[00:04:19] that *is* intense [00:05:26] could be something got wacky during game or mod update(s) [00:45:26] Eddi|zuHause: the in game screen shot is F1 [01:05:59] alt f4 [01:10:47] yeah, i'll try that right now, because my flight did not reach orbit [01:13:56] Awww, you did not go to space today. [01:14:46] oh i was properly in space [01:15:00] it just didn't circularize in time [01:16:21] It is so frustrating to get the apoapsis to the right point but not have enough lead time for the circularization burn. [01:26:14] Do you think Elons car is still playing songs on the radio? [01:28:56] unsure how well the electronics would deal with the van allen belt [01:29:18] but if the batteries and radio survived through that I figure it should last several months [01:29:46] sounds a bit long [01:30:18] but if there's no air to transmit sound, is the radio really playing? :p [01:30:57] there's the car itself to transmit sound I suppose [01:31:13] lol, no one can see the display but if it's sti;ll going, it's still playing. [01:31:39] the battery's probably already dead [01:31:50] he said it'd last about 12 hours [01:40:13] what kind of radio and batteries did they put in that thing? o_O [01:40:34] well I suppose most of the power would go to that don't panic screen [02:00:39] I thought the words were painted on, hmm. [02:09:54] Oooh. Someone on Reddit suggested that Squad make one of the unknown tracking objects a red Tesla car. [02:10:08] I'm actually a little surprised there's no mod yet doing that. [02:30:27] Teapotahedron! [04:48:15] okay what the heck....Lubuntu updated to the weird video bug for some reason [08:18:57] so... [08:19:21] sorta avoided the place for a bit... was guessing there'd be a lot of falcon heavy chatter... [08:19:39] and then I come across this tweet... [08:19:40] https://twitter.com/TorinDarkflight/status/961071825689161728 [08:19:41] Ok...whoever made this picture, you are awesome. XD #FalconHeavy #TeslaInSpace https://t.co/QTWdChiwrW [09:19:44] JCB: ahha. I literally watched that episode right after the launch [09:29:44] thekosmonaut I don't even know which one it was. [09:29:53] The 37s [09:30:12] Season 2 Episode 1 [09:30:21] someone said in the comments it was the one with amelia... if I recal, it was the one aliens picked her up and had her and a few others in cold storage [09:30:59] the crew just picked up an old truck... was it? Radio was still playing but was some kinda sos..? [09:31:02] They find the pick up truck, then follow its trail to a planet with Amelia Earhart, her navigator, an Imperial Japanese officer, a farmer that owned the truck, and I think someone else [09:31:24] ya ok... I wouldn't have been able to get the episode just from the scene. [09:31:26] But eventually they discover that alien abductions in the 30s was real and that they had basically created a planet of humans [09:31:59] nog... [09:32:10] It's funny because Tuvok pulls his phaser when the truck backfires in the cargo bay [09:32:23] ya.. typical [09:33:02] Saw Tim Russ in an episode of NCIS: New Orleans last week... [09:33:40] ... They have a new orleans spin off now? [09:35:34] been for a while [09:35:45] scott baculla would you believe? [09:36:04] Oh how the far they have fallen [09:36:12] appearntly not very far [09:36:14] ER [09:36:22] How far they have fallen* [09:36:55] not uncommon... look at what happened to a number of the TNG cast and gargoyles animated series. [09:37:03] I liked Enterprise. It gets a lot of hate because it didn't attain its full potential [09:37:13] Voyager was the same. [09:37:34] Though both Voyager and enterprise have some of the best overall episodes. [09:37:39] Enterprise was intersting.. though wasn't fan of the direction it went late ron [09:37:45] Voyager has Year of Hell which was great. [09:37:56] JCB: I felt the same. I actually didn't like the Xindi arc [09:38:13] But lots of people seemed to find that to be the best part. [09:38:34] Enterprise did do some cool continuity stuff with how damaged enterprise was. Which was certainly cool. [09:38:58] Voyager could have been an entire series of the Year of Hell. But execs didn't approve. [09:39:14] The