[00:01:55] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:02:06] Evening, Gentlemen. [00:25:27] It's you. [04:46:51] What roughly would be a 2:1 solar orbit be from kerbin? Contemplating putting out a solar probe, do two laps and have a minimal effort recapture/recover at kerbin. [04:48:17] use kepler"'s laws. the ratio of the square of period times is the same as ratio of cubes of semimajor axes [04:48:49] i dont know the math at all :/ [04:49:45] but you can get the orbital period and orbital radius from the wiki, from then on it is literally just reorderinig the t1^2/t2^2 = s1^2/a2^2 [04:49:57] heh a insteqad of s, typo [04:51:17] and 3 on the as instead of 2 >( [04:52:38] what am i putting in t and a ? [04:53:59] t1^2/t2^2 = a1^3/a2^3 put t1 as double of t2, t2 get it from the wiki from the data of kerbin. a1 is then your unknown and a2 is also from the kerbin data [04:55:35] and what data am i looking for in teh wiki? [04:56:08] sid real semajor axis ? what? [05:00:12] Althego ? What am i putting in for T2 and A2? Semi major axis or what? [05:07:43] https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musk-works-many-hours-171951804.html [05:15:57] lol [05:16:15] otherwise if i have time i am goingto pity him (not really) [05:16:30] he does not need to work if he does not want to. so he does that to himself [05:23:13] sigh.. seems the website I use to track satellites with is semi borked... something used in their map scripts was changed and.. well.. no one's bothering to update things [08:59:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:24:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:20:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:49:03] The Director General of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, says the 2mm hole detected on the International Space Station (ISS) last week was caused deliberately by someone using a drill, and that an investigation is under way to find out who is responsible. [13:49:04] wat [14:01:36] There was a hole? [14:05:14] TBH, that sounds much less dramatic: https://bgr.com/2018/09/04/iss-hole-russian-energia/ [14:36:00] Yeah, there was a 2mm hole and it's been since fixed. [14:36:12] APlayer: yes, and it was fixed (mostly) by a patch of duct tape (yes, some air will leak still, but it's better than a 2mm hole in the hull) [14:36:28] lol Blaank [14:36:57] They took a sleep cycle while it was leaking because they discovered it at bedtime. [14:37:08] It wasn't a huge deal [14:37:10] I.e. "the crew quickly came up with a plan to repair it" = "the crew quickly fixed it with MOAR duct tape"? [14:37:23] And when they found it they plugged it with their finger while someone else went and got the duct tape. [14:37:33] wan't it in the russian built part of the base? [14:37:36] No, official station patch material. [14:37:43] It's in a russian module. [14:37:52] Initially thought to be micrometorite impact. [14:38:01] would have expected them to hammer it then... [14:38:11] wasnt it the orbital part of a soyuz? [14:38:18] It should be quite easy to figure out what made it. [14:38:33] Each tool has unique clues. [14:38:37] or event if not a tool [14:38:42] yea, a hole that small isn't catastraphic hull integrity failure, it did leak about a months worth of oxygen before they fixed it though (again, not a huge deal, more of an annoyance) [14:39:39] I think it has 6 months of supplies at minimum. [14:40:14] And it has the ability to evac all crew in a few minutes. [14:40:19] was it an accidentally drilled and glued hole? [14:40:25] Who can then initiate landing probably within 45 minutes. [14:40:28] it was also re-fixed better with epoxy, appearently [14:41:14] diliberately created means it wasn't an accident. [14:41:25] But it's the russian agency so I don't really trust anything they say. [14:41:49] you can deliberatly drill a hole in something and accidentally have your measurments wrong [14:41:52] i wouldnt trust anything the american government says either [14:42:09] NASA has repeatedly giving the finger to other arms of the government. [14:43:48] it *COULD* have been something as innoculous as they were drilling a hole to fix a box or curtain to