[00:01:56] idiotsanssavant, what KSP version are you on? [00:02:11] Because it sounds like you have a version mismatch going on [00:05:07] did a clean install so 1.4 [00:06:09] And given that there is no constellation release for 1.4... that would be your problem [00:06:28] The last one I have is the last 1.3.x release as constellation. [00:07:19] well that would explain that wouldnt it [00:07:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:07:27] Yep. [00:07:31] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:08:01] Sorting out a bug in the at the moment, but you will want 1.4 versions. [00:08:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:09:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:10:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:32:47] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:32:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:32:48] transitbiker: I thought you were never coming back because we are a bunch of creeps spying on your 1s and 0s? [00:33:32] hi RoverDude, congrats on 1.4 release. Looking forward to the DLC too. [00:46:14] TheKosmonaut, thanks :) [00:46:42] will there be any other dlc? [00:46:48] also rate this rocket https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/422024219094810634/20180310143312_1.jpg [00:54:59] hi everyone. I'm looking for a mod or something to export some data during a flight. I want to draw graph and compare my rocket [00:55:37] Do u know something like that ? [00:55:50] Houston/Telemachus used to be good for that. [00:55:54] IDK if it's maintained. [00:56:39] Oh man, Telemachus. [00:56:49] thanks [01:01:09] just reinstalled the latest KIS/KAS from curse forge and double checking as i went and the ports and struts are taking up one spot in the container and not allowing multiples [01:02:21] RoverDude: I meant to ask, there was mention before of the Mobile Launchpad, being inspired by the KSC Crawling pad for STS. Is that the pad model used for launches set by the mission creator outside of KSC? [01:02:34] Someone was asking about that before [01:03:12] I said I'm pretty sure that the pad used when you have a launch outside of KSC by the mission creator is the pad mentioned in a previous weekly [01:04:40] is there any french speaker here ? / Il y a des français ici ? [01:17:00] Mais non. [02:42:09] http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/11/03/the-witching-hour/ [02:58:23] gah, I cannot get tourists over a specific location. [02:59:29] Orbital or atmospheric? [03:01:24] suborbital. [03:01:36] I try to burn north or south to adjust the trajectory, but it never seems to end up right on. [03:02:27] *burn north or south while in space, after launching to an "almost orbit" with the right inclination. [03:05:22] oh well, I'll keep doing orbit. [05:36:17] greatest morning to you Althego the mentor! [05:40:24] lol [05:40:55] it's still midnight here [05:41:18] 00:40 really [05:41:25] gonna be 2:00 in a few minutes [05:41:28] I hate DST [05:41:41] dst is stupid [05:41:52] ah wait, it is coming up again [05:42:18] Florida voted to stay DST all year long. [05:42:29] Which is MUCH better than changign clocks [05:42:32] i would rather stay out of it [05:43:04] but this is gonna cause more headaches to those who write time/date libraries [05:43:19] only masichists do that [05:50:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:04:26] changing clocks is a bitch [06:04:58] one really understands the insanity when you get a kid and it totally fucks up her sleeping rhythm when baby [06:05:02] Please watch your language in this channel; we follow forum guidelines here. [06:05:14] ah sorry [06:05:20] next offense may get you kicked [06:05:45] It's hard to "hear the offense" when you're not a native speaker [06:06:22] yes i have trouble with this too [06:06:32] why is crap acceptable and s... not? [06:07:08] i tried to get some kind of description out of them as to what is not ok, but didnt get an explicit list [06:07:29] just some vague guidelines which dont help because i dont know what they mean [06:15:58] ok so how much delta v did I need to establish