good thing is, it's what spurred Ronald Moore to do BSG so can't all be bad. [09:40:05] lol.. I remember seeing ads for a number of the series together.. The good, the bad, and the Phlox... umm.. [09:41:34] Year of Hell? [09:41:37] ugh.. speaking of Gargoyles..... here's a scary crossover: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/05/07/26/5072602_93bc02bb.jpg [09:42:51] Year of hell... two episodes if I remember. Some one built a time travelling ship, starts meddling with time stream to get his wife back, ends up doing all sorts of havic. Voyager gets caught up in things... [09:43:54] oh right [09:44:03] isn't that how they get out of the alpha quadrant eventually [09:44:13] or.... do they have a chance to leave, but they don't for some silly reason? [09:44:50] eh... not really... [09:44:53] I like to say I liked voyager but it's all a blur honestly, I only remember snippets of episodes I watched while visiting my grandmother [09:45:20] Robert Duncan McNeill, aka Paris, good greif his looks changed since the series. [09:46:17] Well. They really wanted to keep him as the same character from TNG [09:46:40] But it became budgetarily prohibitive because they'd have to pay royalties to the writers of that episode of TNG [09:49:16] eh..? [09:49:42] TNG episode? [09:49:54] Yep. [09:50:12] you lost me.. I only known him to play as paris in Voyager series [09:50:28] The First Duty [09:50:37] S5E19 or 20 [09:51:08] Basically, Wesley is being questioned by tribunal after the death of a fellow cadet pilot after a flight training accident [09:51:48] Wesley, Paris, and a couple of other cadets conspire and hide evidence that they were practicing an illegal maneuver for an upcoming air show [09:52:02] Paris is the leader of the team. [09:52:19] He's then punished when Wesley caves and eats them out [09:52:24] Rats* [09:52:33] ok I remember that episode.. didn't realize was same paris [09:52:47] Same actor. But they couldn't make him the same character. Sadly. [09:52:49] hmm... [09:53:05] voyager paris I remember had something else of a rather shady background [09:53:22] But the overall character is the same, the reason he is in the penal colony was supposed to be for reasons related to and stemming from that incident at the academy [09:53:43] But they changed the details to go from the flight accident to a different incident [09:56:16] reading up on the story they have for him.. [10:07:10] hmm.. [10:07:23] which paris they almost based off? [10:07:44] said from crusher's flying group right? I don't see his name listed. [10:13:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:32:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/411205389976338433/IMG_20180208_173135.jpg [11:32:58] finally [11:37:44] is that device behind it for balancing purpoises? [11:38:06] yeah is to balance the blades [11:45:55] actually those are pretty handy because they can balance regular props too [11:46:09] and I kinda needed one for a while and I got it for free with the heli [11:47:13] not often that i am right about something... [11:47:42] eithr it was that or a seesaw toy [11:47:54] yeah it's a swing for bugs actually [11:48:15] Ź_Ź [11:57:10] look at that cat https://78.media.tumblr.com/c5b0b932de2ebf3d09b6965e55bfa147/tumblr_p3guf97xAi1rdkpu1o4_r1_540.png [12:49:32] hello any1 online? [12:51:06] :/ - ? [12:51:10] ? [12:51:11] ?? [12:51:12] ??? [12:51:15] ???? [12:51:17] ??? [12:51:19] ?? [12:51:22] ??? [12:51:24] ?? [12:51:25] ? [13:22:01] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBBf8RUep8U [13:22:01] YouTube - 10 Technologies You Never Knew Were Invented By NASA [13:22:11] lol what was that with the question marks? [13:23:18] Althego look https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/411205389976338433/IMG_20180208_173135.jpg [13:23:28] you got it [13:25:03] yeah finally [13:25:08] im doing the settings rn [13:25:17] I can move the swashplate and spin the motor [13:32:40] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7LJIuB2CHE [13:32:40] YouTube - Elon Musk on how Falcon Heavy will change space travel [13:35:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:35:46] here