[00:00:05] There's a go for launch [00:03:13] whee t-2:15 [00:03:25] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCjIaCBldY [00:03:25] YouTube - Delta IV NROL-47 Live Launch Broadcast [00:05:21] and theres the hold [00:05:29] :D [00:05:36] Sounded like he said liquid somethign [00:05:41] well that hold was abrupt [00:05:49] That tone, that guy's voice. :-) [00:06:37] " *sigh* What is it this time? " [00:08:16] Mission Controller remembered he left his pepsi on the launchpad, he's going to go get it now [00:10:37] It can't take off without lemon scented hand sanitizer and biscuits [00:10:47] That's what they get for installing mods [00:11:14] So the launch will be holding for 42 generation before they can take off [00:12:13] 42 generations? lol so they're going to launch around the time the future civilization of humans starts escavating the launch site? [00:12:19] excavating too [00:13:01] but the countdown will still say T-4:00 and holding [00:30:16] new time is in 30min [00:30:47] launch that ugly rocket already [00:30:50] I don't have all night [00:31:01] hahaha [00:31:54] Fluburtur: aren't you UTC+1 ? [00:31:58] https://78.media.tumblr.com/052a56a7e2975dfb0e36d45bf0cd8f4b/tumblr_inline_oma3v3CdTj1r3uhnd_540.jpg [00:32:02] yeah I guess [00:32:06] it's 1:31 am [00:32:47] I sure hope you don't have to work tomorrow [00:33:05] nah [00:33:08] but im tired [00:46:04] I refreshed and the live launch broadcast now says it's scrubbed :-( [00:46:41] I was tabbed out [00:46:43] sad [00:46:46] Tomorrow at 1pm Pacific [00:48:32] yay code works! [00:48:38] ...50% of the time :/ [01:14:00] My scansat mission script fails because I don't have level 3 of the VAB for the generic actions [01:14:04] So annoying [01:14:10] I have to grind cash just to get that done [01:15:16] ve2dmn: I know you're working on rendezvous, have you worked on achieving arbitrary orbits? [01:15:54] not yet [01:16:02] SOON (tm) [01:16:58] Right now I'm going to settle for a collection of change-blah lines in a script. [01:17:10] I can totally eyeball it, but that defeats the spirit of kOS. :-) [01:17:40] :) [01:20:00] It's like using an Etch-a-Sketch versus writing embedded code to drive two Arduinos connected to the knobs. [01:21:18] Time for the first ham radio club meeting of the term. Later. :-) [01:22:00] Idealiy, you would use a popup https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS/structures/gui.html and enter the values [01:22:04] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:07:33] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3LCbgnzTWY [03:07:33] YouTube - 124/714 Solar Jetman - NESMania [03:07:40] this game looks fun [08:15:24] ONLY IN KSP: Single-stage Proton launch Kvant-1 sized service module to Mir-alike station [09:14:30] so, any news from SpaceX when then next static fire test will be? [09:21:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:17:50] New mission: 5 stars for Jeb. [11:37:25] hi Mod9000 [11:37:36] :o [11:44:16] im trying to dry the tail of my canadair [11:46:00] you should make it waterproof somehow... [11:46:12] I know where the water gets in [11:46:19] I will put some hot glue there [11:46:29] but first I need to get the water out [11:49:59] Hehe [11:51:52] uh [11:51:56] internet is being bad [11:52:09] and I feel it got slower over the past few weeks too [11:52:13] I should call peoples [11:55:00] Not just call. Scream at them! [11:56:29] https://78.media.tumblr.com/de0fc6b310cee1b16452e2715c3416d8/tumblr_inline_o01h9l7zuv1qiap6e_540.png [11:56:31] I guess [11:59:21] well putting the hairdrier on the back of the plane for several hours seems like a working option [11:59:25] so let's do it I guess [12:00:10] https://78.media.tumblr.com/ba6a5691d033f24db493c9ae51176ddf/tumblr_inline_mgflmkHWJR1rrzlrq.gif [12:15:29] I want a birb as large as a dog https://78.media.tumblr.com/6e61c8acf6123820a14853cc10c21bc7/tumblr_inline_o2wtwagLRt1s90hwm_500.gif [12:16:04] thats a crow lol [12:16:10] at least it looks like one [12:16:14] yeah [12:16:15] dont you have those? [12:16:24] yeah but lie not domestic [12:16:33] haha [12:16:42] corvids are either the best or 2nd best dinosaurs. [12:16:45] I got to play with a tiny crow that domesticated itself [12:16:50] a jackdaw [12:16:53] cool stuff [12:16:53] domestic crows. ugh. dont you find their