[02:03:53] https://social.shadowkat.net/media/91f967d256c4b55b3daffc102e8bd7141863415f1ad2bf35804c7f4ced82d2f2.jpg [02:04:30] succesfull research mission? [02:04:38] yees [02:04:46] Also testing the MkIII MunFlea [02:05:10] The cargo containers being inaccessable from the ground posed ... some issues. [02:05:18] But some well-timed jumping solved that. [02:05:55] Now I just have to figure out what to do with the 2km/s of dV I've got sitting on the Mun's surface. [02:06:21] I guess 1x biome hop before going home? [02:06:36] Not a bad idea. [02:32:02] https://social.shadowkat.net/media/a839b95a508338251f333db4b457b544117843610b6569ceab5a823af8b29249.png [02:33:22] Izaya: DoS-ing yourself again, huh? :P [02:33:30] Always. [02:33:58] (Not actually, in this case; the jpeg-ified KSP screenshots are small enough to not take out my internet) [02:34:28] Sadly the second one was a PNG :p [02:34:34] Oh. [02:34:36] Oops. [02:34:41] I'm sure it's fine, it was only one. [02:36:01] It should be fine unless you're having koalas hand-carry the packets? [02:36:21] Got em going double-file, so I have a little more leeway than usual. [02:59:58] And now for the return. https://social.shadowkat.net/media/afc68c39afc2296c1aff2c2fe9a55e82f83e7b01ecb2a07006a94207f23c79c8.jpg [03:05:01] Orange juice and bananas [04:17:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:22:43] Izaya: those moments are always nice [04:48:55] hehe, anton: over 9000 trojans. (me instantly : over 9000!!!!) [05:03:17] omg, kiara's actual hands [05:05:49] Is she being lewd again? [05:06:34] not yet [05:09:09] And presumably she's not going to pull a haachama [05:09:21] corn flakes????? [05:10:36] Action: raptop shrugs [05:16:06] I mean, walnuts, almonds, etc are $$$$ [05:19:39] Realised I could cram two rovers into a 2.5m fairing and get a balanced payload out of it.https://social.shadowkat.net/media/557415ebb8dada0e21c8eea8df3d73e3c99102da26a9c45502b23df11b9fd67d.jpg [05:20:22] there are the moon rover wheels those can fold themselves, so yes, you can do that. i never thought of that before [05:20:49] Nice [05:20:51] Having them clip slightly makes one deploy more easily [05:21:08] i guess they just spring out on detach [05:21:12] yee [05:21:18] hm I should try deploying both at the same time [05:21:35] if I had any spare memory I'd record it [05:23:16] Well, one flipped upside down, but I suspect that was the fairing underneath it. [05:23:18] end of this year i want to do an all amd build [05:23:29] Action: umaxtu sends lzaya a link to download more ram [05:23:31] ... aaaand KSP crashed. [05:23:38] no nvenc there [05:23:42] I have two unused memory slots but they don't seem to work >.> [05:23:55] Althego, I'm drooling over a non-gamery AMD motherboard [05:24:11] but maybe with all those cores i am not going to need nvenc [05:24:12] https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B550-VISION-D-rev-10#kf [05:24:15] I'm running an RX 580 and like, eh, the lack of hardware video encoders isn't a massive deal [05:24:17] its so pretty [05:24:31] hah dual m.2 [05:24:43] It's not like I've got a bunch of cores either, just rocking a 4790 [05:24:58] little brother! [05:24:58] i have only one, so i cant copy the stuff to a new one easily [05:25:13] lzaya, I've got a 4790k [05:25:33] Though I do cheat when I'm streaming; I spew only-just-compressed video over my LAN to my server, which can throw all 4 cores/8 threads of the E3-1231v3 at [05:25:34] ayy [05:25:36] haswell stronk [05:25:53] my motherboard's m.2 slot is only pcie 2.0 x2 [05:25:53] I'm running my "locked" 4Ghz 4790 at 4.14Ghz [05:26:08] nice motherboard, but am4 is end of life [05:26:25] 103.5Mhz base clock because I hate sanity [05:26:46] eh, its never worth it to upgrade cpus within the lifespan of a socket anyway [05:27:07] that might explain part of your stability problems [05:27:14] i start from scracth every 6 years or so [05:27:36] same here. therefore, AM4 being EOL isn't an issue for me [05:28:40] but this year is quite dark, video cards out of stock with insane prices, chip shortages to the point where car factories shut down [05:29:04] i hope it will be better in december [05:30:30] Instability is just part of the fun [05:30:35] part of the problem with the automakers is that they cancelled or cut back their orders at the start of the pandemic [05:30:45] also I don't have any swap; I'm just using zram so when I run out of memory it can attempt to not die [05:31:03] swap on GPU memory is of limited utility [05:31:11] if you need to swap then you already have problems [05:31:26] I thought zram was a ramdisk [05:31:30] That's my thinking too, but my board only does 16GB [05:31:32] this turned out to be more corn flakes than chocolate [05:31:48] ZRAM gives you a