[00:03:35] Hmmm... [00:04:03] How much does solar panels contribute to slowdown in KSP? [00:05:09] aerodynamics or actual game? [00:06:46] Aero. [00:07:03] because I took half of them off and the game runs a lot smoother now [00:15:22] weird [00:15:36] though.. half.. how many exactly? [00:18:20] I have 7x4 on now and I used to have twice as many. [00:22:42] soooo apparently that was the problem. [00:23:24] 28 panels.. eep [00:23:41] you really needing that much power/panels though? [00:27:27] Aren't the gigantors good now? [00:28:13] if you got the space to mount them.. they do tend to be heavy, but added they can rotating [00:28:41] I'd question more what you trying to power... go from there [00:30:35] https://i.gyazo.com/8f35472e7dd551f25a2b9cff9ec5609e.png - used to look like that, that is 4 each row [00:30:55] weeee, custom controllers for kerbal is fun [00:31:21] ... odd solar panel shape.. [00:31:35] looks kinda thin [00:31:40] from Near Future Solar [00:31:51] and those are extended. [00:33:29] mmm... looks only good for low power aplications.. might wanna switch to somethign bigger, uses less parts [00:33:43] agreed [00:33:44] unless you stuck with them in some ways [00:34:07] I use those for supplimental, for probes [00:34:23] Well now I have only 8 single panel ones. [00:35:47] all this messing about with relay sats, kind of gotten me poking my nose more into the HAM radio and ameture radio relay sat field of things [00:37:08] Hee. I'm the president of my college's ham radio club. [00:38:19] Annnnnd I have too much stuff in orbit....lol, looks like I'm coming within 50KM of another craft of mine in this escape burn. [00:38:42] close passes are fun [00:38:57] I have yet to experience a kessler with all the crap I have in orbit [00:39:48] well I did more work on my heli and now im tired so I will go to bed soon [00:40:57] I think my swashplate setup is almost perfect now, still some doubt on the tail however [00:41:02] I did a direct surface to orbit launch and docking .. something for a video been considering doing. The mission isn't finished yet. Still gotta go orbit the mun and come back [00:41:12] but I will have to give it a spin to be sure [00:41:39] I managed to dock directly after launch once [00:42:22] timed my launch well enough and knew my launch trajectory so by chance I managed to end up near the station enough that my RDV burn also did the circularisation [00:42:50] The one on-orbit collision I've had was with a kOS-programmed launch. [00:43:04] ya.. got that in the video.. trouble is trying to get the timing right. Took me something like 5 tries [00:43:14] yeah [00:43:28] I usualy time my launches well enough that I can dock within 20 minutes of launch [00:43:33] I deployed a probe which needed to circularlize from a resonant orbit. It coasted out maybe 50 feet, did a 180, and slammed into the lifter vessel at full speed. I had not laughed that hard in weeks. [00:43:50] I actually chaneg the orbit of my station so that it ends up being in the right place for my shuttle [00:44:04] mine was so direct... didn't use up all the fuel in the second stage to match with the other part. then just needed to RCS over and into dock [00:44:09] because a standard launch of my shuttle always reaches the same apogee [00:44:46] I guessing 80km is pretty standard circular orbit for most people's stuff? [00:45:07] my station is like 200 or 300km high [00:45:37] I basically changed the orbit altitude to suit my shuttle launches [00:47:48] 80km is a nice parking orbit in preparation for burning further out into the void, for stuff I'm more permanently parking in orbit I'll largely go above 150km [00:48:25] going to an orbit that low is actually kinda difficult because most of my launchers are fairly powerful [00:49:32] I may consider a higher orbit for my transfer stations, later.. I just wish these delta V maps were a little more flexable. [00:49:59] delta v from 80km orbit to mun.. sure, ok, no problem. What if I'm wanting to go from higher orbit.. like say 100km or 120? [00:50:01] My