[02:44:36] Hello. [03:13:23] ohai [04:50:18] https://techport.nasa.gov/view/94821 [04:50:56] Not only did they name the mission XCOM, they even made a patch to remove all doubt! [07:31:32] hello nibbers [07:31:43] . [07:32:05] ok im gonna leave [07:32:18] . [07:37:35] hehe [07:39:20] What are nibbers? [07:41:53] cant write that here [07:42:00] but look it up in urban dictionary [07:42:02] k [07:44:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:10:33] At first I was excited. Now, not so much. 15e for a few special parts and science experiments? [10:14:55] .oO( First I was afraid, I was petrified, ... sorry ;) [10:15:00] Black_Eagle: same for me. [10:15:10] Too expensive for things we had already in mods [10:15:25] and which died, because there's no longer enough interest in KSP to support them [10:15:37] I love KSP, but the management sometimes... [10:16:20] Someone mentioned "the split" in the comments. I presume this will be an actual thing; players who don't think it's worth and the rest who just don't care and get it anyway. [10:18:22] I can imagine the troubleshooting conversations. That happened with Skyrim: Dawnguard DLC had so much important content that modders stopped supporting vanilla Skyrim. [10:19:58] Well, I want to play with the robotics stuff [10:20:01] would make some things easier [10:20:06] some? Many! [10:20:25] But on the other hand, 15 EUR? Sorry, have to wait for a sale in two years or so [10:20:42] So do I. Out of principle I won't be buying it. I will also not mod KSP for personal reasons. This probably means I'll keep bitching about things that are not included in vanilla KSP... [10:25:18] well, "shouldhavebeenstock" seems to be a running gag through KSP forums [10:26:01] otoh, KSP stock needs to appeal to a larger audience than difficulty-enhancing mods [11:08:55] this seems like a maintenance nightmare waiting to happen [11:10:00] but i do think that robotic parts is something i missed from the game [11:10:33] not sure if what they introduce is anything like what i imagined i was missing... [11:14:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v Hikaru' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:15:36] Eddi|zuHause: thanks to Unity and the old Mono version in it it has to be a nightmare already... [11:16:18] also never forget that the initial devs weren't that experienced. Chosing Unity for such a project was a decision I'd never made [11:16:32] the maintenance nightmare is about having these parts that may or may not be enabled, which will eventually not be orthogonal enough... [11:16:44] the DLCs i mean [11:17:11] with more and more DLCs coming, the combinations grow exponentially [11:17:40] There's a time in software development when you got to chose between: Throw everything away and start from scratch or do a complete overhaul. And KSP passed that point a few years ago ;P [11:18:01] Action: Mat2ch is working on such a project right now [11:18:14] that's why games go to a version 2.0... [11:18:14] and we're trying to get the customer to make the decision to throw (almost) everythin away... [11:18:52] Unreal Engine, but no epic exclusive, nicer graphics, computation done in C/C++, etc... [11:19:02] Good graphics+speed [11:19:10] i've also worked on a project where things were barely holding together, let alone doing what they were supposed to do, but nobody had the balls to say "cut it, we start over" [11:19:23] Simple Rockets 2 can handle > 1000 parts without lags and even on crashes it's not that bad [11:19:39] Eddi|zuHause: there's a name for it... uhm, wait [11:19:42] a version 2.0 also usually means a new product to sell. which isn't bad [11:19:49] Action: packbart bought Portal 2 and Portal [11:20:38] so I would expect a potential KSP 2 to be a completely different thing than KSP 1 [11:20:59] well, there's a difference between internal versions and marketing versions [11:26:25] Sunk cost fallacy! That's what I was looking for. [11:27:32] You can tell some people that it's going to be cheaper to throw everything away, instead of fixing all the little things and they still want you to fix it [12:46:09] bah, i lost a slave rebellion, even though i had troops nearby... should have immediately ordered more :/ [12:47:07] who would have thought that these people don't like being kept as cattle and harvested for food? [12:47:29] these individualists are so difficult to understand [13:01:20] https://twitter.com/NovaSilisko/status/1125980444040757248 [13:01:20] Apparently AT-- Orb-- Northrop Grumman offers literally the Hammer SRB from KSP for sale https://t.co/8BxHvMvQfS [13:02:06] .... [13:02:39] sometimes I think KSP's SRBs are a little too 'thicc'... [13:13:25] JVFoxy, how so? You want 0.625m ones? They exist [13:14:40] lordcirth mods right? [13:15:23] Of course. Several different mods have it. Restock+ is best, because it adds lots of other stuff. [13:16:03] was something I tried a long time ago.. some reason it kept glitching.. didn't work very well. [13:16:52] Restock? [13:17:08] Restock only got a stable release pretty recently [13:17:09] I don't recall