[00:00:26] <HotSpicySausage> it would be interesting if KSP had a replay feature where you could watch your mission as a video and browse it at timepoints of what happened.
[00:00:28] <tawny> well, like, you can put nine engines on the bottom of a big tall fuel tank, put some scaled up landing legs on the sides, and then fly it up, save a little fuel, and try to return to the launch pad and land the thing
[00:00:51] <tawny> but it wouldn't necessarily tell you the exact inputs or forces or mechanical stresses or anything that the falcon 9 goes through
[00:01:14] <HotSpicySausage> it would be close though?
[00:01:39] <HotSpicySausage> s/it would/would it
[00:02:27] <tawny> again, it depends on what you mean by "close"
[00:02:47] <tawny> I've certainly gotten roughly the same experience with some of my rockets
[00:03:02] <tawny> and had the challenge of a vertical landing
[00:03:25] <tawny> but if you mean "would it follow the same trajectories", well, no
[00:03:30] <tawny> for starters ksp doesn't have wind
[00:03:36] <tawny> and I don't think RO adds that either
[00:04:49] <Fluburtur> Rokker https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/387755997965320195/20171206003212_1.jpg
[00:05:05] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/387756006827884544/20171204191222_1.jpg
[00:05:31] <Rokker> Fluburtur: he's beautiful
[00:05:38] <Fluburtur> we found a cool glitch
[00:05:58] <HotSpicySausage> would it be the equivalent of using Rome: Total War as history documentaries of historical battles? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xOepuz2hBo
[00:05:58] <kmath> YouTube - Decisive Battles - Cynoscephalae (Rome vs Macedon)
[00:08:44] <tawny> yeah, probably
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[00:10:26] <HotSpicySausage> lol
[00:17:08] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/387759296131235841/20170607214432_1.jpg
[00:23:38] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/387760830667816960/20170611002504_1.jpg
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[00:41:07] <HotSpicySausage> "I can picture my own retirement already. If I were a healthy person aged 65 or older today, I would exercise my wits by trying to reach legendary rank in Hearthstone, get an occasional workout in with the HTC Vive..."
[00:41:11] <HotSpicySausage> https://theconversation.com/how-playing-video-games-can-change-your-retirement-56769
[00:41:14] <HotSpicySausage> lel
[00:53:49] <Mathuin> Huh, new module manager found an error in indicator lights
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[03:09:43] <Flub2> https://78.media.tumblr.com/33560f8dd9d9bf172c7fbfdcf2a66ce7/tumblr_inline_p009om52YH1ri4d3y_540.png
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[04:58:23] <Mathuin> Hrm now I want to drive something from Minmus to Mun.  Wonder how hard that is.
[05:00:51] <Mathuin> Huh!  Place a node, stretch it until you leave Minmus's SOI, slide it until it crosses the Mun's.
[05:01:06] <Mathuin> 84.6 m/s :-)
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[06:47:39] <Althego> https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/12/04/0519215/two-stars-collided-and-solved-half-of-astronomys-problems-now-what
[06:56:01] <ConductingCat> :3
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[06:58:46] <Althego> Cynephobn?
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[07:15:30] <UmbralRaptor> Althego: transliteration shenanigans. Compare with KOHCTPYKTOP
[07:28:30] <Althego> doesnt help
[07:32:30] <Gasher[work]> !# +
[07:33:15] <UmbralRaptor> ^
[07:33:43] <UmbralRaptor> = SUPERNOVY (sort of) 
[07:34:21] <Supernovy> equals me sort of!
[07:34:32] <Gasher[work]> sort of lol
[12:41:48] <GlassYuri> https://twitter.com/louisd13/status/938193707609681920
[12:41:48] <kmath> <louisd13> @AirbusInTheUS @MitchellAirport @flightradar24 @flightaware @AirportWebcams @A350Blog Sometimes Google photos has a& https://t.co/ccyrsfcH8g
[12:58:31] <Althego> hehe planetrain
[13:55:40] Action: Eddi|zuHause has a hard time not reading "planet"
[14:00:06] <Fluburtur> ;tell Draconiator I think I solved the bounce problem
[14:00:06] <kmath> Fluburtur: I'll let draconiator know when I see them
[14:07:15] <Fluburtur> I found what causes the plane bounce on load
[14:07:38] <Fluburtur> the LY-35 medium landing gear clips into the ground but other gears don't have that problem
[14:19:15] <Guest95393> hi
[14:20:25] <UmbralRaptor> lo
[14:20:39] <Guest95393> how create a mod for kerbal space program ?
