[00:19:25] sup rocketeers [00:25:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v bathtub_shark' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:25:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v Zarthus' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:27:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o DuoDex' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:27:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o NBones' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:35:58] Gilly "rover" is more like a "bouncer" [01:39:41] Hopper? [01:41:56] UmbralRaptor: yeah, and my poorly-written control scripts aren't halping much [01:42:42] Aside from how long it would take, I'd seriously suggest ballistic trajectories. [01:43:28] I should probably at least write a script specially for gilly instead of using the same one as the Eve rover [01:51:46] Hmm, perhaps the first step is to stop trying to turn using the wheels [01:52:27] just use torque to set a facing and then use wheels to start jumping [02:15:13] yeah this works better [02:19:06] it's hard working with over 20 seconds of lag [02:24:12] https://imgur.com/a/b79cA [02:24:12] https://i.imgur.com/T6Gfdqb.png [02:29:18] well, at least I don't have whole minutes of lag like I would on a jool mission [03:23:11] Yeah this is working great [03:26:49] sarcasm? [03:28:11] umaxtu: well... i mean so far it hasn't broken any wheels or exploded so. [03:28:42] oh? [03:28:55] a bit of a rough drive.. landing? [03:28:57] I mean I'm not happy that ti intermittently leaps 10 metres off the surface [03:29:15] but it's leaping in the right directoion [03:29:47] how very kerbal [03:30:34] https://hastebin.com/uvodagukor [03:31:34] it reached the highlands and successfully stopped [03:34:24] I built and tested a jet powered electric buggy of sorts. Found out I kind of needed quite a bit of downforce else the whole thing likes to spin around all over the place [03:35:11] on the flip side, some areas outside of the KSP grounds, tends to drop suddnely, cart would go flying alittle. Needed some sort of 'flight controls' :P [03:41:24] I can't make sense of how Roverdude's forklift is supposed to work [03:41:47] like the only way I can see it not flipping my vehicle is if i mount it upside down where the forks have almost no useful range [03:43:35] https://imgur.com/4x8580O [03:43:35] https://i.imgur.com/4x8580O.png [03:47:28] luckily I anticipated this high-impact environment and didn't rely on solar panels or even bring any [03:52:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:11:46] Hello? [04:15:12] hi [04:15:44] oh he left after 1 minute. no patience, huh [04:20:37] oren: such is the way of the roaming Guest clans [04:22:18] lol. they are still hunter gatherers [04:24:57] Hm. [04:25:04] Did they make Oculus Rift work in KSP ? [04:25:08] for like cockpits etc? [04:25:20] i think i remember seeing some post loong time ago about that. [04:40:58] blep... stuck around less than a minute... [04:41:19] geez... kids these days, such short attention spans.. [05:03:26] wat [05:03:32] oculus KSP would be so epic [05:03:49] hmm... [05:04:00] i used to have a dk2. cv1 ended up being too expensive [05:04:01] turn your head, end up paning around your craft... [05:05:38] considering the windows in a lot of stock craft sort of.. hard to see out of... does oculus let you shift forward or around to get better view out of a portal? [05:08:25] yeah [05:08:48] the mobile version only has rotation, but the pc version has full translation [05:09:25] hope that makes sense - that's putting it in KSP terms haha [05:09:34] I got it [05:10:16] the phone my parents got me for a drone.. don't think worked too well as a VR set.. it had gyro's but I think it didn't know to connect it to the viewer client [05:10:42] then again... its been stuck in boot loop since half a year ago, kind of just gave up on it [05:10:49] u got the samsung gear vr? [05:10:55] or another one [05:11:24] i have gear and it works, idk about the others. its new tech so maybe not so good [05:11:57] some phone I never heard of.. got it while they were in the states. BLU [05:12:08] ah ok yeh [05:12:34] i havent been keeping up with it but oculus/samsung used to be miles ahead of the rest [05:13:32] its one of the blu studio, I think S, models... [05:13:59] it seemed ok when I got it... never really used it as a real phone. I found out early on the pins for the SIM car slots was busted [05:14:20] lol thats pretty rough [05:14:36] it has a second but... given the line of work I do, I just stuck to using my smaller flip phone as my primary since I can protect it