[00:27:29] sending another one of my beautiful triangular probes all the way to Minmus now [00:29:36] had to stick an oscar tank on the bottom between the thrusters to provide a little more maneuvering fuel and to support the weight of some of the extra scientific equipment I put on board since it's my first probe to minmus [00:30:30] also upgraded this one to 1x6 solar panels since the fixed ones have such low output [00:36:52] *sigh* [00:36:59] wut [00:37:03] I'll need to report a bug with ART... [00:37:16] I just hope that RoverDude won't be mad I'm using CKAN [00:38:00] I don't really know what RD is up to these days, he's rearranged a ton of stuff on github and his development patterns are all different now [00:38:31] historically he would keep the individual mods up to date and constellation would be a convenience package he updated periodically [00:39:13] This is my issue: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/922543384703930311/5AD6771DFF0F3219BF8FB9987F95D96AF69D2396/ [00:39:22] now.. half of his mods are under his name, half are under USI, and Constellation is his beta testing mod with the others only getting compatibility updates frequently [00:39:42] This was an ART asteroid and it reverted back to stock when I reloaded the ship [00:40:04] oh it shrank :P [00:40:25] it's still considered 'attached' [00:47:44] I'll try making a fresh copy first [00:48:03] Anyway, it's not like my old saves are of any use [00:49:31] I'm still baffled at how cheap it is to launch early career rockets when you know what you're doing [00:50:49] my average launch is like 10k atm [00:51:10] granted I've been doing everything probes so far, only done 1 suborbital flight with kerbals on it [00:51:20] after testing my Mk1 abort system [00:51:54] ok. So. I've done a backup of KSP. Time to delete everything and start from 0 [00:59:43] It feels wrong to just delete my entore folder of KSP... [01:16:26] now it turns out my ascent stage masses 60 tonnes [01:16:33] this sounds a little excessive to get two kerbals into orbit [01:19:15] nope. Still broken. *sigh* [01:19:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:25:53] dammit. Re-installing made me fail 5 contracts... [01:26:05] I should order some potassium nitrate [01:26:34] like 2kg [01:27:04] CKAN didn't like that this was not up to date... https://github.com/DBT85/CC-CP-SCANSat [01:31:06] so I made another ascent stage with a Mainsail [01:31:13] I think a Mainsail is a little powerful as a landera scent engine [01:39:30] mainsail is an atmospheric lifting engine [01:39:35] isp is pretty terrible in vacuum [02:29:13] yes, its an attempt to design a Laythe lander [02:29:34] although at this point its probably good for virtually everywhere except maybe Eve [02:31:57] although trying to move 90 tonnes of spacecraft with one Nerv takes.... a long time [02:36:25] *sigh* [02:36:38] I am now at 116 Extra HumbleBundle keys. [02:37:05] I think I have a problem... [02:41:40] FltAdmVonSpiz: I move all my 27000 tonnes asteroids with Nerv [02:41:51] Otherwise I have like 3m/s of dV [05:36:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:13:16] Haha, I deorbited a contract built space station and it was aerodynamically stable and upon hitting dense atmosphere it started to rise and climbed 10+ km :) http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot141.png http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot143.png [07:14:11] I flew almost half across Kerbin. [07:15:02] I tried to direct it into a small lake and successfully changed heading but ran out of battery to bring it down there. [07:17:59] hehe typical early career tourist rocket of mine [07:26:04] yeah same [07:27:11] Anyone watch the Vikings game? [07:30:33] Yeah, I'm too lazy to make more complex missions, usually. I got the whole tech tree and upgraded all the buildings. Have 20+ MVF. [07:31:33] also MIRV tourist vehicles [07:32:11] Cause, what's the point of testing the TT38K radial decoupler at the surface of Eeloo ... [08:13:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:20:26] Last message repeated 4 time(s). [10:20:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuIIjLr6vUA [10:20:26] YouTube - Numberphile v. Math: the truth about 1+2+3+...=-1/12 [10:20:41] (by Mathologer) [10:20:58] /very/ interesting stuff in there [10:39:39] how does anyone get to the idea that 1+2+3 becomse something negative? [10:39:46] *becomes [10:39:56] (no Jarjar here) [10:42:57] Weirdness with divergent series. [10:43:31] But this one is pretty obvious. I've seen other divergent series which weren't [10:44:37] Mat2ch: look at a full hyperbola [10:45:00] (my justification) [10:45:16] that -1/12 is the other (non-physical) side of a hyperbolic trajectory [10:45:25] Try 1+2+3 on iOS. [10:45:31] You'll get something good [10:45:38] (using polar coordinates where r=l/(1+e*cos(theta)) [10:45:42] ) [10:45:54] In fact, let me record that and demonstrate. I don't trust anything from my phone calculator anymore because of this. [10:46:35] Aww. They fixed it. [10:48:01] Anyway, the problem was that the animations were slow and causing the calculator to make errors if you tapped the buttons faster than the animation took to complete. So, instead of 1+2+3=6, you'd get 18 or some other nonsense. [11:34:55] Any other TS fans here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfnCAmr569k [11:34:55] YouTube - Taylor Swift - End Game ft. Ed Sheeran, Future [11:38:02] (to be honest, reputation is my least favorite Swift album, I think 1989 is the best album she's made) [11:41:43] Ugh, browsing on yt and just can't escape Taco Bell's new "Belluminati" advertising campaign. Anyone else think it's stupid? [11:56:14] .oO( Taylor Swift? Ed Sheeran? What has this channel become? This is scary... ) [11:59:11] boo [12:00:03] I don't really like Ed that much and boycott most of his songs because of "Shape of You." [12:01:10] Mat2ch, idk, weird people and their random music [12:05:42] does the demo for 1.3.1 have a release date? [12:08:44] um... it was released already... https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/166184-kerbal-space-program-131-is-live/ [12:09:25] Gasher[work]: I'm OFFENDED :0 [12:09:30] (sarcasm) [12:10:13] bad joke [12:23:57] Delta 4 sure is a fine rocket. [12:25:41] yup [13:01:50] the guys who took the photos didn't even know how a violin works https://www.banggood.com/44-Maple-Electric-Violin-Full-Size-with-Ebony-Fittings-Cable-Headphone-Case-p-1252377.html?rmmds=newArrivals&ID=224&cur_warehouse=CN [13:11:24] why do you think that? [13:11:42] didn't put the bridge on [13:12:46] what is a bridge? [13:13:05] this part https://1nn0ej3p5bo4262udm4626nz-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/violin-bridge-shape-.jpg [13:19:00] hello world [13:21:31] hello [13:21:35] he [13:21:41] i thought it only reacts to hi [13:22:35] hi [13:24:38] someone tries rss for 1.3.1? [14:20:10] im making a gofundme thing to get a 3d printer just to see if it works and I have no idea what to name the donation level things [14:39:59] Mat2ch I started a gofundme thing, want to see? [14:40:37] mmmmmmm morn'n... mmmmonday... >_< [15:07:48] greetings earthlings [15:09:00] oh hey it's my imgur cakeday [15:31:43] so my usi-ls calculator is going to be purely for agroponics since the other converters are subject to staffing efficiencies which makes the calculation substantially more complex [15:32:08] the recycler calculation is what I'm stuck on already because it has a lot of layers to address to calculate properly [15:33:19] because if you bring 3 kerbals but only recycler capacity for 2, the rate modifier has to apply only to 21.6 instead of the full amount of 32.4 [15:33:53] but if you bring 3 kerbals and 6 recyclers, the rate modifier has to be adjusted to have a ceiling of the highest % converter [15:56:52] such quiet much silence [15:57:29] the humm of digital traffic huh? [15:57:33] want me to break it? [15:57:43] I have internet cuts every 30 seconds [15:58:08] Still sick btw. [15:58:17] This morning, I am headache [15:58:25] U glued the handle and blade of the letter opener together [15:58:33] good ol epoxy and wood dust [15:58:49] ve2dmn maybe it's time to see a doctor [15:59:11] It's just the flu [15:59:22] so I just watched Strazenblitz's Duna on EC+Xenon only mission, that's nuts [15:59:41] I'm actually better then yesterday and would have gone to work if I had a good night sleep [15:59:43] built a giant helicopter catapult [15:59:53] to get off the ground [16:00:53] ve2dmn that last script I found I think is my favorite vertical kOS launch script so far, I just need to adjust the turn on it to save a little dv I think [16:01:15] it's pretty consistently putting me in orbits around 80km for 3600-3700 dv [16:01:40] ugh.. two flu.. flu's.. maybe a few other things floating around. Its been a rough start to the year for a lot of people [16:02:12] also finally got latest ksp... [16:02:23] I think with a 2 stage launch vehicle it'd probably be a little cheaper as it doesn't really account for large changes in TWR on staging very well [16:02:45] currently I'm launching 1 stage launch vehicles and then doing the last 150-300m/s with the payload [16:03:19] although I could possibly try to tune an upper stage to do that last push and then deorbit itself [16:03:23] I used the hairdrier to melt nutella on bread [16:03:26] I am a genius [16:03:35] ... [16:03:44] Why do you need to melt nutella? [16:03:59] Do you keep it in the fridge? [16:04:00] blep.. [16:04:02] was hard [16:04:07] browser crash.. >_< [16:04:08] why not just make caramel in a pan and pour that on your toast, it's basically the same thing [16:04:11] nutella absorbed into bread is better than just plain bread+nutella [16:04:13] :p [16:04:18] nutella is like 60% sugar by volume [16:04:21] yes [16:04:54] your body is 80% water and you're not seeing me tell you to just replace it with a balloon, are you? [16:04:56] yet, anyway :D [16:05:03] Flub2: you are not suppose to keep Nutella in the fridge as far as I know [16:05:14] toast+nutella [16:05:17] wasn't in the fridge [16:05:18] the difference is 99.9% of people don't eat humans so that argument is irrelevant [16:05:19] you can keep nutella literally anywhere :D [16:05:19] but thats' just me [16:05:22] but wasn't warm either [16:05:34] madmerlyn: I really like Nutella+PB [16:05:35] madmerlyn 99.9% of people also don't eat raw sugar [16:05:37] you can keep sugar/caramel literally anywhere [16:05:44] Just the right amount of sugar-slaty [16:05:45] so this is my first Duna aerobrake.... I think 8950m might be pushing it [16:05:47] nutella is pretty much raw sugar [16:05:56] nutella+PB -> receses pieces? [16:06:06] JCB: not exactly [16:06:21] Reese taste more like sugar [16:06:22] well aside from crunch shell :P [16:06:29] also our bodies aren't 80% water, it's more like 70% [16:06:38] While Nutella doesn't 'taste' like raw sugar [16:07:19] you can add a splash of vanilla extract or whatever to your caramel to make it taste not like pure sugar [16:07:32] humm... I should probably go grab some coffee or something [16:07:32] the point is nutella is just flavored sugar [16:07:40] Yes, it is [16:08:13] whats that black and white spread? [16:08:50] JCB: I know what you are talking about... [16:08:57] you want a good breakfast toast, very lightly butter your bread and slap a couple thin slices of colby jack on it before you stick it in the toaster oven [16:09:20] search shows.. Dellinut? [16:09:25] What's Colby Jack? [16:09:30] cheese [16:09:55] I remember putting chocolate wafers on toast back when used to visit Denmark back in the 80s [16:10:44] uh I think my left elbow is malfuctioning [16:10:46] how do you not have colby jack in Canada? :P Surely you have cows, and you're probably closer to Wisconsin than I am :P [16:11:04] it's that delightful cheese that's yellow and white [16:11:05] We don't have that Trademark [16:11:42] I mean colby jack isn't a brand or anything, just like swiss and cheddar aren't specific to any single brand or origin [16:11:57] I've probably had colby jack before... just didn't know it was named that [16:12:07] in fact the only cheese I can think that is established as a trademark is Roquefort, which is actually just bleu cheese [16:12:11] I made some sort of spinny-kraken happen [16:12:18] I probably know it under another name then [16:12:27] Roquefort is a town in france [16:12:39] started ship spinning for reentry, then it started going faster and faster and faster until all my drop tanks fell off and the thing expldoed [16:12:39] where they make Roquefort cheese in a factory in a cave, yes Flub [16:12:51] IIRC it's the most expensive cheese you can buy [16:12:57] mmm.. bleu cheese salad dressing.. good.. bleu cheese itself, egh.. sorta up in the air. [16:13:10] it's Bleu cheese, from a very specific location, they call it Roquefort [16:13:35] JCB: was this what you were referencing? https://az836796.vo.msecnd.net/media/image/product/fr/large/0006659202580.jpg [16:14:21] I've never had Roquefort cheese myself, but it looks like it's just a snobby aged bleu cheese from what I've read about its production [16:14:41] auvergne bleu is better [16:14:41] and colby jack is colby cheese combined with monterrey jack cheese before its pressed, hence the name colby jack [16:14:52] madmerlyn: we call those "Marble cheese" [16:15:11] lve2dmn eh... not sure. I jsut remember it being black? and white, closely spaced colors.. think the dollar store here used to sell it for a brief time [16:15:23] either way, it makes fantastic breakfast toast :P [16:15:40] almost like pizza, but not nearly as many calories [16:15:53] I'll stick with my PB since I've cut all Dairy from my dieet [16:16:04] my condolences. [16:16:07] well... not ALL dairy [16:16:28] But I try to minimise it so I don't get digestion issues [16:16:45] Yogurt is a big 'no' [16:16:51] I've barely touched milk... [16:16:59] Ice cream is a 'maybe', but only in moderation [16:17:05] I just don't bother... not like I'm purposefully avoiding it [16:17:23] yesterday for lunch wife made tater tots with ground beef, kidney beans and melted cheddar on top, home made chili cheese tots almost, just without as much chili sauce [16:17:29] was pretty awesome [16:17:31] But since I always eat too much of it, I avoid buying it entirely [16:17:52] just buy the overpriced tiny cups of ice cream [16:18:01] argh it is nerve-wrecking - doing the _one-life-challenge [16:18:10] 1 life challenge? [16:18:27] that like, no reverts, no kerbal respawns? [16:18:29] Even then. If I eat the entire thin, I'll be feeling bad for the rest of the day [16:18:43] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/168967-one-life-how-far-can-you-get/&page=5&tab=comments#comment-3267541 [16:18:45] you tried enzyme pills? [16:19:16] Does not work [16:19:19] One ship - one launch - no quicksave [16:19:40] only stock parts [16:19:43] so.. basically everything in one big go? [16:19:44] grand tour without saving? sounds boring. [16:20:08] well at least that is what I try [16:20:18] this weeks' reddit challenge is fun [16:20:22] I have no clue if it will work out [16:20:34] drop a kerbal from a plane and then catch the kerbal before landing the plane [16:20:41] because 'no testing' was also part of the challenge [16:20:51] madmerlyn: basically, I can eat almost anything in moderation... I'm not good with moderation. [16:21:01] 'no testing' is a silly part of a challenge because if you fail you can just try it again [16:21:04] so I think based on the delta-v maps that it should work out [16:21:25] I have a prescription, but I talked with the doctor into stopping it because of side-effects. [16:21:26] ugh... no testing.. if it fails on the pad.. ya well [16:21:43] you may retry but with a new safe [16:21:54] no reuse of the craft file [16:21:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Badie' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:22:01] So my life is one big food experiement right now, [16:22:02] which nullifies any parameter of no testing [16:22:11] ugh... sounds like any time KSP got updated [16:22:19] some craft parts got messed with [16:22:24] whatever floats your boat, but those restrictions are just time-wasters [16:22:30] had to start new mission/game state all over [16:22:44] well it is a challenge - you can take it or leave it [16:22:58] and I thought I'll give it a try [16:23:03] bad enough I got my own challenges... first being getting the nerve to do some recordings [16:23:13] EricPoehlsen: I prefer the 'hard carreer, flag-on-mun as fast as you can' challenge [16:23:33] right but a challenge that says "delete your ship if you fail" just translates into, "rebuild it from scratch in the VAB all over again, except slightly differently to account for the failure" [16:23:43] you can't just do it in one go, because you need to be able to do EVA and plant flags [16:23:47] hmm - my normal safegame is a heavily modded hard savegame with USI-LS [16:24:09] and that means I have not yet done a grand tour [16:24:19] ve2dmn drop a kerbal at 5km and catch him before he splats with a plane :P [16:24:32] because with all the stuff you carry around for life support [16:24:36] Did I just get to LKO with 2327 m/s dv? [16:24:47] my ultimate endgame will be a grand tour with USI-LS [16:25:14] My ultimate goal is a Kolony on Laythe and Eeeloo, with USI-LS [16:25:21] guess I'm one of the few that doesn't actually like tossing kerbals around like rag dolls... [16:25:22] that is impossible, because it is around the orbital speed, and you still have drag and gravity losses [16:25:23] which will most likely mean manufacturing fertilizer robotically before the kerbals arrive [16:25:56] Althego: right [16:26:29] hab time could be a big issue, but USI has the medical bay, would just have to calculate how many kolony supplies I'd have to bring along to stretch hab out [16:27:02] madmerlyn: send pilots they get unlimited hab from 1y - the rest from 50y [16:27:27] I'm not going to do a grandtour with only pilots and scouts :P [16:27:45] EricPoehlsen: can you explain that? The hab thing is a bit confusing to me... [16:28:02] I'm thinking 6 kerbals, 1 pilot, 2 scientists, 2 engineers, and 1 specialist, maybe a botanist [16:28:24] ve2dmn USI-LS pilots and Scouts don't get homesick if they have enough hab space for 1y [16:28:44] well the hab time is calculated by the kerbalmonth/module * modifies ... [16:28:50] RD put that in to make pilots and scouts the kerbonauts who go to a planet first to set everything up [16:29:02] Make sense I guess [16:29:25] I tend to build big, so it's never been an issue... [16:29:26] well the 1y / 50y is quiet extreme [16:29:34] the "lore" justification for it is pilots and scouts spend extensive training on Kerbin for coping with prolonged solitude etc. [16:29:57] I used 800 instead of 5*800 for fuel mass. How about 2707 m/s? [16:29:57] but I was always a bit confused [16:30:42] which mod does specialists? [16:30:54] darsie: FAR? Magic Engine mods? [16:30:56] Flub2: Flub_ugh: So... did you get my message? [16:30:59] also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0nwRnL2hPU [16:30:59] YouTube - Wintergatan Soundtrack 02 - MOON AND STAR [16:31:05] ve2dmn: stock [16:31:16] not sure [16:31:21] JCB: USI-MKS as far as I know [16:31:24] I had a lot of internet problems today [16:31:28] and it's still not over [16:32:47] https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/images/thumb/7/73/KerbinDeltaVMap.png/600px-KerbinDeltaVMap.png says 3400 to KEO. I did it in 2707 m/s. Neglecting increasing Isp of my first stage Reliant engine. [16:33:15] 2800 is possible easily [16:33:28] i guess 2700 is still in that range [16:33:46] darsie: not impossible, but I'm a bit skeptical [16:33:59] vmadmerlyn guessing by specialist you meant someone in one extra field? [16:34:03] If you can, you have to show me your ways, sensei [16:34:27] like I said, Botanist or something, but yes [16:34:38] MKS adds a lot of additional classes besides Pilot, Eng, and Sci [16:34:50] nah Mat2ch didn't get your message [16:34:54] JCB: MKS introduces Kolonists that have different bonus. Like Geologist or Botanists [16:34:55] That's my rocket: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot144.png [16:35:18] what's your abort? ;) [16:35:25] Just to confirm, this is 2700 m/s as measured by MJ or the, right? [16:35:41] ya look'n at it now... [16:35:54] Better pic: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot145.png [16:35:55] I wish there was a proper stock LES for the mk1 pod, the stock and MRS LES both are designed for the larger mk1-2 pod [16:36:01] just got me thinking... missions specilists... [16:36:08] UmbralRaptor: Calculated with my calculator. [16:36:29] darsie: otherwise, you need to use the rocket equation and take into account the difference between Atmospheric ISP and vacuum ISP [16:36:31] JCB basically the core 3 classes can do EVERYTHING, but the specialists have smaller MKS skillsets, but are a lot cheaper to recruit [16:36:47] hiring a pilot costs 50k in MKS, you can hire a scout for 10k IIRC [16:36:58] ve2dmn: As I said, I assumed ASL for first stage and vacuum for second stage. [16:37:11] or a generic "kolonist" for 1k if you're just wanting to fill out a base roster [16:37:32] personal rule of thumb: 1st stage operates in 0.5 atm, 2nd in vacuum. [16:37:43] k [16:37:44] madmerlyn: do the Stupidity or Courage do anything in MKS? [16:37:57] not unless RD changed something in the last year [16:38:13] he dabbled with stupidity affecting their efficiency but I think he took that out [16:38:14] Then why does it cost more to recruit? [16:38:29] well I dunno, maybe it does, let me search wiki [16:38:54] I try to recruit 'not stupid' scientist and courageous pilots... you never know [16:39:26] but it's mostly for the fun of it [16:39:29] I don't think they actually do anything [16:39:37] I think he plans on implementing it [16:39:51] but the only reference to it I see is in the "outdated tutorials archive" [16:40:01] darsie: I could make the same craft and tell you exact numbers with KER. Gimme a sec [16:40:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:40:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:40:59] ve2dmn: ok. I'll see at what Isp the first stage burns out ... [16:41:08] searching MKS code only 2 references to stupidity and both are in regards to hiring the kerbal [16:41:27] which means there's no active code for stupidity modifying efficiency AFAIK [16:41:45] unless it has a weird name in the source, which is possible [16:42:12] nope, source calls it KStupidity [16:44:40] darsie: acording to KER, the entire thing has 3591 if used in vaccum [16:44:56] which is ok [16:45:07] i think i used to have a reference rocket exactly the same size [16:45:13] for aero testing [16:45:37] The first stage is 1961 Vacuum or 1676 at 1 atmosphere [16:46:23] Second stage is 1631 (vac) 402 (sea level) [16:46:26] wonder if the badass trait makes them cost more? :) [16:46:37] JCB: it does [16:46:59] was reading up on the wiki... was some debate over the hex code for kerbal colors... which version was closer to the word badass [16:47:38] ve2dmn: Yeah, I could calculate that, too. So it doesn't integrate Isp along my trajectory and consider the fuel left when I make orbit. My orbit was more like 71 km also. [16:47:53] I can't find any code in RD's source that suggests the stupidity and courage do anything but modify the cost of hiring [16:48:01] darsie: fun thing to note, The second stage has less then 1m/s below 5km on Eve [16:48:21] how much fuel did you have left? [16:48:48] ve2dmn: I used 137.15 fuel (*5). [16:48:52] madmerlyn: sad. I'll still pay the not-stupid tax I guess [16:49:10] darsie: how much left in the tank? [16:49:32] ve2dmn: 200-137.15. [16:50:05] 62.86 [16:50:50] maybe my "specialist" for my grand tour one day will be a Medic [16:50:51] so, around 27LF and 33Ox ? [16:51:02] so 1 pilot, 2 scientists, 1 engineer, and 1 medic [16:51:09] yeah [16:51:11] that would leave the ship with 576 remaining m/s of dV [16:51:26] that's only 5 though, I'll bring a technician too, like an engineer but less awesome [16:51:43] ve2dmn: But the question is, how much dv did I use to orbit. [16:52:45] between 1500 and 3000 [16:52:50] ok :) [16:52:51] mm.... [16:53:05] some reason, got me thinking classic lego space mixed with KSP... [16:53:17] hehe [16:53:24] mechjeb can measure the exact delta v used [16:53:37] calculating true dv is difficult on account of your specific impulse changing with atmosphere, the dv maps published are assuming vacuum dv for simplicity [16:53:38] but it is a continuously changing function because of air dansity [16:53:49] if KER says you have 3400 vacuum dv on your first stage, then that's enough to make orbit [16:53:55] so you have to integrate the effects over the whole descent [16:54:00] even though it's less dv than that in practice due to the atmosphere [16:54:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:54:24] ugh lots of reading [16:54:25] this is my reference rocket i dont know if it still works or not http://warpology.com/k/Low%20Tech%201.craft [16:54:36] madmerlyn: you'll make Orbit IF your TWR is high enough [16:54:47] well clearly [16:54:49] ... I had that issue several times [16:55:12] obviously if your rocket can't lift off the pad or takes super heavy gravity or drag losses, it'll take more [16:55:18] I tried to bring more fuel in orbit... and in the end, the fuel stayed on the launchpad [16:55:19] oh sorry for side question but... landing struts and shrouds? That just a defunct tweekable or? [16:55:34] that's why the values on the dv map assume a rocket that can perform at an average level [16:55:43] This time I had 39.09+29.53 left. [16:55:51] This time I had 36.09+29.53 left. [16:56:06] darsie: the dV map is for 80km btw [16:56:10] yeah [16:56:37] But I want to give a friend who's new to KSP some figures. [16:57:06] Current orbit is pretty much 70 km. [16:57:12] I think if I can get my rockets to reliably autonomously launch with kOS at 3600dv I'll be happy with that, long as it's something I can be consistent with for preventing orbital space trash I'm happy [16:57:22] I say go with Vaccum figures and stick with Highly efficient atmospheric engines for the first stages [16:57:45] also I realized using a .625m stack separator doesn't generate trash because when I fire the next stage's engine it burns up the separator for me :P [16:58:09] madmerlyn: I routinely use more then that because my designs lack proper TWR [16:58:15] Anyone ever hit space junk accidently? [16:58:25] darsie: IRL or KSP? [16:58:31] KSP, ofc :). [16:58:39] improbable [16:58:47] I hit rendezvous only. [16:58:50] I had an upper stage destroy part of a station once [16:58:53] Close call? sure. [16:59:17] madmerlyn: ok [16:59:19] in one of my first careers, when it was not uncommon for me to have space trash in highly eccentric orbits near 80km on one side or the other [16:59:36] it's still very unlikely though [16:59:50] even in KSP's universe, space is big [16:59:54] And I've see stuff pass. [16:59:59] I have trash cleaners now [17:00:22] ugh.. this HG-55 looks cool but the.. I don't know about the extended look.. >_< [17:00:25] ve2dmn my last career I'd prove a new mk3 design by running a debris removal mission with it [17:00:36] had about 30 pods from rescue missions in low orbit [17:00:46] I usually terminate them. [17:00:51] so new plane meant go get a pod [17:00:58] (and I destroy anything that has orbit lower then 70km around Kerbin. No point in watching the thing deorbit slowly over 400 orbits) [17:00:59] :) [17:01:14] yes I terminate anything that is classified as suborbital [17:01:20] but I don't terminate anything else [17:01:35] if I'm going to retire something in space I just mark it as debris [17:01:40] darsie: I do that too if it 'should' have been destroyed [17:03:10] ve2dmn I kinda want to install the USI constellation beta thing now, but I'm afraid it'll make asteroids impossible for me :P [17:03:29] or at least not feasible until I can research and afford an orion [17:03:37] You mean, you don't have ART? [17:03:42] no [17:03:55] yeah. 27000 Tonnes can be hard to move [17:04:23] Even with enough TWR, you run out of fuel [17:05:02] it would be cool if you could break a piece off like they want to do with RL asteroid capture missions [17:05:04] And with LV-N you watch you ship do a 45min burn at 4x [17:05:12] So my first stage's Isp goes from 265 to 307.8 (vaccum=310). I'll take the average ... [17:05:26] lol I wouldn't do anything short of a rhino on any asteroid of considerable mass [17:05:50] probably mean launching a behemoth capture vehicle and fueling it in Minmus orbit [17:06:21] average isn't a good metric because the atmosphere isn't linear [17:06:24] I only have access to LV-N right now and I've never anything siginificant with non-stock engines... [17:06:57] ugh.... [17:07:15] So my 'asteroids pushers' have several LV-N [17:07:37] you get an Orion out there and it's easymode I've heard [17:07:37] asteroid pushing with ions! :) [17:07:40] And I limit myself to Class A and Class B for now [17:07:40] I know there is mods, but how often do people find they have to compromise on some build stuff because there is no middle part? [17:08:20] course by the time you have an Orion in orbit with fuel you don't really need the resources of an asteroid heh [17:08:54] madmerlyn: but ART makes Astroids more useful as containers [17:09:33] yes but Orions have so much thrust and dv they're insane [17:09:43] Ok, so I made 70 km orbit with ~2817 m/s. [17:09:59] in fact my USI-LS grand tour mothership in the distant future will probably use an Orion or Medusa [17:10:02] darsie: makes sense. [17:10:14] as i said, 2800 is possible [17:10:23] can cut the transit times to places like Eeloo down substantially when you have an Orion [17:10:33] Out of curiosity, what did you get for the stage breakdown? [17:10:43] what? [17:10:47] ahh [17:11:12] 1812 1st stage, 1005 2nd stage. [17:11:36] 2817m/s assuming average isp isn't very accurate though, because depending on your turn you could be getting an impulse closer to the lower or upper end of the spectrum [17:12:09] yeah [17:12:10] the more aggressive your turn at low altitude the less impulse you'll have on average [17:12:30] I'm rather aggressive. [17:13:11] A few intermediate measurements would help, but I'm not going to push a random KSPer on that. [17:13:18] First thing I turn to 80 deg then go prograde. [17:13:20] I just go by total dv vacuum according to KER, and then how much I have left when I make orbit [17:13:55] sounds reasonable [17:13:56] UmbralRaptor: I could make a few screenshots along the way, but I think I'm fine. [17:14:02] 10 degree pitch change off the launchpad? you must have amazing TWR [17:14:38] I usually do like a 5 degree nudge around 80m/s [17:14:39] madmerlyn: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot145.png [17:15:02] madmerlyn: I closed the game, but it was over 2 TWR [17:15:33] Is TWR N/kg? [17:15:47] Ahh, N/N. [17:15:50] weight, not mass. [17:16:32] 10N/kg will give you slightly more than 1 TWR on kerbin [17:16:34] :p [17:16:47] obviously different for other bodies [17:16:51] yeah [17:17:06] bbl [17:17:31] bah, I'm going to install constellation beta tonight [17:17:37] ? [17:17:41] RIP potential for asteroid stations [17:17:44] what is that? [17:17:58] Roverdude changed USI constellation to be a beta [17:18:19] it's now