usual parking orbit tends to be 800KM+ because, well warp restriction issues. [00:50:09] I could probably put my station in a higher orbit [00:50:16] I usually have spare fuel when landing my shuttle [00:50:31] but sometimes it is just enough so idk [00:50:38] btw my shuttle is only for crew [00:50:46] that works then [00:50:58] only go as high as you think your craft can manage [00:51:11] I usually take my koyuz heavy to send modules up [00:51:26] but this rocket could basically send the whole stationin one launch [00:51:42] higher obits works too for things flying in and making orbit, plane changes. Means they don't have to eat up as much fuel/delta V going that high up [00:52:05] flying in.. what I mean is flying from things further out in space.. not the surface [00:52:07] I often land the first and second stage of the koyuz heavy when sending stuff to the station [00:52:21] and I also often use the 2nd stage for rdv and docking and then land it [00:52:44] your Koyuz saw a LOT of use when we were working on that collab station. [00:52:53] yeah [00:52:57] what about the Mun though.. Delta-V maps usually sets orbit so low.. 8km... [00:53:05] I mean 200t to LKO is serious stuff [00:53:48] and about 10t to everywhere in the kerbol system [00:53:55] haven't actually checked [00:54:17] I did send some relay sat to duna and then landed the 2nd stage there [00:54:35] well I have to go to bed now [00:55:27] derp [01:10:28] Hrm. I now wonder if there's a clever way to calculate 4:3 resonant orbit parameters based on the body itself with kOS. [01:16:05] depends.. are they going to be based on preset planetary parameters, or from complete scratch? [01:17:27] I don't htink there is any real easy way unless you already have a table of orbital times based on altittude. [01:31:08] trying to make a bonefied space gas freighter now. [01:43:15] Draconiator: where are you frieghting from and to? [01:46:02] Not sure yet. [01:46:59] Mathuin: hum... interesting question [01:48:19] anyone put stuff in orbit of the mun.. ? curious what altititude you use [01:51:42] JCB: My Space Station in orbit of the Mun is kept at an altitude of about 60km [01:52:17] You could go much lower without any issues [01:52:20] ah.. I'm usually about half that, 30km.. [01:52:37] its just... stupid map things put it down to around 8km.. throughts my figures off [01:52:44] .. throws [01:53:02] 8km is the minimum to avoid collission I think [01:57:44] I know... I just really don't like going into orbit that low.. [01:58:09] you are also going a lot faster, so have to slow down quickly if you going to deorbit.. [01:58:51] the d-v maps I seen puts orbits that low.. which is a problem for me... when trying to figure out how much fuel [01:59:17] JCB: because deorbiting from low orbits is more efficient [01:59:39] its not the deorbit worried about... [01:59:50] then what? [01:59:51] some missions I want to just stay in orbit.. higher you are, less fuel you need. [02:00:01] not true, actually [02:00:20] well.. generally, just depends [02:00:32] yes, less fuel to hit SoI, but /more/ fuel to hit transfer speed [02:00:39] I mean as in.. going from intercept to orbit on an inbound flight [02:00:54] I did the math last week [02:01:08] then having to drop that orbit down, circularize from there... [02:01:09] turns out the deeper your periapsis, the better [02:01:33] probably not such a big deal if its all done with one craft.. but I tend to go mothership then lander combo. [02:01:34] and that's from transfer speed to circular [02:01:47] no difference [02:01:53] ”V is ”V [02:02:12] sorta matters when you ahve to figure out how much fuel for each part [02:02:20] higher orbit.. need more fuel to land on mun.. [02:02:33] but higher orbit means less fuel getting into actual orbit.. [02:02:38] higher orbit: need more fuel to circularize from transfer [02:02:52] JCB: you are mistaken [02:03:17] maybe it'll help if i explain what sorta aiming for [02:03:20] it's counterintuitive, yes, but lower /is/ better [02:03:56] usually I do a free return transfer