he says that they havent decided that whether the moon thing happens with the bfr or the fh [13:36:19] why do people always think that rockets need something to push against [13:37:10] because they don't understand momentum [13:39:07] but he also said previously that fh will not be human rated [13:39:26] Rockets push against fuel. [13:39:45] funny thing is, the center of mass of the whole systems stays motionless [13:52:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o TheKosmonaut' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:53:11] hah! systematic classification of life, ep22, finally [13:53:27] and he has to finish each episode with a really bad dad level pun [13:54:08] https://futurism.com/scientists-achieve-direct-counterfactual-quantum-communication-for-the-first-time/ hm [13:58:28] quantum zeno effect, never heard of it [13:58:33] but apparently still exists [14:10:54] 123 [14:11:11] . [14:11:20] PirateAE: 456 [14:12:10] ... any idea what would be causing this? https://imgur.com/UdBP5CD its been an issue for a while and really took a bunch of steam out of wanting to play ksp :/ mod list in a sec [14:12:10] https://i.imgur.com/UdBP5CD.png [14:12:24] https://imgur.com/Rzku4Xe [14:12:24] https://i.imgur.com/Rzku4Xe.png [14:14:23] think it was you that responded intaly there kosmo? any idea? [14:15:19] Oh wow [14:15:26] That's impressive [14:15:54] somethings screwing with teh aero but im not sure what [14:16:10] at this point im considering a full reinstall reset of mods etc but :/ [14:16:12] You're inside Kerbin atmosphere? [14:16:25] yea [14:16:42] on (a failed autopilot) accent [14:17:00] I cannot se [14:17:05] see the text [14:17:17] gonan update what i can and try again in a moment to reconfirm its still an issue but :/ [14:17:21] Maybe because I'm on mobile [14:18:07] I would start troubleshooting by removing any mods that deal with heating, atmosphere and lighting [14:18:35] would get a larger image but 38*24 [14:20:06] also has ksp itelf updated in teh last month ish? [14:20:13] no [14:20:17] What do your logs say? [14:20:29] 1.3.1 was some months ago. 1.4 coming in march [14:20:34] What happens if you turn off aero fx or change the intensity of them? [14:20:44] game will look worse [14:20:51] ill trouble shoot that , in mid boot atm [14:21:15] got pop ups for 4 mods for 1.3 version but dont think that would be an iddue [14:21:21] Althego: worse than a firey version of the last scenr in Interstellar? [14:22:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:23:51] i didnt get the pun this time at the end of the episode [14:24:07] maybe it was so bad that my brain protected itself [14:24:50] @Deddly better screen of mods folder [14:24:51] https://imgur.com/a/1abkc [14:24:51] https://i.imgur.com/l5xycqT.png [14:25:06] use dir /b [14:29:47] while speaking of mods, anybody have an idea which of these mods could cause my gimbal issue from yesterday? https://ibin.co/3r7WbrvIrcRa.png [14:30:25] gimbal issue: gimbals too far https://ibin.co/3r3Ho95doJmB.png https://ibin.co/3r3HzhJmzjiZ.png [14:30:31] @thekosmonaut Droping to minimal aero fx removes it but :/ i would rather be able to see it [14:30:44] Hmm [14:31:26] Still have the issue without FAR? [14:33:13] oh great, ckan crashed :/ [14:35:37] gonan try first takeing out my two texture related things (texture replacer and the GPP textures [14:37:30] https://pastebin.com/ERFpcsKZ if anyone cares [14:37:37] next if thsi one fails will be simple ajust farings [14:37:44] happened when resizing ckan [14:40:42] whats teh cheat window buttons again? [14:40:50] alt-f12 [14:41:03] or right shift on linux instead of al [14:47:59] not working for some reason :/ [14:48:32] one of the keys is not working or some other program intercepts it before it gets there [14:48:55] nativia maybe :/ (grapics triver [14:48:58] drover [14:49:41] yes that overlay thing has quite a few keyboard shortcuts and i had to modify all of them because the collided with something else [14:49:48] but i think those let it through [14:50:57] a 5 thumper rocket should get me going fast enough to cause aero so >.