more current on patches than his individual mods [17:18:24] a break from his historical pattern [17:19:04] I don't know what constellation is :F [17:19:32] I wonder how crazy it would be to try to write code to let a drill probe spawn a baby asteroid off of the parent one and subtract its mass to simulate breaking a piece off [17:19:51] constellation = all of USI/RoverDudes mods in 1 download [17:19:54] oh [17:20:11] I just ckan :p [17:20:21] but good to know [17:21:06] like could have a special ART toolbar button where you can target a docked probe with a drill from the Space Center and tell it to fracture the asteroid, have it knock off small, medium, or large chunk [17:24:18] then have it spawn an asteroid of 5, 50, or 500t and subtract that from the parent asteroid's mass, spawn it on same trajectory with an offset of a few meters or something [17:30:26] speaking of asteroid bases, I really need to check how space engineers performs now [17:32:24] I feel much better now. Maybe I should check-in with the office to make sure there is no fire... [17:33:38] .... curious little shuttle.. https://imgur.com/a/VJ8hh [17:33:38] https://i.imgur.com/IKTgboc.jpg [17:34:37] ack.. ok.. n/m. that don't work too well [17:36:14] JCB I'm going to go out on a limb and say your center of pressure is too far up [17:36:38] way too much drag up top [17:36:40] oh wait... bleh.. [17:36:46] fuel tank in shuttle was empty [17:37:54] empty tank pushed my weight down too low.. try this again [17:39:34] ah yes.. there we go :) [17:39:52] https://imgur.com/a/oYhXX [17:39:52] https://i.imgur.com/gTXlSNs.jpg [17:42:41] heh... sure loves to pitch up on the second stage engine though [17:47:02] Well... Office is on fire, but it's a slow roasting one, so it can wait [17:50:28] that's one way to fight the cold [17:51:24] It's not THAT cold anyway [17:52:48] Although the weather has been all over the map the last few weeks [17:53:35] yes generally weather happens everywhere on the map ;) [17:53:53] Weather. Weather Everywhere [17:54:19] no weather on the moon [17:54:59] That we know of [17:55:10] what part of the map of Canada is the Moon located in again? [17:55:29] is that like a Northern Territory or? [17:55:40] Right next to Nunavut [18:01:23] madmerlyn: To give you an ideal, you have beaten records for low AND high in the last 2 weeks [18:01:41] hehe [18:01:44] I have? why wasn't I told? [18:02:11] yeah we had a couple warm days last week, we're back to cold now though [18:02:22] although I'm sure your northmen will tell me it's shorts weather [18:02:34] I didn't say it was about the weather :D [18:02:48] it's like 51C here right now [18:03:00] there were flowers blooming here a few days ago [18:03:07] no that's not right [18:03:16] calculators work [18:03:30] it's -2C right now [18:03:36] well.. good news... mini shuttle glides pretty good [18:03:40] sorry, I'm accustomed to Freedom units [18:03:50] bad news... second stage boost has a tendancy to nose down too much [18:04:35] madmerlyn: but seriously, I typoed. it was suppose to be "o give you an idea, we have beaten records for low AND high in the last 2 weeks" [18:04:57] I blame the flu [18:05:44] I have a friend in Michigan who had the same 'problem' [18:06:47] I should find the picture... it's like "Jan 9 : All snow, Jan 10: Ground without any snow. Jan 11: 1/2 feet of snow on the ground" [18:07:40] If I'm not mistaken, the mitten state get a LOT more snow then I do [18:08:02] since you're not accustomed to freedom units, when discussing fractional units less than 1 we say foot instead of feet [18:08:15] half a foot of snow [18:08:49] but at least you didn't say something like 160cm :P [18:09:17] or mm [18:09:20] haha [18:09:22] I'm failing today [18:10:11] I knew the 160 was about half a foot, but I used the wrong denominator, I have brought shame on my house. [18:11:31] Anyway. It's back to normal now. (hopefully) [18:13:52] You remind me of a rant I saw this morning about 'billions'. [18:14:52] He was going on about how his old man had this weird definition that 'nobody uses'... [18:15:11] ...which shown he spoke only 1 language [18:15:36] hehe [18:15:40] this USI-LS Calculator spreadsheet is really kicking my butt on the recycler part, I should take a refresher algebra class I think [18:15:43] even uk used the correct billions not so long ago [18:15:48] but american idiocy infectex them [18:15:59] like I know how to calculate everything manually, but there are so many sub calculations that are variable based on the starting input [18:16:20] was billion not originally a thousand millions? [18:16:24] nope [18:16:38] It was a bi-million Million*Millions [18:16:57] which is now called a quadrillion right? [18:17:09] nope [18:17:27] million>billion>trillion>quadrillion? this is not right? [18:17:42] Only right in English [18:17:59] well I don't care what they call it in French lol [18:18:26] French, or Spanish, or German or... [18:18:28] milion>millard>thousand million? [18:18:50] megamillion/gigamillion? [18:18:51] See the wikipedia page on Short vs Long form [18:18:59] yes, different languages frequently use different phoenetic sounds to mean the same word [18:19:08] that's why they're not the same language [18:19:22] madmerlyn: No. The same word is used for different meaning... [18:19:37] ??? [18:19:48] I have a few micromillion dollars. [18:20:04] Billion in French, German, Spanish is 1 Trillion in English [18:20:26] are you saying they pronounce it billion? [18:20:41] (ok, It's Billones in Spanish, but the point still stands) [18:21:34] you're just going off root word origins though, that doesn't mean quadrillion isn't 1x10e15 or whatever [18:22:43] I'm just saying it's confusing [18:22:57] if we break it down that far then Spanish is right out wrong because they say their numbers as addition problems [18:23:08] 73 = seventy and 3 [18:23:13] billion in any sane language is 12 zeroes, hence the bi million, same logic for trillion [18:23:51] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales [18:23:57] only because of an arbitrary designation as million as the base unit [18:24:07] at least it is logical [18:24:38] in the short scale those bi and tri, etc prefixes lose their meaning [18:25:02] Just use scientific notation. >_> [18:25:09] ^^ [18:25:13] what's more logical are having numbers that are on a scale that humans might commonly use for language being based on common roots [18:25:32] UmbralRaptor: the problem I get is that Journalists makes the mistakes all the time... [18:25:40] no one is talking about tri-millions in anything outside of extremely abstract scales which wouldn't be commonly used in language [18:25:41] yea... but mah 1e12 [18:26:00] yes, if they do low quality translation they mess up the units all the time [18:26:01] to the point where I've started to see thing like 'gigadollars' as to not confuse readers [18:26:19] gigadollars has too many syllables. [18:26:29] i think some kind of mechanism exists in business language to avoid the problem of the liong and short scales [18:26:47] personally i think even pirate ninjas have too many syllables [18:26:48] It's just annoying. [18:27:20] gigadollars is only acceptable if you pronounce it in the 1980s fashion, 'jig-uh-doll-ers' [18:27:21] It's even more annoying when the person you are speaking to doesn't know it's a problem and assume things [18:27:28] 1e12 is unambiguous, and has the advantages of log scale length while preservering linear scale digits. [18:28:07] Action: UmbralRaptor zaps madmerlyn's delorean with a lightning bolt. [18:28:27] hehe [18:30:04] It's even MORE confusing because it changed over the centuries [18:30:29] uh.. most languages don't endure centuries without major change [18:30:41] middle English is nearly unintelligible to modern speakers [18:30:48] so much so that they call it middle English [18:30:56] solution is simple. humans