[01:32:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:06:01] ;seen Wetmelon [04:06:01] Tortoise767: wetmelon (wetmelon!~wetmelon@2600:1700:2601:7c40:8cad:9bda:6f3e:f224) was last seen joining in #principia at 2018-08-05 22:48:46 +0000 [04:15:10] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:56:49] ;seen jeb [04:56:50] Rolf: jeb (jeb!webchat@162-229-95-69.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) was last seen posting in #KSPOfficial at 2018-04-16 18:32:46 +0000 [05:00:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:00:36] wormsign [06:05:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxnNGxXajrI [06:05:51] YouTube - Amiga 500 - Dune (Wormsign) [06:10:14] hm,wait. that aircraft that crashed in switzerland was Ju-52? pre-WW2 tri-motor? [06:13:01] ya [06:15:54] another smaller plane crashed a little ways out, a few hours prior [06:16:51] oh news say that company ahs three more Ju-52 [06:16:54] * has [06:20:44] :3 [06:22:31] Connected relay @ atlanta, ga [06:23:07] Connected Relay <-bi-> to AvionicsGDS at GDS Building #1 [06:24:59] gdssc:>set logdump 0 [06:34:30] what [09:22:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:15:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:15:41] wow. EO-1 is retiring. it's 17 years old [11:15:52] apparently it was comissioned for one year. [11:16:15] what is eo-1 [11:16:27] earth pbserving - 1 [11:16:32] observing [12:02:09] uh, my friend will be back in a week and I need t fly the vg33 before then [12:28:50] The rules link appears to be broken [12:29:18] Hm [12:29:21] Maybe just my routing [12:32:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:15:36] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:15:36] Any word what happened yesterday outside Stuttgart? [15:17:19] what does google say? [15:17:24] what does the fox say? :) [15:20:52] eh.. [15:21:32] haven't been able to find anything on google... you'd think having several fire departments called in on something would have raised a few news flags [15:21:36] Althego: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPprYMcS5lA [15:21:37] YouTube - 100% STOCK HELICARRIER to Laythe! | KSP 1.4.5 [15:21:45] this will melt you CPU... [15:21:52] no, i have noctua :) [15:22:46] hehe quite cool [15:23:25] the question for me in these cases is always, can it generate more lift with the rocket powered rotors, than with directly using the engines [15:24:16] they never stopped to think whether they should :) [15:24:28] I guess it has something to do with where to put the fuel... [15:24:55] oh, read your question wrong [15:24:58] Action: Mat2ch is tired [15:25:11] Well, you could easily test that. [15:25:46] Build a rocket powered rotor with four engines and see what it can lift and then do the same with the engines alone [15:25:55] also watch the fuel economy [15:35:33] i got to get back to creating a new wing hinge [15:38:42] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:43:20] i think the problem yesterday was caused by the fact that the decouplers dont have a hole in the center, they just look like that [15:47:21] anyone thinks i should try "baking" my graphics card? [15:48:04] it's apparently this last resort thing that people do which may work, or may ruin your stove [15:49:13] that is the natural way it is born [15:49:31] you just cant achieve a correct thermal profile with the stove [15:49:45] but it may fix a bad solder joint [15:50:09] remove all plastics before trying [15:50:20] Althego: well, you can try at least. [15:50:38] i'm not sure all plastic is removable [15:50:52] well, they may become even more plastic then :) [15:50:55] And remove all stickers as well [15:51:09] remove everything that was put there afterwards [15:51:09] like there's a plastic thing around the place where the cooling fan connects [15:51:41] they had to put those there somehow, consequently there should be a way to remove it [15:51:43] it has to go or will burn [15:52:22] well, i'd have to unsolder the pins [15:52:35] lol [15:52:35] then you should do that [15:52:59] think of this. for a lead free solder you must achieve around 250 degrees [15:53:15] that plastic can cactch fire or at least smoke a lot [15:53:40] and lose shape [15:53:51] i think the idea is that the stove doesn't reach 250 [15:54:15] at least this guide here says i should start with 100 and up it step by step to 220 if it didn't work [15:54:52] at 100° no Pb-Free solder will get liquid [15:54:58] ... we talk'n in c or f? [15:55:04] C [15:55:08] even 220° C is not enough for that [15:55:46] 220 may be enough for lead based. although i remember the eutectic temperature as 225, but i may be wrong [15:55:50] I used to work in a company making electronics. On day I got bored and clibrated the solder oven with our technician... [15:55:57] well, the idea is not to make it liquid, but just make it viscous enough that it falls back into place [15:56:01] Althego: no, you're right [15:56:33] ok then ya.. about 200c.. though depend on the type, can go as high as 318c [15:57:05] I'd still go for 250° C [15:57:20] sorry 240c... anything higher tends to get costly. [15:57:24] Well, I've watched hundreds of boards getting soldered, I know what they can take ;) [15:57:58] i used to run siemens placement machines and electrovert omniflo ovens [15:57:59] mmm... there is even gold solder ;P [15:58:11] god soldier. burn them all :) [15:58:19] i don't think they used a lot of gold in my 100Ź card [15:58:20] I'd preheat the oven to 250° C, then put in the board for around a minute. Then switch off the oven and open the door a bit, so it can cool down slowly [15:58:39] Althego: Essemntec here [15:58:56] well, not run, mostly watching. :D [15:59:15] oh wait it was warrior not soldier (in nausicaa) [16:00:10] also you could get a digital thermometer (some multimeter can do that) and measure the oven, before I try that... [16:00:28] also you could get a digital thermometer (some multimeter can do that) and measure the oven. I'd do it before I try that... [16:00:52] well, this "guide" here says 100°C for 30 minutes, then 160, 190 and 220 (again 30 minutes each) [16:01:08] it may work [16:01:23] 220 at 30 minutes?! What the heck? [16:01:27] lol [16:01:28] that's not how this works :P [16:01:29] that is [16:01:40] even in the oven they spand max a few minutes at that temperature [16:01:44] spend [16:01:58] They're max 1 minute in the hot zone [16:02:14] and got preheated and all [16:02:38] if you got any caps... I'd keep an eye on those, last thing you need is the coating to get melted off [16:02:44] i wouldnt spend this much time on this, easier to buy a new one :) [16:02:56] but the preheating is only for the solder flux to activate [16:03:05] whats wrong with it anyways? [16:03:47] with the graphics card? it doesn't survive booting the machine properly, as soon as X starts, it has a few seconds of glitches and then the system freezes [16:04:08] hehe [16:04:20] that is either kernel (module) or real hw issue [16:04:35] was going to ask how you knew it was the vid card... or at least I think its the vid.. [16:04:44] what about the voltage supplied? [16:04:55] basic vga mode shouldn't do that, sounds like my laptop when it's gpu became unsoldered [16:04:55] the video card is one big consumer [16:05:14] i swapped graphics drivers, with the other driver it survives a bit longer, but still freezes after like half an hour of watching youtube [16:05:16] lol.. I built my new system, did some cleanign, forgot to plug in the video power supply... took me a bit figure out what I forgot [16:05:26] and i swapped graphics card to an older model, and that works fine [16:05:47] there's no extra power supply on this [16:05:55] https://youtu.be/8Xanr4jkmEc [16:05:56] YouTube - Bring your video card back from the dead! - Oven method [16:06:13] the card had been running fine before.. (or this a newer one you just got?) [16:06:25] as he saus, dont try to make food in that again [16:06:30] says [16:06:34] about 5 years old [16:07:06] i was wondering how you can keep it off the metal [16:07:10] i switched graphics drivers a few weeks back, and then it was quickly degrading [16:07:17] because there are two sides and dont want to melt off all the ics [16:07:36] may want to consider looking at your power supply if its been with you for a while [16:07:41] i have an old stove that is not used for food anymore, not sure if it is hooked up to power [16:07:41] apparently it is simple just put alu foil balls under it [16:08:13] the guide here says to use baking paper [16:08:19] not sure if i have any of that [16:08:29] if the one card is running fine but only up to a point.. may wanna consider suspecting some power regulators starting to go [16:08:38] if anybody bakes some sweets there should be [16:09:02] yes the older card may draw less power [16:09:44] other suggestion is to grab a system monitor program that can record performances on various voltages to a flash drive while you run up the youtube.. see if something glitches [16:09:47] i don't think i have any suitible spare power supplies [16:10:57] the power supply is around 7 years old, i think [16:11:07] if you plugged in that other car and the system ran fun long as you wanted... I'd have suspected the one vid card.. but two cards, then an old old one doing fine.. sounds like something else is going on [16:11:19] fun->fine [16:12:13] lol.. sorry, if you were my way, I'd offer to come over, help out. Holiday here, probably give me something to do [16:12:52] not two cards [16:13:03] one card with 2 drivers. and the older card [16:13:57] all I know is, one card system glitches on at boot, 2nd card, will run but up to a point while being slightly stressed out. 3rd card, older I'm guessing? It runs fine [16:14:32] if it was drivers, it wouldn't glitch the system out right off from boot [16:14:35] actually it was 2 cards [16:14:40] 1 with 2 drivers [16:14:45] card A with driver A -> immediate, card A with driver B -> 30min, card B with driver B -> fine [16:14:59] ah ok.. [16:15:01] (driver A doesn't support card