compressed chunk of RAM [05:31:51] which you can format as swap [05:31:56] and get compressed in-memory swap [05:31:57] 16 gb should be enough for any non production use [05:32:10] so when you run out of memory it starts compressing it [05:32:37] Althego, it gets a bit tight when running VMs [05:32:51] yes, i consider that production use [05:33:11] Additionally, when KSP + mods has a mild memory leak and Steam has an eternal memory leak and you don't restart your computer often... [05:33:45] holy crap, my uptime in windoze is up past 10 days [05:33:47] i wish proxmox updated the kernel to get rid of that annoying leak [05:34:00] Plus web browsers are heavy [05:34:03] proxmox isn't BSD-based? [05:34:17] Izaya, Lynx masterrace [05:34:35] on bare lxc hosts i needed to upgrade kernels until i finally reached 5.7 where it disappeared. proxmox has the same issue, so a restart is needed every 3-4 weeks [05:34:46] I wish to use WebPositive but 3D acceleration on Haiku is presently lacking [05:35:06] proxmox is debian based [05:35:35] just use templeos. it doesn't even have a network stack [05:35:41] hehehe [05:35:50] Don't tempt me. [05:35:52] no support, since the developer is dead [05:35:58] you laugh, but that guy was a legit genius [05:36:04] insane, but a genius [05:36:05] RIP Terry [05:36:12] Too good for this world. [05:36:34] Okay I'm fairly sure the rovers are getting flipped by the fairings. I can solve this. [05:36:44] a single guy writing a non embedded os from scratch, that is a gargantuan work [05:37:52] since we were talking machines a minute ago, https://imgur.com/cjui20E.png [05:38:23] good 'ol Arch [05:38:30] I've kinda regressed to Pop! [05:38:45] and Windows [05:38:53] Well, both rovers deployed properly, but the scanning arm on the front went boom. [05:40:53] And yeah, too lazy to use anything else right now. Everything works, why change? [05:41:13] <3 pacman [05:41:36] Is HyperEdit still a thing? [05:41:47] I need to test this on the surface of the Mun. [05:42:00] Not sure, but the debug menu should let you teleport there [05:42:37] Oh, that seems largely preferable. [05:43:36] i teleported before the cheat menu was a thing. just needed a save and edit the body [05:44:30] but the menu makes testing a lot easier [05:44:43] Perfect deployment! [05:45:41] https://social.shadowkat.net/media/49d01ada2ada00c8ac6d6b2556901fb4972ad58a187759ce3c7d9766a911a4bc.jpg [05:46:43] have to continue the career. still in 4th hour of day 1 [05:46:48] hip hip! hooray! [05:47:20] I keep meaning to do a kOS playthrough, but I always wind up using mechjeb [05:48:58] https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/ewn6wj/wait_what/ [05:50:26] I really don't have the time right now anyway. I just switched from community college to a four-year school and the difference in workload is kicking my butt [05:54:40] https://social.shadowkat.net/media/a497cb38145d406141e3335c3c670d438fe1c527d70517ec1cdbfcd8ea810b96.webm [05:56:50] spacex legs [05:57:15] the problem with stock lgs that tehy doint really extend outward [05:57:32] ok, with robotics now you can build your legs [05:59:26] i guess it is time to collect science from around ksc, with the first rolling thingie that is not two capsules [06:03:22] yeah you need to land really flat to use stock legs, the SpaceX legs are much wider [06:03:27] lets you land on much less pleasant terrain [06:22:25] huh that took almost 19 minutes [06:23:04] that flagpole is really stubborn [06:33:29] note to self, deploy legs before fairings or everything will spin violently [06:33:58] kerbal physics? [06:34:13] yup [06:34:37] if I don't deploy the legs first, when the fairings deploy they clip through and exert Fun forces onto my rover delivery vehicle. [06:36:29] I really need to figure out some way to configure my ascent script while in the VAB. [06:41:54] I need to unlock those tiny SRBs so I can bump my boosters back into the atmosphere. [06:42:28] you can use any solid for that [06:43:20] The tiny ones would be most convenient though [06:43:28] I could just have them point up and attached radially [06:43:36] but i usually choose those new small ones which are the smallest diameter. sepratrons were usually too small for that, but those small ones are nice [06:45:24] SpaceX put a car into orbit? Cool. I put two into orbit with enough dV left over to go to the moon. https://social.shadowkat.net/media/e21e135ab77f1d36b5ed3a41c60bfd5a4dc23e323449701d3d04ce6ee9c823fb.jpg [06:46:03] I'm not sure how to feel about the fact this thing works. [06:46:18] here the sickle and hammer is a banned symbol by law [06:46:39] Saw on Wikipedia there's a few places where it is. [06:46:45] along with 4 other [06:52:40] Slapped two 0.625m SRBs on the top of my booster. Let's see if