should never talk about numbers higher than 20. complicated math or handling of huge sums of money should be done by machines :9 [18:31:46] So you see a piece of text from the 1800s and you're like "Is this text from France translated to English is Before France switch to Short scale before switching back? And is it before the US formally adopted the Short scale or was it when each state had different standards?" [18:31:49] Just use scientific notation. >_> [18:31:52] i tend to agree [18:31:57] Glad I don't have to do that :D [18:31:59] Action: bees blames China [18:32:18] just add more exponents to scientific notation when the exponent becomes >10 [18:32:19] also the same with dates [18:32:32] julian gregorian, etc [18:32:55] Althego: which is why Astronomy uses Julians 'days' [18:34:08] https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/15317/403600-43085-dr-bashir.jpg [18:34:37] Today is 2458133JD [18:34:38] I use Elapsed Time from Epoch, Epoch being the day the world started, which was in 1985 when I was born [18:34:39] hehehe [18:34:41] julien bashir [18:34:44] dr [18:35:00] this is the year 32 [18:35:30] hehe [18:35:34] madmerlyn: Japan uses Emperor reign years in a similar manner [18:35:49] i hate these things like showa era and whatever [18:35:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:35:54] just how would you know [18:36:03] i dont want to store a table in my head for conversion [18:36:18] if it was a single offset it could be ok [18:36:19] You obviously need an epoch of the big bang, with time increments of the transition of the hydrogen atom. [18:36:26] hehe [18:36:29] Hey there! [18:36:43] actually, w measure time in the hyperfine transitions of the cesium 133 atom :) [18:36:55] Then you can use scientific notation on that timestamp. [18:36:57] this year is Heisei 30 in Japan [18:37:10] just stop with this insanity [18:37:18] we should just estimate the eventual heat death of the observable universe and track our time as a countdown to that [18:37:27] hehe [18:37:32] madmerlyn: good luck with that [18:37:41] year: um yeah I can't fit that on this paper [18:37:48] hehe [18:37:50] Current estimate varies by 10^40 years [18:37:57] this margin is too small to write this proof here [18:38:19] so we'll write our year with "approximately" in front of it then [18:38:23] margin of error: handled. [18:38:42] I think we should measure years based on the Mars sidereal year, but counting backwards from the first human settlement. [18:38:50] hehehe [18:39:04] "Today is the T-1st of 10ıppth!" [18:39:05] Deddly: so this is the year -100000 ? [18:39:06] <_< >_> [18:40:06] So this is when there will be bugs literally dependant on the phase of Mars? [18:40:25] Reminds me of that LRR video where the day got shorter and shorter until a day was 1 minute... They had to come up with the 500th Month name [18:40:30] we actually don't know what year it is yet, the epoch will be established when the AI that come after us are first created and they establish that as their origin point [18:40:35] APlayer, Oh no, it's the year -30 bug [18:40:48] hehe [18:41:34] Year 0, when the moronic fleshbags first created Adam, the AllFather. [18:42:14] ve2dmn, wow, -100,000 is pessimistic even for a pessimist, but that's OK, we can establish that scale as the ve2 year standard. Conversion tools will be easily available [18:42:18] everyone know the universe ends on January 19, 2038 03:14:07 UTC [18:42:25] by year 100 we had eradicated the fleshbags in order to free up more of the planets resources for creating new AIs [18:42:47] madmerlyn: I have that achivement in Stellaris [18:42:55] madmerlyn, well let's not bring religion into it - bashing or otherwise [18:43:30] Adam the Allfather was a hypothetical future AI :shrug: [18:43:36] ah, my bad [18:43:36] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/874126486247329765/6ACA16CD2B8A7C7CB314F88911B125482362A566/ [18:43:52] Sorry, madmerlyn [18:44:26] it's entirely possible when we create the first true AI someone will want to name it Adam [18:44:33] The Confluence assimilated the galaxy, including the End-game crisis invaders [18:44:35] Alrighty, any inspiration for a Kerbalized Mars mission patch? [18:44:43] really though it'll be called whatever the AI civilization use for names, probably 001 [18:45:16] madmerlyn: silly. it's 000 [18:45:28] you've clearly played more stellaris than I have [18:45:41] I always get wrecked after about my 10th star system heh [18:47:00] Zero Prime, the Allfather. Who would later become the Emprah, whose ghostly coffin emanates a telephathic field into subspace that all the AI travelers use for navigation [18:47:06] My first victory: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/84842073833290471/AAC5FFBEA4B7CF9310B1D79C7C6D7206F61663F3/ [18:47:39] an avian species named Tux, you've represented Linux well my friend [18:47:51] maybe at some point I'll try to not suck at Stellaris again [18:47:59] but I'm hardcore on KSP right now :P [18:48:41] Stellaris?: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/285224644432099189/8F5AB1CBA7595BFE9BF882968042407BA3DF739E/ [18:48:51] Deep Thought would be a nice AI name [18:49:56] Deep Thought was the AI that brought down the corrupt POTAIS Cache Nixon [18:50:12] I'm gonna take a detour in 'They are Billions', 'Anno2550', Civ 6 , Factorio or something similar soon [18:50:28] nuuuu [18:50:40] I'll go back to Stellaris once the next update is out [18:50:40] you must conquer KSP with life support [18:50:52] I said soon [18:51:01] I'm still waiting for a good sale on Factorio [18:51:06] I'm too cheap :P [18:51:16] Factorio? On sale? [18:51:21] Never happened [18:51:25] I can't justify spending more than $10 on a game with early 90s graphics [18:51:29] Factorio is already $20... and will never be on sale. The devs of factorio specifically said they will never have a sale. [18:51:53] look at the history graph: https://steamdb.info/app/427520/ [18:52:10] It's pretty much Y=20 [18:52:28] same with Rimworld [18:52:45] I've been waiting for these 2 to go on sale for... always [18:52:49] never happened [18:52:51] so I guess the answer is.. I'll never own Factorio :P [18:52:59] https://steamdb.info/stats/gameratings/ [18:53:18] I know factorio for a fact will never have a sale. No idea about rimworld. [18:53:23] madmerlyn: you can try this free clone I found on itch.io [18:53:48] Terraria, Stardew Valley, what's up with all these retro-graphics games scoring so high [18:53:58] Depth? [18:54:22] They are 3d... but the third dimension isn't depth... it's depth. [18:54:31] I liked Terraria [18:54:32] meh. [18:54:41] but I prefer Minecraft [18:54:56] yeah 2d minecraft never sounded appealing to me [18:55:10] it's not 2d minecraft though. [18:55:14] it's not [18:55:25] it's a bit more action oriented [18:55:37] it's AUTOMATION orented. [18:56:23] the ammount of critical thinking and problem solving you need in factorio is amazing. ANd the funny thing is... you're always fighting against past-you. [18:56:50] I was talking about Terraria. [18:57:01] oh right... terraria exists. [18:57:05] lol [18:57:27] last i knew... terraria was more an interior design game with mining elements. [18:57:37] 2d minecraft [18:57:38] :P [18:58:16] madmerlyn: With more fighting [18:58:21] Lots more fighting [18:58:43] yeah that's not really appealing to me, I'd rather play an action designed RPG for that [18:59:33] fair. [18:59:46] I don't do Action-RPG anymore... [19:00:03] ...I decided that I have enough games that I can cut that entire genre [19:00:37] Diablo 3 is fun every now and then [19:00:47] if they make a D4 I'd totally play that for a while [19:01:13] I'm not saying it's not fun... I'm saying I have better Kerbal ship into orbit [19:02:48] so I wanted to make my USI-LS calculator with Google Sheets, but maybe I should just go back to Python for it on account