B) [16:15:09] which card if i might ask? [16:15:25] Radeon HD 7750, and 6570 (i think) [16:16:49] the 7750 i had in this system for 5 years, and the 6570 i grabbed a friend who threw out his old system. (he said he always had a glitch with that card on windows, but it isn't showing for me) [16:18:42] looks like a few people had issues with the 7750 as of a few years back.. [16:18:50] going to guess.. windows10? [16:19:01] no, i'm on linux [16:19:09] my friend was on windows 7, as far as i can tell [16:19:25] ya I'm still on 7, laptop got stuck with 10 when I got it. :\ [16:19:36] it originally had 8 but mom updated it. [16:20:18] i think most laptops have a standard oem key you can use to get a windows 7 on it [16:21:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:21:11] other than tweeking a lot of settings, seems fine for most part... it is touch screen so kind of works for me [16:21:30] my desktop win7 isn't touch.... [16:21:36] tbh, 10 is probably better than 8 [16:21:53] ya its ok.. I wasn't even going to get into 8 anyways [16:21:56] but i haven't spent a lot of time with either [16:22:34] as for the graphics... maybe try out a 'what crashed' program if there is one for linux? try out with the previous driver? [16:22:55] i tried a memtest program [16:23:07] it immediately hung with the first driver [16:23:17] with the second driver it ran fine for a while [16:23:39] that was both without starting X [16:24:13] maybe try with a whole system log... just to be sure its not something else. A lot of things can go wrong... wanna be sure something else isn't getting affected [16:24:14] hah this with the ball rcs and the thermometers might work [16:24:55] the hung memtest gave me these messages: [16:24:59] Aug 02 23:40:50 Johannes-II kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring sdma0 timeout, last signaled seq=68, last emitted seq=70 [16:25:07] Aug 02 23:40:50 Johannes-II kernel: [drm] No hardware hang detected. Did some blocks stall? [16:25:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:25:42] I just going by what I know... I don't really know linux all too well unfortunately. [16:25:55] just have to be systematic.. [16:26:48] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:26:50] it would be a bsod in windows [16:27:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:28:14] I have seen windows and linux behave differently when it comes to networking... friend's router was acting up. My windows kept jumping on and off the router. His Linux didn't bat an eye. Unfortunately because of that, he didn't think anything was wrong till the router burnt itself out [16:28:35] turns out it was an older revision of router he found laying around. A newer version fixed the overheating issue the older one had... [16:29:22] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367532901509890058/476062993440964628/image.jpg [16:29:29] fell my pain [16:29:32] feel [16:30:42] that is really painful to read [16:30:53] ugh.. they really milk'd that one >_< [16:31:09] too early for breakfast jokes.. [16:31:43] yeah, 18:31 [16:32:07] 0932 here [16:32:30] been up 3 hours already.. [16:32:36] tomorrow I'll have to be out at 0530 the latest [16:33:28] hah this is amazing [16:33:35] rotated longer than the propulsion lasted [16:33:41] did't you say you had holiday? [16:34:04] maybe i can build the compact hidden electric prop engine i always wanted [16:34:44] ya.. civic holiday here in BC [16:39:33] http://warpology.com/k/prototype.mp4 [16:39:41] hehe, it recorded youtube too :) [16:40:52] interesting that friction is modeled too [16:40:55] ;wa 385°F in °C [16:40:57] Eddi|zuHause: convert 385 °F (degrees Fahrenheit) to degrees Celsius: 196.1 °C (degrees Celsius) [16:41:08] i doubt it is really modeled [16:41:14] noticed the parts tend to hang slightly when its up to a certain speed [16:41:15] at least not in this case [16:41:15] so the guy in the video also doesn't go that hot [16:41:25] you can see how it glitches sometimes, and that causes energy loss [16:41:48] friction can be between parts or against the air... otherwise, it wouldn't have slowed down [16:41:54] yes, i prefer hot women too :) [16:42:24] i wanted a hinge but this bearing is so good i can really build an engine on it [16:45:10] probably why people use it a lot [16:47:17] normally i would replace the thermometers with cubic... [16:47:21] Althego: just a probe core and thermometers around it? [16:48:18] for an engine i would need to insert probe core, battery, rtgs and lot of reaction wheels [16:48:37] this is really just a bearing now, what i need for the rotating wing [16:51:37] adjusted the thermometers a little and now it spins for a minute [16:54:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:58:34] hrm, the probe core does fit in the structural tube... [16:59:49] it does [16:59:52] i want it like that [16:59:57] put this whole thing in the tube [17:00:35] i tried with stayputnic as the spherical part [17:00:44] but it always fell apart [17:15:47] i wish i could add an other axis [17:16:05] then the wings would be flat on the sides [17:23:11] I could charge all my batteries and go to the river with the bottleboat [17:23:17] would last me a day [17:29:35] hey Flub [17:29:44] what's your 3d printed plane doing? [17:29:49] is finished [17:29:59] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/475646452316635146/DSC_9409.JPG [17:30:25] waiting to fly [17:31:34] when do you plan to fly it? [17:31:47] this week [17:34:07] holy graf zeppelin batman [17:34:09] it works [17:34:12] omg it works [17:34:22] the col is a bit far back but i can move it [17:47:17] http://www.warpology.com/k/fold.mp4 [17:52:32] and no comment. i wanted this one for years [17:52:51] i am really pumped up now [17:54:12] Althego, nice! [17:54:55] How does the hinge work? [17:58:41] using rcs ball and themometers [17:59:40] Althego I seen someone do concorde with the ball-themometer thing. .. but also an airbrake panel and some parts as a servo [18:00:24] airbrake wont' give the 90 degree motion like what you wanted though.. [18:01:15] hmm airbrake [18:01:43] that would be a better idea because now it depends on the docking ports to connect [18:01:59] they also create some drag [18:03:21] I knew of the rcs ball and thermo's a long time ago, but the airbrake thing sorta new to me... seen in the first part here from Hazardish.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEPbXp8KeIA [18:03:23] YouTube - Building A Fully Stock Concorde Replica! - KSP [18:16:27] eh the docking ports create high enough drag that it cant break the sound barrier lol [18:18:37] maybe if i put that small cone there and connect the ports to those... but for that i need to readjust the port locations... again [18:26:00] heh the nosecones dont help [18:26:33] maybe i just change the engine to the wheesley [18:31:51] above 10 km it gets better, but still, it wasnt like this [18:32:23] it used to reach 1100 m/s, now it is just stuck at 840 [18:32:41] at least the thermometers dont catch fire [18:38:39] that concorde is nice. i think i have seen it. the servo could be modified through some lever to actuate more [18:44:14] too hot when... [18:44:37] I sometimes worry about massive parts counts. [18:49:02] Ahhhhhhh fresh copy of Win3.11 installed on Dosbox via actual floppies...the copy I have is so old that it has a ton of errors in it. [18:56:01] i think i had win 3.11 on CD once [18:56:27] "Only for sale with a new HIGHSCREEN PC" [18:56:29] lol.. was talking to friend about automenu.bat.. back from 8088 days [19:02:30] rotated the docking ports 90 deg and moved them to the close end to the wing, seems to be working, less drag [19:04:38] but it seems there is enough drag on the external components to still affect speed [19:05:10] mm.. [19:10:02] wanna ksp.. but.. means putting off other stuff. :\ [19:10:02] i want the other rotation too, so that the wings could lie flat to the body, taking less space [19:10:02] ponder using stock hinges to build a folding space station.. [19:10:02] well.. folding strut bar for solar panels and such [19:11:16] reached 1100, reached northern ice cap [19:12:31] test successful [19:12:31] lol [19:12:31] I've little planes that can reach caps, and fly back.. [19:23:12] yes but this has isru on board [19:23:17] so potentially infinite range [19:23:25] and quite fast too [19:24:28] intend to use it on laythe [19:24:28] but with this advanced bearing i might try eve with a prop [19:25:40] still dont know how to do this on duna. no amount of wings is enough [19:25:58] but it was around orbital (2200 m/s delta-v) for duna with a nuke [19:27:19] i think i know how to do the second rotation. need two steps. disconnect the first set of hinges and use a second one that rotates down [19:31:06] planes won't work on mars either [19:31:41] Eddi: https://what-if.xkcd.com/30/ [19:32:41] they might [19:32:49] and duna has more atmo [19:33:05] the plane has soem rcs exactly because of duna [19:33:55] but it is around pointless anywhere else [19:33:55] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:33:55] that rcs would help it in the landing [19:33:55] still some chutes for slow down would be better [19:42:52] APlayer: doesn't really convince me to the other way :p [19:47:28] it seem the unfolding of the wings during high aero stress (falling) is not recommended [19:50:24] APlayer Mercury should be crash & Burn.. [20:08:24] I don't understand a single word he says but it is interesting https://youtu.be/dYFYZ-g7fzA [20:08:24] YouTube - B ?>AB@>9:8 "C@1> 50:B82=>3> 42830B5;O 4> ?>;5B0 - 2A53> >48= H03 [20:14:43] looks like a turbine [20:15:01] from an engine turbo [20:32:54] Fluburtur closed captions, turn to auto translate english [20:33:04] seemed it was in russian [20:33:11] it seems to catch most of what he says pretty good [20:33:54] building a jet engine out of a turbo.. its a somewhat common hobie [20:36:41] lol.. speedy man with his hacksaw ;P [20:43:56] its actually a pretty nice build for an engine [22:48:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net