that solves my problem. [06:53:13] delayed activation would be a nice thing to have [06:53:18] yeah [06:53:27] a fuse, if you will [06:53:38] my usual booster design has a probe core on it so it can flip and burn [06:54:01] inconvinient to place there because the cores are a lot smaller than the tanks [06:54:46] yeah and I don't have the 2.5m service bays unlocked yet either [06:56:18] still have 57 minutes until the end of day one. i can take science plane 1 and finish these temperature missions [06:58:12] close to ksc. and one is on the ground [06:59:01] wait, where did that go? [07:00:31] none of these were close to expire [07:01:43] too bad, now it would have been free science [07:01:49] but i didnt have the means before [07:04:40] Guess I'll have to think about actual kerbal-habitable Mun base modules soon. [07:06:24] blue temperature gauge symbol on the blue sky. barely visible. just who came up with this [07:21:02] Probably some mantis shrimp [07:21:49] Althego: and on a completely unrelated note, "And then Ollie was a zombie" [07:24:30] flirty zombie [07:26:00] extremely [07:31:05] fastest harem collector in ID [07:37:21] heh [07:37:38] hololive polycule [07:42:53] we are devolving faster t han expected [07:44:16] ok, probe is in orbit around the mun, now have to wait until it come out on the other side [07:45:14] maybe an other round with bob around ksc, and then i can send him away to the mun [08:52:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:04:57] no flat earth. but i found a geocentrist [10:07:12] Hey, bot. I wanna see the channel log so gimme [10:09:31] Had a bit of a run-in with a flat earther who tried to explain away the fact that the moon appears upside down in the southern hemisphere because it's like going to the other side of the room and looking at your light bulb from there. [10:09:57] I said, "Are you implying that I can travel from America and go underneath the moon and view it from the other side?" [10:11:46] His response was that, no, that's not what he's saying and I'm unintelligent and unable to grasp something so simple and am not worth his time. [10:14:14] HEHE [10:15:14] i havent seen one in real life [10:15:16] its so weird that there's flat earthers [10:15:25] no, not really [10:15:40] I mean, he has plenty of time to spurt insults, but he refused to answer one simple question: "Why does the moon turn upside down in the southern hemisphere but not if I go east or west?" [10:15:46] i guess they were always there, but modern technology allows them to put themselves out there for everybody to see [10:16:44] No, flat earthers have grown in number greatly because the YouTube algorithm keeps filling their recommendations with one-sided trash because that's what they watch [10:17:10] they are actively suppressed by youtube for a while now [10:17:18] but they already needed to have watched that stuff to begin with [10:17:23] Now they are, yes [10:18:16] That's almost encouragement [10:18:43] Flayer, All you need to do is come across one single video, watch it, and you're already on the event horizon of a black hole of whatever subject you just watched [10:18:56] i remember in 2015 or something, alex jones was recommended to me [10:19:09] after i watched some documentary on the cia [10:19:46] I wonder what my youtube recommendations would look like nowadays... [10:19:50] At one point, it was even enough to see a video proving flat earthers wrong for the recommendations to be filled to the bring with flat earth propaganda and other trash [10:19:51] its weird that people listen to him and think 'yes, he makes sense' [10:20:20] its obvious he is exaggerating wildly/spinning stories for narrative [10:20:40] just like that other guy, james corbett [10:20:46] Probably because he has a TV show. People believe TV [10:21:00] Or is it radio [10:21:12] that's really one of the most disturbing things -- how much people revere television shows/hosts [10:22:53] Exactly [10:24:10] What's sad is that some of these people will believe their ideas so blindly that it's impossible to reason with them. They'll resort to insults as soon as you try to argue the point, no matter how respectfully you do it. [10:24:43] Not all, but sadly many [10:24:53] every belief is a religion these days [10:25:50] And the moral to the story is: Never dismiss someone outright when they challenge your beliefs. Listen respectfully and reason back respectfully. Perhaps one person will learn something [10:27:21] no, i don't believe that! everyone should only belief what the moving pictures in the box say! [10:27:33] lalalala i can't hear you! [10:27:47] :) [10:37:48] heh, guy claims to understand general relativity, yet does not understand how rockets work. (yes, of course it pushes against the