the wall, and they just drilled too much or in the wrong place, that would be a deliberate hole causing an accidental leak [14:45:11] fair enough [14:47:02] or it could be one of the russian cosmonauts went crazy... in anycase, it being in the Soyuz module, it wouldn't be difficult to outright replace it on the next resupply (not that it would be cheap, but wouldn't be hard) [14:48:21] Wonder how close it is to retirement anyway. [14:48:53] I know shuttles were made ones and resused or repaired no matter what but the soyuz doesn't actually return much. and if it's the orbital part then it gets burned up anyway. [14:51:56] The hole was in the Soyuz itself. [14:52:26] So not actually the space station like most people seem to be reporting [14:52:37] Oh yeah, you already said that [14:55:44] i mean.. for the sake of argument... the Soyuz, once docked.. IS part of the station, it's treated as a semi-permenate part of the structure that gets frequent replacements [14:56:01] it can spend months there [14:56:08] permenant* [14:56:13] permanent :) [14:56:57] there are certain words that my brain just gives up on, permanent is one >.< [14:58:17] True [14:58:41] what would they do if the hole is bigger? [14:59:10] how can the depressurization be restricted to a smaller zone of the station? [14:59:49] the modules have their airlocks, but usually there is always something in the way [15:00:14] I would say anything up to about 4.5-5 mm would be treated as an "Oh... shit... " moment, larger? they might have sealed off that bulkhead and done a space walk to asses and affect repairs [15:00:24] ... [15:00:33] gartral, please mind the language [15:00:41] mind the gap :) [15:00:41] sorry [15:02:53] Althego, I believe they closed all the sections one by one to search for the breach, so... [15:03:17] but that is not really an emergency procedure but a debugging [15:03:31] and yea, well.. if it was deemed necessary, they'd have moved whatever was in the way and sealed the section anyway, probably also cut off utility supply as well [15:04:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:05:02] keep in mind, the Cupula module has a leak as well... the equivelent of a 5mm hole [15:05:25] it has several holes at least, for the window covers [15:05:34] surely it leaks somewhat there [15:05:40] yep [15:06:46] and the external umbillical hookup leaks a bit as well, but the US/EU side is waiting on a new grommet to repair that [15:07:07] and that's only exposed to vaccum on a spacewalk [15:08:30] and I think they have a crack in the lab from where the canada arm dinged the can? I know it's dented [15:11:02] in any case... the point is, a hole in the station isn't new, and a 2mm hole is hardly an emergency, it's like waking up one day and finding the passanger-side window in your car is stuck shut... it's annoying, but hardly a major issue [15:13:43] i guess they have to make up the difference for the mixing oxygen by peeing a lot :) [15:13:49] if cringe was here [15:14:33] Eh? [15:15:08] important part of oxygen reclamation [15:15:56] Ah [15:16:03] and cringe routinely reports the urine tank level :) [15:16:11] Oh they could hold their breath ;) [15:17:26] iss urine tank level 55% [15:17:52] https://isslive.com/displays/ethosDisplay3.html [15:18:28] Deddly: actually, no... it's very very important that you do NOT hold your breath in a LPOX environment, it rapidly raises your blood pressure and can cause nitrogen bubbles to form in your blood when the pressure goes back down [15:18:57] Well, it wasn't a serious suggestion :P [15:19:00] best way to go into vacuum is by breating out before it [15:19:45] Althego, I'd argue that the best way would be to go inside a spacecraft [15:20:15] yes but if you have to go into vacuum without a spacesuit [15:20:21] Ah! [15:20:23] ;) [15:20:59] Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect held their breath, IIRC [15:21:19] and that is stupid [15:21:28] even some cartoon caracters are smarter [15:21:50] intermission: wintergatan [15:22:06] yep [15:22:28] In all seriousness, entering the vacuum of space would be horrifying without a spacesuit. Your blood would boil [15:22:34] no [15:22:43] because your skin