orbit on kerbal [06:16:02] installed that KER [06:30:14] 3400 on averag [06:30:20] can be mroe or less [06:30:31] so if you have high drag, it can be 3700 [06:30:34] how to select multiple items on the staging list and how to train pilots [06:30:46] or you can go under 3000 with aerodynamic and high twr rockets [06:31:01] you cant select multiple items :) [06:31:11] with the exception of symmetry [06:31:20] or rather with control [06:31:43] you can use that do break symmetry and move things in a diffferent stage for asparagus [06:32:21] pilots, as any kerbals are trained from missions [06:32:34] so orbit around kerbin, 1 star [06:32:47] planting a flag on the mun and coming back will get you almost 2 [06:33:22] after this planting flag on minmus, then leaving kerbin soi and coming back will get you 3 stars [06:33:34] without leaving kerbin soi you can get up to 2 stars [06:37:07] hmm k [06:37:26] is there a way of automating any actions, like deploying parachutes [06:37:28] non-mod [06:37:44] deploying parachutes you can sort of trick them [06:37:55] i never use that, because it seems to be scary [06:38:17] you have to play with the bars in their settings [06:38:40] there is one for full deployment, that is where they completely open [06:38:46] and there is one for minimum pressure [06:38:53] now the firts one is radar altitude (from the ground) [06:39:06] the other one is pressure, so indirectly above sea level [06:39:42] and if you increase the pressure, you can set it up so, that it half deploys after you passed reentry heating and slowed down [06:39:56] so it will not burn or tear [06:40:24] so it is possible to have say sample return without a probe core with such a setup, as it will open parachute automatically [06:40:58] this is somewhat annoying to set up, so i never use it [06:41:22] there is the smart parts mod for somewhat smart parts [06:41:36] and of course there is kos for full scripting [06:45:18] so basically whenever I launch for some easy science around kerbin I should have a new pilot? [06:45:35] i would use probe cores for most missions [06:46:04] and if not, then take a scientist, because of the rsetting experimetns ability [06:46:14] a probe core and a scientist together makes a pilot [06:46:21] since the probe core has sas [06:46:31] and the scientist keeps piloting even when loss of signal [06:46:57] so much to learn [06:47:27] from your early experiments, the science bay gives the most, so it is a waste not to take it to the mun [06:47:43] the only problem with it is its size [06:48:16] the balance with that omg [06:48:36] the rocket from yesterday was named Simplest Lander for a reason :D [06:50:17] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/932681397172975930/629DC8AFB925E959BE853CEFDD0F5083BE8FF634/ [06:50:35] how do I get the fuel from up to the tank below the adapter [06:54:17] you dont [06:54:22] there is a heatshield in the middle [06:54:39] if I take that of does it go through? [06:54:40] and it clearly says no fuel crossfeed [06:55:02] you can see that text in orange in the description of parts that do that [06:55:16] you can bypass it with a pipe if you have them already [06:55:49] the yellow line goes all wonky [06:56:00] but hmm actually no one forces me to use the adapter [06:56:20] but note that the pipe doesnt really want to go past the heatshield, you need some other part sticking out so that it goes next to the heatshield [06:56:34] i would just put the heatshield above the tank [06:56:41] tanks are not much of value anyway [06:58:08] ok now this thing has a lot of delta v final stage [06:58:27] and the cost of a munrocket [07:00:20] here is my mun lander in my current career http://www.warpology.com/k/mun.png [07:00:23] the first one [07:00:35] advanced, because i waited until i got the bigger tanks and engines [07:00:45] that is still 1.3.1 [07:02:09] one thing to do in early mun mission, even if you dont have delta v to land (that is what my real first mun mission is usually) [07:02:14] is to have a polar orbit [07:02:20] and collect all 17 biomes eva reports [07:02:32] in space just above [07:02:49] this