[07:48:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:54:39] https://youtu.be/MkqKD_FZzd4?t=550 in the comments they speculate that this could be the first part of a superheavy [08:57:58] supposedly under construction, so nothing surprising [08:58:20] is that the top part of the highbay already? [08:58:31] because those panels now look different [08:59:12] https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/agAx9jW_460svav1.mp4 [08:59:57] so what happened to the snow in usa? [09:01:26] https://oilcity.news/community/weather/2020/09/08/photos-mondays-snowfall-breaks-historical-record-in-casper/ [09:01:31] it seems it did happen [09:05:17] this year seems to be pretty whack all round [09:05:38] Althego: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eMZL3wPJxQ Part 2 [09:05:40] last year was incredibly whack to me [09:05:48] i lived in a school bus with a chick [09:05:54] on another continent [09:05:57] hehe [09:06:11] Althego: yes, top part of the high bay. Some side panels are missing and the inner crane, but then it's done [09:06:39] flayer: wait, what? [09:06:44] she didn't want to let me go, i feel like she kidnapped me [09:06:52] i escaped through canada [09:07:50] if there were non avian dinosaurs, would we call the young of them chicks? or something else? [09:08:08] smol dino! [09:08:21] pup, cub, kit, etc [09:08:24] flayer: uh, that sounds like a movie script [09:08:30] Mat2ch, ikr [09:08:34] smol dino! I insist! [09:09:50] i think non-avian dinosaurs are like lizards basically [09:10:19] maybe alligators or crocodiles, some fish or whatever sharks are [09:10:28] would crocodils count as non-avian dinosaurs? [09:10:50] hatchlings [09:11:02] that's what i'd call them maybe [09:11:40] i wish we lived in a world twice as big with half the human population [09:11:57] s/in/on [09:12:24] Did someone say call me maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQhG59zqZc [09:12:24] YouTube - Call Me Maybe - Carly Rae Jepsen (Chatroulette Version) [09:12:45] flayer: you should visit some desert then. Or go sail the ocean [09:13:02] i plan on getting a sailboat [09:13:06] this planet can be very lonely. [09:13:16] Oh, I'm looking for one, too. [09:13:29] but it's more about the human experience in general, not just for myself to be in such a situation [09:13:47] well, some want to go to Mars, so... [09:13:54] many of them had feathers [09:14:07] so they look more like birds than lizards [09:14:59] lol the dancer [09:34:41] There's a street closure scheduled for tomorrow for Boca Chica. SN7.1 test hopefully :D [09:34:52] And another for the 14th Sept [09:34:55] another hop? [09:35:17] can be [09:35:21] SN5 should be done [09:35:27] last hops also had 3 possible dates [09:35:49] https://www.cameroncounty.us/spacex/ [09:36:04] although these are shorter [09:36:13] hops were 8-8 [09:36:18] these are 9-6 [09:36:23] maybe they are getting faster [09:43:39] SN7.1 is a pop test, isn't it? [09:44:14] As in pressure test rather than a typo [09:55:03] supposedly [09:55:21] because it is an other steel version [09:57:01] all previous Starships have been made from the 301-series alloy, whereas SN7, SN7.1, and all near-term future Starships are made from 304L [09:59:06] from nasaspaceflight.com [10:00:32] Should I remove mods before upgrading 10.0 to 10.1? [10:01:09] 1.10.1? that is a patch release i doubt it does anything earth shattering [10:01:26] I mean 1.10.1 :). [10:01:47] maybe fixes some crashes. [10:02:13] but doesnt fix the fuel pumping issue [10:06:33] Action: darsie is now on 1.10.1.2939 (linuxplayer) en-us. [10:07:23] the fuel transfer issue can be fixed temporarily by mousing over the resource panel, just as before [10:07:33] caching is hard [10:36:55] Action: darsie took off with an ant from the launch pad. [10:40:36] What's the Ant's TWR ASL? [10:40:48] small [10:40:54] Just by itself? [10:41:01] Yeah [10:42:48] 0 ;) [10:43:25] 2.59 [10:43:58] In atmosphere? [10:44:04] yes [10:44:21] With an ISP of 80, I can't see that getting very far :) [10:44:31] That's true. [10:45:47] https://i.imgur.com/OvV9mhm.png [10:46:19] Used an almost empty Oscar B. Dumpling works a bit better. [10:46:55] But, it took off. [10:46:57] Nice use of the decoupler to remove the weight of the probe core. [10:47:46] :) [10:48:41] With the dumpling it flow 500 m high or so. [10:48:44] flew [10:48:54] Not bad! [10:49:34] How about the Spider? [10:50:29] Those are atmospheric engines, IIRC. Should work well. [10:50:31] Need two. [10:50:32] It's the same weight but considerably better in an atmosphere [10:50:41] Nah, that's your