[02:55:50] hi [02:56:57] greetings [02:58:27] can I ask a question re. mods? [02:58:47] Generally, yes. Do you mean game mods, or channel/forum moderators? [02:59:03] I meant game mods, not forum moderators :) [02:59:13] sorry for the ambiguity [02:59:43] Anyway, I haven't had that much experience with the current state of game mods, but will try to answer. [03:00:16] well, I'm wondering if the Procedural Parts mod is known to cause problems with the latest version of the game (1.5.1, right?) [03:01:06] yeah, 1.5.1 is the latest. If it has issues, it also would with 1.5 most likely. [03:02:32] But I haven't done much with procederal parts lately. >_>;; [03:03:50] ah, okay. but it's not a known troublemaker or source of instability? [03:06:38] sorry, I had some connectivity trouble [03:08:15] anyway, I was having terrible trouble with the game crashing when going from the VAB to the launch pad, and thought Procedural Parts might be to blame. [03:09:20] Possibly, seeing as it hasn't been updated since, er, 1.3 [03:11:03] yes, that was my concern... is it possible that having too many parts packs installed could cause that problem, however? [03:12:08] That too, though less so as the 64bit version has gotten better. [03:12:33] Uh, you probably want to be on the Tidal Stream Branch of Procedural Parts? [03:13:13] FWIW, I'm currently using a 1.5.1 on OSX. I was using 1.4.5 (also on OSX) when I observed this crashing phenomenon. [03:16:35] is there any way to know "how much is too much" re. parts packs? (apart, that is, from actually seeing crashing) [03:18:10] Check memory usage in activity monitor? [03:18:25] that makes sense, thanks. [03:19:06] In particular, I would want to see if the crashes are around 4 gig, or around system ram level. [04:10:08] Huh... Delta V update.. nice [04:10:37] shiny [04:13:34] I guess that's the smallest orbiter: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot117.png [04:16:46] It's a bit tricky to fly, cause you have to switch hibernation on/off and use a little thrust during coast to keep attitude. [04:21:15] I'd question i fits enough fuel to reach orbit [04:21:35] It does. [04:22:17] Has 438 m/s left in orbit. [04:24:43] With a 10 kg battery has 346 m/s left. [04:43:18] huh.. [04:43:59] guess it wouldn't have much left if you stuck batteries/solar panels and pair of relay antennae huh? [04:44:34] launch microsat via missile [04:46:20] Now I put two solar panels *inside* the fuel tanks to avoid drag. Works :). [04:47:01] instead of the battery. [04:47:30] I usually add a battery because I don't know if the internal bank is enough to support it during the dark side of the planet [04:47:45] It is, if you hibernate. [04:55:19] also figured putting battery inside stuff, sun would get blocked [04:56:00] did you mean solar panel? [05:01:29] er ya.. putting panels inside stuff, figured would make it so it was blocked.. -shrug [05:01:51] beyond that, figured was a little cheaty.. [05:01:55] I tried, it doesn't. [05:02:00] yeah. [05:02:33] But it should be possible to put tiny solar panels on the rocket with very low drag. [05:02:50] if I really wanted, I could mod a battery part to have panels, like a ring around it. Or act like it does [05:04:31] I've seen a custom part use the solar tracker module to make the 'ring of panels' act like they stay in sunlight [05:04:39] The panels in teh tank did get blocked by the okto2, which wouldn't have happened if they were outside. [05:10:30] I guess it figures where the center of a part is and how big that part is in order to determine if it blocks the sun or not. [05:14:11] If you are inside a part you can see outside. I guess that's why it doesn't block the sun. [05:16:08] perhaps.. though that is just a visual graphic side of things. Not sure how htey figure line of sight for sun to part, if its blocked or not. [05:47:02] Hmm, maybe the hidden solar panels cause drag, too. With outside panels I have 297 m/s left and the flight wasn't ideal. [07:46:52] lol. stop, it's HAMR time! https://techreport.com/news/34311/seagate-drops-a-16-tb-hamr-on-the-test-bench [07:48:43] "The best HAMR puns in the comments will earn facepalms from the staff." [09:10:19] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsnzAE7C6cw [09:10:19] YouTube - Science Faction w Benjamin Burger [09:38:56] i haven't really played KSP since around 1.0, what are the significant changes since then except for fuel tank skinning and the new delta v display? [09:39:28] nothing :) [09:41:27] that's definitely what it seems like from still occasionally following the KSP subreddit [09:41:33] oh wait, comm networks in 1.2 maybe [09:42:43] ah, yeah, I remember those, it seems I still played up until 1.2 [09:42:48] that was still the old dev team, right? [09:43:53] intermission https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDJ6A-0jpkE [09:43:53] YouTube - Dragon Rendezvous (CRS-16) [09:44:46] I had hoped there'd be a patch by now that revamps the terrain generation to make it much more interesting :P [09:45:29] but back to ksp, then the difference is... "absolutely nothing. which is what you are bout to become. prepare to die" (dark helmet) [09:46:51] look at the fake cgi globe earth [09:51:40] that image quality is laughable [09:51:56] it is like the 90s or so [09:55:31] yeah, not even flat earth 1/10 [09:56:22] actually i do think the image quality is bad, low resolution and not sharp at all [10:01:00] they render it crappily to hide flaws [10:01:13] btw who fed the mice during these 2 days? [10:06:35] do the mice get space sick like humans? [10:07:14] supposedly spiders cant even get dizzy because they dont have the mammal vestibular system [10:07:23] but mice are surely affected [10:14:57] so i imagine the mice didnt feel too hungry anyway :) [10:25:26] they just chose who would be the firsst sacrifice [10:30:08] why are these tones in the communication? it is no longer analog, no need for it [10:30:50] maybe its signal to aliens to keep them away [10:31:00] "hy this one is being recorded stay away" [10:31:33] ah all those alien trolls waiting to drop some stupid jokes in the voicechat [10:32:40] yeah wacky hijinks like abuct and probing lol [10:33:03] there was this great comic about probing [10:33:21] apparently 2 aliens were playing hide the pellet. one alien hides it am,ong all billions of humans [10:33:26] and other attempts to find it [10:33:39] lol [10:46:38] so, we have to wait until the 17th January to see Crew Dragon fly [10:46:47] empty, i presume [10:47:07] the soyuz docking felt faster than the dragon [10:47:35] the dragon is al ot dumber [10:48:08] dock it manually [10:48:14] have Scott fly it [10:48:20] Not sure if it's dumber, but the Berthing Clamps aren't made for docking [10:49:46] because of its door shape, it cant dock, so there is no software for it [10:49:51] all it can do is just to move closer [10:50:15] so if you are moving a dumb autonomous machine you are doing it slowly [10:53:09] Fluburtur: scott? nah spock. you saw his fancy docking [10:55:03] there was an epic docking in interstellar :) [10:56:17] hmm got video? [10:56:18] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lcGnMhvsA [10:56:18] YouTube - Interstellar - Docking Scene 1080p IMAX HD [10:56:58] did you know someone calculated price of saving that man in all those movies? [10:57:10] hehe [10:57:13] it was pretty close to trillion dollars [10:57:17] i think i saw the title of a youtube video [10:57:18] from ww2 to mars [10:57:33] but i didnt want to watch it [10:58:33] btw i still dont like interstellar, neither its music [10:58:42] it as all kinds of weird [10:58:46] was [10:59:04] only good thing was in it is the moon hoaxers in the beginning [10:59:31] loved the 4d room effects but not the dumb plot part of it [10:59:57] dragon is close [11:00:01] umm realized something [11:00:09] its spinning and parts exploded [11:00:14] why is stuff still nearby [11:00:20] hehe [11:00:23] physics is a b [11:00:38] also in case the center of mass is not in line wiuht the docking port [11:00:55] yeah one module is gone it'd be bit off [11:00:58] you have to oscillate a bit to dock to it, making it around impossible [11:01:15] same for the docking craft too [11:03:51] heh retreat to 30 meters [11:04:11] now they can start again [11:04:36] they didnt know satellites are not real and cant have coverage problem :) [11:04:49] lol [11:05:49] why couldnt they just grab it [11:06:46] so nothing happens for another 45 minutes, then another 30 minutes for 20 meters [11:07:24] maybe i nap al ittle [11:13:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:03:13] still in time [12:22:17] capture [12:31:24] what? [12:31:37] crs-16 dragon captured [12:31:44] apparently no stream for the berthing itself [12:40:49] https://youtu.be/vFgMLjnF_kA [12:40:49] YouTube - RCTESTFLIGHT - Huge Foam RC Plane Drops Watermelon [12:42:53] why do americans call the liuttle melons cantaloupe [12:42:59] thats the canadian word for melon [12:43:14] 1 kg of pure columbian... ? [12:43:37] fast delivery [12:43:50] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskmelon [12:43:54] hehe muskmelon :) [12:44:01] elonmuskmelon [14:05:14] hehe chatzilla [14:05:20] it isnt maintained anymore [14:12:08] americans often use the french or italian words for fruit and veg [14:13:00] https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47395273_2391145547796487_243386021318754304_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=e5886e0a54e9c35d7f0029581a504e14&oe=5CA0C1E0 [14:13:54] was the new ERB mentioned yet? [14:13:56] (or in the case of aubergine / eggplant it's the opposite) [14:14:16] what is erb? [14:14:43] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2GVxYfKSxA [14:14:44] YouTube - Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg - Epic Rap Battles of History. [14:15:06] heh it should be elon musk vs jeff bezos [14:15:55] (i can't really judge whether it is "good") [14:15:56] lol that picvard [14:17:58] to me these are never good because i dont like rap [14:18:31] but in reality elon wrote history with spacex, and if tesla is not a failure maybe with that too [14:19:00] those are at least good for something, unlike facebook [14:20:27] idk, tesla seems to make every attempt at becoming a failure [14:20:34] yes [14:20:49] at least it has an effect, pushing people towards electric cars [14:22:56] so if it was vs jeff bezos, they could have argued about rocketsize [14:55:10] well then [14:55:24] looks like all those craft i built are gone [14:55:35] -_- [14:59:15] i thought i moved all of the craft from vab into one folder and sph into another one [17:23:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVXJhrUyuTA [17:23:41] YouTube - SpaceX CRS-16 Booster Towed To Port 12-07-2018 [17:23:50] i knew it there will be some footage [17:23:53] would be [17:23:56] i always mess this up [17:26:32] hah flat earthers are coming to nonsequitur again, tomorrow morning will eb great [17:34:04] Need help. Playing Kerbal Enhanced on PS4. I've developed "General Rocketry", "Stability" and "Survivability" up till now. Now I'm trying to launch my first Rocket with multiple boosters. But they won't start all at once like they should. Can't figure out why? Any clues? Please. [17:35:04] pic... oh wait console [17:35:11] are they in the same stage? [17:35:16] Yes [17:35:28] are they created by symmetry? [17:35:53] The boosters, yes. Decupllers included! [17:36:14] Althego: well, lookls like there's some damage at least to the top [17:36:27] yes that hit hard [17:36:39] I really thought they'd get a swimming crane [17:37:06] normally burn problems like this are caused by fuel flow problems, but for that you need the fuel pipes too [17:37:21] probably too expensive to rent [17:38:20] it's nice to see the fibers of the fiberglass stuff :D [17:38:40] Guest83218: a picture taken by a phone could help, too [17:38:53] good idea [17:39:11] Picture? From? [17:39:14] but honestly how is it that today's consoles cant take a screenshot? i think it is a basic feature [17:39:25] the editor with the rocket and stages vicible [17:39:28] visible [17:39:41] I could do a movie, upload it to youtube. [17:39:54] Takes a few minutes though. [17:41:52] funny because the game has a built in screenshot feature normally. not sure about the console version [17:43:34] uploading [17:46:01] https://youtu.be/FKZuTB75TQ0 [17:46:01] YouTube - Kerbal Space Program Enhanced Edition_20181208184257 [17:46:37] hah they are even solids [17:46:41] I know, the design is kind of crappy. [17:46:50] no this is an ok design [17:47:02] maybe too little fuel [17:47:03] I'm just trying to