[00:38:18] https://twitter.com/PicturesFoIder/status/996074592295845894 [00:38:19] https://t.co/3UFInAXWkh [00:38:51] uh [01:01:57] Blar. [01:05:47] Blaire? [01:06:17] Natalie. Tootie, and Jo [01:08:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:11:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:14:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:29:19] Action: maltesh shrugs. [01:29:31] https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/family-realizes-pet-dog-might-174149755.html - "I think Fido may actually be Baloo..." [04:25:03] Ever take a picture blindly and it turns out awesome? The wallpaper I'm using now is one of mine. https://i.gyazo.com/5d2bfca11c1dbfbff3f087aec89a9a3f.jpg [06:15:21] hehe, uses ksp to demonstrate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfc2Jg1gkKA [06:15:22] YouTube - Why Single Stage to Orbit rockets SUCK. The wacky history and future maybes of SSTOs [06:15:43] i think he underestimates the engineering and practical issues causes by staging [06:32:46] SSTOs would be way more practical if we could launch them off a big electric track hovering in the stratosphere I think [06:33:22] you can probably build a decent small-scale ssto with current tech [06:37:16] actually [06:38:17] first atlases [06:38:34] were almost an ssto [06:41:33] you could put a reeeeeally tiny payload on top of a falcon 9 or delta 4 and fly it as an SSTO, I'm pretty sure [06:42:46] ariane center core with double engines would be a nice ssto [06:43:25] falcon 9 is just short [06:44:12] small sstos that use some launch assist or atmosphere could be built much easier, though [07:03:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ZZZ' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:59:11] Howdy! [08:06:51] TheKosmonaut: ya on? [08:16:53] BadRocketsCo: sorta, wassup [08:44:25] TheKosmonaut: nvm, ya already saw it :D [09:16:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:58:33] Howdy yall [12:01:46] HI [12:01:54] hi bot [13:33:31] hehe, what news "American Airlines is making it very clear: Insects, goats and hedgehogs cannot be brought on planes as emotional support animals." [13:39:12] aww I won't be able to bring my pet flea ;p [13:41:19] what is an amotional support animal anyway [13:41:27] if you are too afraid of flying, just dont [13:42:20] ferretsm spiders, chickens and hawks are also banned [13:43:55] I don't know how you'd manage to flush your goat down the toilet before your flight though ;p [13:44:15] you can just let the hawk go [14:00:10] Althego: Want a partial explanation of what a support animal is or... maybe you don't care? [14:00:37] i read it in the article. it is not for flying but general psychological illnesses like depression [14:01:04] The cases I heard were more like Autism or Panic Attacks [14:01:25] panic attacks were also mentioned in the article [14:01:48] but i dont think anything similar exists in europe [14:01:58] But the distance in North America means that you have the choice between a 5h flight or a 30h train... [14:02:16] ... *if* there is a train. [14:03:14] train would be good if done japanese style. say 400 km/h at least and no lenghty checkin process [14:03:16] Which is why it's a thing that people are a bit more deperate to try and bring their pet on flights.... Whether it is a true support snimal or not [14:03:26] you lose a lot of time with the airport just because they have stupid rules [14:03:52] The Economic insentive for a Shinkansen or a TGV are just not there right now [14:05:59] It's a combination of too low density, car culture and barrier to entry [14:06:23] yes, people have cars, so there is no public transport so they need to have cars [14:06:58] And building a train requires a lot of investment and maintenance in train tracks... [14:07:16] Most of the train in North America are 'renting' cargo train rails [14:07:33] keeping planes running is not easy, and you need airports too [14:07:46] meaning they don't have priority [14:08:18] True, but the difference between the 2 right now is: one is current and the other is a ricky investment [14:08:24] risky* [14:10:53] There was a private firm trying to build a Shinkansen (buying the trains from Japan) in Texas, but it fails from a combination of lack of investement (too risky, high interest), no right-of-way everywhere, and opposition to things like noise and construction [14:14:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:16:04] Althego: This ride takes 46h: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Amtrak_Empire_Builder.jpg [14:16:51] The flight is 4h and cost 200USD for the trip [14:17:45] 500USD if you take a not-cheaper airline [14:17:55] (round-trip) [14:18:55] If you drive instead of taking the train it's a 31h straight [14:19:01] lol [14:19:07] that just means it is a bad tran system [14:19:08] (2k miles) [14:19:23] i heard in germany you cant really beat the train with car [14:19:31] at least for long distances [14:19:35] you can't [14:19:47] long distances with car is a ton of wasted time and you arrive tired [14:20:08] Truga: define 'long distance' :) [14:20:19] 100km+ [14:20:22] ok germany is not that big [14:20:27] as usa [14:20:44] on train you can read or work or whatever, and it's a shorter trip because trains are faster [14:20:49] when the infrastructure doesn't suck [14:20:59] see, ICE, shinkansen :v [14:21:02] I wish this was the case here.... sadly... [14:21:16] I've taken the Shinkansen. It's awesome [14:21:17] *see: [14:21:27] shinkansen is on a whole nother level [14:21:29] and it is 60s technology [14:21:31] it's basically plane speeds [14:21:35] i cant imagine what they could do now [14:21:36] the newer ones anyway [14:21:39] Uh, as a German: A 500km trip is usually more convenient by car than by train for us [14:21:48] it's more convenient, yes [14:22:03] Truga: TGV is 0.1% faster, but the shinkansen has a lot more traffic [14:22:05] but now you have teslas :) [14:22:30] Althego there's that video where they hit 500 or 700km/h or some similar silly number [14:22:35] a couple years back I wanna say [14:22:42] probably 500 [14:22:45] yeah [14:22:48] I think it's 500 [14:23:00] it's a new track between osaka/tokyo I thin [14:23:02] k [14:23:25] Truga: you are thinking of the Maglev which isn't in operation until 2050 [14:23:35] LOL 700 km/h would be a Mach 0.6 train [14:23:51] if it is maglev, it could do that [14:24:28] but on tracks, the fastest i have seen a few years back was a tgv around 570 km/h [14:24:41] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/21/japans-maglev-train-notches-up-new-world-speed-record-in-test-run [14:24:45] nice [14:24:49] 603km/h [14:24:52] hi. [14:24:54] I installed mechjeb but it does not work [14:24:59] 603 km/h [14:25:03] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCMaglev [14:25:19] Luelmo: "Does not work" is too vague for us to help you... [14:25:32] "Installed mechjeb" is, in fact, too. [14:25:58] Luelmo: can you be more specific? Are there no MJ parts ingame (particularly in sandbox)? [14:26:00] tokyo <-> nagoya by 2027 apparently [14:26:01] Luelmo: screenshot or logs would help, as well as a complete description of symptoms [14:26:04] that's pretty soon :v [14:26:10] I do not get the mod in the game [14:26:25] How did you install it? [14:26:27] Did you unzip the mechjeb folder into GameData? [14:26:35] yes [14:26:48] What KSP and MechJeb versions? [14:27:14] i hace a squad expansion [14:27:16] I think the first instruction should be to reset everything to what it was before you started touching your KSP install, and get CKAN. [14:27:17] have [14:27:23] Luelmo: so people might not agree with me, but I prefer to use a Mod Manager like CKAN to install/unistall mods. [14:27:48] mechjeb 2 2.7.3.0 [14:27:50] never not manage your packages [14:28:22] Not sure about the expansion, never used it and no idea if the game infrastructure changes from that [14:28:33] ok [14:28:46] except when you dont have any :) [14:28:48] In normal KSP, I'd suggest you make a fresh install with only MJ, and try again [14:29:05] I will try to remove the expansion [14:29:29] thank you [14:29:53] rip expansion [14:30:09] Heh [14:31:00] I'm moderately sure that a MJ version works with the expansion, but am unsure if the main release does. [14:31:22] (or with 1.4.x) [14:35:15] The version they mentioned seems to be 1.4 compatible [14:35:58] it's probably just a case of installing incorrectly [14:36:01] Truga: I've check and the last time we had 'higher speed' (200km/h) train service... was in 1982 [14:36:03] which is why [14:36:05] never not manage your packages [14:37:46] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAC_TurboTrain [14:37:53] Choo choo [14:37:56] uac, hehe [14:38:13] Desert TTD [14:38:14] https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/7/7b/ClassicUACLogoclear.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170103124212 [14:38:48] Kalpa: OpenTTD ftw [14:39:05] haha [14:39:10] the gas turbine loco [14:39:27] nto a bad idea for a train [14:39:28] yep. This was the 1960s [14:39:29] do those still exist? [14:39:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:39:48] although a diesel engine is easier to maintain [14:39:51] Althego unfortunately it isn't that good idea either [14:39:52] yeah [14:39:56] Of course not. Trains died in North America [14:40:37] and since the engine size is not really an issue for a train [14:40:43] you can use diesel [14:40:59] jets aren't even terribly efficient at sea level :p [14:41:10] not jet, turboshaft [14:41:30] well, that [14:41:38] The first TGV prototype, TGV 001, was powered by a gas turbine [14:41:47] but all gas turbines are really complicated in practice and very pricy [14:42:11] they also dont operate on stoichiometric ratio, since most of the air jost goes through to cool it [14:42:16] this is more insane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbojet_train [14:42:28] yes, so kerbal [14:42:36] i think there was one with a push prop too [14:43:11] Truga: but Diesel-Electric locomotives are the backbone of Train operations in North America [14:43:15] but yeah, gas