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[02:44:49] <Faded_And_Hardbass> hi
[02:44:56] <Faded_And_Hardbass> HOw you doin
[02:45:14] <Faded_And_Hardbass> im just here bc im bored lol
[02:45:36] <Faded_And_Hardbass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asy-XN_C5Lg
[02:45:41] <Faded_And_Hardbass> hah
[02:45:51] <Faded_And_Hardbass> you will like it
[02:46:18] <Faded_And_Hardbass> Mod9000 how are you?
[02:47:14] <Faded_And_Hardbass> https://youtube.com/user/NocturnoPlays
[02:47:25] <Faded_And_Hardbass> ;-)
[02:49:00] <Faded_And_Hardbass> bye
[03:29:33] <UmbralRaptop> blink 
[03:31:39] <XXCoder> geez maybe its a bot lol
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[11:33:49] <darsie> I want lift back for Kerbals.
[11:33:57] <darsie> When skydiving.
[11:37:35] <Deddly> Did they ever have that?
[11:37:42] <Deddly> I thought they only had drag
[11:37:48] <darsie> yes
[11:38:11] <darsie> Unless I was just imagining it.
[11:39:47] <darsie> But it would only come back post 1.8.1, and I'm not sure I want that. Maybe with a new graphics card/computer.
[12:44:09] <packbart> it might be possible to patch a lifting surface into the Kerbal EVA "part"
[12:44:19] <packbart> not sure how those things work, though
[12:45:21] <darsie> Actually, I'm not playing KSP much any more, so it's not very important.
[13:35:44] <NGC3982> landing on moho is so damn hard
[13:36:11] <Althego> not really, landing is the easy part. getting there however...
[13:39:32] <NGC3982> :(.
[13:47:32] <FLHerne> Anyone else playing FTL?
[13:47:55] <FLHerne> I just got a Glaive Beam on the second fight of the first sector :
[13:47:57] <FLHerne> :D
[13:59:04] <FLHerne> ...and now I have a pre-igniter
[14:56:06] <darsie> NGC3982: Go to Minmus, then ;).
[14:56:23] <darsie> Gilly is funny, too.
[14:57:14] <darsie> All you need for Moho is enough TWR and dv.
[14:57:26] <darsie> EER shows you TWR.
[14:57:34] <darsie> for different bodies.
[15:02:49] <NGC3982> i got a bug whilst warping
[15:02:58] <NGC3982> so i couldnt exit the warp and was unable to use controls
[15:03:00] <NGC3982> so i quick saved
[15:03:15] <NGC3982> f9 didnt respond to quick loading and now i cant find the save where i even have the craft 
[15:04:11] <NGC3982> oh god i found it
[15:14:53] <NGC3982> aaaand i didnt have enough fuel anyway
[15:14:57] <NGC3982> for god sake
[15:15:31] <NGC3982> maybe i should rething this all together. instead of packing enormous amounts of dV from kerbin i could build a somewhat empty liquid fuel setup and refuel on minmus
[15:17:37] <NGC3982> aaaaand i put all my funds into this and quicksaved so no reverting
[15:17:40] <NGC3982> and no new funds
[15:17:48] <NGC3982> so that's it for this playthrough i guess
[15:27:44] <Althego> the game makes backups
[15:28:50] <NGC3982> this was a good indication of it being time to start over with a new company
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[19:30:52] <Deddly> I'm looking to get an M.2 SSD. This is new ground for me... any recommendations?
[19:31:15] <Deddly> I don't know what the exact specs of my machine are, but I know that this one fits https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Information-512GB-MTS400-TS512GMTS400/dp/B016W1PP5K/
[19:31:57] <Althego> hehe i didnt know transcend is still around
[19:32:33] <Althego> i would look at benchmarks
[19:32:40] <Deddly> Heck... last time I bough a hard drive Seagate was the best of the best
[19:32:41] <Althego> or maybe just buy a samsung
[19:32:46] <Althego> lol
[19:32:56] <Althego> when, 10 years ago?
[19:33:00] <Deddly> More
[19:33:31] <Deddly> It was a SCSI2
[19:33:41] <Deddly> Amiga 1200
[19:33:50] <darsie> :)
[19:33:51] <Althego> the title says sata 2
[19:33:52] <Althego> 3
[19:33:55] <Althego> lol
[19:34:09] <Deddly> I believe the HDD I bought was something like 256 MB
[19:34:49] <Deddly> This is how out of date I am. Is SATA III good or what?
[19:35:08] <Althego> no, not really. i would go with m.2 for an ssd
[19:35:34] <Deddly> I thought this was m.2
[19:35:47] <Althego> the image is
[19:36:04] <Deddly> Description says "M.2 SSD"
[19:36:04] <Althego> but there is also a sata 3 in the title
[19:36:34] <Deddly> Are you sure you're not looking at the "Lower Priced Items to Consider"?
[19:37:14] <Deddly> Oh right I see it now
[19:37:46] <Deddly> M.2 seems like a minefield the more I look into it. So many standards
[19:37:55] <Deddly> I was told that this one works
[19:38:41] <umaxtu> most of the standards are just different lengths
[19:38:48] <Althego> the only minefield could be the nvme, but that doesnt help a normal user that much
[19:39:06] <Deddly> OK, so I can have 42 mm length
[19:39:16] <Deddly> Is there anything else I should think about?
[19:39:48] <umaxtu> make sure its not QLC
[19:39:53] <Althego> hehe, true
[19:40:04] <Deddly> What's QLC?