[14:23:28] <UmbralRaptor> That depends on what you want to make. The forums should have tutorials for parts and setting up software Scot writing code. 
[14:25:32] <Guest95393> I wanter a very big modification of parts and mechanics of flight 
[14:27:30] <Guest95393> I am an aerospace engineer and wanted to bring more realism
[14:28:41] <Althego> isnt far enough for aero physics?
[14:33:11] <UmbralRaptor> Like the mod FAR? 
[14:33:25] <UmbralRaptor> oh, they left. 
[14:35:08] <Fluburtur> I wish there was a way to put a minimum combat distance in BDA
[14:35:32] <Fluburtur> I have a plane that can't engage at less than 1km but it insists on hugging his target
[14:35:40] <Fluburtur> that happens to have defensive turrets
[15:02:34] <Eddi|zuHause> <Fluburtur> the LY-35 medium landing gear clips into the ground but other gears don't have that problem <-- oh yeah i've had that problem
[15:48:19] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: go big or you don't go home?
[15:48:38] <Fluburtur> I guess
[15:48:44] <ve2dmn> (about landing gears)
[15:52:30] <ve2dmn> Today is the 100th Anniversary of the Halifax explosion
[15:53:18] <ve2dmn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion
[15:57:59] <ve2dmn> It's also another anniversary in Montreal. A dark one that I will simply mention in passing as it is highly politicised
[16:25:52] <transitbiker> for any of you music nuts https://youtu.be/zHWex94-mHg?t=443
[16:25:52] <kmath> YouTube - Piano Sounds Never Heard Before!
[16:50:12] <Ezko_> ve2dmn: 100th anniversary of something else too
[16:51:15] <ve2dmn> I mentioned the Halifax Explosion because it's Wikipedia article of the day
[16:51:47] <ve2dmn> It was the biggest man-made explosion prior to nuclear bombs
[16:57:16] <Ezko_> 100th anniversary of finnish independence
[16:57:18] <Ezko_> declaration
[16:59:44] <Leveller> Ezko_: Moriens.
[16:59:47] <Leveller> gz
[16:59:52] <Leveller> Hyvää päivää
[17:14:02] <Leveller> :) 
[17:25:07] <Ezko_> hyvää päivää
[17:28:42] <kuzetsa> such umlats
[17:29:11] <kuzetsa> *umlaut
[17:34:04] <GlassYuri> *umlaute
[17:37:27] <kuzetsa> um... lattes might have milk in them
[17:37:38] <kuzetsa> pretty sure I want a coffee, regardless
[17:50:08] <QuantumRaptor> Yay, coffee. 
[18:05:12] <Eddi|zuHause> ve2dmn: so the finnish people celebrated their independence by making the greatest firework ever halfway around the world?
[18:06:03] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: I doubt it. The Halifax explosion was an accident with over 2000 dead and countless injuried
[18:07:10] <ve2dmn> The only (weak) link between the 2 events is WW1
[18:07:28] <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, it was a terrible joke
[18:10:22] <sandbox> a butterfly was responsible
[18:10:58] <ve2dmn> sandbox: The accident was because 2 ship captain were playing the most dangerous game of 'chicken'
[18:11:21] <ve2dmn> "You move away", "No you move away"
[18:12:16] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i've seen a video about that yesterday
[18:12:25] <ve2dmn> Sixty Symbols?
[18:12:34] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i think so
[18:14:30] <ve2dmn> If that's the one, she spelled 'Dartmouth' as 'Darthmouth'
[18:15:26] <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't have noticed that
[18:28:12] <ve2dmn> Most Canadian have heard of it because of the 'heritage minutes'
[18:30:41] <ve2dmn> A sort of 'mini history lesson' that was between 2 ads on TV
[18:33:45] <Mathuin> Hah!  "Never Visiting Dres..." is a loading hint
[18:34:13] <ve2dmn> You cannot visit what is not there
[18:34:31] <Althego> the conspiracy
[18:38:21] <QuantumRaptor> Dres is just to distract you from the awful truth hidden at gas planet 2.
