[00:03:35] do you have radiators to dissipate the heat from the drill(s)? [00:03:56] you need to cool them down so they operate at an optimal temperature [00:06:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:30:32] so, i checked ckan and i have a dozen mods that are not updated for 1.4.5, and 4 mods that aren't even tagged as 1.4.0 compatible [00:31:09] most notably FAR [00:35:17] also, there's a dude called "linuxgurugamer" that is responsible for like half the mods, and almost none of them have a description longer than the title [00:39:26] yeah LGG maintains like a million mods [00:39:50] his repos are all on GitHub [01:24:32] i'm assuming he didn't actually write them, but picked up some abandoned ones [01:42:52] exactly [01:43:01] he has some originals as well, of course [01:52:58] so what's the status of FAR? it's listed as not compatible, but does it work? [02:04:41] I haven't tried it in 1.4 yet [04:56:24] Elon's twitter got compromised https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251822595723362306/477701708781191188/unknown.png [04:56:40] He's probably going to do it. [04:57:46] or he is just doing his usual foolish tweets again [04:59:09] as hijackings go, its not the most exciting one to happen today/yesterday. you hear about seattle? [05:02:49] no [05:06:19] some nutjob stole a plane from the airport and crashed it [05:06:38] https://heavy.com/news/2018/08/plane-hijacked-stolen-audio-seatac-seattle/ [05:11:06] not so high jack :) [05:12:17] Any injuries? [05:12:54] ISS UTL: 31% [05:16:25] just the "pilot" afaik [06:53:51] coverage starts in 7 minute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0 [06:53:52] YouTube - NASA Live: Official Stream of NASA TV [06:55:40] thanks [07:05:04] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v Zarthus ' by ipo.esper.net [07:06:12] seems there is a delay [07:17:39] major one or just minutes? [07:17:50] around 15 minutes [07:18:11] 20 [07:19:15] man I love issac arthur [07:19:33] has good videos but i could get to like them [07:19:39] same way with veritasium [07:20:04] its one of 2 channels I am a pateon supporter of [07:20:20] *could not [07:20:29] why? [07:20:33] dont know [07:21:19] one of reasons I love that channel is its 100% captioned [07:21:29] ah that might be a huge factor for you [07:21:38] for that channel? not really [07:21:44] I love the topics being talked [07:37:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:43:17] 10 minutes [07:47:55] what is no go, vme status [07:48:14] they are not ready [07:50:49] :/ [07:51:04] "a condition" [07:51:11] Glad they are specific [07:58:59] well not being ready is a condition ;) [08:00:00] "The teams continue to work through the issues" [08:00:15] C'mon man. No transparency at all? [08:00:19] more updates? [08:00:22] like this? [08:00:42] Yeah, valuable update. We learned a lot there. [08:00:48] hehe [08:01:09] Glad they could tell us all about the clock that's not even on-screen [08:01:49] as i said, spaces is a lot better at this. they have lot of cameras, infos, in fact they could pass as an entertainment company just with the launches [08:02:20] They are more interesting, I agree with that [08:06:18] Now he's reading generalised info. Nice [08:22:27] Go for launch! [08:22:33] finally [08:22:49] and we have a clock [08:23:01] still fix [08:23:05] yay [08:23:20] lol its same rocket type as that funny meme pic I saw [08:23:35] ... what is that rocket mission anyway [08:23:44] those white tops, are they the basis of the ksp part? [08:24:17] delta iv heavy with parker solar probe [08:24:27] T - 4 m [08:24:45] so, not mars eh lol [08:24:57] it is a mission 60 years in the making [08:25:01] closest to the sun ever [08:25:04] still interesting [08:25:13] mars already has several rovers and orbiters [08:25:20] uranis and neptune had none [08:25:42] unfortunately even in the best case only 1 of the two will get one [08:26:19] 2 minutes until the fireball [08:26:20] Althego: yeah mars comment was related to that silly meme [08:26:30] link? [08:27:00] if there are intelligent beings on super earths they may never know spaceflight. how sad [08:27:07] its simple: Mars: I'm wet. NASA: I'm coming! [08:27:13] lol [08:27:15] DANGIT [08:27:19] why [08:27:29] somewhat not appropriate for this channel [08:27:34] indeed [08:27:44] thankfully VERY PG words [08:27:47] eh [08:27:50] stopped again [08:28:26] 4 minutes again [08:28:33] they are running out of time [08:28:37] 65 minutes launch windo [08:28:49] Scrubbed! [08:31:59] nuuuuu [08:31:59] awww [08:31:59] see you tomorrow the same space time? [08:31:59] what happened? [08:31:59] same time next day, not same space sorry [08:31:59] bleergh [08:31:59] but it is time to space, so space tiem [08:31:59] so, meet at same spot, which would be in space by that time? ;) [08:31:59] why is that flame burning in the lower left corner? [08:31:59] burnoff of excess? or reason for scub? [08:31:59] that was burning there all the time [08:31:59] oh didnt notice till you pointed it out [08:32:12] and as mentioned they intentionally fill up the space around the rocket with hydrogen, so the flame doesnt make any sense [08:32:43] flame color dunno [08:32:55] is that hyrogen burning? [08:33:15] hydrogen flame should be colorless, but somehow it is always reddish [08:33:23] orrather orange [08:34:03] cameras can see bit more of IR, also I think its due to other stuff being in burning space, like oxygen and nirogen etc [08:34:21] did they explain why yet? [08:34:27] they ran out of time [08:34:29] 65 minutes [08:34:40] dang [08:34:43] but strange because we passed 1 hour now [08:39:37] i wonder if children playing with ksp today, when they grow up and some of them become rocket scientists, will there be kerbal themed rocket names in the future? [08:39:52] ... and hopefully not KSP-style rockets... [08:39:55] what an incoherent sentence [08:40:07] what do you mean it shouldnt explode? :) [08:40:21] lol [08:40:48] honestly KSP taught me about how orbit works than anything else. [08:40:54] same [08:40:56] theres even xkcd joke about it [08:41:00] yes it taught me a lot of things [08:41:07] intuitive understanding of orbits [08:41:08] https://xkcd.com/1356/ [08:41:09] https://xkcd.com/1356/ [08:41:15] I win [08:41:25] :P [08:41:26] lol [08:44:52] i wanted to try out that wind tunnel mod [08:44:52] looks like they got tired of rocket [08:44:58] showing sun then earth [08:45:29] man I wish auto captions work on live [08:45:37] you dont want to watch the rocket for 24 hours [08:45:49] yea [08:46:53] slightly less useful lightning trick lol https://xkcd.com/2027/ [08:47:12] yes i liked this [08:47:23] I read some comice only once a while [08:47:31] now catching up on xkcd [08:47:45] dont forget to read the alt text [08:47:54] always [08:48:57] y axis one lol so funny [08:55:54] Oh you guys heard of Kate Dopingscandal [08:56:00] man I love xkcd [10:21:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:22:43] Did they launch? [10:32:27] Deddly: sadly no [10:32:30] delayed till sunday [10:33:29] oh good, I went to bed anyways [10:39:47] ypu went to bed at 9? [10:40:20] idk, I watched a movie too [10:41:01] soon 4 here [10:42:02] the funniest thing about xkcd [10:42:07] i read it for about a year [10:42:14] before i learned about the alt text [10:42:28] i read through years before i did :) [10:42:52] years also [10:42:57] before I knew about alt text [10:43:22] I guess I discovered alt text hmm 2 to 3 years ago? bit vague sorry [10:44:30] i think i started reading around the 300s, and discovered alt text around the 600s but i'm not sure anymore [10:50:34] Thanks Rolf. Did they ever say what the issue was? [10:50:53] they might have. live videos dont get captions [10:51:11] they had two delays nd they ran out of time [10:53:29] Huh [10:53:33] Oh well [10:54:04] 65 minutes is quite tight [10:54:25] didnt they setup it so rocket is readu to go say few minutes before even start of window? [10:54:35] or is there such thing as being readu too long? [10:55:20] in case of cryogenics, probably [10:56:09] I just thought up, why not blast rocket with very dry air to keep it from icing up? [10:56:33] but i think it was either alignment (earth rotated) or administrative (closed airspace) [10:57:18] "earth unexpectedly rotated" is a cool abort reason for a space agency :p [11:11:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:20:09] so landing a space plane on duna is much more difficult than i thought [11:20:21] it is really difficult since the atmo change [11:20:28] even on the lowlands [11:20:50] i found 2 ways to make it work: instant slow down just above the ground by parachutes [11:21:04] then hop down on the ground without lift [11:21:18] or use some rockets to generate lift while you slow down [11:21:29] either heavy rcs or rotated engines [11:21:55] best is to combine the two, have feew seconds of propulsion and the chutes [11:22:17] vernor engine? [11:22:24] yes [11:22:31] or normal engine [11:22:32] s [11:23:09] my only weapon is nerva :P this isn't working, stall speed ~120m/s [11:23:14] i