better [05:14:46] if you're into vr you can get an s6 pretty cheap these days i think [05:14:58] yeah [05:15:24] i'd prefer a smaller crappy thing to use as a phone, its a good idea [05:15:59] dont' know about VR but I would like to do some FPV off the drone, got a pretty good stablized camera... too bad the actual controller is 400 bucks US.. doing wifi off the phone kind of .. unreliable, very limited range, made it almost useless [05:16:35] dont' know about crappy, just dont' care for data.. it works for me.. [05:18:36] ok [05:19:37] just need voice and text.. service is pretty cheap. I barely use the phone as it is anyways.. [05:20:39] yeh, i barely use mine as well [05:20:54] $1k worth of phone. at least it does VR lol [05:26:38] vs.. 25 dollar (canadian) phone [06:07:20] yeh lol [06:18:03] there are only 3 biomes on gilly right? [06:19:26] yeah [06:22:18] https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Gilly [06:30:26] hmm... speaking of gilly [06:30:45] don't suppose pic of what its orbit around eve looks like? [06:30:54] though suppose I could just go in game... [06:32:57] hmm.. ok curious question then.. since gilly has a rather eccentric oribit. Does it stay the same as eve orbits the solar system or does it have "seasons"? [06:33:47] ie... the pri-apo moves around so its the same orientation with the sun or does it stay locked with the stars? [06:44:47] eh... [07:11:10] I believe it's sun-relative and not eve-relative [07:12:00] the zero point for APe moves relative to Kerbin last I checked, so I'd expect it'd be that way. [07:17:29] if you've an eccentric orbit around a planet in ksp... does its phase stay in relation to the center of the solar system or relative to the starts/skybox? [07:18:45] saying phase because not exactly sure what its called or what they use for the refernence point for orbits [07:19:58] it stays in relation to skybox [07:20:29] as does the facing of a on-rails ship [07:20:39] ok cool [07:21:05] wasn't too worried about crafts in orbit, out of phsyics [07:23:03] heh, the scatters on this moon are cubes [07:23:19] cubist moon [07:23:29] borg moon [07:23:58] mini borgs on moon [07:24:16] unless... borg moon = borg sphere [07:25:02] https://imgur.com/0Vx6XXv pictured: my rover tmbling down a hill, past a cube [07:25:02] https://i.imgur.com/0Vx6XXv.jpg [07:26:13] whoops.. makes me think brown sugar cubes [07:26:39] ve2dmn: addressed that ascent problem in the autopilot, now I'm running an entire mission automated -- launch, circle Kerbin, transfer to Mun, circle Mun, change inclination to 90. [07:27:52] you could go polar before orbiting, that wuld save a lot of fuel [07:28:20] I thought of that, but I don't know how to change the insertion vector or whatever it's called. [07:28:32] That's what I do when I do it by hand. [08:00:25] Huh. The OX-STAT panels I thought were not deployable, but now they are on this ship. [08:01:28] john young died two days ago. time to really go back to space [08:02:08] I watched his first shuttle mission. [08:02:11] and mine asteroids. forget the moon [08:02:29] forget the guns. ramming speed [08:02:35] [OX-STAT] Flavor text says no deployment mechanics, checking for patches. [08:05:13] Okay, only patches I see are for tech tree changes and windowshine, nothing about adding deployment functionality. [08:13:19] "Sun Exposure: 0.00 // Energy Flow: 0.000 // Status: Direct Sunlight" Wacky. [08:14:13] Action: JCB looks up John Young... [08:18:52] oh right... he piloted 4 different crafts... probably one of the closests anyone will get to being KSP Jeb [09:47:02] This is annoying, my craft doesn't charge. [10:09:06] Why not? [10:10:44] I do not know. [10:10:48] I think it could be a mod. [10:11:06] But I have solar panels in full visibility of the sun, which say zero sun exposure, zero energy flow, status "extended" [10:11:22] Battery online? [10:12:02] Electric charge is 0.00/200 on the Z-200. [10:12:03] Ah, solar panel would claim energy flow even if battery was full/offline. [10:12:31] And these are the entry-level panels. [10:14:16] sun blocked by something? [10:14:33] I know in stock.. ship would look to be in full sun but sun is blocked by moon or something.. [10:15:06] The panel usually says 'Blocked by Kerbin' or whatever. [10:15:49] I now think that craft is haunted, because another craft has functional solar panels. [10:24:17] Mathuin: save and reload? [10:24:34] I tried that earlier, exiting the game entirely, and even rebooting the computer. [10:24:55] Open/close the door ;). [10:25:05] Wake up! [10:26:08] Renamed the broken one, built a new one (about the same cost), used the old name (to