from 80km kerbin orbit up to mun, with closest of 30km.. [02:04:19] I get out there, do retro so as to circularize... kind of what apollo did [02:04:30] there's your problem [02:04:52] you should be trimming your pe closer while less than halfway to Mun [02:05:11] the FRT is for if something goes wrong early in the mission [02:05:14] I could technically go down to 0km if I really wanted to [02:05:20] ie, before the correction burn [02:05:26] free return isn't too much a problem for me on the outbound [02:05:51] NO! BAD ROVER! dont take my munbase and push it somehwere else like patrick! [02:05:51] but yes, circularizing first at 30 then lower down does cost more fuel [02:06:16] I want the mothership to stay at 30km [02:06:26] why? why not 10-20? [02:06:41] and why not 8? [02:06:47] indeed [02:06:59] just giving a nice known safe altitude :) [02:07:24] however, if you expect lots of large plane changes when landing, then higher may be better [02:07:43] well current mission, needs a 45degree plane change nearly for a rescue mission [02:08:02] kerbal stuck around 40-50 or so south lattitude [02:08:24] the solution for that is to come into Mun's SoI with a suitable orbit [02:08:43] JCB: My mun orbital station is at 11 km [02:09:39] JCB: getting a Mun polar orbit is nearly free when done at about 1000km above Kerbin [02:09:44] I lift ore to it, transfer that ore to a separate transit vehicle, which aerobrakes down to get to the kerbin station at 100 km [02:09:55] I'm finding a higher alt givers my landing craft a bit more breathing room when slowing down.. they don't exactly have massive amounts of TWR to quickly stop [02:10:49] I've landed with /local/ TWR of about 1.2 (about 2m/s^2 acceleration) [02:10:55] JCB: sound like your mun landers don't abuse the Poodloe enough [02:11:13] that was... difficult :) [02:11:43] I've got about 2twr... about 30km up.. I can do full burn for nearly half way down. Cost for a little, then full burn again till I get near the surface. [02:11:53] 2 where? [02:11:56] or I think 2twr... its been a while [02:12:01] Kerbin or Mun? [02:12:04] mun [02:12:20] about 3.2m/s^2 then [02:12:42] I have an 50 ton lander with 3 poodles [02:12:43] plenty *) [02:12:45] :) [02:13:01] It lifts off at a fully loaded 150 tons [02:13:06] just need to do some off-retrograde burning [02:13:07] I'm using a cruise ship and lander that was already in orbit of kerbin, rather than redesigning something specific for the mission. Though I had to send out supimental tanks for things [02:13:25] (you get some steering losses, but that's how to give yourself time) [02:13:45] found out the shakedown mission, I was running pretty tight fuel budgets, closer than I would have liked [02:14:50] Sigh [02:15:34] the interesting thing will be how much the landing site will move during the time the mothership does a full orbit [02:15:48] not so much a big deal when its at the equator... but 40 or so degress south? [02:16:03] So now tourists want to go specific places like the badlands of Kerbin. [02:16:12] JCB: less, of course [02:16:27] I think I need to do Mun science and get proper planes working. [02:16:30] and when it's 90 degrees south (or north), not at all [02:17:13] JCB: cos(latitude) :) [02:17:48] wasn't that a problem for the Soviets, re lots of inclinations being inaccessible? [02:18:22] huh? [02:18:23] they had to transfer from polar-ish orbits, so very few windows [02:19:00] and yeah, it would make lunar equatorial orbits difficult [02:19:04] https://i.gyazo.com/53ca9e597d083170a9261917a93fefd9.png - Freighter ship looks like this right now [02:19:30] well I mean in relation to a craft that is in orbit at an angled orbital plane.. I doubt it be very good to do massive plane changes from the equator to reach further south or north is going to be very good [02:20:05] I just get tourists that want to visit Kerbin's badlands, et cetera [02:20:14] polar mun orbit.. maybe, if I'm feeling overly patient.. how long does it take for mun to rotating 180? [02:20:17] sorry. tired. [02:20:32] hmm, isn't