[19:40:08] <Althego> quad level cell
[19:40:33] <Althego> the newest and cheapest technology, because it has more bits in the same area
[19:40:49] <Althego> however it doesnt have good properties
[19:40:59] <Deddly> Aha
[19:41:17] <Deddly> What about.... this one? https://www.dustinhome.se/product/5011067237/solid-state-drive
[19:41:20] <Althego> it goes liek this: slc, mlc, tlc qlc
[19:41:50] <umaxtu> you are looking for a sata ssd?
[19:41:58] <Deddly> 500 MBps read/165 write
[19:42:03] <Deddly> I'm looking for m.2 
[19:42:19] <umaxtu> SATA m.2 or NVME m.2?
[19:42:52] <Deddly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:43:19] <umaxtu> cause your motherboard may only support only one or the other
[19:43:53] <Deddly> Well... I was read online (so it must be true!) that this one works https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Information-512GB-MTS400-TS512GMTS400/dp/B00KLTPUG4/?th=1
[19:44:00] <Deddly> That one is SATA III
[19:44:39] <Deddly> But Althego implied that SATA and m.2 were mutually exclusive, I must have misunderstood
[19:45:09] <Althego> maybe i dont undertand this as much as i thought i did
[19:45:25] <umaxtu> I've got a 256gb samsung sata m.2 drive that I'm not using. You in the US?
[19:46:01] <Deddly> Unfortunately not - Scandinavia
[19:46:19] <Deddly> :(
[19:46:27] <Althego> but to me sata what goes on to a sata interface. m.2 can be ahci or nvme
[19:46:33] <kubi> you need to check the motherboard
[19:47:05] <umaxtu> Althego, people tend to conflate ahci and sata
[19:48:16] <Deddly> I'm reading here and NVMe apparently doesn't work https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-S-Series-ThinkPad-Yoga/Thinkpad-Yoga-460-M-2-interface/td-p/3854436
[19:48:18] <kubi> is the drive/motherboard NVMe?
[19:48:44] <umaxtu> Deddly, thats what it looks like
[19:48:44] <kubi> so, then it is slower
[19:48:53] <Deddly> I think it's SATA
[19:48:58] <kubi> yes
[19:49:03] <kubi> AHCI
[19:49:30] <umaxtu> the keying looks the same as mine. so its SATA/AHCI
[19:49:35] <kubi> many times ppl confuse the form factor with the protocols supported
[19:49:51] <kubi> still, it is small
[19:49:56] <Deddly> This one? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Z8BYOWG/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00Z8BYOWG&linkCode=as2&tag=exoidcom-20&linkId=563874011aeddfe9dae546caf8cd1799
[19:50:03] <kubi> and most probably you will not notice too big difference
[19:50:05] <Althego> anyway, even if it is ahci, an m.2 drive can have a way bigger throughput than a sata
[19:50:15] <kubi> unless you try something IO heavy
[19:50:32] <kubi> how so?
[19:52:24] <Deddly> See, this is what I meant when I said that there are so many standards it's like a minefield
[19:52:40] <kubi> m2 is a form factor
[19:53:00] <kubi> then what is carried over it is another question
[19:53:06] <umaxtu> its not nearly as bad as type-c
[19:53:16] <kubi> with NVMe you will have a fast drive
[19:53:33] <kubi> with a non-NVMe it is "just" a SATA3
[19:53:40] <kubi> will you see any diff?
[19:53:48] <Althego> no :)
[19:55:02] <Deddly> The m.2 interface on my machine seems to be undocumented
[19:55:11] <Althego> how nice of them
[19:55:32] <Deddly> But the people who have tried this seem to be using SATA devices
[19:57:18] <Deddly> All I know for sure right now is that it should be 2242
[19:59:32] <Althego> that is tiny
[20:00:14] <Althego> all this because m.2 was intended as a laptop thing but then it went on to the desktop too
[20:00:26] <Deddly> This is for a laptop, so...
[20:00:48] <Deddly> I only need it because the built in 2.5" SSD is full
[20:01:13] <Deddly> I don't want the hassle of replacing the entire drive, so I thought this would be easier.
[20:02:46] <Deddly> So if I understand this correctly: m.2 is the form factor, 2242 means 22mm x 42 mm dimensions. SATA is the physical connector, NVMe is a protocol, but if the motherboard doesn't support it, it will still work. Correct?
[20:03:22] <Deddly> PCIe is the other main type of physical connector
[20:03:41] <Deddly> So... any m.2 2242 SATA card should work, presumably
[20:03:51] <kubi> watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx0ynC8Thlw
[20:12:56] <Deddly> kubi, 5:30 ... does that mean that SATA is volatile??
[20:15:07] <Althego> hehe i think i got it now. to me m.2 always ment pcie, because in a desktop it is pointless otherwise. and pcie is always faster than sata, regardless of having or not having nvme. but in a laptop it makes sense that they connected a sata line to the m.2 port
[20:17:35] <Deddly> Aaargh I'm going crazy here. Now I just found a driver for my laptop "NVMe Solid State Drive Firmware Update Utility"
[20:17:43] <Althego> hehe
[20:17:54] <Deddly> So I still don't know what the heck I need
[20:25:32] <kubi> you need a drive that fits into your motherboard
[20:26:01] <kubi> nvme will be expensive and you will not see any difference
[20:26:46] <kubi> you just delete al kinky videos and you'll have plenty free space and it is free
[20:27:53] <Althego> lol
[20:29:20] <Deddly> Probably best to get the exact mode people are saying they're having success with, then?
[20:29:25] <Deddly> model*
[21:15:07] <Deddly> Thanks for the help guys. Seeyas
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