did that. then landed, and came back [07:05:34] sweet [07:06:12] with my new skills maybe that'll be in my next career [07:12:17] you can prgress faster if you have multiple missions in parallel, since most oif the mission time is travelling [07:15:41] do the trajectories take atmosphere resistance into account? [07:17:07] no [07:17:19] in fact you can pass through atmospheres if the vessel is not focused [07:17:37] physics is only running for the active vessels and in a bubble of few kms around it [07:19:16] this can be done since in ksp there is no multiple body gravity simulation, and in a single gravity center and an almost massless object compared to that the solutions are analytical, so they can be precomputed. those are the trajectories the game shows [07:19:30] and keeps them when physics is not running [07:25:36] hmm crashed again [07:25:41] common for anyone else? [07:28:16] it happens sometimes [07:28:23] but was not really an issue in 1.3.1 [07:28:37] 1.4 may be different but i didnt have time to play for a week so i dont know [07:28:39] "common" I meant maybe once a day [07:29:51] I have 856k money, should I use 450k for the lvl 2 research? [07:31:11] doesnt that give you surface samples? [07:31:23] also it will make higher science nodes available [07:31:38] surface samples also give you a lot of science [07:31:55] if you go to minmus, there is a low gravity, so you can make a biome hopper and collect all science from all biomes [07:33:05] While more feasible than Mun, don't underestimate Minmus. [07:33:57] it is harder to get to minmus [07:33:58] a bit [07:34:05] but otherwise it is a rich target [07:34:11] a gold mine for science [07:34:28] and needs less delta v [07:34:29] oh, sure, but biome hopping Minmus still costs a fair bit of ”V [07:34:34] because landing is easier [07:34:46] (nowhere near as much as Mun, though) [07:35:45] when you need the tech, getting a biome hopper to Minmus can be a tad challenging (more in part count and mass constraints (VAB/Pad limits)) [07:38:37] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0FZIwabctw [07:38:37] YouTube - Falcon Heavy & Starman [07:39:41] hehe finally we see how the core crashed [07:42:27] why didnt they put scene where elon runs outside and watches it going up with a smile [07:47:41] also, wrong Bowie song. [07:49:43] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/932681397173150478/A455F50F3FEC021D6D4B4A8CED72D02DD69468ED/ [07:49:48] what should be my priority here [07:49:54] yes they changed to this after a while [08:03:08] Hello! [08:03:47] what happened to the bot greeting [08:10:26] Tere hommikust BadRocketsCO [08:11:33] Yo Supernovy [08:11:37] What´s up? [08:11:52] not much, how about you? [08:19:55] Supernovy: just put this album together: https://imgur.com/a/xizfP [08:21:15] Pretty neat, I like doing things like that in stock. Much easier with sepratrons than the normal SRBs. [08:24:03] Ah, nice! [08:31:51] wait wait wait [08:31:57] the upcoming expansion is paid? [08:32:01] I'll see if I can't find an old picture of it. [08:32:07] seriously, didnt they say when they first created the game they wouldnt do this? [08:32:17] probably not [08:32:43] because it was always stated that there was a date, and people who bought the game before that will always get all the expansions for free [08:32:49] You weren't around for the whole DLC debacle, Apexseals? [08:32:59] nope [08:33:52] yep [08:33:54] "So given that this was a point of confusion, and that we believe that no matter what, a promise is a promise, we are including Expansions in what you can expect to get for free if you have already bought the game" [08:34:01] this was made 4 years ago [08:34:38] all purchases up until april 2013 [08:36:08] Ah, it wasn't purely stock https://i.imgur.com/Dwhgr3C.png?1 [08:36:42] well its a good thing i bought the game back in uh... [08:36:49] i think it was version .08 [08:37:23] It might be difficult to tell but there's seps clipped into the octagonal octagonal strut. [08:37:30] or .8, i forget which [09:37:25] Althego, is this the movie you were talking about