[18:38:44] <Mathuin> I'll be happy to enter Kerbol's SOI
[18:39:35] <ve2dmn> is it possible to place a planet far enough that it would be impossible to reach?
[18:39:49] <Eddi|zuHause> is there an outside to Kerbol's SOI?
[18:39:55] <Althego> maybe it would be just bugged
[18:40:00] <ve2dmn> As in, requires 18000dv ?
[18:40:07] <Althego> dont think you can leave that
[18:40:16] <QuantumRaptor> Out, no. In, maybe. 
[18:42:27] <Eddi|zuHause> ve2dmn: how would something be impossible to reach? certainly there's a finite escape velocity, and no object you wanted to reach a finite distance away would require surpassing that
[18:43:26] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: You are limited to around 17000-17500 dv with the LV-N engine
[18:46:41] <Eddi|zuHause> google thinks escape velocity is 13000m/s
[18:46:55] <Eddi|zuHause> from kerbin orbit
[18:47:18] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: with 999999999999999999 T800 (or 1.25E17 Orange tanks) and a single LV-N you get 17261m/s of dv 
[18:47:55] <Eddi|zuHause> so it should definitely be possible to reach that
[18:48:27] <ve2dmn> to get 17000, you only need 136 T800 tanks
[18:49:45] <ve2dmn> granted, my math is probably way off, because that was based on an old version of KSP
[18:50:34] <Eddi|zuHause> also, 13km/s means you need only like 4km/s dV, because you're already travelling at orbital velocity already
[18:51:32] <QuantumRaptor> From Kerbin's surface, kerbol escape only needed like 7 km/s pre 1.0
[18:52:15] <ve2dmn> Right... Kerbol is probably the hardest place to go beside 'leaving the solar system'
[18:52:42] <QuantumRaptor> Impossible to orbit I could see (something interior to Moho), though yeah, flybys are always possible. 
[18:52:46] <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds about right
[18:53:25] <Eddi|zuHause> to "land" on the sun means cancelling out the orbital velocity
[18:54:08] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: but you are ultimatly limited in dV but the ISP of the engine you use
[18:54:15] <Eddi|zuHause> so going from 1->0, wheras escaping means going from 1->sqrt(2)
[18:54:20] <ve2dmn> so you can't go 'anywhere'
[18:55:06] <ve2dmn> It's possible to place a another planet somewhere in that solar system that would be impossible to reach
[18:55:18] <ve2dmn> I'm just wondering how far it would be
[18:55:37] <ve2dmn> using the ion engine, you get a lot more dV 
[18:55:59] <ve2dmn> My old math said 36km/s of dv, but I'm not sure it's still valid
[18:56:27] <Eddi|zuHause> you could also add a refuelling stop at jool or something
[18:56:56] <Eddi|zuHause> where escape velocity might be even easier to reach
[18:57:00] <ve2dmn> with ISRU then it becomes possible to get MUCH MUCH further
[21:21:49] <Scolar_Visari> Could be worse. We could get another Twilight sequel!
[21:21:49] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: I just read the plot to Mazerunner. It sounds bad
[21:21:49] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I've tried to watch it. I just turned to something else instead.
[21:23:23] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders if there ever has been a young adult sub-genre movie with believable (or at least, likeable) characters and a plot that wasn't a poorly conceived romance written by people whose experience in the matter is restricted to dating simulation games.
[21:24:35] <tawny> the first hunger games book was actually pretty good about that
[21:25:11] <ve2dmn> The only one I can think of is 'The Fault in our Stars'
[21:26:21] <tawny> I didn't actually like that one very much
[21:27:31] <tawny> I thought the characters were kinda illogical or fake-deep. But they felt fake-deep in a way that people actually are in real life so it wasn't like totally ridiculous or anything, just kind of not a fun read for me
[21:27:55] <Scolar_Visari> I suppose I'll just have to stick with Life is Strange.
[21:28:08] <ve2dmn> You read the book, saw the movie or both?
[21:28:49] <tawny> I read the book
[21:29:23] <ve2dmn> If you didn't like the book, you are not missing anything by not watching the movie
[21:30:49] <ve2dmn> As opposed to the Martian movie were I think the book and the movie are different
[21:31:21] <ve2dmn> But I really want a Pathfinder for xmas :D
[21:31:27] <tawny> hahaha
[21:31:29] <tawny> don't we all
[21:31:42] <tawny> on a related topic, a wrinkle in time (one of the YA novels I have the fondest memories of) is getting a movie apparently!