exact mod though.. I stuck six of the smaller SRB boosters on.. it either glitch and blew up on the pad before I could do anything, or that infinate drag bug that pulled stages really hard into the core [13:17:32] don't know.. some years back. [13:18:11] Well, mods and KSP stability have come a long way, try Restock and Restock+ [13:21:33] infinite drag bug was a stock thing too... usually when you stagged boosters while going fast down low.. [13:24:18] it may have been an old FASA/NASA mod I had.. [13:25:19] this "AT-- Orb--" is some sort of inside joke? [13:26:48] Not sure what that is [15:39:31] Trying to figure out a name for a rocket and spacecraft system... [15:39:48] Started looking up words, translated to other languages... [15:39:52] come across: Ontdekkingsreiziger [15:40:08] lol [15:40:24] I.. eh.. ya.. -confused- Dutch for 'Explorer' [15:41:00] just call itt eyjafjallajökull, rolls off the tongue :) [15:41:58] Action: JVFoxy throws into into google translate.. -uh.. detects it as english. 'no.....?' [15:42:38] tha is the name of the volcano in icelanad that a few years ago stopped european flights because of the ash [15:42:46] so i had time to practice it :) [15:43:40] no.. a name, no wonder it had hard time figuring it out [15:43:58] I'm sure it means something. [15:44:07] it does [15:44:15] i know that eyja in icelandic is island [15:44:18] speaking of Icelandic: landkönnuður [15:44:50] from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f88UJyCA__M [15:44:50] YouTube - The Hardest Karaoke Song in the World [15:45:03] ... can't say I've seen ð before [15:45:22] lol [15:49:10] uff.. finish for 'explorer' not much better... [15:49:20] tutkimusmatkailija [15:58:05] Ah.. German.. Erforscher [15:58:38] Eh.. I have hard time making up simple names... at times [16:00:09] simple, call itt 00000000, the next one 00000001... [16:00:15] just call itt eyjafjallajökull, rolls off the tongue :) <-- i think you missed a few umlauts in that [16:00:36] no i didnt [16:01:13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyjafjallaj%C3%B6kull [16:01:15] also, how long ago was that? [16:01:27] 2010 [16:02:47] well, it's also possible my mind wants to put some umlauts in to make sense of it phonetically [16:03:40] also interesting that "ll" seems to make a "tl" sound [16:03:41] wasn't there another eruption recently that caused flight disruptions? [16:04:03] JVFoxy: in indonesia? [16:06:17] btw wintergatan [16:06:28] but i am still watching latest flat earth research :) [16:07:15] JVFoxy: I'd use "Entdecker" rather than "Erforscher", even though google translates that back to "discoverer" [16:07:41] hehe i felt that there was something wrong with erforscher [16:07:57] ah.. one in chile back 2011 [16:08:00] but i am too bad with german to know what [16:08:09] maybe it is more like researcher instead oif discoverer [16:08:11] or explorer [16:08:30] I was looking for something with explorer [16:08:37] Weltenbummler <-> Globetrotter [16:09:19] google gave me: Forscher but I went with Erforscher as it said Explorer, Researcher, Investigator [16:11:35] come across: Ontdekkingsreiziger <-- this also contains "Entdecker" [16:12:17] I was more making fun of the long word.. [16:13:02] I like interesting names, just not a mouthful [16:13:43] just cut it in half and take the nearest actual word :p [16:14:08] continue with a process like this until you end up with one character [16:14:35] well, the Ontdek class is a nice series of explorer vessels [16:14:37] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG62zay3kck [16:14:37] YouTube - Rhabarberbarbara [16:14:42] just because of long words [16:14:55] "Ontdekking" seems to mean "Discovery" [16:15:59] if I knew how to read the Cyrillic alphabet.. I'd probably use those letters for russian words.. [16:16:11] relatively easy [16:16:13] greek alphabet would be interesting, though I only know a few letters [16:16:16] but i havent masterred it yet [16:16:18] cyrillic is really not hard [16:16:33] come on you have to know most of the greek anyway, jsut because all the science symbols [16:17:17] I come across them before.. don't have it /all/ memorized... [16:17:35] though russians tend to not use words like "discovery" for these type of things, but rather "peace", "friendship", ... [16:17:37] do have a book on learning greek but not sure where it went off to when I moved/cleaned things up. [16:17:59] ... Mir... Mir 2... [16:18:43] (like the drushba pipeline) [16:19:16] sorry, was reading up on stuff on ISS... Expedition 1 crew wanted to go with callsign Alpha. Some Russian took offense, since they saw Mir as alpha [16:22:46] also, "sojus" means something like "union" [16:31:16] so he is making the drums now [16:31:26] or rather the sound of them [16:31:44] the sound of drums? [16:33:28] in a previous episode he made some of the drums but now there is some sound [16:45:54] new video from Kevin.. ISS Episode 4 - Zvezda [16:46:01] proton rocket launching Zvezda had a Pizza Hut logo on the side [16:46:31] hehe, why on the inside [16:51:10] hmm [16:51:15] yet another dlc [16:51:28] yet