figure this out! [17:47:29] i mean if they are solids they should work, because there is no fuel flow [17:47:51] Yeah, but I can only start one at a time. [17:48:03] And you what happens then! [17:48:05] ;) [17:48:24] maybe try to take it off and reattach them again [17:48:33] maybe something is confused in the symmetry [17:48:48] like? [17:49:18] take off one, then the other should disappear too, then put it back [17:50:08] because according to the game they are in symmetry so this cant happen [17:50:35] normally you could have for example different fuel levels but that doesnt happen with symmetry [17:51:17] towing the booster with the legs out looks like it adds a lot of drag [17:51:27] not if they dont move fast [17:51:53] so, can I get one of the used engines? [17:51:59] hehe [17:52:06] and blow yourself up with it? [17:52:07] no [17:52:20] I just want the engine [17:53:26] huh, the interstage was quite damaged when it fell over [17:54:02] not everyday you float a rocket back to the base [17:54:58] whatever floats your... rocket I guess now you could say? [17:55:22] hehe [17:55:43] maybe elon could update the how not to land your rocket booster video [17:55:56] well, this one did land [17:56:24] JVFoxy: out! [17:56:28] Another try...maybe I'm doing someting wrong with the launch? https://youtu.be/AKxxQiKyIkk [17:56:28] YouTube - Kerbal Space Program Enhanced Edition_20181208185041 [17:57:26] heh what are you doing [17:57:34] what is the stage button on the playstation? [17:57:41] normally you never do manual stagibng like this [17:57:57] i thought they had one before where it technically did land, but it then tipped over and exploded [17:58:00] you just hit space, and the staging display on the side know what to star [17:58:06] jep, that's not how staging should be :) [17:58:32] manual cases like this are for more complicated cases like sstos, but even there you can use actiuon groups [17:59:15] supposedly the x button is what you need [17:59:36] and a scott manley check yo stagin t-shirt :) [18:01:40] mat2ch eep? [18:13:20] JVFoxy: or pay 5 EUR in the bad jokes box. [18:13:34] and yes, Euros. No $. :D [18:13:49] why not coins? [18:14:21] You can do it with coins. But only Euros :P [18:15:08] oh.. leave.. I was like 'what the heck?' [18:15:29] ;) [18:17:05] I've only one large mug coffee... not exactly feeling overly great.. family event later this afternoon.. was hoping for snow, not dumping of rain the rest of the week... ya.. so.. [18:17:45] time to wrap my head in cellophane film [18:18:14] not recommended [18:18:15] fluburtur not tinfoil? [18:18:30] cello and tape for best results [18:18:45] ford what kind of result [18:18:48] Something funny just happened. ^^� [18:18:55] to make templates for a helmet [18:19:10] dark helmet [18:19:16] just dont suffoxcate [18:19:25] I have straws [18:19:34] also I don't really need to cover all of my face [18:19:39] if it were plaster, I'd suggest couple of straws up your nose.. [18:19:41] it is to make the fursuit head I was talking about [18:19:55] oh.. [18:20:05] I want dis https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454730972060188673/520674390111682569/tumblr_oqbj1yODbK1vz3modo1_1280.png [18:20:09] I take it you already did the body? [18:20:17] so I can say "is not a fursuit is an anubis costume" [18:20:41] ... gone to the 'dark side' eh? [18:20:46] this one will only need the head and hands since it will have the costume like in the pic [18:20:50] I like this design [18:21:09] will probably put fluoresceine in the eyes and hide a UV led somewhere to make them glow [18:22:02] looks liek anubis to me [18:22:12] it is [18:22:40] Guest83218: it launched and crashed? Or did you find the Kraken? [18:22:57] lol.. I had a talk with a friend about lights in costumes. I showed him a Shiba covered in Christmas lights. Even had the inside of the ears completely lit up and flashing. Ya.. trends.. [18:23:19] hehe [18:23:30] Well, I did manage it somehow. And I almost kiled myself in the process. But look for your self https://youtu.be/BxDDKxzBICs [18:23:31] YouTube - Kerbal Space Program Enhanced Edition_20181208191716 [18:24:02] going to be first holiday season/new years without a companion/pet... :\ [18:24:04] Not sure how that worked exactly though... [18:24:07] well in the last 10 or so years [18:24:46] hehe i bet the solids are stuck to the body instead of the decouplers [18:25:03] At least one seems to be. [18:25:07] it is easy for that to happen in case of this kind [18:25:59] anyway for simplicity just ditch the solids, or use only one as a first boost stage [18:26:09] but anyway, i finally managed to start three engines at once! [18:26:27] or for more advanced usage use can use one at the side, there is one stock rocket that does that [18:26:31] and many in real life [18:26:51] Guest83218: you found the staging button! [18:26:54] use it [18:26:57] hee [18:26:57] don't use the menus [18:26:58] hehe [18:27:01] or as Scott likes to call it, power sliding off the launch pad [18:27:07] yes the staging button is your life [18:27:59] Though I wish the tutorials would be better explained as they are! [18:28:14] curently the tutorials are quite good,. too bad the console version lags behind [18:28:30] cellophane aquired [18:28:41] typically the atlas v is what uses 1 solid booster on the side [18:28:47] why do I have like no impulse control [18:28:53] in some configurations [18:29:48] It does. Also, lots of the configurations have uneven booster layout for reasons. [18:31:01] Well, thank you for putting up with me. Even though I'm playing on a console. ^^ [18:31:06] because the peoples count put everything inside so it has a big tube poking out [18:32:51] its ok.. I play PC, I lag a bit behind version updates. Mostly because I wanna see how things pan out first before updating [18:33:05] they dont do anything lately [18:33:09] so they cant mess up anything [18:33:29] you seen that vid from ShadowZone yet on KSP's bug issues? [18:33:53] and the new capsule with the different cone angle still bothers me, the parachute doesnt fit [18:34:02] i hope they change the parachute model too [18:34:11] Althego which pod? [18:34:14] yes i have seen it [18:34:17] the new mk1 [18:36:34] troubles finding comparison pics... I take the modeling is shorter than the original? [18:37:01] you remember the original right? [18:37:12] if you put the small parachute on top then they formed a continuous cone [18:37:30] I haven't gone into 1.6 yet.. [18:37:41] nobody did [18:37:48] or the latest... [18:38:04] but the new capsule has a narrower angle, so despite it being good looking that parachute bothers me [18:38:09] 1.6 isn't out yet [18:38:14] I know mk1 pod fits well with the rockmax structural adapter too. [18:39:54] http://www.warpology.com/k/chute.png [18:40:30] oh right.. still 1.5.1... [18:40:48] wtf is this [18:41:26] oh... end cap is just bigger.. ugh [18:41:29] the mk1 capsule with the mk16 parachute [18:44:04] this is the new capsule?! [18:44:09] yes [18:44:14] the default skin at least [18:44:22] i'm surprised they changed the look so much [18:44:24] still better than the poodle what we get in 1.6 [18:44:31] and not in the good way [18:44:42] i am not, because this is how mercury would look [18:45:20] https://historicspacecraft.com/mercury.html [18:45:43] hm [18:45:43] and obviously we now have gemini in the expansion (i think) and apollo in the base game [18:45:49] that makes some sense really [18:46:19] there are times I wish they also left in the original parts as well... [18:46:53] although, there is now a couple of mods that places them back in... [18:47:46] in general i like the new parts [18:47:51] like how shiny some of them are [18:47:57] yes, we need more metallic shine [18:48:20] mercury capsule looks quite similar to the old pod on photographs [18:48:29] Nothing wrong with new parts... just.. sometimes I wonder how broken past saved games will end up [18:48:47] ^ [18:48:58] these are cosmetic changes [18:49:30] ya, but in the past they've dropped some parts all together. Or, I've seen in a few of them, connecting nodes were shifted a tiny bit, leaving gaps [18:49:33] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454730972060188673/521035540179583006/DSC_0267.JPG [18:49:40] lol [18:49:43] Althego, that's not an answer lol [18:49:46] it is safe to say that it esnt even the weirdest thing I did [18:49:55] because doing it with plaster is much