save messing with scripts), trying again. [10:32:46] hmmm.. [10:33:35] interesting... a little prototype base part carrier thing that can drive around the KSP... [10:34:50] messing with some ideas in early career, how I could move parts around, built a base later.. [10:35:26] Nope! [10:35:31] This is nuts. [10:35:51] oh hmm.. [10:36:03] got me curious.. toss a pic? [10:36:18] What would you like in the image? [10:36:51] like to see overall.. but also wondering if the parts been clipped too far. [10:37:42] Okay, I'll launch it again, and get a screenshot of the craft in the sun, but with the solar panels saying zero and extended. [10:37:44] that is.. if you went that way. Mind you, I've had one strut go missing on me during one game.. I had to edit the save file manually [10:38:12] or in VAB/SPH.. either way.. [10:38:22] The probe is not sophisticated. Batteries and gas tanks and probe core and kOS core, ant engine on one end, scansat antenna on the other. [10:38:39] comms antennas and solar panels attached radially. [10:39:31] if you said the panels work ok on another craft.. leads me to think maybe its placement.. [10:39:42] otherwise.. if panels don't work on both, then I suspect part bug [10:40:03] I have a science buggy with panels, they work. [10:40:11] This probe, they don't. [10:42:01] Launched, circularized, transfer injection burn next, once this burn is done it'll warp and run out of power. :-( [10:42:26] don't have to just run out of power.. [10:42:38] The burn takes place on the dark side of Kerbin. [10:43:11] could just set it up, where its in teh sun but not generatoring new power [10:44:45] Just came out from behind Kerbin, still net consumer of power during the burn. [10:45:51] Mathuin: You can burn with the computer hibernating. You have to turn your craft first. [10:46:33] This is automatic, launching as soon as the code loads. [10:46:46] I don't actually touch a control at all until it reaches polar Munar orbit. [10:47:09] I got a screenshot of sun clearly on solar panels but the pinned right-click thing showing 0.00 :-( [10:48:59] alright.. see if I can figure out whats wrong.. [10:49:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:51:18] https://i.imgur.com/dqNiDJE.png [10:51:46] Hi there! I am now back from all holidays and ready to continue my duties. :D [10:52:11] Mathuin: Nice thingy! Where is it headed? [10:52:51] Also, reload the scene to hopefully fix the solar panels [10:53:16] trying to figure out why the panels aren't producingp ower [10:53:52] https://kerbalx.com/mathuin/SCANsat-Mun-Probe [10:54:03] "reload the scene" [10:54:04] ? [10:55:00] seeing if other people had issues [10:55:26] what version ksp you runn'n? [10:55:30] 1.3.1 [10:55:43] The only mods that matter to the craft are kOS and SCANsat [10:56:01] Reload the scene means, e.g., switch to KSC and back to the craft or quicksave/quickload [10:56:14] That sorta destroys reverting. I'll save before the next takeoff. [10:56:15] Basically make KSP re-load your craft [10:56:43] Also, there might be way more mods that "matter" to the craft [10:57:25] A mod may change any part's behaviour, even if there is no part on the craft that is provided by that specific mod [10:57:39] APlayer: He already reloaded, restarted, even her computer. [10:58:13] "He [...] restarted [...] her computer" :P [10:58:26] Alright, JK, I see [10:59:12] Yeah, that was my feminism partially kicking in. [10:59:19] ya.. some reason its not registering the sun itself [10:59:22] So, did you use tweakscale or some procedural part mod? [10:59:37] its a probe they got from kerbalx [10:59:43] Action: RandomJeb screams at microsoft [10:59:43] It's a probe I posted to kerbalx [10:59:45] Panels might be occluded by an invisible collider [10:59:45] I wrote it. :-) [10:59:48] I am so going back to linux [10:59:53] <3 linux [10:59:55] oh you posted, my bad [11:00:05] hm... [11:00:10] actually.. [11:00:29] let me try something [11:00:32] Would FAR be procedural parts? [11:00:33] Action: darsie doesn't understand collider. [11:00:34] Next idea is to load the craft in the VAB and literally change the solar panels for similar new ones [11:00:44] APlayer: I created a brand new craft from scratch. [11:00:44] This not only could help IRL, but also in KSP [11:00:47] Same behavior. [11:00:52] collider is an inisible box that tells the game certain boundries for things [11:01:11] ic [11:01:20] Does it happen on every craft? [11:01:23] going to see if it works like it should in stock ksp [11:01:28] I.e. do any solar panels even work? [11:01:28] No. I have a science buggy that doesn't. [11:01:35] It has working solar panels. [11:01:52] So