it tidally locked? [02:20:43] Pakaran: CC contracts are... interesting [02:20:43] ya but craft wouldn't be [02:20:47] JCB: 6 days it's tidal lockes [02:20:58] Though actually I'm not sure if that's true for me in KSS. [02:21:01] so.. 3 day way for pickup? [02:21:18] taniwha, I was thinking about turning off tourism+ and using stock tourism after all. [02:21:35] One issue is getting a tourist AND a pilot in a craft that can reenter without tumbling. [02:21:42] tourism+ is nice for the free kerbals [02:21:50] JCB: well depands on where you land [02:22:04] Pakaran: I use the mk1 cockpit and crew cabin for those [02:22:11] I'm not seeing free kerbals, aside from the tourists? [02:22:20] spacecamp [02:22:22] I may need more RCS on the reentry stage. [02:22:35] you'll generally end up in a polar orbit around tthe bondary between near and far side as your initial orbit [02:22:44] I'll check when I have the game open, may not have unlocked that. [02:23:24] you take 20(?) kerbals into space for 40 days, return them. three become new crew [02:23:24] so if operation on surface is conducted in that zone it will be faster [02:23:29] I had to wait a few days for the rescue site to come around into the daylight... [02:23:46] JCB: lights on rescue craft [02:24:21] oren I take it by that you mean build and launch a whole new craft from Kerbin? [02:24:22] My other idea was to use a 2.5m heat shield, and either an adaptor, or more of the rocket redesigned with 2.5m tech (I'm using FAR). [02:24:39] Even though I'd use 1.5 engines where appropriate and capable of doing the job. [02:24:48] my favourite contract - world first "dock/transfer/rendzevous" + rescue contract around the same body [02:24:53] JCB: or build it from munar ore [02:25:08] sorry.. sorta in stock mode at the moment. [02:25:08] contract mods do weird out a bit with KSS. [02:25:17] Pakaran: I've found the mk1 solution to work quite well [02:25:21] bees: I've gotten first-EVA on that, but never dock and transfer and rendezvous, nice! [02:25:37] you very much do need the 1.25m heatshield though as the parts can't take the heat [02:25:43] Mathuin: EVA is nice too [02:25:48] or rather, stock world's first. wanted me to do a flyby of a neutron star at multi terameter distance. [02:25:53] and careful chute placement [02:26:33] hmm, though if you don't have pod torque... [02:26:36] That is, outside of where the plasma stream is likely to waunder? [02:26:46] yeah [02:27:29] I always put paracute inside cargo bay [02:27:32] the pod has RCS, and I'll tinker with that/add more. [02:27:44] oren: no cargo bay on the return module [02:27:58] just mk1 cockpit, mk1 crew cabit, chutes and heatshield [02:28:15] and some very light science and solar. [02:28:22] taniwha: put one in between cocpit and crew capin [02:28:27] but that's pretty much what I did for my first toursit. [02:28:31] *tourist [02:28:32] too much mass [02:29:25] oh, forgot about that one: the other mk1 cockpit too [02:29:41] The heat shield is also going to hit the ground first, which could save loss of life if all else fails [02:29:44] http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot3894.png [02:30:27] ooh nice [02:31:02] see I was using a passenger can and a mk1 cockpit on basically a slightly beefed up version of the first to orbit vehicle. [02:31:27] the mk1 crew cabit (passenger can) works well too [02:31:42] I've done something similar... one cockpit though, science can, heatshield, parachute. I probably didn't need the sci-can though [02:31:47] so it didn't take much pitch/yaw for it to start tumbling, especially if I tried to fine-tune the heading. [02:32:14] don't have any screenshots of it though [02:32:20] The pilot is responsible for EVAing and remembering science in orbit. [02:32:39] you need the retrograde sas :) [02:32:44] (Especially when Tito Kerman wanted to spend 4 hours there). [02:32:53] but yes, it is unstable [02:33:24] I have yet to run out of monoprop. [02:33:39] and a small tank on the return vehicle would go a long way [02:33:47] ok I'll start KSP and