air behind it) [10:38:00] so annoying [10:38:39] That's pretty common I think. [10:39:04] Because, intuitively, we are used to things pushing against other things to make them move [11:49:43] Althego: See infamous NYT article? [11:49:51] no [11:53:08] http://www.rfcafe.com/miscellany/factoids/images/ny-times-correction-goddard.jpg <- from the New York Times, July 17 1969 [11:54:52] uhm, funny [11:55:04] rocket in vacuum deniers [11:55:06] :D [12:25:00] hehe [12:26:15] 1969? haha [13:16:36] alright [13:16:44] i'm going to learn to build a helicopter in kerbal [13:17:03] ...but probably not this afternoon [13:22:50] hehe [13:23:06] it is kind of hard even with the new parts [14:04:29] Might also launch some rovers with fuel tanks, for re-fueling ships on the Mun's surface. [14:04:55] Lot easier than landing them next to the actual thingos. [14:19:07] These should do. https://social.shadowkat.net/media/65735a89c3da08d1e2ec2208dd896a019d8ba698959e13b3f8c032f195fbe69e.jpg [14:19:28] make the nose a bit pointier for aero [14:21:14] a little pointier, as a treat [14:21:39] I used to go for super pointy but that ended up making extra drag, but I might have overcompensated a little [14:21:44] Still, stuff flies happily now :p [16:34:46] next week dual mars arrival [16:35:17] 9th and 10th [16:38:01] Percy isn't until the 18th? [16:59:10] perseverance comes later [16:59:19] this is hope and whatever the chinese mission is called [16:59:54] tianwen-1 [17:00:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:52:02] stop nuking Mars! [17:52:37] *boom* [17:54:37] Action: Mat2ch takes raptop weapons [17:54:45] no more cratering! [17:55:30] Action: raptop grabs a giant parabolic mirror [17:57:44] Action: Mat2ch turns off the sun [17:57:48] and no scorching! [17:58:00] i'm so annoyed we haven't pushed far more towards refining nuclear energy [17:58:06] there is so much potential there [17:58:27] i saw there was a method with which we could generate energy from nuclear waste [17:58:44] leaving a smaller pile of waste [17:59:22] You're french, right? [17:59:29] IIRC, france already does fuel reprocessing [17:59:43] they do [18:00:14] but nuclear energy is far too expensive now compared to solar and wind, soon nobody will care anymore [18:02:12] wind plants take decades to build out, though [18:02:37] (That's the timeframe for an offshore plant that's being looked at here) [18:03:36] nuclear power plants also take that long [18:03:59] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-27/edf-sees-delay-and-rising-bill-in-british-nuclear-plant-project [18:04:05] look at that thing alone [18:04:18] this will never make any money! [18:04:36] bloomberg posting oil propaganda? well i'd never [18:05:54] long term, only renewables are sustainable, but somehow that's never factored into the cost :thunk: [18:06:04] then read the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_C_nuclear_power_station [18:06:07] That is far worse! [18:06:09] :D [18:07:35] the problem with only looking at startup costs is that people just overlook any costs releasing pollution will infer [18:08:04] because that's a problem for some other time [18:08:23] cause hey, things don't look that bad yet! [18:09:15] also, i'm really surprised the tory govt managed to mismanage a big project, completely unprecedented! [18:09:17] lmao [18:09:44] maybe they should leave eu over it lol [18:09:51] hehe [18:09:55] but this is going into politics [18:10:12] everything is politics lol [18:10:14] btw. we could see a static fire test of SN10 as early as today. Although I think it's going to be only a pressure/fuel loading test [18:10:32] what? what are they doing on sunday [18:14:18] also about nuking mars, supposedly there is not enough carbon dioxide and water there to make it warm enough, so nuking is not enough. if you have to divert asteroids, then use them to warm it up [18:30:18] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664986999727325224/807402454898835456/zTodzZe.png [18:30:51] (it is a pun) [19:57:34] (vlad the inhaler) [20:03:55] ah [20:04:07] Action: raptop saw the blue skin, and assumed something shiva-related [21:23:19] bonjour voila je suis sur ps4 et le jeux et non en français il crain a mort pff 25 euro pour que dalle MDR [21:26:32] blink [21:27:09] Anyway, google translate is unclear, so I can't tell if this was a driveby question or spam [22:02:58] how do stop my prop plane from erratic behavior [22:07:12] Action: raptop randomly guesses torque problems [22:10:18] whats that? [22:11:21] the reason helicopters have a tail rotor [22:20:34] what about an aeroplane using solid boosters? [22:20:50] flayer: a screenshot helps with CoL und CoM [22:23:44] could have drag "fun" [22:23:54] And of course, most of the SRBs lake TVC