squawk annoying? [12:17:02] ok, interesting [12:17:44] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [12:17:44] they are intelligent enough to only scream when they want food [12:18:06] hm, maybe we got the dumb ones down here [12:18:35] i used to live near this tree that was always full of them, and they were always being loud and boistrous [12:18:37] I was at a park in paris last year and there was a lot of crows and we were giving them food [12:18:42] get an emu [12:18:45] and one pigeon came to get food too [12:18:51] poor dude got bullied so hard [12:18:54] that is as close to a living dinosaur than you can get [12:19:05] as you can get [12:19:09] ok [12:19:14] yeah but emus are evil [12:19:20] less than ostriches but still [12:19:24] what did you expect from a dinosaur [12:19:25] i guess even the crows in paris are more sophisticated [12:19:46] the funny think in emu is that you can still find one finger on it with a claw [12:19:50] *thing [12:19:57] cant move it [12:20:00] but it is there [12:20:38] http://img08.deviantart.net/2ee1/i/2009/241/0/9/emu_wing_claw_by_aaaamory.jpg [12:20:40] like a raptor [12:20:59] oh on the wing [12:21:11] its feet are obviously dinosaur [12:21:29] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/401349943182491648/DSC_0649.JPG [12:21:38] maybe humans will grow wings some day [12:21:47] unlikely [12:21:57] unless we add them [12:22:02] how do you know lol [12:22:13] did I ever tell you about my bionic wings project? [12:22:36] flying is a specialized thing. you need to lose a lot of weight and must be able to pump lot of oxygen [12:22:50] one way birds lost weight is by brain mass [12:22:51] and have your metabolism go fast to get energy [12:23:02] so if there are ever flying humans, those would be dumb [12:23:38] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/401350491138818058/DSC_6804.JPG [12:23:48] that's the little domestic one [12:24:06] curious little dude [12:24:19] and he followed us when we left so I had to throw it back home [12:24:27] those crows look much more friendly than ours [12:24:42] is that a jackdaw? [12:25:02] yeah [12:25:52] here most birds are either in the crow family or the sparrow family [12:30:08] I put the canadair in one of the bedrooms [12:30:14] with the tail on a heater [12:49:34] what is this internet [12:52:56] Hey [12:52:58] Hello [12:53:25] Does any of you know some random failure mods [12:53:27] ? [12:53:38] What is the best in your opinion? [12:54:46] Okay [12:55:02] :/ [12:55:04] Hahhahaha [12:55:25] I repeat the question :S [12:55:41] Do you know any good random failure mod? [12:56:08] Like, that randomly makes something fails in your rocket [12:56:17] I've only heard of Dang it [12:57:08] UPFM [12:57:37] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/160854-13-beta-upfm-a-scrapyard-based-part-failure-and-reliability-mod-091-23072017/ [12:57:45] i havent tried the others but i like this one. [12:58:04] Thank you a lot [12:58:29] Oneiros: Do you know if this one is the one in RO pack? [12:58:50] Looks like what I am looking for [12:58:56] Thank you a lot guys [12:59:25] i dont think there is one in the ro pack [13:00:26] it seems they recommend testflight but that isn't in the pack [13:01:21] Oh, okay [13:01:24] Thank you [13:01:36] you can try #ro as well [13:01:40] UPFM is not in CKAN right? [13:01:51] not sure, i dont use it [13:02:04] Okay, okay [13:02:15] I'll try test flight too, looks nice [13:02:52] it looks like testflight is for 1.2.2, but i guess so is ro lol [13:03:58] I was just seeing it right now [13:04:00] Hahahaha [13:04:15] Yap [13:13:21] Oneiros: [13:13:36] And do you know if UPFM is for 1.3.1? [13:17:04] ya [13:17:25] it says in the title [13:18:03] Oh, true [13:18:06] Thanks mate [13:18:10] :) [13:18:16] :P [13:24:27] Have to leave, by and again, thank you, see you around [13:52:29] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/401372838591856640/tumblr_mm14v84Btt1ql2603o1_540.png [14:03:02] didn't realize I left this on at work heh [14:06:29] well at least your internet is working [14:06:44] I guess there are peoples working on the lines around here because my internet is horrible [14:07:13] probably trying to reduce our internet but keep us paying the same too because it's becoming terrible [14:08:05] that sucks [14:08:27] im on unlimited