putting a panel on struts might help (detect the cause). [11:02:09] going to try something.. [11:02:33] Did you use part clipping/moved the parts inside other parts? [11:02:55] I did nothing other than typical stock behavior -- pick up part, place on other part. [11:03:12] moved the panels to the probe core, because that's worked in the past [11:03:23] What happens if you move the panels outwards? [11:03:32] What do you mean by outwards? [11:03:36] Perhaps stick them on metal beams, even? [11:03:49] ok.. n/m... can't load it.. [11:03:52] So that they are farther from the probe body [11:03:56] could be I'm on 1.2.. [11:04:00] I'm going to try struts if the probe core doesn't work. [11:04:11] JCB: Need kOS + SCANsat to load it [11:04:12] Could be, could be the kOS and SCANsat thingees. [11:04:31] don't suppose a way to remove those parts? [11:04:38] short of me stripping them by hand out of the file? [11:04:57] I could remove them in the editor and publish a new craft file if that'll help. [11:04:58] None that I know [11:06:26] Mathuin: Also, what happens if you remove the tanks that hold the panels and replace them with something different? Like more reaction wheels? [11:06:35] these the stock ox stat panels? [11:06:41] JCB: yes stock [11:06:55] APlayer: I moved the panels from the tanks to the probe core, still no charge. [11:07:12] Stick them onto something long [11:07:29] try just taking a probe core and sticking a panel on teh top of it, launch that by itself... I'm going to guess you are in daylight right? [11:07:30] So that they are well away from the center of the probe [11:08:42] Mathuin: What do you need so many panels , batteries and antennas for? [11:09:06] SCANsat eats power. More antennas, quicker transmission. More panels, quicker recharge. More batteries, longer run in shade. [11:09:06] I typically have 3 panels for a probe like this. [11:09:19] ok [11:09:25] JCB: put a panel on a probe core, that works. [11:10:49] ok.. take your assembled craft.. set it on the launch pad but don't launch [11:10:52] Took everything off the craft but the probe core and panels, that works. [11:11:00] Will do full craft with fairing removed next. [11:11:07] eject the fairing, see what the panels are doing [11:11:17] Oooh good idea [11:12:12] Ejected fairing, panels are working. [11:12:53] Will let craft launch, then blow fairing, and check. [11:13:36] ok revert to launch.. try but do normal.. [11:14:13] When I let the craft launch, then blow the fairing by hand, the panels are broken. So something kOS is doing is breaking the panels. [11:14:14] soon as you blow the fairings when you get in space, pull the tab for teh panel up again [11:14:40] how tight is the fairing? [11:14:55] Not too tight. I can make it huge and try. [11:15:14] see there is some gap... [11:15:32] if you think kos is causing the problem.. try without maybe? [11:15:32] The craft now looks like a bacteriophage. [11:15:44] How do you blow the faring with kOS? [11:15:45] The entire point of the launch is to automate it, thus the kOS. [11:16:03] Okay, fairing gap does not help. [11:16:15] Mathuin: What's the thing on top? Scansat? [11:16:32] darsie: yes [11:17:16] Mathuin: Do you use staging, events or actions to blow the fairing? [11:17:24] Events. [11:17:51] if module contains ModuleProceduralFairing if event contains deploy do event etc [11:17:55] you said you flown the craft, blown the fairing by hand, panels were found broking. Then said you think KOS is doing something [11:18:09] JCB: yes, because the difference in the two was having kOS launch the craft. [11:18:17] So there might be something that turns off the panels or something. [11:18:41] "panels off." is a line in the launch script. [11:18:58] ... was looking at the craft file.. solar panels have deploy flag... wondering if something's flipping it when it shouldn't [11:19:24] maybe try launching without using KOS.. see if manually doing things makes a difference. [11:19:35] I'm trying to narrow down things [11:19:36] Mathuin: Try commenting out the panels off line [11:19:54] APlayer: that's where I was going [11:20:23] Such things are the highly suspicious ones that one should try checking [11:20:49] there is a mod that soon as you blow the fairing, it depolys panels.. though it should extend them, not toggle. I think [11:21:04] Commenting out the panels off line fixed it. [11:21:13] the Stat panels aren't suppose to be depolyable. [11:21:25] "Extends or retracts all the deployable solar panels" is what PANELS ON/OFF is supposed to do. [11:21:48] ya.. i thought it weird that it was saying 0 exposure to the sun... [11:22:07] you usually get that