is keeping it pressurized [15:22:44] not immediately [15:23:00] but it would stell feel horrible [15:24:01] i cant find the scene now. specifically in titan a.e. where they float from one smaller ship to a bigger one through the vacuum [15:24:09] the older guy says theb reath out [15:24:36] god I love that movie [15:25:32] ;tell supernovy https://twitter.com/astrocrash/status/1037141272346157056 [15:25:32] UmbralRaptor: I'll let supernovy know when I see them [15:25:32] Today we posted a paper on the ArXiv about a fun discovery (also in @AAS_ResNotes): A 14-year old IIP supernova tha& https://t.co/c8vP5Xx9Ez [15:25:40] Interesting: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/survival-in-space-unprotected-possible/ [15:26:33] "one 1965 study by researchers at the Brooks Air Force Base in Texas showed that dogs exposed to near vacuumone three-hundred-eightieth of atmospheric pressure at sea levelfor up to 90 seconds always survived" [15:27:31] Poor dogs, though :/ [15:28:07] a human could survive too. the bigger problem is maintining consciousness for more than 10 seconds [15:29:13] Let's assume you got rescued after 90 seconds. Wouldn't you have to also contend with extreme tissue damage due to the cold temperature? [15:29:32] Well... [15:29:55] I guess vacuum is a great insulator, so maybe you'd not lose too much heat from your skin? [15:31:01] "In a pair of papers from NASA in 1965 and 1967, researchers found that chimpanzees could survive up to 3.5 minutes in near-vacuum conditions with no apparent cognitive defects" [15:31:04] should be fine as long as you remembered to take your little hand warmers [15:32:06] LOL [15:32:11] Yeah, tissue damage is only a big deal if you hold your breath [15:32:26] Oh hey, actual experience of a human in a vacuum: [15:32:44] " in 1965 a technician inside a vacuum chamber at Johnson Space Center in Houston accidentally depressurized his space suit by disrupting a hose. After 12 to 15 seconds he lost consciousness. He regained it at 27 seconds, after his suit was repressurized to about half that of sea level. The man reported that his last memory before blacking out was of the moisture on his tongue beginning to boil as well as a loss of taste [15:32:44] sensation that lingered for four days following the accident, but he was otherwise unharmed." [15:33:32] describing vacuum as an "insulator" isn't great, it's...not a material [15:33:58] SnoopJeDi, yes, but think "vacuum flask" [15:34:25] Deddly, right, whose entire premise is set on the opposite of what you just said [15:34:27] There are even vacuum insulation panels that give great insulation [15:34:33] i.e. that vacuum isn't a material and therefore doesn't conduct [15:34:39] Yes [15:34:40] (and radiative effects are tiny) [15:34:58] So vacuum is essentially an insulator [15:34:59] so one assumes that if you weren't moving around much you'd quickly boil off moisture from your skin and have a little air cocoon [15:35:03] no [15:35:18] in that it does not conduct heat [15:35:48] Insulators are materials [15:36:05] You can move plenty of heat through vacuum, which is why radiator panels are a thing [15:36:45] humans don't radiate much though! [15:36:51] (lucky us) [15:37:17] I mean... are we talking semantics or what? [15:37:38] correct [15:37:52] Heat can be radiated, and can also be conducted [15:37:54] Right? [15:38:09] the semantics between a model of the caloric, and a model that matches the real world [15:38:25] A vacuum will allow radiated heat to pass unimpeded, but it will not conduct heat [15:38:51] eh. "radiated heat" is pretty caloric-y [15:39:04] "heat" is just moving energy around [15:39:07] it's not a thing per se [15:39:19] In the sense that a vacuum does not conduct heat, it is effectively an insulator [15:39:20] cf. why do ice cubes melt [15:39:53] Deddly, for some value of "insulator" that will surely confuse anyone who is familiar with the scientific term, sure [15:40:08] no accounting for preference when it comes to a desire to be understood [15:40:53] OK if we're being semantic, I'll say that the solar system is a great insulator because it has a lot of vacuum in it ;) [15:41:14] the universe is an insulator [15:41:16] pack it up bois [15:42:26] OK so what would be the correct way to express that idea? Maybe I should have just said that a vacuum doesn't conduct heat [15:43:03] it would be better to wonder at what rate heat can be lost from skin [15:43:28] radiative channel should be about the same, so we can basically ignore it, evaporative cooling is probably the main effect [15:43:43] That's a good point [15:45:18] https://www.quora.com/How-long-would-it-take-for-a-human-being-to-freeze-solid-in-outer-space [15:45:46] oh huh, that's large [15:46:18] I guess that stands to reason, 2.7 K is a smidge colder than room temp :) [15:47:02] But we're more interested in how long before loss of heat would damage your body rather than freeze you solid [15:47:06] that's a nice upper bound though, since it doesn't account for water loss [15:47:25] I'm guessing you'd be dead/unconscious well before that'd be a problem [15:47:35] the brain's good for what, 3 minutes without oxygen, tops? [15:48:14] According to the discussion above, chimpanzees can survive about 3.5 minutes in a vacuum [15:49:05] So let's assume we don't want to be floating unconscious in space for longer than that [15:49:13] I think that's fair [15:50:28] If you're unfortunate, you'll be thrown out of the airlock in the shadow of the earth [15:50:40] Or fortunate, if you don't want a sun tan [15:50:45] better put sunscreen on if you are gonna be nekkid in space [15:51:37] Remind me to add that to my checklist when the time comes [15:52:05] better add it now, that's just the kind of thing you always forget [15:52:30] don't forget to take a towel [15:54:39] i want a spray-on space suit [15:56:21] "Because you will be exposed to unfiltered cosmic radiation, you can expect some nasty sunburn, and you'll probably also get a case of decompression sickness.You would not, however, freeze straight away, despite the extremely cold temperatures; heat does not leave the body quickly enough for you to freeze before you suffocate, due to the lack of both convection and conduction." [15:56:27] https://www.cnet.com/news/what-happens-to-the-unprotected-human-body-in-space/ [15:57:07] grab can, shake, and seal yourself in a bubble of some polymer... might only give you a half hour if it offgasses oxygen, but that would be 26 minutes you didn't otherwise have [15:59:35] But that still doesn't account for evaporative cooling, like SnoopJeDi mentions [16:02:43] unrelated https://twitter.com/cosmos4u/status/1037356102478966785 [16:02:44] Yes, the Southern Cross can be seen - all four stars of the cross - from Tenerife at 28�18' North, thanks to refrac& https://t.co/MLDe0ITetF [16:02:50] gartral, I think I would prefer a regular space suit [16:04:05] UmbralRaptor, cool! [16:11:00] UmbralRaptor, I remember reading about atmospheric refraction in Antarctica causing a recurring sunset-sunrise that lasted for hours [16:11:27] Sun goes down... "that's the last we'll se of the sun for 6 months" ... sun comes back up again [16:11:30] Deddly: obviously.. but this is an "in case of emergency" thing that you can grab if you've found yourself unprotected in a cycling air lock [16:12:20] gartral, how about something built into your clothes that releases automatically if it senses a sudden loss of pressure? [16:12:35] might be a bit bulky [16:13:00] I don't know what substance would be strong enough to provide a protective shield [16:13:51] the helmet in Prey seems to work a lot like this [16:14:09] although the caveat there is that the helmet attaches to a suit :) [16:15:19] hell even Starlord's outfit with his helmet works, it still leaves skin exposed to vacuum, but it's good for quick stints and keeps him from dying [16:35:33] obviously, you need an EM field that traps oxygen inside a bubble [16:35:55] hehe [16:36:13] you could use magnets to trap liquid oxygen [16:36:23] but i doubt gaseous oxygen is magnetix [16:37:23] i suppose a deflecting EM shield is easier technology than a trapping one? [16:37:47] consumes lot of power and works only on conductive bullets [16:40:14] molecular oxygen is all paramagnetic, but gaseous is too hot for it to work well. [16:41:09] you just need a big enough magnetic