[21:31:44] <ve2dmn> it's so cute
[21:32:06] Action: Scolar_Visari would really like 1:1 scale Mars Exploration Rover, albeit only for the Pu-238.
[21:32:41] <Scolar_Visari> tawny: Meanwhile, I must still wait for an adaptation of Rendezvous with Rama.
[21:32:43] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: if it's a reproduction, it might be Puny-238 instead
[21:32:57] <tawny> ahhhh
[21:33:10] <tawny> I'm not so sure I want that, anymore
[21:33:23] <tawny> I'm too afraid whoever writes/directs it would just make it bad
[21:34:12] <ve2dmn> tawny: you know that the author of The Fault in Our Stars has a youtube channel?
[21:34:32] <tawny> I think I heard about that
[21:34:52] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Enough for my, erm, research purposes.
[21:34:59] <Supernovy> (by the way, our stars have no faults, they are fusing well within operational limits)
[21:35:04] <Scolar_Visari> The ULTIMATE Lava Lamp!
[21:35:17] <tawny> hahaha
[21:35:20] <ve2dmn> I liked his crash course history video
[21:35:52] <tawny> "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in our universe, that it has entropy"
[21:36:02] <Scolar_Visari> tawny: Given the well received nature of Arrival (the Amy Adams one, not the Charlie Sheen one), I think the world is prepared for a Rendezvous with Rama adaptation.
[21:36:17] <Supernovy> You get Bismuth-209 instead
[21:36:24] <tawny> oh, that is a good point, arrival was done rather well
[21:36:35] <tawny> I'm worried it'll end up more like gravity, but hopefully not
[21:36:36] <Supernovy> It's not so much radioactive, as radioactish
[21:36:50] <ve2dmn> link to example of crash course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhL5DCizj5c
[21:36:50] <kmath> YouTube - Coal, Steam, and The Industrial Revolution: Crash Course World History #32
[21:36:58] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy: Does it glow in the dark without an external power source?
[21:37:31] <Supernovy> It glows almost as brightly as Marie Curie's diary.
[21:37:33] <Scolar_Visari> tawny: It shouldn't be too hard. Just wide angle shots of a human spaceship drifting towards a giant cylinder.
[21:37:39] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy: Eh, close enough.
[21:44:50] <ve2dmn> btw, the reason I linked to that specific episode is that it help to remind me that we live in interesting times
[21:46:10] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, the most interesting time in history was when that one person invented fire.
[21:47:14] <ve2dmn> For most of humanity things were grim, life expectancy was low, most never travel very far and the vast majority of people were farmers...
[21:47:27] <ve2dmn> ... now I can watch a live stream from the ISS
[21:48:12] <ve2dmn> and talk with random people across the globe about my trip 10000km from home
[21:49:15] <ve2dmn> (I'm talking about with Japan trip with people from the Netherland in an other channel)
[21:49:18] <Scolar_Visari> Eh, life expectancy hasn't actually changed that much if you remove deaths during childbirth.
[21:49:56] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: I'm alive because of modern medecine. 150 years ago, my appendix would have killed me at 15
[21:49:57] <Scolar_Visari> And life *during* the industrial revolution did NOT improve. Lives got shorter and more brutal for people who made the transition from rural life to early modern cities.
[21:50:31] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: People sort of still die from that.
[21:50:46] <ve2dmn> True
[21:51:16] <ve2dmn> but it used to be fatal everywhere
[21:52:40] <tawny> also the whole childbirth thing itself is definitely way better than it used to be, which is nice
[21:58:14] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to restart Windows for an ill timed update.
[21:59:36] <transitbiker> frustrating that thrust lines are blocked by wings and control surfaces - in reality the exhaust would slipstream around the part
[22:01:04] <transitbiker> wow, 17:00 and already dark out
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[22:34:06] <sandbox> supreme champion https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQVkvzdVwAAvLQy.jpg:large
[22:51:01] <Leveller> hah
[22:51:15] <Leveller> NiceHash mining site is hacked.
[22:51:15] <Leveller> (bitcoin) sorry for offtopic.