show you what I did. [02:34:07] I've been known to use RCS thruster systems for small, micro sats.. [02:34:54] been times I wish there were smaller RCS tanks... I mean I could still use the round tank on the end but eh.. [02:34:55] I'm tempted to use tweakscale to enlarge the thruster blocks. [02:35:02] cheat and stack somethin on top [02:35:55] that makes sense. [02:36:17] tweakscale was utterly horrible when I last looked at it [02:36:18] most of the science is on the crew cabin, and for the next flight, I won't need it since I have it in high space. [02:36:38] and physics defying [02:36:38] it tends to give a mass penalty. I forget why I installed it. [02:37:16] One of my favorite tricks is to use an enlarged mk-16 chute as a nosecone on boosters. [02:37:17] (bigger engines do not result in better engine TWR( [02:37:34] wow, I didn't know it did that. [02:37:48] does the sci jr. thing still blow up at the slightest bit of heat? [02:37:56] engines follow the cube-square law [02:38:14] JCB: probably [02:38:23] JCB: put it in a cargo bay [02:38:42] take the science out and forget the jr :) [02:38:54] one thing that irked me... even behind a shield, and in a service bay.. it would still blow up.. [02:39:05] (let it burrrrn :) [02:39:27] don't you need a scientist in order to pull stuff from experiments? [02:39:29] JCB: id u remember to close the doors on it [02:39:34] JCB: no [02:39:45] JCB: only to reset the goo or jr [02:39:52] hmm, I need to either set up a communication network, or bring a scientist along if I do any significant science in Mun orbit. [02:40:01] (Minmus is a Halley's Comet analogue in KSS). [02:40:08] oren earlier on.. didn't realize that was even a thing. Then I just started burning so hard to drop my velocity down so I don't get much burning to begin with on re-entry [02:40:49] I think I have about the right difficulty settings in this game, except that I really don't like grinding funds. [02:41:09] not so much funding issues for me.. more just science [02:41:19] Pakaran: I find science much more grindy than funds [02:41:31] yeah, I have a lot of 90 science nodes left to do. [02:41:32] mind you.. I seem to do more 'one and done'... none of the maximizing [02:41:42] just take tourists with you whenever possible :) [02:42:01] I think part of it is I'm still learning, and I haven't gotten all that much further than I am now, so I know how to minmax around things like the 30 part limit. [02:42:35] https://imgur.com/a/nxYZn [02:42:35] https://i.imgur.com/eNuLKN6.jpg [02:42:38] ah, well, I've been playing for almost 5 years [02:42:47] I seem to hold off upgrading my assembly bays for too long [02:43:06] see how far I can get with only min parts/weight before I'm forced to upgrade [02:43:23] I think I got the game black friday of 2017, so yeah. [02:43:26] I still haven't upgraded the VAB [02:43:32] JCB: you do want to hold off upgrading the VAB to level 3 until you get all the science parts [02:43:50] because almost nothing is built on Kerbina anyway [02:43:59] I do use KER, and that's a big part of why. [02:44:05] JCB: there's a science spot near the vab that is available only in the level 2 vab [02:44:15] oh? [02:44:33] caught wind of someone making mention a few days ago, but wasn't too specific [02:44:38] I'm thinking about turning on Monthly Funds rather than funds per contract, but that might be too much. [02:44:51] JCB: one of the south buildings of the vab [02:45:24] just a sec [02:45:31] also, vab and sph have two biomes [02:45:49] there are like 5 biomes in the research centre [02:46:14] https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Vehicle_Assembly_Building#Biomes [02:47:12] I've usually just bumped up against the main building part whenever I can get the modules.. [02:47:15] Once I get proper planes unlocked, I'll think about turning off KER, but really I think the Mun is the answer. [02:47:24] just loading up ksp now to see whats what I've done [02:47:46] If I don't manage to strand the pilot and/or scientist in orbit, that is. [02:48:08] loading