field then :) [16:41:55] there was something, an article or video that was trying to find out a movie magnetic field strength causing some effect and it was completely deadly [16:41:58] You should just hyperedit yourself back to earth [16:42:11] already stock, no hyperedit needed [16:42:21] ok only for orbits [16:43:07] i think i know what it was [16:43:27] how strong magneto's field is needed to be to rip the iron from the blood of the guard [16:44:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htaYu2NGOgw [16:44:04] YouTube - How Much Power Does Magneto Need to Rip Iron from Blood? (Because Science w/ Kyle Hill) [16:44:06] that sounds nasty [16:44:07] James Kakalios, perhaps? [17:31:31] http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=25187&_ga=2.250649540.391251691.1536161467-388494065.1507828560 [17:32:33] Okay, they make the PDF way too hard to get. [17:34:14] we didnt even get the event horizon picture yet? [17:34:18] -? [17:34:30] Not that I've aware of [17:38:28] it always looks like we are living in the golden age of science [17:39:35] golden age of science was 50 years ago [17:39:47] what is it now then? [17:39:58] https://xkcd.com/1730/ [17:40:06] the age of retards with iphones and cats ;p [17:40:19] Action: APlayer lolsobs at the "NASA, 2018" part [17:40:43] hehe [17:41:27] from horses to the moon in 70 years, the next 50 devoted to making stupider cat vids [17:41:36] hehe [17:41:40] what happened ;p [17:42:00] but we have lhc, ligo, stuff like that [17:42:20] i still want 2 ice giant orbiters [17:42:30] one for each one [17:42:46] LHC and LIGO are secretly operated just to image cats with unconventional imaging technology [17:43:36] xShadowx|2, I think this is why people are excited by SpaceX and their outlandish ideas [17:43:49] cats on mars? [17:46:37] OK... my boat stopped slowing down [17:46:52] All engines off and holding at 1.9 m/s [17:46:57] Deddly: some are, others like my uncle hate spacex and think musk should put the money to 'useful' things like solar so we dont need oil anymore (last i checked, solar panels used oil to make, le gasp) or burying giant plastic tubing under all roads for pneumatic package deliver to lower the amount of oil used to make gas for all the delivery trucks [17:47:05] did it reach the lowest energy state? a superswimming boat? [17:47:32] less oil for gas, more oil for plastic, woohoo [17:47:37] xShadowx|2, well why not. There's a lot of progress to be made on many fronts. Why focus on one? [17:47:56] soon we wont need to make plastics, just mine them from the ocean surface :) [17:47:57] xShadowx|2: eh, once you stop focusing on flags and footprints there's been an enormous amount of space science over the last 49 years. [17:48:11] New Horizons \o/ [17:48:26] galileo, cassini, all the mars probes [17:48:29] Juno! [17:48:35] he hates amazon drone idea, thinks its a waste of money, yet wants giant tubes under all roads, thats how much money to retrofit XD [17:48:41] i like the solar sail venus thingie [17:48:42] Apollo-Soyuz was before the *Voyagers* [17:49:06] here they were called soyuz-apollo of course :) [17:49:31] UmbralRaptor, and some of the Mariners! [17:49:51] OK I have to actually use reverse thrust to stop this thing [17:50:15] Look all I want is stupid cat vids of cats in low garvity on the moon [17:50:32] haha [17:50:34] that would be funny [17:50:37] I'd want to double check launch dates in the Vikings, though. [17:50:43] people are optional, but please bring cats to the moon [17:50:43] meanwhile you can look at spider in zero g [17:50:44] oren: fair. [17:51:01] probes get pictures, photoshop does that cheaper, sending people gets experiencing the great beyond that isnt really a beyond because its moving an inch away ompared to size of universe but ;p [17:51:41] photoshop is cheaper if you think space probes are for pretty pictures... [17:52:06] except they are for the science [17:53:14] know whats sad? art tends to be prettier than real life pics ;\ even when art aims for realism, take 50 real vs 50 fake, ask a guy whats better without saying real vs fake, and fake wins out for prettier everytime :( [17:53:47] but the real is always awesome [17:53:49] At Adobe's licensig costs, I'm pretty sure it won't take long until sending cats to the moon and photographing them there will be cheaper than photoshopping it. :P [17:53:53] as far as space goes i mean [17:53:58] xShadowx|2, you should look at more real imagery, then. [17:54:00] the plains and mountains of pluto from up close [17:54:03] how cool is that [17:54:52] or clouds and dust devils moving around on mars [17:54:58] SnoopJeDi: uhm i look at real everyday, i have roughly 20gb of pictures from the various probes/sats/telescopes on my pc [17:55:26] xShadowx|2, do you stamp-collect, or look and think? [17:55:55] Speaking of space imagery, what's up with the black hole event horizon project? I was pretty excited, but it somehow all died down [17:56:45] get one of the many fun programs that downloads images from google image search, bing, etc, and mass download - SnoopJeDi: sometimes i sit for hours and just stare at pc screen :D [17:56:59] yes, I reckon you probably do [17:57:12] i mean at the pics lol [17:57:29] APlayer: unsure, other than they had some problems getting the data from Antarctica, and that there were correlation issues? [17:57:41] desktop changes to a random every 2 min, sometimes i set to 5 [17:58:53] UmbralRaptor: Correlation issues? [17:59:20] As in, the data didn't fit? [17:59:34] Weightless cat videos!! https://vimeo.com/100993637 [17:59:40] speaking of mindblowing images: https://www.space.com/32464-mars-rover-opportunity-dust-devil-photo.html [18:00:12] APlayer: yeah, unsure of details beyond those (not my subfield) [18:00:23] Deddly: *Send a cat on a zero G flight* *Name the cat "your fault"* [18:00:46] SnoopJeDi: purty [18:00:54] UmbralRaptor: I see. Thanks for any info, though. :-) [18:01:06] LHC and LIGO are secretly operated just to image cats with unconventional imaging technology <-- for centuries, military advancement was the driver of technology, i'd say if that place was taken over by cat videos is an improvement [18:02:02] xShadowx|2, and meaningful, moreover. There's so much we haven't even realized we don't know about weather on Mars. A lifetime of discovery in one hyperspecific focus on just one planet! Lucky us [18:02:04] hehe the cat is holding on to that box [18:02:16] SnoopJeDi: admittedly, my first reaction though is drop in photoshop and colorize :| never been a huge fan of B&W [18:02:24] That is an awesome video [18:02:35] I would like to see it in real time [18:03:16] but cats in zero g are nowhere new [18:03:29] there were some experiments in the 50s ot so? [18:03:30] xShadowx|2, there's no accounting for taste. [18:04:21] Zero-G cat is not a happy cat [18:04:23] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9XtK6R1QAk [18:04:24] YouTube - Weightless Cats - Do Cats In Space Land On Their Feet? [18:04:35] but a z ero g human is happy [18:05:06] they meticulously cut out the parts of the video where the G-forces come back in [18:05:21] and they are all 2 g [18:05:53] aaaaw [18:06:24] Althego, the bit at the end where he lifts the car up with his food and it goes flying into the roof... wut [18:07:51] ah there were 2 mice inside the red box [18:07:57] box-car whatever [18:09:06] i seem to remember they sent some cats into orbit [18:09:18] i know of dogs [18:09:31] yes, dogs for sure [18:10:01] I think there was only 1 cat, and that was a suborbital test? [18:10:03] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9licette [18:10:27] yeah [18:14:38] Laika was the most unfortunate [18:15:17] definately not my greatest work but https://imgur.com/a/I9gvIs8 color! [18:15:17] https://i.imgur.com/goGQ0we.jpg [18:15:25] Strelka and Belka made it back safely. [18:16:40] "Yay, I'm in space! Look guys, I did it, and I'm fine!" ... "What do you mean, you haven't developed the technology to deorbit yet?" [18:22:22] i had that happen to me - i didnt wanna wait for a tech for an engine to deorbit, so i sent jeb up anyways XD [18:22:58] Oh no! [18:23:06] How could you?! [18:23:20] Jeb doesn't have the disadvantage or requiring oxygen or heat dissipation [18:23:24] He can wait [18:23:29] he was fine :P 2 weeks of life support lasted til 2nd rocket came up [18:23:41] he did in my mod ;x lol [18:23:45] Ooh, WITH life support mods? nice [18:24:00] ya i cant play without LS -.