think there is a way [11:23:14] haha [11:23:17] but can't be sure [11:23:22] you could try to land on your tail [11:23:32] but with a plane that is quite hard [11:23:45] hmmmm. i'll try that [11:23:52] i can do that on the mun, but never tried that on duna [11:24:11] best if the engine sticks out, because it has 12 m/s tolerance [11:24:33] is that easier or harder with atmosphere? [11:24:38] harder [11:24:52] because the flyable plane has the usual com-col alignment [11:24:58] so it doesnt want to turn 90 deg [11:24:58] Much harder [11:25:14] ^ [11:25:29] you can set it up a barely stable nimble plane [11:25:38] and in the thin atmosphere it might work [11:26:02] But you still have to wrestle against all the control surfaces [11:26:32] this was my last plane on duna https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHaCtddY_X0 [11:26:32] YouTube - To Duna an back without oxidizer by SSTO in KSP 1.3.0 [11:26:34] Transitioning from level flight to vertical is not easy [11:26:48] hey i found a good landing spot. got four bounces and down to 60m/s then broke everything [11:27:02] you could just pull up until it flies upwards, then wait until gravity stops then hover down gently [11:30:36] Althego: nice plane and great landing [11:30:43] haha [11:30:48] i wish [11:30:59] usually i say a mission is correct if you can easily do the landing [11:31:02] this was not the case [11:31:37] o/ Deddly [11:31:37] referring to the landing on Duna [11:31:45] so as in the moon landing. it was hard, but they practiced and planned enough so it was doable [11:31:49] Nice to see you in a non-busy state :D [11:32:03] APlayer, hey hey [11:32:27] Kinda busy really but stealing a few mins :) [11:33:33] Heh [11:34:07] stealing time. a good sci-fi short :) [11:35:42] "Hey! Don't you DARE STEAL MY TIME!" [11:36:12] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTO0ogdNMdY [11:36:12] YouTube - Stealing Time | SciFi Time Travel Short Film [11:37:55] Althego, about landing on the tail by heading up and then back down on the rear engine, yes that would be the way to go, but it isn't easy anyway, because you gain a lot of altitude and have to reverse your plane without going too far, and in reverse, control surfaces do the exact opposite of what you want them to do, [11:38:40] yes sas reverses in reverse and destabilizes your craft [11:38:54] i had more than one landing on eve without sas because of this :) [11:39:14] https://i.imgur.com/8qD1EH4.gifv [11:41:42] you can invert control surfaces? [11:41:55] only deployment [11:42:07] but your direction of flight inverts them in effect [11:42:25] ? [11:42:46] Althego: What wizardry is that? [11:43:03] Or is it larger than it looks like? [11:43:31] Smaller* than it looks like [11:43:31] it is as it is written and what it looks like. an open pit mining excavator [11:44:02] some of them dont have tracks but some flat surfaces which they use as a base and can walk around slowly [11:46:21] for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkHeRohfAjc [11:46:21] YouTube - The Largest Walking Dragline Excavator in The World - Marion 8050 Dragline [11:51:31] this short film is a bit weird... he travels 5 minutes in time, but in that time, the earth rotation alone would have taken him like 30km from his origin point, yet he is still "in the neighbourhood" [12:00:14] Althego, couldn't flip the plane around [12:00:31] as we said, it is hard [12:01:00] never argued that, just told you it didn't work because i said i'd try :P [12:01:21] you could try to use counterweights for this :) [12:01:31] but then why not add fuel as counterweight :) [12:03:30] well, i suppose if you're willing to make alterations to the plane, then you should probably rework it to avoid that kind of landing instead :p [12:04:49] obviously [12:05:08] still, landing with a plane on duna is about as hard as landing on tylo [12:27:09] ok i landed [12:28:31] and i only spent 200 fuel landing. would have been probably cheaper to just retroburn to stop [13:08:51] yeah so ran out of fuel. had 3.7k dV at 70km LKO for the whole trip [13:08:54] dunno what i did wrong [13:10:00] weather is nice today so I will take the vg33 to a ride again [13:10:09] tweak the controls a bit [13:10:11] 1100 to duna, at least 200 to land. 2000 to come up, around 700 to comeb ack [13:10:22] I actually want it to be less reactive [13:11:46] someone said 3000 is possible but i guess that's no lithobraking and all parachutes [13:11:52] but hey, i added parachutes [13:12:07] all parchutes needs more mass than