myself. [02:49:20] ok so..IE crew report from VAB, there's something else at the building on the other side when its Level 2? [02:51:51] Pakaran: other than GC issues, why turn off KER? [02:52:10] also protip: on the Mun, solar panels don't work from 3 days at a time [02:52:21] always use fuel cells [02:52:48] luxury [02:53:08] taniwha: you're bringing fuel anyway right? [02:53:23] fuel? [02:53:30] even more luxury [02:53:48] (being a little silly) [02:55:05] well, really it's oxidizer I worry about sometimes on my nuke-based vehicles. [02:55:57] but fuel cells have a much better power-to weight compared to RTGs [02:56:35] Speaking of nuke based....I seem to not be able to provide enough cooling on mine. yikes [02:57:28] oren: btw, the stock fuel cells are grossly underpowered [02:57:38] oren, thanks, I'll at least bring more batteries. I would hope in polar orbit there would usually be sun for part of the orbit. [02:58:11] I feel just a bit cheaty about KER, but really, there's no good reason for that. [03:00:28] the way I see it's im just playing ksp to simulate a more advanced stage in space exploration [03:01:07] the stage where we are industrializeing the moon and colonizing mars [03:02:14] oren: check the last paragraph of this post: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/121397-131-pathfinder-space-camping-geoscience/&do=findComment&comment=3213067 [03:02:55] Pakaran: in no way is either KER or MJ cheating [03:02:59] lol.. 20.4 extra science from the south vab structure [03:04:39] taniwha: whoa [03:05:11] EL_MM.cfg on github has such patches [03:05:31] .... ugh ok looks like I'll have to redo a launch. recorded something but then looks like I lost the progress.. somehow? [03:06:08] oren: gnumeric spreadsheet I used: http://taniwha.org/~bill/engines.gnumeric [03:06:35] hmm [03:06:55] http://taniwha.org/~bill/engines.xls [03:07:03] just exported an xls version [03:09:08] oren: oh, if you grab that patch, watch out for the EL module renames [03:11:05] https://github.com/taniwha/Extraplanetary-Launchpads/blob/master/GameData/ExtraplanetaryLaunchpads/EL_MM.cfg [03:13:06] https://imgur.com/a/I6ppV ignore the name, I did a part test before, but this is what I used for kick off space tourism, with a few minor changes. [03:13:07] https://i.imgur.com/0eZuDnp.jpg [03:13:16] my munbase is in an ideal location for seeing a kerbrise every time I lift off [03:13:25] I'll add a monoprop tank too. [03:13:31] https://imgur.com/VXnMQxA [03:13:32] https://i.imgur.com/VXnMQxA.jpg [03:14:38] it's way overbuilt. A variant could probably work for Mun flyby/orbit. [03:15:03] then satellites. I have money saved for missions, it's more the building upgrades that feel like they're taking a bit. [03:15:22] oren, nice [03:15:40] fart.. ok so seems I did a recording for the direct surface to docking.. then for whatever reason, reverted teh game back... gotta do it over again. [03:22:14] and my rcs problem may have been that I didn't have the right parts unlocked [03:23:08] https://i.gyazo.com/31c9c1dd29b74197555582f15db79395.jpg - LOL, ever get carried away with building and only stop when your computer screams at you lol [03:27:59] Draconiator: WUT [03:28:44] Draconiator: protip use teh heat thingies mod to give u better radiators that can deal with that stuff [03:54:34] Woo, calculating resonant orbit parameters in kOS. [03:56:18] Trying to remember when I bought my video card I have in here now...is there some kind of computer parameter I can check? [03:59:17] On Linux you can learn a lot from dmidecode, but there's not going to be any kind of date that hardware was installed. [03:59:26] You're better off checking your records with Newegg or Amazon or whatever. [04:18:15] Mathuin: this is bad, I'm now on a mission to build a visual flight plan builder [04:18:30] what have you done! [04:29:33] anyone here good at making mods even? [04:29:48] Action: taniwha hides [04:31:01] just.. something I had in mind, something small. But I no idea where to begin. Its not assets building, more a slight