public wifi at home, its fine for 5 bucks a month [14:09:02] but i wouldn't pay any more for the dropouts, intermittent usability of all google hosted sites, etc [14:10:16] I pay $50/mo for 100Mbit, it's reliable, but it's just a promo rate and my ISP recently implemented data caps because "everyone is doing it" [14:10:24] but when you're used to living off high bandwidth unlimited broadband, it's interesting to switch things up and see what you really need. [14:10:34] like that's legit what they told me on the phone when I called and asked what the reason for limiting my service was [14:10:43] jesus [14:10:56] uh [14:10:57] they must be getting greedy [14:11:51] oh yeah, Cox is the second or third largest provider in the US [14:12:11] they're one of the big dogs financing politicians to gut regulation [14:12:23] everyone gets pushed towards unlimited plans here, but our bandwidth is way behind the US [14:12:45] I'm fortunate that in my region the local electric co-op is doing a fiber rollout or I'd have no competitive options [14:12:52] soon as it's available in my home I'm firing Cox heh [14:13:18] yeh [14:13:58] i was on 4g for a while, it was around 20 a month for 40 gig IIRC [14:15:41] I believe the end-game for US ISPs is to eventually control all the data, wired, mobile, etc. and have an environment legally where they can package it any way they want to extract more money from it [14:15:57] everything seems to be going up atm tho. the local property market went up 100% in the last 5 or so years. its a crisis here. [14:16:16] yeah [14:16:22] since most of them are also television providers who refused to adapt in a timely fashion and are now looking to monetize through extortion instead of providing a quality service [14:16:27] its kinda scary how much power they have [14:17:59] but over there do you have several companies who own the infrastructure? [14:18:13] Google is doing it right but even with all their power the other ISPs have been able to slow them down with litigation, and in some areas I've heard there were billions of dollars worth of "pole accidents" where Google's lines somehow got damaged while other providers were doing maintenance [14:18:49] thats pretty dodgy [14:18:52] most of the poles are owned by municipalities [14:19:28] and the problem with municipal ownership is, and ISPs figured this out decades ago, local politicians are a lot easier to buy off [14:19:40] lol yeah [14:19:46] which is why something like 85% of the country has only 1 HSI option [14:19:59] wow really? [14:20:20] my house I have 2 non-satellite options (and I don't live in the wilderness either) [14:20:31] I can have Cox Cable which provides speeds up to 100Mbit [14:21:05] or I can have Windstream DSL which I tried for a couple months last year, max speed was 20Mbit, but I rarely got over 10, and I had 3 major outages in 5 weeks, 1 lasting more than 24 hours [14:21:17] gosh [14:21:22] are you in the US? [14:21:29] yes [14:21:58] i really thought your net was miles ahead of us. that kind of service is pretty bad. [14:22:03] also Windstream does some borderline illegal stuff with billing [14:22:16] they told me my bill would be $50.04+taxes and fees [14:22:21] get my bill, $98 [14:22:43] you need more competition in the marketplace [14:23:00] $48 in taxes and fees, I call and they claim it's because of the phone line, but when I look at the bill I had like 2 $15 charges for "internet availability" and something else similar to that [14:23:03] here a lot of ISPs have their own infrastructure [14:23:45] and when I called and complained, the guy seriously expected me to believe that it was illegal for their company to tell me how much the taxes and fees are before I get my bill [14:24:05] lol what [14:24:05] okay buddy, you're not allowed to tell me how much the service actually costs until I'm already on it? sure. [14:24:20] no, its illegal not to tell you [14:24:23] needless to say I effectively only have 1 viable ISP option [14:25:00] what about using phone based data plans? [14:25:08] im not sure what your market is like for that [14:25:34] so 10 years ago when smartphones took off, the mobile networks here in the US had SERIOUS congestion problems [14:26:03] they implemented datacaps back then to try to help ease congestion while they upgraded their networks [14:26:24] networks are all great now (largely paid for with tax dollars btw), but the datacaps never really went away [14:26:49] yeah, ours is capped too, but sometimes you can find a good bargain rate [14:27:00] they're now starting to offer unlimited plans again, but most will throttle you after reaching a certain threshold, unlimited just means they won't charge you more after they start throttling the crap out of you [14:27:31] yup [14:27:41] do you need a lot of data? [14:27:53] heh a lot more than any US mobile provider offers [14:28:03] ok fair enough [14:28:04] oop.. morn'n [14:28:07] my family of 4 with Netflix, Hulu, etc. uses about 700GB/mo data [14:28:18] wow [14:28:44] and US cell providers charge like $50/mo for 1 unlimited plan that gets throttled after like 30GB [14:28:55] back in my share house days I don't even think 5 gamers got close to that lol [14:29:15] ok yeah [14:29:16] well you gotta remember streaming nowadays is all HD [14:29:28] ugh.. the days when was on dialup.. too many ISPs going into the house [14:29:43] now its... data caps, no work arounds for some places [14:29:54] in the Summer months I have to put a curfew on our streaming :( [14:30:08] just lower the settings? [14:30:09] because with the kids home from school we get mighty close to our 1TB cap [14:30:27] thing is, lowering the settings isn't possible on most streaming devices [14:30:47] if I were using PCs for everything with browsers it'd be a bit easier to do [14:30:54] idk. i just torrent, and grap the average quality. 1-2gb per movie is fine [14:30:58] but like Netflix, there is no per device setting either [14:31:00] *grab [14:31:10] gosh really [14:31:14] Netflix I can lower the settings, but it would lower the settings for the entire account [14:31:31] so I can watch everything in blurry pixelated 480p [14:31:35] or I can stream HD [14:31:40] with everyone switching from tv companies to getting much of their video fix from online... now why have they started putting hard caps on data these days? [14:31:41] basically my 2 options [14:31:49] maybe netflix are in cahoots with your telcos [14:32:01] JCB to make their TV packages more desirable [14:32:06] which won't work [14:32:06] pushing higher bitrates so that people chew up more data [14:32:19] but they don't care because there are no laws preventing them from charging more for Netflix now [14:32:27] ya but even the TV stuff comes in by digital/ISP too [14:32:33] which they absolutely will do once they think the backlash for doing so will be manageable [14:33:19] torrents will probably become more popular then [14:33:20] yes, but our infrastructure isn't the problem JCB< we can handle all the data coming down the line [14:33:50] the problem is these artificial caps are just there so they can charge more to offset their loss of subscribers for their TV package [14:33:55] I remember the days when we used to push up to 1gig.. ISPs were freaking out, oh, then this so-so person /must/ be running a file sharing service, lets audit them [14:34:14] lol [14:34:17] and most providers, maybe all of them that have caps on home connections now, don't count their own streaming services against your cap [14:34:40] so like if I want to pay $120/mo for Cox's "Contour" service, anything I stream through that doesn't count against datacap [14:35:34] a hard cap on a data though? as in, they won't let you even buy for more data? [14:35:38] even though I get more quality content for $40/mo through Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and Sling [14:35:54] anything over 1TB Cox charges $10 per 50GB block [14:36:29] I've honestly slacked off of torrenting because legal content is so easy to get now [14:36:45] but these data caps are a real problem [14:36:49] ya but you gotta pay for it [14:37:00] luckily as I said earlier, local Elec. Co-op is going to be my salvation [14:37:15] they're doing 100Mbit for $50/mo or 1Gbit for $80/mo, no datacaps ever [14:37:37] they don't have a board of directors reporting earnings to shareholders and paying dividends [14:37:49] the dividend checks go out to each and every one of their customers [14:38:07] which means they actually have a customer-oriented focus as a company [14:38:19] ya.. but was asking, can an ISP not allow you to buy more than the cap..? [14:38:40] before last month