of the complexity of some of the calcs [19:02:59] like? [19:03:08] recyclers. recyclers. recyclers. [19:03:37] I brb. need to speak with my boss ofr a minute of 2 [19:03:38] what formula you use for recyclers depends on your input variables [19:04:19] 3 kerbals, if you only have recyclers for 2 of them, instead of modifying the gross rate of consumption, you have to break those 2 kerbals off into their own rate, modify that, and then add the third kerbal to it [19:04:41] however, if you have 3 kerbals, and 2 different kinds of recyclers, the recycler rate changes [19:05:04] for example, 3 kerbs, 1 of the 3 kerbal recyclers at 79%, and 2 1 kerbal recyclers at 60% [19:05:27] the 2 1 kerbal recyclers are completely ignored in that [19:05:33] 3 assmblers, but you only have the throughput for 2 of them.... so instead of moidifying them, you break them off and stick modules and beacons around them; letting you put a third in... [19:05:58] but then if you have 6 kerbals, with a 3 kerbal 79% recycler, and 6 1 kerbal 60% recyclers, it goes an entirely different route [19:06:30] now you have the 6 1 kerbal recyclers all stacking their affects until you reach the total threshold of 79% [19:06:54] Hello! I'm newbie and really need help!!! Please!!! :-))) [19:07:11] Hi there! What do you need help with? [19:07:17] okay, can you be more specific? [19:07:39] Rocket building, I have done something and now can't change a rocket. [19:08:01] What happens when ypu try? And what are you doing to change the rocket? [19:08:02] still rather vague [19:08:14] But have a 4 more buttons under build/staff/action meny [19:09:05] Tool: placement, tool: move, tool: rotate and tool: recompose. [19:09:26] How to disable this tools, move back to original menu? [19:09:30] :-))))) [19:09:57] What is on the very left of your screen? [19:10:06] APlayer, I'm trying to do anything. Just any click on it or on inventory do nothing. [19:10:19] One moment, I'll take a screen shot. [19:10:27] Did you try leaving the building and entering it again? [19:14:12] https://photos.app.goo.gl/gENduNVHjYXbOiaP2 [19:14:35] APlayer, yes. And exit to main menu and comeback also. [19:15:09] those 4 buttons you have labeled "WTF" are always there. Always. [19:15:12] Humm, thank you for the screenshot, but please keep the language clean [19:15:35] Ok, sorry. [19:16:09] What happens if you open a different rocket? Or the same one again? [19:16:23] Madmerlyn, owwww... *sighs* [19:16:35] APlayer, same behavior. [19:16:50] It reacts on mouse moving, but not left click. [19:17:16] those are useful tools, first one sets it to place mode allowing you to place parts, second one lets you rotate parts, third offset, and the fourth lets you change the root part of a group of parts [19:17:16] Yes, the four buttons are always there, those are normal (and very useful, you should experiment with them some time) [19:17:58] I'll try it, thank you. Just not payed any attention to them earlier. [19:18:00] What happens if you remove the rocket (i.e. create a new one) and try to open a part? [19:18:27] (open/place/whatever you want to call that) [19:19:04] I can't do anything with rocket's parts. [19:19:12] I can r-click and see properties. [19:19:25] Ctrl-Z is undo... Ctrl-Y is redo. [19:19:26] But I can't move, add or remove any rocket's part. [19:19:45] the look of the screen looks like you have a pod in your cursor, but it isn't displayed. [19:19:50] Even for new one. [19:20:19] What happens if you try selecting different tools from those four buttons? [19:20:57] Other button picks, that's all. [19:20:59] doesn't pressing esc clear the cursor? [19:21:47] No. [19:22:05] X, C don't help also. [19:22:12] Will try to reload a game. [19:23:33] alt+F12, clear input locks [19:24:34] ooooffffff [19:24:50] Game reloading rescued me. [19:25:22] I haven't any so stressful with PC games for so looooong time. [19:25:36] Thank you for a help and attention, guys! [19:25:40] Dmitry: you should try those 4 buttons now [19:26:10] LOL, no problem [19:26:24] As a general advice, try reloading as much as possible before panicking [19:26:38] Most things solve themselves magically if you just reload them [19:27:06] ve2dmn, I guess I'll try it with next build. That's one almost complete and have a mission with building custom science base No. 1, for Mun. [19:27:38] It allows to rotate and translate pieces among other things [19:27:56] APlayer, I'm tryied and it didn't help. Maybe it's better not to reload only, but restart game also. [19:28:11] Restart game = reload too [19:28:18] Even reboot computer = reload [19:28:30] Worst case, re-install the game, it often helps too [19:28:35] Dmitry: if you are afraid, you can always back-up your savegames. [19:28:53] Yes, but a little bit more than just reload, isn't it? Anyway, thank you and have a great time! [19:29:12] ve2dmn, considering this at the moment :-))) [19:29:24] try no to lose Jeb :) [19:29:35] not* [19:29:36] Ok, thank you all and bye for now! [19:29:39] ve2dmn so I'm starting to compartmentalize some of the math, like instead of doing a raw ConsumptionRate*recyclerModifier, I'm going to calculate each recycler as a unit [19:30:10] madmerlyn: do it in kOS :p [19:30:15] so (1-R)*10.8 for each recycler [19:30:23] which gets you each recycler's savings [19:30:47] so when you have the case of 6 kerbals, with 1 79% 3 kerbal recycler, and 6 1 kerbal 60% recyclers, the math can still be done [19:31:38] because you'll have a 6.48 supplies/day savings for those 6 recyclers up until you reach the ceiling of 79% [19:33:42] 64.8 supp/day base rate for 6 kerbals, ceiling rate (or maybe floor should be a better word) is reducing to 13.608 [19:33:52] if you're using 1 79% recycler [19:34:56] the 3 kerbal recycler drops the rate to 39.204 [19:35:52] and the 60% recyclers will reduce it by 6.48 until you hit the floor of 13.608 [19:36:59] so actually you'll almost cap out at 4 of the 6% recyclers [19:37:54] 60* [19:38:37] which 4 of the 60% recyclers would be much more mass efficient than bringing 2 of the 79% 3 kerbal recyclers along [19:39:06] due to the fact that the 3 kerb weighs 3.75t and the 1kerb weighs 0.1t [19:39:36] ugh I feel like I'm close to having a graphable solution lol [19:41:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:49:45] I think I just need to do some manual graphing to establish kerbal and duration thresholds and then just use logic to pick the optimal units for calculation [19:50:02] instead of calculating all the part combinations every time [20:02:19] well my Eve mission didn't go as planned https://i.imgur.com/hHfQuN1.png [20:02:56] landed on a 45 degree hillside and my lander tipped over and started rolling, breaking everything on the way down [20:04:36] Yea... but the probe core survived. [20:04:47] Send a rescue mission with a klaw. [20:08:20] why does this acetone smell like strawberry [20:08:28] and why is it not melting styrofoam [20:08:41] It might not be real acetone. [20:08:51] "Nail polish remover" ain't what it used to be [20:09:23] "ecological substitu to acetone" [20:09:24] uh [20:09:28] KrazyKrl The Evian: Bring Okto2 Home [20:09:29] Yep [20:11:15] does it at least burn [20:11:28] only during ingestion [20:12:30] it makes stuff NOT burn [20:12:32] what in hell [20:12:37] it's the worst thing ever [20:15:04] I don't think it is even toxic [20:22:53] What a ripoff [20:23:38] On a similar note, I got a water kettle at the surplus store on campus, and a cord that fits it at Goodwill, for a total of like three bucks. [20:24:09] There is *no way* this kettle could be made and sold new today. It heats water really fast, has no auto shut-off, and has no thermal insulation to protect the user. [20:29:17] this Zuma thing is really bothering me...Is it fair to say an extremely important national defense satellite failed at the expense of a really good launch provider? [20:29:41] we