> [14:51:06] inf fuel would be better nit [14:53:52] if i could keep it pointed where it should be >.< [15:02:25] fun fact the design that finaly got me able to try again... got me to orbital if i hadent turned [15:02:50] on just solids [15:04:48] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:05:04] normal areo , abit all stock [15:05:11] so lets try truble vessal again [15:07:01] I reved up my heli [15:07:07] pretty impressive [15:07:23] and it still works? *ducksandhides* :D [15:08:06] you will see very soon [15:08:25] or when the video finished uploading with that crap internet I have [15:10:10] :) [15:10:17] how did you rocket engine tests go? [15:10:31] didn't make one since the last one that didn't fire [15:13:33] https://youtu.be/jQuTQJMT40M [15:13:34] YouTube - heli rev up [15:20:48] :D TheKosmonaut Deddky found my trouble part ... what what mod is it attaced to [15:20:55] now what* [15:21:24] The olympics games needs a rocket competition [15:22:36] https://imgur.com/a/X4SXx ... what mod adds this part? [15:22:36] https://i.imgur.com/bDzmV6O.png [15:22:56] Although, the paralympic games have the most impression competition of all: Blind Downhill skiing [15:23:37] PirateE: look up the manifacturer [15:25:14] something is very wrong here... [15:25:26] how can a symmetrical rocket have an asymmetric center of lift? [15:25:39] you did a mistake somewhere? [15:28:37] hm, i sold the hitchhiker and bought it again, now it seems better [15:29:22] and now the rocket editor is broken :/ [15:31:59] hm, no it was the RCS thruster attached to it [15:42:30] ve2dmn wasnt that easy... ended up makeing a 2 part craft and searching the .craft file. SXTTubeAntenna kinda points out what mod [15:42:57] never heard of that mod... [15:43:48] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/151129-131-sxt-continued/ [15:43:56] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:44:00] and i just loked myself out of my account on teh fourms ... ffs [15:44:06] locked* [15:44:13] how? [15:44:22] couldnt remember password [15:44:51] hehe i never even had an account. already too many [15:47:30] Get a password manager. it changed my life [15:48:03] Hi! [15:48:04] nothing good came out of anything that was called manager [15:48:25] hah! you didnt get an automatic reply [15:48:46] Above me... [15:49:02] Hi [15:49:10] pierce the heavens with a rocket, not a drill [15:49:43] WOAH, SOMEONE GOT MY NAME REFERENCE [15:50:24] Althego: seriously, better to have strong password and a way to remember them then re-using the same stupid password everywhere [15:50:29] Back to KSP [15:50:33] that is what i am doing [15:50:48] and hence running out of mental storage [15:51:21] Because the scenario you want to avoid is the password dumps [15:51:43] You do not control how the password are stored on any backend [15:51:43] Just proved that Duna-geostationary sattelites aren't stable [15:51:54] i use reused passwords for things that dont matter at all [15:53:02] I mean... look at this list: https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites [15:53:35] lol, does myspace even exist? [15:53:42] hm, it says my 3rd stage has 3800m/s dV, yet it didn't circularize for some reason? [15:53:53] air resistance [15:54:32] https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7weaa0/dunageostationary_sattelites_arent_stable/ [15:54:53] now i just need a fourm mod to approve that post [15:55:34] link? [15:55:52] What link? [15:56:01] from zelda :) [15:56:22] for me? https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/151129-131-sxt-continued/&page=17 [15:57:00] only just noticed i missed that A >.> [15:58:55] things that happen when you press space at the wrong time :/ [15:59:20] Eddi|zuHause: I don't press space anymore. kOS does it for me [15:59:29] lol [16:03:08] H [16:03:11] Hi [16:03:24] Just restarted [16:03:50] no h is allowed here :) [16:04:23] I was typing Hi, my keyboard is buggy [16:04:31] shutdown -r NOW [16:04:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:05:59] 759 Little Green People orbiting, no response for 20 mins [16:07:16] Its quiet... [16:07:16] ack. I crashed [16:07:37] the sound of silence [16:07:44] yep [16:07:55] With a VSauce video [16:09:47] ... [16:09:52] 5 mins [16:10:48] what [16:10:52] Sometimes we sleep [16:10:59] not yet [16:11:12] althpugh the japanese branch is probably sleeping soon [16:11:17] if not already [16:11:59] Japaaaaan [16:13:14] PirateAE: approved :) [16:13:53] Althego: untrue. Tokyo Never Sleeps. [16:14:10] FINALLY I GOT A negative comment dammit [16:14:11] 06/08/2017 >.