no, Internet Service was considered a utility [14:39:07] (also on news.. geeze, David Letterman's look sure changed over the years... new white beard?! [14:39:12] however our fantastic chairman of the FCC recently did away with that regulation so that the "open market could provide even better service" to consumers [14:39:37] so as of right now, HSI is not a utility and I think that means if Cox wanted to cut me off after 1TB they legally can [14:40:10] ah well.. sorta a reason I've avoided getting data for my phone... there's so much crud surrounding having one, not worth my headache over [14:41:15] I'm not sure whats the story with our ISP.. my room mate deals with it. Although... I have heard complaints else where about -Unlimited internet- not really being 'unlimited'. [14:41:31] monopoloy/duopoly is not an open market [14:42:17] yes, that's what the constituency has told Ajit Pai and our local politicians for years too [14:42:38] and the bigger problem is the big ISPs actively prevent competition from entering their marketplace [14:42:57] most common tactic is to bury them in legal expenses with frivolous lawsuits [14:43:49] 1 million in legal fees for Cox is nothing, but making a small startup try to defend themselves it cripples them [14:44:36] I think an easy solution to that would be making the plaintiff pay the defendant's legal fees if the lawsuit is deemed frivolous by the judge [14:44:55] sounds a bit like ULA and SpaceX [14:45:14] from what I've been reading anyway [14:45:18] but then that could possibly create a problem for people with genuine grievances [14:45:39] whats the thing called when one company, purposefully cripples another company through, sometimes, illegal actions? [14:45:49] maybe they should make a special law for utility providers/ISPs only where plaintiffs are responsible for defendant's legal fees if the lawsuit is frivolous [14:45:50] sabotage? [14:46:41] out here.. they promote compitition between things, but there are times when things sometimes go beyond, outside the spirit of friendly commerce [14:46:52] that way it can't be abused to punish people with genuine grievances from suing, but it prevents the problem of monopolies forcing competition out [14:48:51] ugh anyways... not a happy way to start the morning.. sigh [14:50:03] aw dont take it to heart JCB [14:50:19] JCB more coffee. [14:50:30] maybe later... [14:50:40] mmm.. peach oatmeal and toast. [14:50:54] I'm at a point in this career where I kinda want to start over [14:51:00] i find it quite inspiring what SPaceX has achieved in spite of all these kinds of difficulties [14:51:12] take some of my successful launch vehicles and move them to new save and start from scratch [14:51:45] I've probed every primary except Eeloo, and while i haven't gone crewed interplanetary I feel like a fresh start would let me focus more on that [14:52:12] Oneiros I think a lot of that has to do with the leadership skills of Musk, he's not just a stereotypical a-hole CEO [14:52:18] I've been messing around with some rover design ideas... though.. gotta wonder about that command seat thing. They fixed that 'kerbal gets literally ejected' problem in 1.3? [14:52:29] he believes in his businesses and fights for them and doesn't give up when things get rough [14:53:11] I've had some weird seat ejections in 1.3.1, but not commonly [14:53:12] Muske has said a few things that kind of ground my gears a little.. mostly to do with his self driving car stuff [14:53:20] ya. he's an interesting guy [14:53:26] the seat in the Packrat rover would send my kerbal sailing EVERY TIME though [14:53:35] I think it has to do with the seat's proximity to other parts [14:53:41] i read how spacex was hours from going bankrupt before receiving a nasa grant [14:53:42] I get my kerbal to get out of the seat, they pop about 10 feet up in the air and just fall [14:53:58] and now he'll probably go to mars [14:54:00] good thing Kerbals are so tough then JCB :P [14:54:03] I tested iwth the seat just on a metal panel... [14:54:19] I love that quote from him Oneiros "I want to die on Mars. Just not impact." [14:54:29] hahaha [14:54:37] my favourite is from the boring company [14:54:49] something like "digging tunnels will help us get to mars" [14:54:58] such a grounded idealist haha [14:55:25] JCB you play with any mods? [14:55:34] I've