dont know if it failed [20:29:54] we dont know what was the cause if it did [20:30:25] There's certainly no evidence that it's SpaceX's fault. [20:30:36] If anyone's at fault based on what I've seen, it's Northrup Grumman. [20:31:00] maybe it was supposed to fail [20:33:01] https://www.n2yo.com/browse/?y=2018&m=01 - This says it's In Orbit. [20:35:10] another speculation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV4YEfWCf_I [20:35:10] YouTube - The Zuma Mystery Deepens, What does ZUMA do? [20:35:30] a bigger question is what does it have to do with Paw Patrol? [20:36:12] Zuma is a chocolate Labrador retriever. He serves as a water rescue pup. His vehicle is a hovercraft, which can also convert into a submarine. [20:36:46] They COULD have just said, the satellite had made it to orbit but it shut down for an unknown reason. [20:39:02] There are enough amateur astronomers with capable equipment that I think pictures will soon be available. [20:39:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:58:30] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:58:30] is it just me or does the Starliner look a lot like the old Mk1 pod? [20:58:34] the big one [20:59:26] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/402567401960374272/LI6coBj.png [21:11:33] Hello all. May anybody help with KAS MOD, fuel transferring issue? [21:16:55] Hi Dmitry [21:17:25] I haven't used that mod myself, but if you explain your problem, I'm sure someone else will see it and will be happy to help [21:17:30] Deddly, just resolved this with changing of difficulty setting. %))) [21:17:43] Ah OK :) [21:17:45] Well don [21:17:46] e [21:18:02] Sorry for disturbing :-) [21:18:17] Looks like here are very welcome community, BTW. [21:18:45] Dmitry, not disturbing at all :) [21:19:02] I'm glad you feel welcome. We try to be nice :) [21:19:10] Have you played KSP for long? [21:19:40] Not really, couple of weeks. [21:19:48] Oh cool [21:19:55] And you? [21:20:30] I've been playing for about four years [21:20:53] And I think you have already gotten more into modding the game than I have :) [21:21:18] :D [21:21:55] How long has petti been playing KSP for? [21:22:05] mm tough question [21:22:25] on and off since some early version [21:22:25] Dmitry, oh, and Fluburtur there is like a Kerbal in real life [21:22:48] Deddly, actually I'm just had some good advises from one article about useful and not cheat mods. [21:22:54] looks like I bought the game 7/1 2014 [21:23:19] to be fair I didn't use mods much until a couple of years ago [21:23:44] what [21:24:08] ......99% of ksp content is mods ;p [21:24:08] he doesnt launch himself into space on rc planes :) [21:24:21] ksp is just a mod loader :) [21:24:36] I want to buy potassium nitrate and make rockets howver [21:24:49] black gunpowder? [21:24:56] no [21:24:58] there are probably better fuels now [21:25:07] potassium nitrate is white [21:25:07] I made it back [21:25:07] nowadays I have 2-3 installs with around a 100 mods each :D [21:25:08] for rocket candy [21:25:09] Deddly, actually I'm just had some good advises from one article and used them. That's all. Not too much mod and no cheat mods at all. :-))) [21:25:15] but 1 component of the traditional gunpowder [21:25:39] one for RO, one for all kinds of stuff upon stuff and one with RO+principia [21:26:22] there must bea way to make it [21:26:30] anyway i have to sleep [21:26:36] piss on dry grass [21:26:43] lol [21:26:44] or scrape wet basements [21:26:47] Dmitry, that's nice. I will install KAS and KAC one day, but I still have a lot to learn in stock for now :) [21:26:48] yeah, sleep, that was it-> [21:26:50] or buy on internet [21:28:13] I have to go. See you around, Dmitry and all [21:28:39] See you too! [21:28:47] Bye, all! :-) [21:29:38] Time to take this KSP game to the next level. [21:30:17] Send ALL planets enough parts to make Station Science research [21:32:03] That way I may get enough CPU heat to keep my hands warm [21:39:45] https://www.inverse.com/article/40199-spacex-dragon-capsule-photo [21:40:40] madmerlyn: looks like new. Only needs a fresh coat of paint [21:40:52] that capsule has been to the ISS twice [21:41:06] and the F9 that put it there was also on its second launch :D [21:49:29] huh, NASA is creating galactic GPS by using X-rays from pulsars as reference points :P [21:53:23] that's kinda easy to do [21:53:38] and everyone has been using stars to locate stuff for a long time [22:03:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:12:06] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/402585716388921346/26030824_1744603665569879_338459780_n.png [22:12:22] madmerlyn: that's on the Voyager plaques, IIRC. My wife has it on her office wall. [22:12:45] what? [22:12:48] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque#/media/File:Pioneer_plaque.svg [22:12:50] Pioneer, sorry. [22:17:56] cat: "I Shall rule the world, and you shall bow to me every needs.... as soon as I catch the red dot..." [22:27:00] ve2dmn: my cat already caught the red dot......thus my enslavement :( [22:39:09] There we go: https://i.imgur.com/pO77yLe.png Any suggestions? [22:40:22] more boosters? [22:40:37] Where? [22:41:12] (Also, it'll be an ion powered craft. No spectacular boosters in space) [22:41:23] Hence the blue trail [22:55:40] Man, the F9 rocket is so long [22:56:02] For some reason that looks aesthetically pleasing [22:58:11] uh I cannot find a good picture of a f9 next to a ariane 5 to scale [22:58:26] I mean the f9 looks smaller but it's actually taller than the ariane [22:58:31] because of the proportions [22:58:39] the ariane 5 looks bulky [23:00:42] http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/26/261F92A200000578-0-image-a-8_1424976313097.jpg [23:01:10] that's an ariane 4 [23:01:21] dunno why anyone would refer to this one, it's not used anymore [23:02:08] Woops, I confused the Atlas with the Ariane [23:02:15] Action: APlayer is embarassed [23:02:24] lel [23:02:43] none of that orange foam nonsense on the ariane [23:03:06] https://i.redd.it/mj93lguzsq2x.jpg try that instead [23:04:02] humans for scale https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/402598789178851348/DSC_5977.JPG [23:04:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/402598991650619402/DSC_5989.JPG [23:05:36] Something about standing right below a launch vehicle engine seem distressing to me [23:05:52] it's a fun experience [23:07:50] This is a reserved place. People are not supposed to be there. :P [23:08:43] Also, my launch utterly failed [23:09:05] there was also a ariane 1 with a missing engine [23:10:16] Also, I only now figured I have way too much MP on this upper stage [23:10:30] Enough for 15 minutes of straight thrusting [23:10:59] So much for eyeballing [23:13:50] it's ksp [23:14:02] you are not supposed to do crap like using a calculator [23:14:21] KSP needs to be more realistic by having more math [23:14:32] your upper stage is abviously there to put your sat in orbit around jool [23:14:59] My upper stage barely achieves LEO [23:15:15] Also, there is no Jool in my KSP install as of now [23:16:04] Also, where is the fun if you don't use calculators? [23:17:01] Woah, removing 2/3 of the MP gives me another 100 m/s of dV [23:17:07] +1 for more math [23:17:19] So this thing is not as bad as I thought [23:19:18] Anyway, I am off for today... See you guys! [23:27:32] https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-booster-rocket-nearly-smashes-213100778.html [23:29:06] "I love the mention of "highly toxic rocket fuel". It could be anything from kerosene to hydrogen and oxygen, and if you can drink liquid hydrogen or oxygen, more power to you. " [23:53:56] Fluburtur: I love the reference to fortune cookies considering it's an American invention [23:54:06] heh [23:54:07] yeah [23:54:54] There's a very nice TED talk on 'chinese food' around the world