< [16:14:11] i thought that was new yourk [16:14:59] Times Square wont stop moving! - Barby from GeographyNow [16:18:08] quiet [16:18:27] anyway cities dont sleep, but individuals in the cities do, especially if they have to work for the family as at least 2 of the 3 have to [16:18:47] ...Why are asynchronous communication so annoying. [16:18:56] not so annoying [16:19:08] The sometimes reverse order of packet arrival.... [16:19:14] ...is... [16:19:17] at least we are not working with mars level time delay [16:19:31] i call it the relativity of simultaneity of irc [16:19:49] lins can change apparent order from certain points of view [16:21:11] I did the night shift some years ago. You discover a whole new side of the city you never knew existed. [16:21:40] i did 32 hour workdays and you discover nothing [16:23:34] Man, Imagine London at 00:00 [16:23:47] cant [16:23:52] never went there [16:24:25] although i played enough prototype that i feel i am somewhat familiar with manhattan :) [16:24:30] I'm talking more about doing your groceries at 4:00 in the morning and meeting the cleaning, waxing and inventory crew [16:26:04] 6:30 AM SCHOOL [16:26:37] 6:30-7:00 was my bedtime in thoses days [16:28:31] Mine is 7-9 pm [16:31:06] https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7weaa0/dunageostationary_sattelites_arent_stable/ comment there plz [16:33:17] RIP IRC CHAT [16:33:36] irc never dies [16:34:05] IK [16:34:19] but this one is silent [16:34:29] GurrenLagannCWP: Europe and North America are at work, Asia is asleep [16:34:38] Idle Relay Chat: we are not here to entertain you. [16:35:04] europe at work on a Friday evening? I doubt it :D [16:35:13] I'm in a bar [16:35:16] Also, most city centers are dead between about 1800 and 0600. [16:35:26] petti: .... better explanation [16:35:40] UmbralRaptor: no night life? [16:36:18] what [16:36:39] ve2dmn: I recall being in downtown KC in that timeframe, and there were just barely enough to prevent it looking post-apocalyptic. [16:37:59] UmbralRaptor: same with Toronto, but I imagine that Europe is a bit more like Montreal where it's a bit more mixed [16:38:28] Montreal is frigging weird [16:38:39] ..as told by a Finn here [16:38:45] petti: We live in a bubble, yes [16:39:22] >.> sure people wont mind a cough in a simle 5 min video, forgot to check mic not record... hate being asmatic [16:40:07] synthesize your voice hawking style :) [16:40:34] "Component-rich exhaust" [16:40:40] There's a fun term. [16:40:52] hehe [16:41:06] petti: I always wonder why we have Tourist, but then I remember that I live here and I point-of-view is bias [16:41:13] I would like to see someone do an actual lithobraking from orbit. [16:41:17] In KSP [16:41:33] not hard on planets with atmospheres [16:41:43] That's aerobraking. [16:41:49] Blaank: there was a video about someone doing that on minmus [16:41:54] no, because at the end you would still hit the ground [16:42:07] even i did that on minmus [16:42:17] Can you hit the ground at 0 m/s? [16:42:34] There was also a video of a craft simply 'breaking' from orbital speeds on minmus [16:43:15] But how if there is only a single point of contact and then you are in the air again? You'd have to instantly go from orbital to suborbital in order to stay on the surface and use your brakes. [16:43:46] you could shear off some parts on a mountain coming in then you'd be slow enough to stay on the surface. [16:44:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:49:23] https://gfycat.com/FrankCapitalDromedary [16:49:38] uhm, this spacecraft is way too bulky to run a "grab this part and recover it" mission [16:50:04] Eddi|zuHause: Think bigger [16:50:49] should have brought more reaction wheels maybe [16:52:05] or