noticed the Akita command chair does not fling [14:55:38] currently just been stock.. [14:55:55] the Akita command chair is more realistic IMO anyway [14:56:03] has a roll cage and all that built into it [14:56:24] i was just watching a video on that one [14:56:29] konstruction [14:56:34] akita... -looks it up [14:56:38] because no space agency is going to stick a chair on the outside of a vehicle without a roll cage heh [14:57:06] it's part of RoverDude's stuff, I think its standalone in the Exploration Pack? [14:57:17] might have gotten integrated into MKS I dunno [14:57:33] but you could just pull the parts out of the mod, I don't think they have any non-stock modules on them [14:58:31] this is the akita rover http://i.imgur.com/0qDXpU0.png [14:58:32] oh.. just noticed I didn't take a pic of my little rover-RV creation yesterday [14:58:36] the command chair is 2 pieces [14:58:46] the roll bars plus the flat part with the tank behind him [14:58:51] doesn't need a role cage, got a roof sorta [14:58:55] has built in lights and monoP generator [14:59:17] i think it might be time for a new solar system [14:59:18] very weak generator though like 0.2EC/s or something [14:59:25] a real one even [14:59:47] just a mono-prop generator would be nice [14:59:49] I think tonight I'm going to pack up my ship designs and start a new career with OPM [14:59:57] to help me not get so annoyed at the career R&D system [15:00:18] maybe I'll do unmanned before manned to rearrange my tech tree too [15:00:29] yes [15:00:37] CTT definitely makes things harder [15:00:38] nobody does manned first [15:00:47] where did they even come up with the idea [15:00:57] well even without unmanned before manned I did sounding rockets before I sent kerbals up [15:00:58] unless they enjoy killing kerbals [15:01:04] I've come up with some custom parts of my own... though troubles trying to figure where to put them in the tech tree [15:01:20] what sort of parts JCB [15:01:29] JCB CTT gives you more nodes, makes part placement a bit more logical [15:01:32] RCS thruster disk.. [15:01:43] adaptor cone to service section [15:01:47] that would be under one of the flight control nodes for sure [15:01:49] i made a tech tree mod some time ago, the whole system is now permanently ingrained in my head [15:01:54] adaptor cone under construction [15:02:22] in-line drogue, parachute.. [15:02:29] survivability [15:03:02] the service section has some fuel, batts, rcs... [15:03:12] think something like what gemini had [15:03:27] I'd probably throw that up in rocketry somewhere [15:03:49] or command pods, they have that in the stock tree right? [15:04:13] could stick it in same node as the mk1-2 [15:04:42] I was thinking some place so that it doesn't skip past something you need to research first [15:04:51] I know that's a bit bigger than Gemini but the mk1 is too small for gemini, I'm thinking there will be a proper 2 kerbal pod in Making History [15:05:12] basically the idea behind the con is, 'just stuff that got put into a structural part, where space would have been wasted [15:09:04] ah there... [15:09:16] https://imgur.com/a/WMrkC [15:09:16] https://i.imgur.com/s1CqLAv.jpg [15:09:29] nice [15:11:33] 4t... sometimes I wonder how we get these things to the surface of other places [15:11:50] kerbals can do it [15:11:52] we cant [15:12:15] we dont have a method to land that much mass on mars for example [15:12:15] mind you... been considering doing an arctic base, using a cargo plane [15:12:46] I have a smaller car.. its only about 1t.. fits two people, but lacks the habitat section [15:13:02] cabin is a must for crew report [15:13:02] more like flat car... cart.. thing [15:13:26] my ksp cars always look horrible [15:13:32] oh...? [15:13:35] career ro stock? [15:15:16] ah, tomorrow is the next try for the static fire test of FH [15:15:22] hmm [15:15:49] they say why the cancellation? [15:16:02] nop [15:16:12] probably they dont want it to blow uQ on the pad [15:16:24] I guess some valve or sensor reported something and now they're taking a look at it. [15:16:31] last cancellation was due to weather IIRC [15:16:48] Doesn't look like they're doing much, otherwise it wouldn't be this short [15:16:58] they don't like doing anything with rockets if it's gusty in Canaveral [15:17:21] weather? How? Why? [15:18:02]