- [18:24:13] What a BadS [18:24:24] "Send me up, I'll wait" [18:24:27] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/486964731521794089/DSC_9611.JPG [18:24:32] hah [18:24:38] looks nice [18:24:44] so this is what you have been doing all afternoon [18:24:47] Hey Fluburtur. Nice job! [18:24:55] I had no brown paint [18:25:00] so I shaded with green [18:25:06] still need to fix the paint a bit [18:25:09] Action: xShadowx|2 pushes the start button [18:25:21] Fluburtur, Question: in your challenge, I'm up to the point where the map wraps around to the right [18:26:00] yea [18:26:31] Fluburtur, So I'm about to go north through the straight [18:26:49] you are pretty fast [18:26:55] Fluburtur, So I have to go through exactly that place or can I take the more attractive route through the archipellago? [18:27:07] It's a small shortcut, I think [18:27:18] yeah you can do that [18:27:22] Thanks :) [18:27:27] hehe [18:46:03] why is that plane cockput so far back? [18:46:10] *pit [18:46:18] it be like this [18:46:20] big engine [18:46:23] and gun [18:46:47] http://avionswwii.free.fr/images/avions/Arsenal_VG33/arsenalvg33_2.jpg [18:49:39] it seems more center-y in that picture [18:49:40] that (and most ww2 french planes) are mostly all about having the most powerful engine in as light a plane as possible [18:50:13] but maybe that is just perspective [18:50:27] I made it from a drawing so it should be accurate https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/486971346773868565/ayyyy.jpg [18:56:23] well, i'd say powerful motor didn't help them much in the end :p [18:56:56] hehe [18:58:36] Eddi, you try designing planes while being occupied. [18:58:41] the better planes didnt help the germans at the end :) [19:02:44] too little too late [19:03:05] if they had em at the start, itd have been diff [19:03:07] legion: well, the idea of the planes would have been to not get occupied in the first place [19:04:58] https://youtu.be/b_sBNX9dP-M [19:04:58] YouTube - Babylon 5: Londo Molari and Reefa [19:05:16] or just not make war on so many fronts ;p [19:06:54] Something called the Blitzkrieg kinda made them unable to do that... the pre-ww2 planes were... bad. [19:07:57] lot of new tech because of ww2 [19:08:04] maybe they should have started to develop them earlier? [19:10:30] it's like "huh, looks like this warmongering dictator who is running our neighbouring country for 6 years now might actually go to war, how about we update our airforce then?" [19:11:16] very interesting first thing I see on return lol [19:14:18] ahh b5... now I need to watch the entire series again [19:14:55] skip the telepath season. well maybe theres couple good ones in that [19:15:50] i'm assuming that show's visuals look incredibly outdated now [19:16:01] Rolf, I've seen the whole thing like 20+ times already [19:16:10] I pretty much watch it every year at least once [19:16:37] i never actually watched many episodes, for some reason [19:16:48] it's the best series ever :p [19:16:48] it feels a bit late to get into it now [19:16:50] Eddi|zuHause: sure its still decent show. besides couple seasons [19:17:24] i watch nearly every scifi show once a yr XD [19:17:28] apparently the telepath thing was supposed to be arc of 3 espodes. but they dropped a major arc after that but didnt have anything [19:17:45] so result is long telepath arc with little plot [19:17:55] stargate, star trek, b5, andromeda, firefly, all on in my NAS [19:18:31] xShadowx|2, lack of farscape right there [19:18:35] ima get buried with that thing :D [19:18:44] have farscape, so hah [19:18:53] good, second best series ever [19:18:56] :p [19:18:58] nay [19:19:14] i was always firmly on the startrek side of things [19:19:19] it was fun, but not 2nd place [19:19:28] I never liked star trek at all [19:19:34] and stargates are quite boring as well [19:19:35] farsscape.. well I loved it, then they forgot some rules and changed others [19:19:35] BURN THE HERETIC [19:20:02] deep space nine best [19:20:09] here's the most controversial opinion of mine: firefly's horrible [19:20:23] firefly was great [19:20:39]