more boosters [16:52:13] https://gfycat.com/FrankCapitalDromedary Kerbin vs Giant dice [16:52:26] doesnt lok like kerbin [16:52:32] universe sandbox [16:53:22] ve2dmn: well I was there to work.. [16:53:37] in montreal? me too [16:53:50] ve2dmn: Rolling or sliding? [16:54:03] petti: at least you can understand my weather :) [16:54:22] darsie: don't remember [16:54:40] ve2dmn: yep :) [16:54:48] Its impossible to make a exact copy of Kerbin in US2 [16:55:45] last trip was early february too, it was almost wintery with the -25 and wind [16:55:57] hehe i managed to avoif winter [16:56:04] both there and in finland [16:56:34] I find it funny that they complain about the cold at the olympics... [16:56:44] winter olympics lol [16:56:47] it has to be cold [16:56:47] winter is the best time in finland [16:58:03] least i final figured out my issue... now maybe it can get fixed and i can enjoy ksp again. now if only modding eu4 was so simple... [16:58:45] The KSP team should use US2 to simulate the Jool system [16:59:12] i finally grabbed it, after like the 5th attempt [16:59:15] video of the issue start to issue( already put on the mods page) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABy9-zxAqQ&feature=youtu.be Mind the cough ~30 secs in forgot to not record mic. [16:59:15] YouTube - STX Error relating to tube attena [17:01:33] petti: what was your impression? [17:02:54] petti: btw, I always ask any tourist I talk to "why visit here". The best answer so far: "because it's there. Every place has a story and I'm here to see bits of it" [17:10:13] Reset? [17:11:46] ve2dmn: mixed. I could not believe the variety between rich and beggars.. not so obvious here. [17:12:03] and the traffic was... [17:12:10] even in the summer [17:12:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDO6uqKWzIY [17:12:29] YouTube - 8 STUPID MISTAKES everybody makes in Kerbal Space Program [17:13:23] 'variety' ? [17:13:31] Putting docking port on the wrong way...check [17:13:43] Draconiator: +1 [17:16:57] I did that at first and I could NOT figure out why the heck I wasn't docking. Learned that pretty fast. I also remember my first attempt to otbit Mun...granted I didn't know how orbital mechanics worked back then either, so I just smacked into it. [17:19:21] I started playing KSP the same way I started playing MC: After watching tons of youtube videos to understand what the game was [17:19:27] I also converted KSP to another game, SimpleRockets [17:19:49] Because my PC is bad [17:21:34] petti: that traffic is what happens when you try to cram North-American style car uses in an older city [17:23:20] also, 1 mayor didn't want the autoroute to go through his city, and we are still paying for that decision 50-60 years later [17:24:06] I kind-of learned KSP by playing SimpleRockets [17:24:28] i had no clue what i was doing until a half dozen scott manley videos [17:24:48] i was shooting straight up trying to time it so i hit the moon. never could slow down in time [17:26:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEevo7Vo-uk Put the song in the background, so the chat becomes epic [17:26:29] YouTube - E.S. posthumus- Unstoppable [17:27:43] for that you need 2 steps from hell :) [17:27:56] ok this is good too [17:28:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwJj2EpC8vg [17:28:14] YouTube - Strength of a Thousand Men - Two Steps from Hell [17:28:32] I STILL have problems with staging too...mostly because the game messes it up. More than once I've tried to launch a rocket, and the boosters just fly off without the core....heh [17:32:11] i don't use default staging because of that Draconiator [17:32:45] also today i flied some planes that i made earlier and they felt so nice... compared to that asteroid moving contraption [17:34:28] ve2dmn: I hear you used to have trams in the olden days. [17:42:40] so weird, i was watching the tracking station recently, and thought "oh 7 days until maneuver", then i did some random mission, and afterwards it was "8 days"... turns out it was actually past the maneuver point to begin with [17:42:54] it should definitely have a different colour then [17:42:59]