https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/Apollo_13?id=z-gvJOmgeFU [09:40:08] is Mechjeb quality of life improvements or for people who wonder why parachutes don't work in Mun? [09:43:16] Probably bork enough to require skill to use. [09:44:05] what movie [09:46:25] Apollo 13, you referred to Apollo-movie several times yesterday [09:48:19] no, mpt really. i think i referred to apollo missions [09:48:42] oh [09:49:23] also there is really good education materials from that era on how the reentry works or how to do a rendezvous [09:50:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOnKHX1p8s4 [09:50:30] YouTube - Project Apollo: "Lunar Orbit Rendezvous" 1968 NASA Mission Planning and Analysis Division [09:51:03] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOiVKUI07G0 [09:51:03] YouTube - Apollo Atmospheric Entry Phase pt2-2 1968 NASA color 11min [09:51:12] oh wait this is 2 part [09:51:16] these are so good [09:51:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-6VQsVoc1I [09:51:59] YouTube - Apollo Atmospheric Entry Phase pt1-2 1968 NASA color 14min [09:52:28] and you can see that they are in retrograde orbit in all of these [09:52:37] because the free return trajectory has to be [09:53:09] and that start to teach you about gravity assists [09:53:58] so is retrograde "against the rotation" [09:54:07] yes [10:00:06] i havent seen this yet. they had analog simulators for reentry [10:00:08] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix5SzrPdS7U [10:00:08] YouTube - Project Apollo Reentry Simulation ~ 1965 NASA; How Atmospheric Re-entry Was Simulated in the 1960s [10:20:26] wow. That's so crazy [10:20:32] and today we can do this on a smartphone [10:24:42] can we run apollo onboard software on a toaster yet? [10:24:51] on some of them [10:25:05] It's so amazing they did that stuff in the 60's [10:25:13] with less code lines than an average indie game [10:29:39] I am pretty sure any smartwatch can [10:29:56] a Nintendo DS probably could [10:32:30] I halfway suspect the original NES console could [10:39:42] specialized hardware VS specialized hardware (hard to say) [10:44:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:53:45] if my contract says build a new unmanned probe blah blah, can I use an old rocket? [10:53:59] or do I need to start from scratch [10:56:13] I blive its just launch, so you should be able to use a pre done design [11:00:57] seems so [11:01:10] kuzetsa: Now I wanna see someone make a custom Apollo computer ROM and put it in an NES cart. . [11:03:19] nod [11:03:34] homebrew NES stuff exists [11:04:58] I don't even dabble, I just know of it [11:11:45] why can't I handle an unmanned rocket o_O [11:11:50] I do have SAS in it [11:11:56] but can't keep it in control [11:13:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:20:23] guys [11:20:42] I succesfully launched to orbit despite an accidental sommersault during ascension [11:20:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:20:58] beat that SpaceX [11:21:19] do that on eve [11:23:30] inline reaction wheel and RCS, you don't need both? [11:23:46] you need neither in ksp :) [11:24:24] are the RCS only there to look cool [11:24:28] rcs is good for docking [11:24:41] or if you want bigger forces [11:26:11] have you watched the Expanse series? I really like when scifi has RCS and other authentic stuff [11:26:18] BSG had those too I think [11:26:29] i read the books (except the last) [11:34:57] can I adjust orbits with RCS? [11:35:06] yes [11:35:12] just not very efficiently [11:35:53] technically any lateral movement is adjust an orbit [11:37:34] alright I completed this satellite contract, what now? Just go to space center and it stays there? [11:39:44] yes [11:39:53] you may get follow up contracts later [11:39:56] to reposition it [11:40:03] which is essentially free money [11:40:10] i repurpose them to comm sats [11:40:16] or you can deorbit them [11:40:31] I could do with a comms tutorial [11:40:57] now everyone wants a satellite :D [11:41:18] can I build like a carrier that launches satellites [11:41:28] I sometimes wait to get several sat contracts and then make