[02:25:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:04:12] guh, zombanwa, but it is apex [05:13:50] Althego, hi [07:34:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:01:12] zombanwa (again) [08:04:43] oh no, i was looking forward to more holoen server action, but i guess she is back to the usual tree chopping on the jp [08:56:53] https://xkcd.com/2449/ [08:56:59] that one hurts. Very very much. [08:57:01] :D [08:57:54] hehe [10:41:41] Is there a good channel to talk about SM? [10:41:51] sailor moon? [10:41:57] Surviving Mars :) [10:42:35] There's #paradox@oftc, but it's low traffic. [10:42:41] and small [10:42:53] s/oftc/rizon [10:43:59] Shall I post my experience about my first SM game here? [10:44:35] hi Fluburtur [11:36:35] 1337 [11:39:09] [12:37:59] a close call [11:41:03] hrhr [11:41:17] why do it by hand when you can automate it? [11:42:11] Becaues it counts more. [11:42:24] way harder to do [11:42:35] also it is a very bad time for me [11:42:46] i think i could be more successful with 9 or even 11 [11:42:57] but after 13, it is getting harder [11:43:11] That's like showing your math skills by doing 500 gigahashes/s. [11:43:47] speaking of hashes https://github.com/ytmytm/c64-bitcoin-miner [11:43:59] 0.2 hash / s [11:44:25] i would say not bad for an 1 mhz 8 bit computer that is almost 40 years old [12:03:46] Althego: don't put 9 and 11 together! [12:04:18] i didnt [12:04:42] You mentioned it in on sentence! ;) [12:05:01] also dont put 6 and 9 together, or 4 and 20 together [12:05:08] it is like crossing the streams :) [12:05:53] uh, well, public toilets aren't a thing right now. It's hard to cross streams. [12:06:05] lol didnt mean that [12:07:19] I know what you meant. But who is old enough to know Ghostbusters? ;) [12:07:20] i meant ghostbusters and you know it [12:08:44] And I just ignored it. :D [15:08:05] bye bye BN1. You will be not missed and replaced soon by BN2. [15:09:02] what, already disassembling it? [15:11:05] yep [15:11:12] Mary just posted a picture of it. [15:11:22] https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1381944855333593098 [15:13:05] meanwhile elon doesnt say anything [15:13:40] Changing diapers takes time [15:13:47] hehe [15:16:31] Hi [15:16:39] Hi Mod9000 [15:16:51] Jut okay [15:28:02] yay broken silicon [15:28:29] did anybody watch the real time vostok 1 with scott? [15:29:20] he has a time machine? [15:29:38] it was some game with some other space youtubers i think [15:30:55] 4 and 20 is a ghost busters reference? [15:31:01] no [15:31:08] the dont cross the streams is [15:31:17] k. I don't get it. [15:31:54] My flat mate has a time machine on her Mac. [15:32:03] Hi darsie [15:32:07] hi minas_tirith [15:32:46] blackbirds? [15:33:14] /me licks minas_tirith [15:34:03] The capital of Gondor, Minas Tirith (Sindarin: "the Tower of Guard"[2]), lay at the eastern end of the White Mountains, built around a shoulder of Mount Mindolluin. [15:34:14] here https://youtu.be/wyKQe_i9yyo?t=50 [15:34:17] dont cross the streams [15:35:16] from a time when i enjoyed movies [15:35:30] Ok. I still don't get 4 and 20. [15:35:32] i bet i'd get annoyed with plot holes and such if i watched ghostbusters now [15:35:43] so you get 6 and 9? [15:35:47] I guess I do. [15:35:55] I'm an adult ;). [15:36:01] 420 breaks the channel rules as well [15:36:04] 420 is an other topic that is not allowed on this channel [15:36:27] ok, whatever. [15:36:49] i think totally coincidentally april 20 is the birthday of adolf [15:37:34] Hmm, ok. I guess that proves that I'm not a Nazi, even though I have a swastika on my room door. [15:38:03] Action: TheKosmonaut awakens from extended moderator slumber [15:38:14] hehe [15:38:14] My snitch bot whispers [15:38:26] TheKosmonaut: How long did you sleep? Be careful with your answer ;). [15:38:35] Nazi [15:38:45] yes that pings us [15:38:46] adolf [15:38:48] /kick darsie (reason: no) [15:39:03] it was my fault [15:39:22] i shouldnt have mentioned a random associated fact [15:39:59] Maybe that's why