with panels that pop out and are still folded [11:22:24] and since your tweekable tab for the panel had no way to reverse it [11:22:39] So this sounds like a bug in kOS. [11:22:53] To test it, I'm going to put a solar panel on a kOS processor, then run panels off, and see what it does. [11:23:23] actually.. wonder if its a flag thats stock.. [11:23:38] Mathuin: Probably just toggles the solar panels modules, and disregards whether they are deployable or not [11:23:53] Either way, that's a bug in kOS. [11:24:55] Plastic roads, self filling water bottles, space skyscrapers, solar walls. [11:24:57] naw.. its just playing dumb.. it doens't know if panels are deployable [11:25:02] ugh. Humanity knows no bounds. [11:25:57] I mean.. come on.. the name for that particular panel says: name = ModuleDeployableSolarPanel [11:26:18] Sure, but what does the deploy action do? [11:26:21] then there is: deployState = EXTENDED [11:28:36] oh wait.. now I remember.. [11:28:45] Extended, of course, is what it said when it had zero power [11:31:02] geez.. forgot how much a mess the file system is... [11:31:08] https://media.8ch.net/file_store/af386f11e622b812166304e7ff747a6b087a046b49b9a16cbbb9bbf39388d970.png I love this image [11:32:04] it may have been confused. [11:32:23] Okay, "panels on" doesn't break things if they weren't turned off. [11:32:24] maybe try it with actual depolyable panels, see what happens [11:32:32] I can't, VAB not upgraded [11:32:44] That's also why four crappy antennas instead of one high-gain. :-) [11:35:22] And yeah, it's working. Baby woke up so I have to go to sleep. :-( [11:35:28] Thank you all for the help. [11:35:35] those antennas aren't crap [11:35:36] JCB: if you figure out where in kOS the problem is, I'm very interested. [11:35:41] I actually find them useful [11:35:44] Really? [11:35:55] I only use them on craft when I can't deploy. [11:35:59] ya [11:36:01] basically [11:36:10] I usually use them on aircraft [11:36:35] Yep, my science plane has one. [11:36:41] Anyway, bedtime for real. Night! [11:37:03] eh.. all I can say is mod somewhere probably messing with it [11:38:16] side note... maybe take a copy of the save state... might have to do some digging around, seeing if something on the panels is messed up [11:50:02] Blaank: security problem on that domain [11:50:10] what domain? [11:50:17] 8ch.net [11:50:21] What's up with 8chan? [11:50:31] no idea. you linked to it. [11:50:53] Then how do you know something is wrong? [11:51:05] firefox says there is security issue [11:51:34] I don't have firefox on this pc [11:51:45] Palemoon is ok with it. [11:52:10] Does it specify anything about it or just a mysterious warning with no details? [11:52:18] "media.8ch.net uses an invalid security certificate." [11:52:30] issuer is unknown [11:52:36] Palemoon reports verified by COMODO CA Limited [11:53:39] I have details on the certificate if you want it. [11:59:23] curious.. arctic base? [11:59:53] tempted to fly modules up north on a plane.. but sometimes I feel the cargo bays touch too small [12:00:16] if Rolf is being hijacked at some point, possible nodes down the line, he may be getting a different certificate :O [12:01:39] I'm getting no certificate complaints [12:01:54] also good memepic [12:03:33] "this site is using a valid, trusted server certificate issued by COMODO ECC Domain Validation Secure Server CA 2." [12:04:41] What is the root of this salt water car scam? [12:05:27] RandomJeb, I get the same thing. [12:05:34] you mean as in fueled by salt water? [12:05:46] "salt water powered car" is all the clickbait title says [12:05:53] 600 mile range, $30,000 USD [12:06:04] Smells like poop. [12:06:10] Of a 4 legged farm animal [12:07:06] It's probably something very misleading and has nothing to do with sodium chloride and dihidrogen monoxide [12:08:00] well it could be any number of scams, but it's probably that battery powered car that has the electrolytes stored in salt water [12:08:36] That's a decent guess [12:08:44] So it's literally a battery powered car. [12:08:53] if it's the one I'm thinking of then yes [12:09:11] How do those batteries compare to lithium ion? [12:09:21] no idea, probably badly [12:09:42] I think it needs a 200 liter storage tank to get the suggested 600 mile range [12:10:07] actually 2 of them.. [12:10:32] That's ..... like the whole care, isn't it? [12:10:36] "Salt" in saltwater could refer to any sort of ionic bond [12:10:42] no.... what's that in cubic meters? [12:10:57] I don't know liters to cubic meters [12:11:00] 1000? [12:11:02] 1000 L is 1 m� [12:11:06] actually its a form of fuel cell [12:11:16] ok, so 20cm x 1m x 1m [12:11:21] Not that bad. [12:12:36] oh... bleh [12:12:37] Quant e-SportLimousine [12:13:06] most awkward name [12:13:06] quote from bbc.com back in 2016...: made use of an ex-Nasa technology, a flow battery powered by 'ionic liquid' that is, simple saline water. It's not quite as simple as filling the tank with sea water [12:14:55] Why do people refer to pretty much every sort of US-based aerospace industry as "NASA"? NASA is just the thing that keeps a lot of companies together, guys. And all of those companies have names. [12:15:24] I have my douts about this since everything about it seems to be slick marketing [12:16:16] if anyone's curious.. bbc article here on the car: http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20161010-driving-the-saltwater-sports-car [12:16:34] as to how they were able to get so much power out, when nasa couldn't.. they won't say. patentedpending.. [12:16:46] or.. trade seceret.. [12:18:21] Have they demonstrated any claims they made? [12:18:37] Or is this all secrecy, hype, and preorders? [12:19:32] had a car at a show two years ago from looks of things [12:20:00] did say nasa dropped the concept due to low density power storage.. back in the 70s [12:20:56] I note that that car is frequently referenced as a 'concept' car so who knows if it's just running on regular li-on batteries [12:22:54] ah.. doing some more digging.. [12:23:17] claims like "the fuel is essentially saltwater, its abundant and can be produced almost anywhere on Earth (again, the exact process is a closely-guarded secret, but la Vecchia says it could be made widespread and totally carbon-free)" are also technically true but it's marketing speak that means you could use solar or wind energy to power your factories but most likely your factories [12:23:17] will run on brown coal [12:23:57] another article stating the guy that is doing this car thing... got a lawsuit hit against him for a solar panel hey claimed would outpreform anything on the market... when taken to court, said the material/evidence was destroyed [12:25:16] solar FREAKIN' roadways [12:25:19] Why do people refer to pretty much every sort of US-based aerospace industry as "NASA"? NASA is just the thing that keeps a lot of companies together, guys. And all of those companies have names. <-- how is that surprising? your car has a million parts from a thousand separate companies, but you'll always call it by the main brand [12:25:28] lol... from IOL site back in early 2017 [12:25:28] This company calls the technology "flow cell". Nasa called it REDOX (reduction-oxidation) when it patented the concept in the mid-1970s. [12:26:45] Eddi: In this case it is, because the car you're referring to is a product as a whole, while every single technology that involved NASA contracts is attributed to NASA and not the actual company that developed it [12:26:57] I remember back in the old days... they said cars could run on water... what they really meant was the 'fuel cell' system, but it wasn't exactly widely known then [12:27:12] It's like calling every single German car a product of "Volkswagen" [12:27:49] my car was from Porsche + Volkswagen... but for whatever reason, Volkswagen backed out, not wanting to be with the 914 model [12:28:04] different strokes... [12:48:15] well now I'm so far down this rabbit hole that I'm looking at a music video for a song this Nunzio La Veccia made and it's pretty cringe [12:48:36] also apparently he bought a fake engineering degree [12:48:44] so yeah [12:49:07] just another green scam [13:03:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:24:31] so, did Zuma launch? I can't find a video replay of it [13:30:57] It did [13:31:14] A whole while ago, even [13:31:39] yeah, 13 hours or so :) [13:33:58] hmm how do I add a slider controller like the deploy altiude in ModuleParachutes? [13:34:25] I found KSPEvent which gives a button [13:34:48] Are we talking about different Zumas? [13:40:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v Zarthus-' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:57:55] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:40:35] yay it works :) [16:15:32] t minus 9 hrs [16:15:52] eh [16:15:56] i cant wait that long [16:16:24] so [16:16:29] my canadair does drive on water [16:18:23] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/255748182426910720/399597603504783381/DSC_8144.JPG [16:25:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:25:36] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/255748182426910720/399599427444146176/DSC_8137.JPG [16:26:32] not a good time to go for a swimming if it failed in the water [16:27:19]