[22:53:05] Action: QuantumRaptor quacks at sandbox 
[22:53:17] <sandbox> speaking of bitcoin, valve are dropping it as a payment option
[22:53:35] <Leveller> oh.
[22:53:38] <Leveller> how sad.
[22:53:48] <KrazyKrl> That sarcasm though...
[22:53:50] <Leveller> i got "a few" as in part of a bitcoin.
[22:53:51] <Leveller> :P
[22:54:20] <Supernovy> not honks?
[22:59:50] <QuantumRaptor> Oh, like a goose? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_goose#/media/File%3AKanadagans_Branta_canadensis.jpg
[23:00:39] <KrazyKrl> Around here, the geese are savage.
[23:05:46] <tawny> I'm pretty sure they're savage everywhere
[23:06:08] <Supernovy> something something that vehicle has far too many canards
[23:06:47] <tawny> hahaha
[23:08:38] <QuantumRaptor> nice 
[23:09:32] <KrazyKrl> Canardida?
[23:14:02] <FireFlower> i have made a discovery in IT
[23:14:13] <FireFlower> exFAT formatting matters on USB sticks!
[23:14:31] <FireFlower> http://usbflashspeed.com/274288 vs http://usbflashspeed.com/274292
[23:15:08] <KrazyKrl> trading compatability for speed it seems.
[23:15:13] <KrazyKrl> sounds about right.
[23:15:57] <FireFlower> i thought exfat was pretty much supported by everything except DOS?
[23:16:30] <KrazyKrl> Well, it's been reverse engineered because it's a proprietary microsoft spec for SD cards.
[23:16:42] <KrazyKrl> Microsoft has the only "official" implementation.
[23:17:02] <FireFlower> i am pretty sure MACS were completely fine without any hiccups..
[23:17:18] <FireFlower> linux kernels used to have issues but those seem to be long gone also
[23:17:27] <FireFlower> like *cough* audio * cough* problems
[23:18:51] <KrazyKrl> The fact is... "there is no financial incentive for open-source vendors to purchase a license for these algorithms"
[23:19:14] <KrazyKrl> why would you need an extra MB/sec or so of write speed?
[23:19:54] <FireFlower> because small files are painful to transfer to stick when you're not paid hourly? :D
[23:21:03] <FireFlower> testing also my old USB 2.0 sticks
[23:21:06] <FireFlower> never tested them
[23:21:20] <KrazyKrl> zip them?
[23:21:57] <FireFlower> my oldest stick is pqi USB 2.0 4GB (used to be smallest in the market)
[23:22:10] <KrazyKrl> Also, are those sequential write blocks, random write blocks, or sector size of the formatted SD card?
[23:22:25] <FireFlower> write blocks
[23:22:29] <FireFlower> files are bigger
[23:22:37] <KrazyKrl> I have a USB 1.0 2GB that I paid $120 for like 20 years ago.
[23:22:47] <FireFlower> 2GB?
[23:22:52] <FireFlower> you mean 2MB? :D
[23:23:02] <FireFlower> My sister used to own 128MB USB 1.0 stick
[23:23:13] <KrazyKrl> it's a sandisk 2GB flash drive
[23:23:30] <FireFlower> 97 for 2GB..
[23:23:41] <FireFlower> for $120 it sounds cheap
[23:23:56] <FireFlower> I remember my computer internal 5.25" HDD was 4GB that time
[23:23:57] <KrazyKrl> yea, it was. and at the time 2GB was gigantic.
[23:24:12] <KrazyKrl> I used to use a powermac 5500 with a 1.5GB HDD :/
[23:24:26] <KrazyKrl> And my IBM XT has one of those $3000 10MB HDDS
[23:24:36] <FireFlower> I used to have Packard Bell Media PC (overkill by these days)
[23:24:59] <FireFlower> had pretty much anything you could imagine would be e-penis viagra these days
[23:25:04] <KrazyKrl> Dual 5" floppy drives, a 10MB HDD, and a modem. Someone put real money into this IBM XT.