addition/change to a readout [04:31:06] though I no idea if its been done yet. [04:31:24] what do you what to add/change? [04:34:13] when you make a node... the delta v shows up on your hud. Tells you how much it takes. I was thinking something where it shows how much available, how much you need. Turns red if you go over... when you in map view. [04:34:30] anyway, some good example mods (fairly simple): https://github.com/taniwha/SurveyTransponder https://github.com/taniwha/FreeEVA [04:34:36] not sure if mechjeb redu shows up in mapview.. [04:35:10] I think it can [04:35:20] I know maneuver node editor does [04:36:11] k.. [04:36:24] figured if anything, give me something of an idea what it takes to do mods... maybe? [04:36:40] oh, sure [04:36:40] I could try making extra assets... its just the modeling that'll take some work [04:36:59] yeah, modeling is... tedious [04:37:02] or can be [04:38:55] using unity? [04:39:04] or is there another application that can be used now too? [04:39:07] I use blender [04:39:26] and so long as you don't want to animate material properties, is quite usable independently [04:39:42] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/40056-13-blender-mu-importexport-addon-v100/ [04:40:42] just got a new feature today, too :) [04:41:01] I've some ideas for RCS sections.. a few other things. Mostly with decoupling, maybe chute or doors. [04:41:14] those will work [04:41:33] the parts I did for Survey Transponder were done in blender and exported using my addon [04:41:55] (and all three parts have animations) [04:42:12] animation would be a little more advanced.. it be nice but... thats one or two steps further.. if I go that far [04:42:20] yeah [04:42:31] but static is easy [04:42:44] especially if it's an external-only part [04:42:50] (ie, no IVA) [04:43:17] IVAs are a RPITA, though my next project is to make prop placement easier [04:43:28] ugh.. did they change the way IVA was done recently? I did a remake of a plane cockpit... [04:43:41] .. RPITA? [04:44:04] royal pain in the a... [04:44:18] no, they didn't change anything that I know of [04:45:42] the main pain is external: vab orientation; internal: sph orientation [04:45:50] and then there's prop placement [04:46:28] but now that I have blender's groups sufficiently figured out, I have a plan for props :) [04:46:33] Hmm I still haven;t got a uranium mining operation set up on the mun [04:46:51] I tried to transfer the model and stuff over, but then all I got was gray inside.. [04:47:30] I made a copy, moved a few of the displays around... it took me a while to figure out what I was missing before it would even work the first time [04:49:09] JCB: my addon will let you import and re-export a model without loss (so long as animations are simple) [04:49:33] (simple = loc rot scale and lights) [04:50:26] at least, I think light animations are exported (actual lights, not emissive textures) [04:50:54] ah, no, not lights [04:52:10] need to check why [04:53:16] just gotta get and learn blender... [04:53:54] blender.org for getting [04:54:03] a gazillion tutorials on youtube [04:58:25] I mostly just edited some parts... then felt I should try to make some of my own.. [04:59:54] ... blender 2.79 or 2.79a.. release candidate? [05:00:19] latest 2.79a is probably good [05:02:09] it good for? win7 64 [05:03:58] ah well.. at least you can get blender, unlike unity, they make you join things [05:12:41] JCB: I seem to remember this as being pretty good: https://gumroad.com/l/blendingawaythepain [05:13:54] lol.. [05:14:25] his hardops stuff is amazing, though [05:14:42] (it showed me the path for doing IVA props in blender:) [05:15:56] I'll have to poke at it later... going out for foods shortly then rest. [05:16:32] yeah [05:20:52] After over 600 days on the Mun, Jenlock kerman radioes the space station, because she's run out of hose endpoints [05:21:17] she can't build any there? [05:21:34] (I create a simple craft that consists of a KIS box with what I need in it) [05:21:35] we don't have a template for them, yet [05:21:53]