we should no put these numbers together. [15:40:37] Whats wrong with 420? [15:41:16] Prove you're not a child ;). [15:41:26] or don't :) [15:41:30] you can google it [15:41:40] shocking, isnt it [15:43:07] Don't drink H20. It's unstable. [15:44:41] h twenty? what is that [15:45:14] does anybody call water hoh? like foof instead of o2f2? [15:45:18] A molecule with 20 hydrogen toms. [15:46:02] hydrogen toms, as opposed to hydrogen cecils? [15:46:13] Action: darsie looks up cecils ... [15:46:25] Sorry, we found no matches for your search term(s) cecils. [15:46:40] i just switched to an other given name [15:46:40] i'm sleepy [15:46:46] cecil instead of tom [15:46:51] You are sleepy. [15:47:28] Tom is the correct term for the previous misnomer atom. [15:47:43] ok i get it, because they are not the smallest particles [15:47:50] Because they can be split. [15:48:02] but still the smallest parts with chemical properties [15:48:41] tomos=cut in greek [15:48:48] or so [15:48:54] tomography [15:48:57] microtom [15:49:27] the problem is nobody else uses it like that. we label that thing as atom, regardless of actually being incorrect [15:49:33] what do you call electrons then? [15:49:40] Electrons. [15:49:49] Feel free to join me. [15:50:19] but they are not amber [15:50:30] so obviously we have to change the name [15:50:50] We could call them betas. [15:50:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJI1p7cHhc george carlin, in your own words [15:51:49] Or negatrons. [15:51:56] hehe i like negatrons [15:52:01] :) [15:52:10] if we are at it, let's change the charge of them to positive [15:52:19] totally :) [15:52:23] and rename kg to gram [15:52:32] No, use the grave. [15:52:41] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_(unit) [15:52:58] reasonable [15:53:33] But we can't call them negatrons if their charge is positive. We'd have to flip positrons and negatrons. [15:53:50] i see no problem with that [15:53:57] I do :) [15:54:15] Reuse of a related term. [15:54:19] nega-kyn and posi-chan :) [15:54:23] *kun [15:54:44] That's why the grave is so handy. [15:55:33] We could also consistently use the g. And consequently Mg, Gg, ... [15:56:07] Most importantly, make it the base unit. That would redefine most SI units, though. [15:56:21] With the G all would stay the same. [15:56:28] that iswhy problem, whatever the mass base unit is, it shouldnt have a prefix [15:56:59] ofc we redefine 1 G as 1 kg. [15:57:22] I think it's still stuck as some amount of water currently. [16:06:36] The kg switched from being s chunk of some platinum-iridium alloy to being related to Planck's constant a year or two ago [16:07:02] UmbralRaptor, units are tough [16:07:05] Since the official redefinition? [16:07:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:08:05] yeah [16:08:47] 2019: The kilogram is currently redefined in terms of the Planck constant as approved by the General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM) on 16 November 2018. [16:09:24] resistance has such a complicated formulation in terms of fundamental units [16:09:25] there were at least two competing methods [16:09:47] a completely smooth silicon sphere with only one isotope, and watt balance [16:10:46] Previously they also tried to "count" gold atoms. [16:11:13] darsie, how many people did it take to count to a kilogram? [16:11:22] lol [16:11:36] They actually integrated the current of a gold ion stream. [16:12:28] And I guess they would have 'counted' to less than 1 kg practically. [16:12:47] Oh ok [16:12:59] How did they count so fast? [16:13:06] They must have really sharp eyes [16:18:58] hehe there is the joke about the shepherd. how many sheep are there? 