretentious if it werent for his name being shorter than his initial [04:56:35] many orthographical nitpickings have a point, doesn't mean they will be widely adopted [04:57:18] i thought Harry Truman's middle name being "S" was a neat factoid, sorry you feel it is a nitpick [04:57:55] these two things don't exclude each other [04:58:19] also, i don't think i had ever felt the need to spell out that name [04:59:13] in any (extremely rare) situation it would even come up i would have just used the last name [06:20:19] Hello? [06:20:26] hi [06:20:29] Echo... Echo... [06:20:31] argh [06:20:33] Hello. [06:20:34] that bot [06:20:51] no, echo is not hero 30 :) [06:20:58] Action: UmbralRaptop pokes Mod9000 with a booster [06:21:13] Bye [06:21:17] lol [06:25:03] i'm not saying this too loud, but maybe we should be looking for a better bot :p [06:45:48] the bot is not the issue, the way it tries to greet is [06:46:44] not trying to sound bot-ist here, but if that is all the bot is meant to do, and he doesn't do it correctly, it's entirely the bot that is the issue [06:52:32] bots are usually programmable [06:52:46] unless it is a custom minimalistic one [06:53:16] but, is that still the same bot then? [06:55:25] if you read a book, do you stay yourself? [07:02:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:26:21] in compiler theory, there is a concept of "static single assignment", so if you change the value of a variable, you create a new variable with the new value. each variable is assigned to in only one place in the entire program [08:50:18] how dead is bzr? [09:00:07] deader than dead [09:01:45] if we compare it to the dead horse theory then there are only some bones left. [09:02:28] i just randomly wanted to update my widelands checkout, i hit a bug that the bugtracker says is fixed for like 2 years, but they haven't done a release since then [09:03:19] well, there's Build 20 [09:04:15] still upcoming, though [09:04:22] i mean, a bzr bug, not a widelands bug [09:04:57] oh [09:04:58] ok [09:05:08] then the dead horse applies. [09:06:15] i'm pretty sure that is the only active project on the whole internet that uses bzr :p [09:08:45] probably :D [09:19:19] https://pastebin.com/VwVJzi2d <-- wtf does this mean? [09:19:41] and why is that even a build dep [09:20:56] also, how did it "find" doxygen when it's actually not there? [09:26:45] ehm, I guess the findDoxygen script is a bit broken [09:29:35] also, they used GL/glew.h without checking whether glew is installed [09:34:46] i think it actually builds now [09:44:53] i'm pretty sure i forgot everything about how to play :/ [10:01:30] hehe [10:01:48] well, I did a few month break playing KSP. But I got right back in, so, it's like riding a bike [10:01:53] well, riding a rocket. :D [10:02:07] Reminds me... Jeb needs to ride a rocket to space. Again. :D [10:52:27] Alrighty, after 2 days of mod installing, patching, tweaking, cleaning, compatibility fixing, balancing, tech tree organising and testing, i think my new install might be ready to go lmao [10:54:02] 18416 MM patches... Not the worst damage i've done [15:37:04] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:38:05] how can elon know where the roadster is? [17:38:16] i thought it was too small to observe at this ditance [17:39:42] gps still has power [17:40:03] lol [17:40:19] Mat2ch do you live anywhere near frankfurt? [17:40:31] I need you to go tell the UPS guys to deliver my trumpet faster [17:40:36] lol [17:40:57] also it should be pretty easy to calculate the trajectory of the car no? [17:41:19] several people did that even with their own independent measurements [17:41:38] but it doesnt mean we know where it is [17:41:43] that is our best estimation [17:45:30] knowing the position and velocity of the same entity is impossible... [17:45:47] in the quantum realm [17:45:53] isn't that for quantum physics [17:46:05] knowing the position of a thing over time is pretty good for astronomy [17:46:15] in this size the unmodeled masses in the solar system are a bigger problem [17:46:32] does anybody do n body simulation in general relativity? [17:49:02] everything is on quantum level [17:49:39] we are averaging those things and we get a nice that we believe true [17:49:54] nice value [17:50:04] but according to the ehrenfest theorem if the potential is changing slowly you get back classical mechanics [17:53:56] https://terrifyingturncoat.tumblr.com/post/179793316735/thebibliosphere-papafargo-athelind [17:55:08] hehe once i read it somewhere, maybe in a forum signeture... before playing eve i thought basing your strategy on the enemy being stupid was impossible [17:57:50] the rare times I manage to act confident I can actually get stuff done [17:57:58] that's pretty amazing [17:59:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:59:42] called them to send you the noise generator? [18:01:35] no [18:13:29] heh youtube is trying to sell me a