a bit of fuel [13:12:10] use the m700 scanner for lithobraking [13:12:23] you can land with a single parachute and a weak engine in combo [13:15:24] it's a space plane, i can't turn it around. my nerva does help me though because it's slanted and points a little downwards [13:16:33] i'll try again. i added some small wheels in the back to help bouncy [13:16:35] unbounce [13:17:39] for rough landings i go with the widely spaced triangle wheel position. so back wheels as far back as possible as wide as possible. possibly the whole plane is around a triangle with the wheels at the corners [13:17:41] and about 1000 more fuel but now i just don't know if i can make it into kerbin orbit :P we'll see! [13:17:52] yeah, moved the wheels quite a bit apart [13:18:02] and front wheel waaaaay front [13:19:23] should i lower my braking force as well? [13:19:49] not really [13:20:30] only if the wants to somersault [13:26:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WffR6HrEqTA [13:26:41] YouTube - FloWave Exhibition Video 2014 [13:38:33] yass made it into orbit with larger tanks. but now i can't remember how much fuel i had last time so it's possible i just lowered my dV [13:38:45] hehe [13:41:56] climbing 30t orbit with a rapier and nerva is...weird. took half a kerbin to gain the speed [13:43:42] well, 200 more dV. now at 4.1k [13:44:01] that might make it [13:44:19] i have parachutes this time [13:44:31] alternatively you could take the small isru [13:44:38] and less fuel [14:00:16] I was searching for a logo style for the company I want to make and this is exactly the style I want http://www.mach34.fr/news/potez58/logopotez3.jpg [14:00:21] because I want to make old planes [14:00:47] and kinda like this http://www.petroliana.net/_LowRes/Large/L_A.C.%20Enamel%20signs%20(332).jpg [14:01:16] why is that logo an unhealthy looking swan? [14:01:33] idk [14:01:40] i mean, that neck shape is not good ;) [14:01:57] eh idk, swans can usually do that [14:02:09] like when they go fluff up their tail feathers [14:02:48] yeah, when landed, but while flying? [14:03:00] or in case of swan... watered :p [14:03:10] swans can do whatever they want [14:03:15] they don't really care what we think [14:11:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:17:30] day 2 of flight testing the vg33 [14:17:42] I will tweak the controls a bit and maybe try some harder maneuvers [14:21:33] Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Am-n5LnQ8 [14:21:33] YouTube - Martin Hawaii Mars - Flight to Oshkosh [14:49:15] Hi [14:57:26] How many people use the channel? [15:19:26] many people [15:19:33] Althego: https://imgur.com/miohXsG [15:19:33] https://i.imgur.com/miohXsG.png [15:21:37] and there's the nerva: https://imgur.com/5izfarZ [15:21:37] https://i.imgur.com/5izfarZ.png [15:21:49] but it can indeed complete a round trip to duna and back [15:22:13] geh... ok so... [15:22:25] 8 kerbals want orbital trip.. 2 needs rescue.. [15:22:50] one rescue is one star, the other is 3... does the 3 stars mean kerbal way out in high orbit or something? [15:23:09] probably. you can check that from the tracking station, though [15:23:33] you'll have to make note of the specs of the mission and then try and understand which of the orbits is the rescue one [15:24:04] don't think tracking shows you where the kerbal is till you take the rescue contract.. [15:24:19] it should [15:25:31] let me test something [15:28:08] you're right though, i can't find that anymore. pretty sure i've been able to see some things about the missions i've been given [15:28:14] mm.. I know with satellites, shows you proposed orbits... rescue contracts dont' show anything till you accept them [15:29:29] lol... ok so... [15:30:01] I accepted the missions.. turns out the ships are pretty close to each other in orbit [15:32:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:35:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:44:08] sigh... really wish mk1 crew cabin can be radial attached [15:45:04] byt he power of gr... cubic octagonal strut [15:45:27] that is the glue that makes impossible possible [15:47:51] which I do a lot of... [15:48:12] trouble is.. cabin still ends up using a node on the end.. [15:48:32] so.. another strut on the end.. I guess [15:49:23] rock tumbling and polishing. didnt know this was a thing. but turns unremarkable ordinary rocks to shiny colored stones [15:51:37] heh.. decorative stones.. seen them sometimes in shops, words etched on one side of some fairly flat ones. [15:56:22] don't rescue missions