218 replies the shepherd instantly. how did you count it so fast? i counted the number of les and divided by 4 [16:19:08] *legs [16:19:16] :) [16:19:23] What if the result was not an integer? [16:19:36] hard to say. can actually happen [16:20:21] There's a guy with 0.03 legs. [16:20:25] Althego, how do you calculate 100! quickly? [16:20:31] You compute 99! and multiply it by 100 [16:20:45] dont go recursive on me [16:20:47] 0, 1, 10, 11, 100 [16:20:57] hehe [16:20:58] (factorial) [16:21:02] :) [16:21:09] still can choose to use binary [16:21:16] and in that case you can have it fast [16:21:29] Ok [16:21:40] How do you calculate the sqrt(9) quickly? [16:21:50] You compute sqrt(3) then multiply it by itself [16:22:08] !calc 100! [16:22:08] Althego => 93326215443944152681699238856266700490715968264381621468592963895217599993229915608941463976156518286253697920827223758251185210916864000000000000000000000000 [16:22:14] i think it is fast enough [16:22:42] 100! is a small number [16:22:50] yes, relatively [16:22:51] Lets calculate a million factorial quickly [16:22:59] At that size normal multiplication won't work [16:23:38] i dont know how this did it. arbitrary precision calculator, probably not using flaots for it [16:23:57] !calc 4200*9.80665*ln(1070/1000) [16:23:57] darsie => ~2786.71967723409103242439 [16:24:00] Yes arbitrary precision [16:24:04] But 100! is a small number [16:24:19] Million factorial would require non-trivial multiplication algorithms [16:24:29] i dont want to try that on a pi [16:25:34] !calc 4*100+20 [16:25:34] darsie => 420 [16:26:04] Althego, do you know multiplication? [16:26:24] no, not personally, i have heard of it [16:26:38] Althego, its very interesting [16:27:09] 70! is already >1e100 [16:27:24] at least it is not graham's number [16:27:25] 100 digits is a small number [16:27:48] 100 digits easily fit in ~ 12 32 bit integers [16:27:53] even smaller if we use binary [16:27:56] 1e100=googol, the inspiration of the name google. [16:27:56] supposedly if you wanted to hold that in memory the hwole area would turn int oa black hole [16:30:05] But yes [16:30:17] Multiplication is a very interesting and deep subject [16:40:02] darsie, do you study algebra? [16:40:26] no [16:40:37] I had algebra at uni. [16:40:45] Too hard for me. [16:41:17] darsie, what subjects were dealt with in that course? [16:42:32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_(mathematics) [16:42:32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics) [16:42:32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_(mathematics) [16:43:01] proves [16:43:10] proof by induction [16:43:18] Yes thats the algebra I was thinking about [16:43:27] It deals a lot with the deep aspects of multiplication [17:24:10] how do you call a group of kerbals? (like flock of wbirds, murder of crows, pride of lions, etc) [17:24:24] did i ask this already? [17:24:35] An incident of kerbals [17:24:44] hehe [17:26:08] hehe, the national team moon lander. very tall with a long ladder. bades on playing ksp it has two major flaws. going to flip on landing. then the kerbal is going to slip on the ladder and fall down [17:26:39] just like in the ksp2 trailer [17:30:21] More importantly though, they played the politics well [18:00:52] Althego: I would agree, but the heavy parts are on the bottom so it has a very low CoM which makes it unlikely to flip. [18:01:35] not as low as the dynetics lander [18:01:57] that loks exactly like something i would build for kerbals [18:02:34] and the spacex is of course just its own category [18:02:44] it has its own landing engines [18:02:54] still lands vertically [18:03:19] nice if you have a landing pads, otherwise sounds bad [18:03:49] depends on the length of the landing legs [18:08:13] i feel the lunar starship is an afterthought [18:08:19] elon wants to go to mars [18:08:25] moon is not really a goal [18:08:31] but they may do it if nasa pays them [18:08:32] Starship is delusional [18:08:39] halu :) [18:09:28] NASA will pick up the samples long before mars starship does anything of note [18:11:40] i think the reverse [18:11:50] there is not even a name for the sample return craft [18:11:57] and supposedly eu [18:12:06] so it is going to take at least adecade [18:12:09] Just slapping a name onto a delusion doesn't make it any more real [18:15:07] yes [18:15:15] but it means