white shirt with a text i am fine and lot of red blood splatters [18:13:36] it is not working [18:16:49] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/509068327365378057/DSC_9250.JPG [18:17:32] Fluburtur: "anywhere"? :D IN! [18:17:39] fluburtur acquired item level 1 noise generator [18:18:03] Althego: roadster: They calculate this stuff [18:18:18] yes but they cant track it [18:18:33] maybe at the next closest approach [18:18:50] i bet some people are going to look for it [18:24:48] it is the alto cornet [18:24:55] because thats a thing [18:25:05] pistons are a bit sticky tho and I can't use it [18:25:41] https://img.pr0gramm.com/2018/11/05/a77af525c52c6203.jpg [18:26:39] Ezko I wanna see pac-man on a graph calculator... though think someone's managed to get a 3d version of Doom working on a TI [18:27:14] xd [18:27:27] oh wait.. LGR did a video on it.. [18:27:29] i used to have a siemens or samsung with bomberman [18:27:31] what a thing [18:28:11] 3310 didnt have a color display [18:28:19] but it was indeed immportal [18:28:30] TI-84... you find one at a thrift store for cheap... GET IT!! [18:28:34] legend says the shield of captain america is made of nokia 3310s [18:29:09] I still have a pair of 5190s on hand.. not using them this moment mind you [18:29:26] ..... though I technically ... cccccoooouuuullldd [18:31:16] Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didnt stop to think if they should. [18:34:04] Scientists with tunnel vision... not quite sure that's a good or bad thing... [18:34:22] good for the plot :) [18:34:43] still going strong, although there should be feathers on the dinosaurs [18:43:05] Dino craze never really died off did it? [18:43:19] did the vampire craze stop? [18:43:33] i think it did [18:43:34] oh right... [18:43:41] so the dinosaurs survived the vampitres [18:43:45] remember that being a big thing back in late 90s [18:44:27] online chat-role play place I used to go, half the people there were vampires... [18:45:04] a few magic types... didn't see any werewolve types, I was th eonlyi .. 'polar bear person there'. :\ [18:46:27] but anyways.. [18:47:21] put a relay sat in high polar orbit around kerbin... maybe a bit /too/ high.. kinda went past orbit of the mun. :\ [18:47:32] lol [18:48:20] speaking of tunnel vision.. I figured higher was better, help reduce the blind spot dark side of mun. [18:49:01] turns out even with 4 of the tier one high gain antennas on both relay and probe.. still doesn't reach [18:51:00] Fortunately, dropping some altitude costs less delta-v if the sat is already so far up :-) [18:52:30] 15Mm probably a bit too far. [18:56:20] guessing radio link coverage is pretty much complete on kerbin's surface with all them ground stations? [19:00:50] depends on the settings [19:01:06] the effective kerbin radius can be so that it blocks out certain parts [19:02:11] at least in the hard mode settings there are some blackouts which happen to be at critical parts of ascent :) [19:02:51] I know re-entry.. if you get things hot enough, radio link blacks out [19:03:13] just wondering if I put a useless relay sat out there now [19:12:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:11:10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/509068327365378057/DSC_9250.JPG <-- that, my friend, is not a trumpet [22:15:41] btw, the difference between a cornet and a trumpet (or more generally a "horn-like" and a "trombone-like" instrument) is the ratio between the cylindrical section and the conic section of the instrument. horn-like instruments have majority cone section, and trombone-like have majority cylindrical section [22:15:48] that is a cornet [22:15:58] this makes the sound of horn-like instruments softer [22:16:27] while with trombone-like you can usually get louder [22:17:13] (trumpet is trombone-like in that sense, and cornet horn-like) [22:18:07] anyway, you probably need to see a professional instrument-maker to get that one going again [22:20:23] he'll take apart the valves, polish them a bit, and then you only need a little oil every now and then [22:20:48] costs a bit more to make it shiny, and make the tuning bends work again if they are stuck [22:46:44] does eve turn in the direction opposite of gilly? [22:54:04] falalilal: Watch it in the tracking station and report. [23:44:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:45:01] hello [23:45:36] greetings, Guest34787 [23:46:26] someone here that has experience with remote pilot assisting so mk1-3 pod is in my hands ra-2 relay antenna also but when i lost contact to ksc i cant control l satellite [23:50:06] I'm not sure I understand the question. Is this a pod with no kerbals? [23:52:38] pod with 3 kerbals two pilots one engineer on top 3 satellites [23:53:32] as long as the pod is in contact to ksc i can control the staged satellite if i lose the contact i cant controll which i did not understand because i have these mk1-3 pod