challenge. [10:50:53] I've used them for tiny orbital rockets. [10:51:13] See if you can use a single Spider engine to launch a Dumpling as high as possible. Offset tools :) [10:51:17] As the ant has no shroud and there's no 0.625 interstage fairing. [10:52:27] Spider's TWR is 9.14 [10:53:50] nah [10:54:11] Also has a great gimbal range. With that level of control and performance, I bet you could launch it with a probe core and still beat the Ant [10:55:16] sure [10:55:26] The ant is a vacuum engine. [10:57:31] I remember trying to make an LV-N SSTO spaceplane [10:58:01] Sounds like it didn't work. [10:58:06] Not even close [10:58:22] At seal level, that engine can't even lift half its own weight [10:58:26] sea* [10:58:30] Works with the Dawn. [10:58:36] hmm [10:58:39] (Presumably, seal level and sea level are the same) [10:58:43] no [10:58:56] that was with a juno two stage. [10:59:07] The Dawn will not work. I had a whole challenge set up to try that [10:59:26] I thought about that 'litho boost' video. [10:59:44] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/138483-ion-plane-research-challenge/ [11:00:03] Action: darsie tests the shrimp performance ... [11:00:31] Very poor [11:00:48] Gets to space. [11:01:17] Hehe. Nice [11:01:46] The sepratron has a TWR of 25. The Shrimp has 3.67 [11:02:00] (vac) [11:02:20] 167 km Ap. [11:02:36] Nice. How about the Mite? [11:02:45] dunno that [11:02:48] Also, are you using a nosecone? [11:02:55] last time i checked, 2x4 solar panels are the best wings for superlight crafts [11:02:56] sure [11:03:19] bees, wut [11:03:36] bees, with damage off, presumably? [11:03:46] they are surface mounted [11:03:49] they dont care [11:04:21] What kind of lifting properties do they have? I mean, they're not the smallest "wing" [11:04:44] very low max speed, require large AoA to generate lift [11:05:16] but they can provide you with absolutely silly low flying speeds, because they are almost massless [11:05:28] 358 km with octo2, RW, nosecone [11:05:43] fins burned off [11:06:02] Heh. The Sepratron actually has more thrust than the Mite [11:06:31] bees, Ah ok, so they won't work with the Dawn [11:06:46] Or any other low-thrust engine [11:07:04] on the other side, they should work perfectly [11:07:23] Ahh, mite, short 0.625 SRB [11:07:48] they are unusable as serious wings because drag becomes enormous really fast [11:08:00] but if you are flying on something as low thrust as dawn, that should not be a problem [11:10:18] 161 km with mite [11:11:14] Nice [11:11:36] darsie, would you be able to compare that with 2 sepratrons? [11:12:01] bees, low thrust means it can't overcome the drag. That's the main problem there [11:12:26] Even a little drag is significant for a Dawn [11:12:41] Looks like mite can fly intercontinentally. [11:12:50] The Dawn, remember, has a TWR of 0.019 [11:13:04] umm, to the next peninsula. [11:15:10] yep [11:15:45] I just realised an electric/Ion craft just might be able to get orbit now we have propellers. [11:16:28] I'm thinking that 2 or 3 Sepratrons might outperform the mite [11:16:53] Possibly 4 [11:17:12] Tuned to lower thrust, obviously [11:17:42] Say, three of them at one third thrust. I bet that will get almost as high as a Mite [11:21:19] Deddly: 2x4 solar allows much lower flying speeds, so drag is much lower too [11:21:37] it has more drag on _equal_ speed compared with normal wing [11:22:24] bees, OK that last point is interesting [11:22:48] It might be worth a try, since solar is also a beneficial power source for these crafts. But not today for me :) [11:24:40] biggest problem for me was mounting them [11:43:09] Action: darsie installed procedural fairings. [11:48:10] I haven't found a use for them, tbh [11:48:49] interstage for the ant. [11:49:02] Not that's a common situation ... [11:49:54] right, it doesn't have a shroud of its own [11:50:12] Not that that's a common situation ... [11:52:58] putting a decoupler under an ant is a common situation for my relay launchers. it looks a bit weird but I usually keep them under a fairing and don't have to look at it for very long ;) [12:05:09] :) [12:07:04] Action: darsie has drag issues with the procedural fairing. [12:12:03] fairings are for protecting the payload, not for reducing drag [12:15:06] An interstage fairing decreases drag a lot. [13:21:38] running out of EC for the reaction wheels while aerobraking at Eve is bad for your craft's health [13:31:59] Action: flayer tackles packbart [13:34:10] darsie: ah, yeah, interstage is another matter [13:38:18] Action: packbart is unmoved [14:04:27] https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Mars+under+magnifying+glass+by+httpnoitegocom_122fe9_5889073.jpg [14:08:08] Mars never hand any life on it ;P [14:08:23] I know, unpopular oppinion. [14:08:28] Is that the only bit you found unrealistic? LOL :) [14:08:31] *opinion [14:08:52] Look closely at the little planets in that picture, they are soooooo cute [14:09:13] Yes. A giant magnifying lense is far more probable ;) [14:09:30] Hehehe [14:09:34] it probably had [14:09:47] if nothing else, one planet infected the other [14:10:04] supposedly even venus wasnt this bada few hundred million years back [14:10:29] big bada boom [14:10:33] Global warming [14:10:35] may be life in Venus's clouds [14:10:43] I must object. What they thought to be carved by flowing water is now made by glaciers. And they could've been out of CO2 [14:10:44] and deep underground on Mars [14:10:56] yes there is some absorbion material of unknown compistion [14:11:10] absorbing [14:11:29] Mat2ch: there's more than carving. there's certain rock types that require liquid water [14:11:53] i heard that too. there is an idea that all those formations on mars were either done by ice or by water under ice [14:12:10] this solves the faint young sun paradox [14:12:19] are we absolutely sure that this is the case? Because that's what they said about the "rivers" as well. [14:12:22] and life in water under is is not unprecedented [14:12:55] Mat2ch: as for the rocks, at least 95% [14:13:32] anyway it may have been 3 green planets [14:13:34] (or higher. they did do mineral analysis on the rocks (curiosity?) [14:13:45] yeah [14:14:21] there are a lot of clays and similar stuff [14:14:24] they require water [14:15:55] ok, let's be clear. There is water on Mars. There's CO2 so we have oxygen and hydrogen is almost everywhere to find. [14:17:10] life on Mars, assuming there was any, may have never gotten to the microbial stage, let alone multi-cellular or even complex [14:17:33] That will in some cases produce water. But I doubt that there was enough water for an ocean and currents in it that could mix around amino acids in a way that would result in life. [14:18:45] keep in mind that they've found that earth has more water in its rocks than it does in its oceans (read in a recent posting) [14:25:27] And of course, there's a relevant xkcd https://what-if.xkcd.com/54/ [14:31:08] heh opus. open source. free. wireshark cant touch it [14:33:23] it seems my addition works and now the testing tool supports opus, aside from alaw and ulaw. lower frequencies go through. higher dont. probably the synthetic sine wave in it is distorted for the testing tool so it doesnt recognize it anymore [14:33:31] so i just wanted to listen in [14:33:57] but of course i cant even save it, because opus [14:35:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:38:13] and i didnt even get to transcoding which would be one of the main functionalities [14:38:39] there is a day tomorrow too [14:52:36] that's an odd-looking yet functional SRB-only orbit hopper https://imgur.com/a/kYFM7s1 [14:53:00] hehe [15:06:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXgLyCYuYA4&t=46s Weeeeeeeee [15:06:04] YouTube - SAOCOM 1B | Launch and Landing [15:06:34] did we use to have sound on these? [15:08:51] Nope [15:09:52] The turbopumps are singing [15:12:00] it is not uncut [15:12:07] so cant use it on flat earthers :) [15:14:21] in less than 1.5 day there can be an astra rocket launch [15:14:31] probably not, based on their track record [15:14:40] somehow that first launch seems to be really hard [15:15:33] the uncut version would be around 10 minutes. They could just upload it and millions of people would watch it nonetheless [15:15:51] yes 120 minutes is not even long [15:15:56] 10 [15:15:59] not 120 :) [15:19:34] but the clip i am waiting for is the mars landing video [15:19:51] supposedly down and up angled vameras and sound [15:37:50] Are there flat Kerbin mods? [15:38:01] dont think so. but one guy did it [15:42:07] it was very glitchy :) [15:42:31] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neI3UB8Lzhc [15:42:31] YouTube - Kerbal Space Program but Kerbin is Flat [16:04:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:12:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:37:58] packbart: :) [19:13:39] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:17:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:18:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:25:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:42:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net