one very efficient sat and do all those contracts with a single sat ;) [11:41:51] also I tend to land that sat and get even more money ;P [11:42:09] are you saying you can use the same one once the contract is completed and they don't cate? [11:42:11] care [11:42:33] you have to first accept the contracts, because they want you to create a new satellite [11:42:59] then you can launch a single satellite and complete them all [11:43:18] oh ye [11:43:27] but usually they need plane changes and that require lots of fuel, so you better go with a xenon thruster and build very lightweight [11:43:49] k, the one I just put there was practically left with RCS [11:44:07] but how about that carrier [11:50:55] is there an ingame way to know what the actual zones on a planet are [11:52:06] Hmm. [11:52:16] My 2-tourist launch vehicle failed to be fully reusable. [11:52:33] zones? [11:52:48] you mean the ground stations? [11:52:52] Reason? The first stage gets itself to about 1.6 kps (with boosters), and then the parachutes burn off when it enters with negative peri. Suggestions? [11:53:56] I *thought* VAB level 2 was going to make these kinds of issues easy. [11:54:16] One thought I had was to somehow arrange the stage to be stable entering edge-on, so it starts to decelerate higher. [11:54:40] Althego, biomes possibly? [11:55:02] you can use the cheat map [11:58:15] Upper stage should be fine since I deliberately left it in a slowly decaying orbit. https://imgur.com/a/rFW1k [11:58:16] https://i.imgur.com/XvdZHA0.png [12:00:20] RoverDude_: is the new version compatible with 1.3.1 or do I need to update to 1.4? [12:02:16] hmm, KSP version min states 1.4.0, so it is not backward compatible, I supppose [12:02:29] can it cause the launch sommersaults that my center of mass is very low on the rocket [12:02:37] due to the probe being unmanned [12:02:41] Action: pixelfox slowly cruisers in ...... [12:02:45] of course [12:02:56] the stable flight is com forward of col [12:03:25] just not be too stable because then it becomes a lawn dart [12:07:08] hmm... [12:07:36] I need help again, can you watch a bit of this stuff Althego [12:07:51] I wonder if I can use my tourist launcher (3 tonnes, comfortably, to LKO), modified to run unmanned and a few other things), to get a full triad of comsats in intermediate Kerbin orbit? [12:07:54] probably not for long [12:08:21] https://www.twitch.tv/jinxinx [12:08:48] turn on the cyan marker too [12:08:50] ive not moved to 1.4 yet [12:08:58] I've actually never thought about that before. The issue is that the satellites need to get from transfer orbit to the circular orbit, when they're at the appropriate angle from any existing sats. [12:09:17] been reading somthing about com being way off on engines ? [12:09:23] and tanks apparently [12:10:03] So, do I want a design with a single big tank/engine that circularizes, then maneuvers after dropping off each sat, or small motors on each to make the transfer burns at appropriate times? [12:11:17] if you're using FAR, you might want to launch at lower G with a craft that blunt. [12:11:54] im excited about changing the colour of the parts whats that like ? [12:12:03] they are ugly :) [12:12:31] like , can you change liquid mk2 tank colour ? or is it only a few certain parts ? [12:15:19] some of the parts [12:15:37] for tanks it changes between orange and b&w [12:16:02] for fairngs it is orange-gray and b&w [12:16:29] dam [12:16:55] was hoping to change colours myself [12:17:12] ve2dmn is this for real https://78.media.tumblr.com/70764de7bc61efc2cbbdd50797ea48c3/tumblr_inline_p3oqqdnF5W1ql8cw4_500.jpg [12:17:43] lol [12:17:46] i can try this [12:17:51] oh wait, no, i dont have a laser [12:17:57] I want lasershow money [12:18:25] one mod i wish they would reboot - glow strips . [12:19:03] ? [12:27:27] Hullo [12:28:03] Isn't "Hullo" copyrighted by Scott? ;P [12:31:06] Dunno, let's hope I won't end up in court :D [12:32:17] he will send you into koerbol [12:32:36] after passing through the mun arch [12:32:42] after a jool gravity assist [12:32:48] Jinxinx: you döo know that the game has built in