worse [18:50:01] somehow i knew that [18:50:21] think the straws were a bit much... couldn't punch holes in plastic? :P [18:50:42] so.. tape next or? [18:51:29] this is much, much worse https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454730972060188673/521036068460560394/DSC_4579.JPG [18:53:49] Kind of helps to have a second person [19:57:14] the inside of the engine bells look corroded [19:57:28] but that looks like copper corrodation [19:57:35] green/blue [19:58:36] i noticed that. seawater is corrosive [19:58:44] but no way there is copper in the nozzles [19:59:31] the only green tgat i can think of is the ignition flame [20:00:11] perhaps seawater reacted with the hot metal [20:01:46] hehe, no metal in that [20:01:53] some carbon fiber composite [20:04:30] well it is unclear in the wiki what they use now [20:05:03] they started on composite but there is some mention of niobium alloy fpr the vacuum engine [20:24:39] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:00:28] They really want to add dV indication to the editor... [21:04:32] congratulations, should have been there in version 0.2 [21:04:57] https://twitter.com/KerbalSpaceP/status/1071185543483064322 [21:04:58] <KerbalSpaceP> Check out the �v per Stage Display: a long requested feature included in the upcoming update #KSP 1.6:& https://t.co/Fxeyyk9hYD [21:06:38] well, I don't get hyped by those things anymore [21:06:46] hehe meanwhile i heard a loud splash. my probe splashed down in the backgorond [21:06:51] I've played with KER all the time, so this is nothing new to me... [21:07:17] hehe they basically reimplement ker [21:08:00] ok, ker can do a lot more [21:08:10] but this is the most important one [21:08:43] for example important to watch atmospheric efficiency for an eve ascent, but i could just do it by the tables we used to know by heart in the old days :) [21:11:37] they also finally add the navigation to launch sites [21:12:18] i still need my actuatable joints to pack probes into fairings so that they can unfold in space [21:14:44] I want them, too! [21:15:46] delta iv heavy in 6 houurs 50 minutes [21:25:06] oh, scott about the water landing [21:30:12] and the mystery is solved, the rcs stopped the rotation [21:37:46] also they removed a leg, so it was not that big of a drag as fluburtur thought [21:49:43] omg, I flew my tiny rocket to orbit and landed it :))) http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot119.png [21:50:11] Took a lot of attempts for landing. [21:50:37] That's really a job for computers. [21:54:11] Spacex style water landing :). [22:02:14] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Yesterday, December 7th, 3062 - a date which will live in infamy - The Federated Suns was suddenly and deliberately attacked by DropShip and BattleMech forces of the Lyran Alliance. [22:03:16] That's not a second or third stage. It's an SSTO which had enough fuel to deorbit and land propulsively. [22:08:24] Action: Scolar_Visari prepares for impending helium-3 nonsense with Chang'e-4. [22:11:52] "They're there to mine hel-" "NO THEY ARE NOT." [22:11:59] Scolar_Visari: I suggest hitting them with a boron slug at sufficient velocity to induce fusion. [22:12:29] UmbralRaptor: I was just going to go for the easier reaction and stuff them inside a gigantic triple stage nuclear warhead. [22:13:59] I mean, the sure, what I'd actually do is point to the relative difficulty vs D-T, but still& [22:14:02] "Helium-3" is one of those words that should always raise a red flag whenever uttered. [22:14:38] Hey, now. Helium-3 is highly useful for some kinds of cryogenic research. [22:14:50] UmbralRaptor: I always try and point out that not only is deuterium and tritium an easier reaction, we don't need to really go mining for helium-3 in the first place. [22:15:35] We just take the people who keep spouting the helium-3 nonsense, fill their bodies with lithium and expose them to neutron radiation from a fission reactor. [22:19:45] Before we destroy all the lithium we'll fuse D-D. [22:20:15] Or will we go aneutronic? [22:21:56] Aneutronic's not as fun! [22:22:04] aneutronic" reactions can wait until we get useful energy amounts from D-T [22:22:26] sure [22:22:40]