that they dont have the faintest idea yet [18:15:22] no plannig has started [18:15:29] and actually two missions [18:15:37] one lands, collects and launches it into orbit [18:15:50] and an other finds it in orbit and takes it back to earth [18:16:08] with the usual speed this is at least 15 years [18:16:46] Althego, NASA has lots of smart people [18:16:56] i dont doubt that [18:20:36] i didnt know about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_Icy_Moons_Explorer [18:20:47] i rememebr jupiter icy moons orbiter [18:21:06] *sad trombone* [18:21:14] which never happened [18:21:15] Althego, it is also important not to spread our infections [18:21:40] also backcontamination [18:21:56] safest would be to land the martian samples on the moon [18:22:00] Speaking of infections, apparently the US on the whole is stopping the J&J vaccine rollout? [18:22:01] Althego, human beings are full to the neck with viruses and bacteria [18:22:15] We should not spread our viruses on the red planet [18:22:20] life is already a big infection [18:22:28] viruses cant spread without a host [18:22:32] bacteria might live there [18:22:45] of course bacteriphages would go with them [18:22:58] Althego, we have to protect the martians from our diseases [18:23:09] planetary protection, etc [18:23:22] though conveniently, the martian surface is quite hostile to earth life [18:23:32] or to any life [18:23:45] but if mars ever had life, i think there is still some underground [18:24:08] even on earth there are tons of bacteria livingdeep underground [18:24:13] Althego, sandworms [18:24:24] we couldnt wipe them out even if we tried [18:24:42] thy are quite safe there [18:24:46] just as they would be on mars [18:25:49] the jj thing seems to be similar to the astrazeneca, very rare cases, but somehow still seem to be linked to the vaccine [18:25:50] Althego, how would we talk to the Martians? [18:26:07] cant talk to bacteria [18:26:14] ok, you can but pointless [18:27:07] Bacterium are a hardy peoples [18:29:15] raptop: yes, for the same reason AstraZeneca was stopped (or is only given to people over 60 here) [18:29:36] Yeah nobody really needs vaccines, only old and vulnerable people [18:29:37] raptop: minimal risc of blood clot [18:29:52] we have mostly BioNTech here [18:29:54] so [18:31:34] biontech sounds like some evil corporation in some scifi horror game :) [18:32:03] like gentek in prototype [18:33:20] but about aliens. you also dont talk. they may not even have hearing. or use completely different frequencies. or use electromagnetic waves for communication [18:34:02] Althego, then how will we determine means of communication [18:34:28] nobody knows [18:34:38] with a giant flying lightboard. duh [18:35:03] hehe like in close encoutners [18:35:25] I was thinking independence day [18:36:34] with nukes? [18:41:38] before that [18:42:29] i havent seen that in a long time. maybe there was some flying helicopter with some lightbulbs? [18:42:39] pretty sure there was [18:44:33] There was [18:44:38] It got shot down [18:51:01] Hey raptop [18:51:30] Would you swim with black alien octopodics in a green ocean? [18:52:07] Uh, I think I need some vaccines and a safety course for that [18:52:28] raptop, (Solstheim) [18:52:42] However the ocean seemed very corrosive to normal folks [18:52:55] If I'm the Nevarine, it should be fine [18:53:40] raptop, in that game you are a dragonborn not the nerevarine [18:53:53] however the main enemy is one of the past dbs I think [18:54:05] ah [18:54:10] Action: raptop has not played Skyrim >_> [18:54:22] raptop, did original Morrowind have Solstheim? [18:57:09] Sort of. The first release didn't, but the Bloodmoon expansion (which is included in any release since the GotY one in 2003) did [19:59:50] i'm exhausted [20:00:34] Action: raptop runs flayer through the scrubber, per EPA regulations [20:01:37] yikes [20:04:01] Have to be careful about those exhaust gases [20:09:00] Action: flayer farts [23:45:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net