tutorials, right? [12:33:02] I have played some of them [12:33:10] ther wernt any in my time :) [12:37:24] (local) leet time [12:38:29] I don't think Scott Manley would go full on REACT channel on us tho [12:38:37] Atleast I hope so :D [12:42:08] i think i read hullo in p g wodhouse jeeves books, possibly written before scott was even born [12:43:53] haha [12:43:58] he's not *that* old [12:44:13] you can mention how good he's looking for his age though [12:46:08] I wonder how he would look with hair [12:46:24] there's a website he did in the 90s around somewhere [12:47:06] http://star.arm.ac.uk/~spm/scott.jpg [12:47:14] haha [12:47:23] so young [12:47:41] and look at the shirt [12:47:43] that's not too bad [12:47:55] now photoshop this hair on modern him [12:48:09] just put his head into a 3d app & render some hair [12:57:48] hehe, i am trying to test this blood pressure meter. instructions say how i should find the main artery in the arm. i cant find it on me :) [12:58:21] tie it tight enough your hand goes numb [12:58:25] definitely found it then [13:06:32] how is it possible i dont have even the tiniest laser at home [13:06:44] i must try this canadian money hologram thing [13:07:21] hi [13:09:00] next comes the quite because of inactivity [13:10:16] Hi, I'm having difficulties in the game because in it I'm not finding the TR-18A because I've already looked at my entire game and I do not think [13:10:31] 1.4? [13:11:04] sim [13:11:06] yes [13:11:07] because in that all the decouplers and stack separators were changed [13:11:14] they are called differently and look differently [13:11:50] And what is their name now? [13:12:01] there was an article that stated the name changes [13:12:05] i am looking for it [13:12:23] ok [13:12:40] * TR-2V Stack Decoupler ’ TD-06 Decoupler [13:12:41] * TR-18A Stack Decoupler ’ TD-12 Decoupler [13:12:41] * Rockomax brand decoupler ’ TD-25 Decoupler [13:12:41] * TR-38-D ’ TD-37 Decoupler [13:12:41] * TR-2C Stack Separator ’ TS-06 Stack Separator [13:12:41] * TR-18D Stack Separator ’ TS-12 Stack Separator [13:12:43] * TR-XL Stack Separator ’ TS-25 Stack Separator [13:13:02] they should look like white rings [13:13:22] Thank you!! you helped me a lot [13:13:55] note that the old parts still work, because the game contains them just doesnt show them in the editor [13:14:23] ok [13:14:27] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/171748-kerbal-space-program-14-away-with-words-mk-ii-is-now-available/ [13:14:47] the full changelog is in the scrollable teezt field [13:14:50] *text [13:15:26] ok [13:20:01] hi [13:21:19] Hi, I'm having a lot of trouble finding the TR-18A part. Can you help me? [13:21:51] heh [13:22:06] Hi, I'm having a lot of trouble finding the TR-18A part. Can you help me? [13:22:11] still? [13:22:15] are you playing career? [13:22:31] he didn't understand how irc works [13:23:09] let me guess, quit, and lost all the backlog [13:24:17] i always have to laugh at the private division logo [13:25:09] magnets [13:25:09] Fluburtur: Small orbital rocket https://imgur.com/a/xizfP [13:25:24] nice [13:25:36] big orbital rocket https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/422024219094810634/20180310143312_1.jpg [13:25:47] big bada boom [13:26:16] Fluburtur: where's it headed? [13:26:24] anywehre [13:26:32] To orbit [13:26:43] that was just a test launch to test the revised 2nd stage [13:27:07] Ah, nice! [13:27:34] but you can do a direct launch to jool with this one [13:27:42] I'd love to build that in RO. I mean, upscaled obviously. But with 2xSLS first stages as boosters [13:27:52] you have ro? [13:28:02] because then I would like you to try it, can probably do good [13:28:06] BadRocketsCo: Small orbital rocket much appreciated. I love small stuff [13:28:17] Yup. That thing was built in realism overhaul. [13:28:31] APlayer: yeah, I have really fallen in l [13:28:34] err... [13:28:52] in love with trying to build things as small as possible [13:28:59] I am not sure what lerr... you have fallen in, but I think I understood that :P [13:29:39] It was just me being awkward about pressing enter too soon, heh [13:29:49]