show up in the tracking station before you accept them? [15:56:31] yes [15:56:34] as most missions do [15:56:58] in order for you to see if you want to accept them or not [15:57:26] don't show for me.. unless I"m missing something [15:57:52] would be nice to have a quick access button in the mission list, to go to tracking station [15:57:54] can be a mod. or looking at the wrong body [15:57:54] and back [15:58:30] maybe you disabled showing untracked objects? [15:58:43] or unknown objects [15:59:22] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/477868566557753344/DSC_9429.MOV.Image_fixe002.png [16:02:07] fully upgraded tracking station? [16:02:46] arg.. also stupid router/isp.. something's been buggy here since a week ago now. Getting annoying [16:03:59] fully upgraded station is only needed for asteroids [16:04:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/477869840477192197/DSC_9429.MOV.Image_fixe005.png [16:06:23] just checked the wiki... its only after accepting a rescue contract will it spawn the unfortunate kerbal in place... [16:06:30] Ah, no flying props today? ;) [16:08:41] isnt that pic from yesterday? [16:09:30] Fluburtur nice.. got to test fly it.. how's it preform? [16:09:41] very nice [16:09:47] it is very docile and kinda slow [16:11:05] slow is good... you don't want it reacting too fast on you [16:11:40] slow flying or slow controls? [16:12:08] slow flying [16:12:15] the controls can be very reactivre [16:12:25] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/477871827142574092/historical_photo.png [16:12:29] oh, how much does it weight? [16:12:33] 1.2kg [16:13:26] well it is a big profile.. [16:13:43] everything got smoothed out I hope..? [16:13:59] yeah [16:14:51] but I need to make a new nose section [16:14:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/477872528069754910/DSC_9429.MOV.Image_fixe006.png [16:15:01] ole one is kinda broke and not very good [16:15:07] I know some people like the speed. I'm like 'but it goes out there so fast, you have to keep pulling it in all the time.. [16:15:31] well it looks like it could go fast [16:15:39] but it would need more power and thinner wings [16:15:48] I made the wings really thick for the scale look [16:16:40] I kind of like hte scale look.. speed [16:17:29] but ya.. thin wings, make them weaker unless you reinforce them. Faster you go, don't need as much lift from the wings. But slower tends to suffer unless you flaps it [16:17:52] I kinda want to retrofit flaps in this one [16:18:40] can get complicated... more for helping to land or ? [16:18:56] scale looks and flying slow [16:19:29] well you said it already flies slow... but is that more a feeling or ? [16:19:55] nah it is one of my slowest airplanes [16:20:04] at least it looks like it should fly faster [16:20:16] but that's because it has a tribalde prop, more torque but less speed [16:20:53] try different pitch? [16:21:19] it is a 10x6" prop, already quite pitchy [16:21:29] just be careful.. dramatic speed change can throw your momentum off.. used to fast, then switching to slow.. visa versa [16:21:39] I guess I could fit a more powerful engine but it would lose efficiency then and not gain much [16:22:09] the current power setup is as efficient as can be so far so I would need to change both prop and motor to get it faster [16:22:25] guess depends on style/setup you want. [16:22:53] yeah [16:23:08] I will see how well the fiberglass ones do with the current setup [16:24:55] at last you in open field.. not on flight line.. I know depending on where you are, some limits. Have to pass tests to prove you fly ok [16:25:01] last-least [16:25:23] well, the prototype pretty much passes the test exept for speed [16:25:33] I did a few rolls earlier and they were very good [16:25:37] using ailerons and rudder [16:25:43] didn't attempt a loop however [16:25:49] and it stalls very gently [16:26:00] whats it based off again? [16:26:12] arsenal vg33 [16:27:33] small fench fighter... suppose to fast, not much range.. [16:28:02] yeah it was supposed to bring french fighters back to the level [16:28:13] what did you coat your's with? [16:28:19] nothing [16:28:25] some tap on the wings and fuselage at most [16:28:30] so what's limiting the speed then? propeller shape? propeller rotation speed? [16:28:33] the fuselage is 3d printed [16:28:39] air resistance? [16:28:48] yeah propeller type and speed [16:29:12] overall surface texture... surface drag [16:29:24] then its profile drag [16:29:25] it rotates at like 7k rpm at most [16:29:39]