[23:28:02] Action: QuantumRaptor is fairly certain that FireFlower is pushing the language rule 
[23:28:05] <FireFlower> 16000 Finnish marks in 1996... 15" 1024x764 full color VGA monitor, Roland LAPC-I, Intel Pentium 1 "MMX" 200MHz, 32MB EDO-RAM, 4GB Seagate 5.25" drive, 2x 3.5" floppies, 8x CD-ROM drive, Analog TV, Virtual Fax & VOIP (BEFORE IT WAS A THING!), 36.8k MODEM, Windows 95 Packard Bell Edition (Customized by MS lol)
[23:28:22] <QuantumRaptor> (carry on with vintage computing) 
[23:28:44] <FireFlower> Voodoo 2 and 3!
[23:29:00] <KrazyKrl> A video card?! wat
[23:29:02] <FireFlower> also
[23:29:09] <FireFlower> Video capturing card!
[23:29:38] <FireFlower> also dedicated game port, 2x USB 1.1 and 1 USB port at front panel!
[23:29:56] <FireFlower> IR remote to control mouse, phone or tv!
[23:30:17] <FireFlower> Good stereo speakers (no bass though)
[23:30:40] <KrazyKrl> iirc i went from a powermac 5500... to some weird athlon or 686 or something... to a pentium 4.
[23:30:46] <FireFlower> And the crazy thing is I had no idea we actually had the meanest machine in my home town :D
[23:31:21] <FireFlower> I was complaining my friend that his Duke Nukem 3D must be different version because sounds were totally "blant" (Cheap soundblaster Midi)
[23:31:32] <FireFlower> little did I know back then :D
[23:31:46] <KrazyKrl> I've only had like 5 computer systems in my life.
[23:32:14] <KrazyKrl> Well, along with the tens of other computers i've used.
[23:32:23] <KrazyKrl> At least I seem to have skipped windows Me.
[23:32:49] <KrazyKrl> (My engineering class was straight win2k pro NT.)
[23:33:03] <FireFlower> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr-84mjV3CI
[23:33:03] <kmath> YouTube - The Secret of Monkey Island with various sound cards
[23:33:32] <FireFlower> compare 1:32 and 4:50
[23:33:42] <FireFlower> that was my difference back then :D
[23:33:54] <KrazyKrl> Playing quake 3 on like $7000 CAD systems was funny though. "You mean this computer can run Quake at max?!"
[23:34:22] <FireFlower> you mean you don't have SlideFX? 
[23:34:36] <KrazyKrl> Along with the honkin massive CRT flat screen monitors.
[23:34:41] <KrazyKrl> Yes, CRT flat screen.
[23:35:03] <FireFlower> the weird thing people don't know anymore about SlideFX... it was a thing along with OpenGL and DirectX... though It was a way better!
[23:35:14] <FireFlower> better graphics, higher framerates :D
[23:35:15] <KrazyKrl> iirc these were OpenGL machines.
[23:35:31] <FireFlower> ah CRT flat screens
[23:35:50] <KrazyKrl> They weren't thin, or light, but the screen surface was flat.
[23:35:52] <FireFlower> never again going to take those to lan parties
[23:36:03] <KrazyKrl> They were probably 24" CRTs
[23:36:23] <FireFlower> it was kinda funny back in 2006 most people still were using CRT's
[23:36:37] <FireFlower> then 2009 suddenly majority all ready using TFT flats
[23:37:11] <KrazyKrl> Because they were shoved as new hardware by the manufacturers.
[23:37:26] <KrazyKrl> That's the main reason 4k gaming is a thing, instead of 144hz gaming.
[23:37:43] <KrazyKrl> it's much more expensive to run at 4k currently.
[23:37:47] <FireFlower> 4K is awesome on 42" monitor
[23:38:04] <FireFlower> pixel sniping got a whole new meaning that way :D
[23:38:27] <FireFlower> I think our first PC was... Atari PC-1..
[23:38:55] <KrazyKrl> I had a ][e that we probably bought from the local elementary school for wholesale.
[23:38:56] <FireFlower> 5.25" floppy drive, I think it had EEROM as main storage to store OS..
[23:39:14] <KrazyKrl> it had dual external floppy drives :/
[23:39:29] <FireFlower> heh but did you have 1500b/s modem made by Nokia?
[23:39:44] <FireFlower> my Mother was the first ones in Finland to try working from home :D
[23:39:54] <FireFlower> that modem though :D
[23:39:59] <FireFlower> 1500b/s...
[23:40:29] <KrazyKrl> All that I can think about now, in regards to old modems... are scenes from Sneakers.
[23:40:43] <KrazyKrl> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105435/
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