another? this is the second one [16:51:38] so, yet another [16:51:49] actually third [16:52:05] ? [16:52:10] because there was one that had the asteroid hunter teledocpe thing, and it was later integrated into the game [16:52:18] oh right [16:52:46] I'm just corious [16:53:10] how far there new stuff are from the mods that were implementing the same? [16:53:39] IR has always been a bugfest everytime I've tried to use it [16:54:15] it was working fine for me [16:54:27] I was not a heavy user, but was OK [16:57:38] umaxtu IR has known issues.. depends on what you trying to do [16:58:17] I messed with it a little.. but had a hard time trying to integrate a little rover onto a rocket.. the build 'tree' system is... frustrating at times [16:59:08] more so when you want to have two or more separate crafts built into the main one. Or at least.. not figure out how [17:11:31] it became easier for me once i figured out how the reroot tool works [17:26:56] aw... yay for being done in Lego: https://ideascdn.lego.com/community/lego_ci/projects/d06/1bd/4496497-o_1bjhdcjlt2k3109q8p6fmp1tbnr-cUR-MHJFmkQGgg-thumbnail-full.jpg [17:43:56] why does elon speak about lordi on twitter? [17:51:54] Althego: because he named one of his Teslas "Eurovision" [17:52:05] hehe [17:58:48] Hmmm... 4.16t near Mun habitat.. with current launch vehicle, seems I've a little extra DV to play with and add some extras [17:59:03] RCS would be nice I suppose.. [18:00:08] wants me to dock two things in orbit around Mun, another is a spacewalk. Another for a landing though I suppose I could send a lander over to the station later on [18:01:10] oh.. science from LKO.. suppose I could stick a sensor on the launch vehicle, make it recoverable [18:23:24] just use any of your already running missions [18:23:37] you can send anything, typically thermometer or crew report [18:25:14] currently.. booster on return path, no sensors. minmus lander has only stuff specific for 3 areas, then its direct landing home. I'm currently designing a little station thing to go out to medium mun orbit. [18:26:24] but you always need to go into orbit to go anywhere, so just run this from an other mission [18:26:27] i've a crewed craft, akin to Apollo CSM designed and waiting to go out later.. suppose I can snagged some sci while in LKO before going out [18:27:29] I haven't named my mun shed thing yet... had to add a little extra fuel to the side boosters. if it leaves me with some left over, I may mod things a little, make it recoverable, add something for when it comes back down.. [18:30:40] thoughts on this booster design? https://imgur.com/a/Q0nzmxW [18:39:27] fairing is too big [18:44:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:45:53] Althego lol... I could slim it down but not by much. Has to get around the docking ports and hard to judge with they that far from the transition.. ugh. [18:46:14] you can sink the docking ports in [18:46:30] also change it to smaller one, unless you already have something in space that needs it [18:47:16] 'smaller one' smaller what? [18:47:48] that is the medium one, there is a smaller one [18:48:11] ah also I figured out why fairing... stupid thing wouldn't let me go narrower from the base.. had a min size, probably because the angle it comes up at with the decoupler thing in the way [18:48:31] the fairing has quite a lot of mass, with a rocket i would just skip it, the antenna and the docking port is not much of a drag, you are up at 20 km fast enough [18:48:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/575619249113006090/DSC_1261.JPG [18:48:59] what is that [18:49:32] went with regular sized port, just for realism.. crew vehicle going to it, Mk1-3 with docking port on nose. [18:56:55] ok nice... fairings don't get hung up on the base when in clamshell deploy.. at least while on the ground.. [19:03:03] Althego: because he named one of his Teslas "Eurovision" <-- so there were like 60 odd eurovision winners, what makes lordi stand out? [19:03:22] monster costumes? [19:08:13] never heard of Lordi... pretty over the top outfits.. [19:10:02] How often do metal bands win music contests? [19:10:12] probably not often [19:10:58] https://www.gog.com/game/brutal_legend [19:11:01] accidentally [19:11:08] 74% off [19:11:50] I thought Lordi would win, but my parents were like Nah [19:12:22] i don't remember what i thought [19:12:40] i dont care about eurovision in general [19:12:53] I haven't watched it in years [19:13:01] after the fact i thought the song was ok [19:13:13] i have watched it a bunch of times [19:13:25] my interest goes up and down a bit [19:13:48] there were a few years where i didn't care [19:23:02] also, my favourites usually don't win [20:05:46] named a basic station: xmara (Ukrainian, said as khmara) [20:05:56] 'Cloud'... even though its around the Mun [20:10:03] Would have gone with 'camp'.. but figured I'd save that one for a base station [20:51:04] Fluburtur: modern art? [21:51:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:26:52] I thought, Lorde was a 45-year-old geologist from Colorado named Randy Marsh