turbines makes sense when you want to lower weight, footprint or both [14:43:17] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schienenzeppelin [14:43:27] but retain high power [14:43:43] in locos size isn't really an issue, and being heavier is usually actually a good thing so :v [14:43:52] Truga: I have enough Fun installing package managers to install package managers for work porpoises. [14:44:04] I have removed the expansion and neither can you pass me another mechjeb? I think what is missing is the .dll that is inside plugins [14:44:19] heh, sudo apt-get install pip. pip install -U pip [14:44:25] lol [14:45:09] Luelmo IMHO get CKAN and use that [14:45:18] https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/releases [14:45:28] ^ [14:45:33] it's a ksp mod manager/downloader/thing [14:45:43] then you find mechjeb, click the checkbox, click install [14:45:44] done [14:45:46] ok, ckan [14:45:52] and any of the other 3 billion mods [14:46:01] Luelmo: do you know what a mod manager is? [14:46:19] a guy who oversees the activities of moderators :) [14:46:50] Althego: npm install is-odd [14:46:51] https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/886zji/why_has_there_been_nearly_3_million_installs_of/ [14:46:54] :D [14:47:11] I would laugh if it wouldn't be so sad [14:47:24] Althego: sudo apt-get install relevant-xkcd [14:47:26] ve2dmn I think so [14:47:35] yes there was one a few weeks ago [14:47:48] these python people are just obsessed with virtualenvs [14:48:05] Luelmo: then I suggest you use one if you are having trouble installing Mechjeb. [14:48:17] ve2dmn: uh, there's a python3-xkcd [14:48:30] Also note that you could make multiple copies of the KSP folder itself [14:48:43] Where did I download the ckan from? [14:48:50] https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/releases [14:49:07] thnx [15:00:49] Maybe we should but the same tech support recommandation somewhere we can point to... like tips to make screenshots and the location of various logs of KSP... Maybe the wiki? [15:01:30] Because I can never remmember the location of the logs -_- [15:02:16] hehe [15:03:09] ve2dmn [15:03:09] you are God, it works, and I'll try some other mods more [15:03:36] Luelmo: you can thank Truga too [15:03:52] i have no merit [15:04:11] thank you all. Truga thanks [15:04:40] ciao [15:07:53] Fluburtur: a plan on rails! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbojet_train [15:08:00] plane* [15:08:09] ah yes those good ol rocket trains [15:08:42] The first TGV prototype, TGV 001, was powered by a gas turbine... but not a turbojet [15:08:59] turbines are very good power plants [15:09:03] some tanks have turbines [15:09:25] very efficient in a certain rpm range so you can use them to drive agenerator there [15:09:40] Diesel-electric? yes. Like I mention 15min ago, it's the backbone of cargo trian in North America [15:09:49] trains* [15:10:24] somehow strangely trains and ships were hybrid long before cars [15:11:22] because they don't care about weigh as much? [15:11:25] (or size) [15:11:41] because they actually care about efficiency and such? [15:16:25] hehe. i salvaged the sarcasm coprocessor from it for crispin. yeah, it works great. [15:16:30] a direct to track drive on a train would be a losing proposition [15:16:39] you'd either be slipping or destroying your clutch :v [15:16:53] Or both [15:16:57] yeah [15:17:22] electromotors have none of these issues, so you drive a generator instead [15:17:29] bonus, you can use those same motors to slow down [15:17:57] anyway... it take 20years to build 10km of Metro here, so I don't expect a High speed train anytime soon [15:18:02] haha [15:18:19] it only takes one communist revolution for things to change rapidly :v [15:21:43] proof: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Metro_Montreal_Evolution.gif [15:21:58] well [15:22:11] with metros it's also a question of need tbh [15:22:15] weew slower to build than the parisian one [15:22:47] until you have a large enough density of people in an area, it's probably better to just keep adding more buses? [15:23:04] probably [15:23:14] and the parisian soil is soft so not hard to dig there [15:23:31] Buses don't run well when the sun isn't out for reasons I've never understood. [15:23:58] modern buses are just prone to breaking down for random reasons [15:24:01] UmbralRaptor: our Metro stop between 01:00 and 5:30 [15:24:18] I live in a small town, and our old buses were loud, slow and very environmentally unfriendly but [15:24:29] they ran for like 40 years without as much as a hitch [15:24:42] these brand new mercedes ones break basically weekly :v [15:25:16] ve2dmn: eg: KC has nothing on most lines after 17:00 [15:25:57] DC (well, Fairfax) is better, with the last one being ~20:00-22:00 [15:26:12] "If I make you breakfast in bed, a simple Thank You will suffice. None of this How did you get in my house business. So rude" [15:26:21] (much earlier or non-existent on weekends) [15:26:27] Truga: density overlaid with Metro (and train) map of the city: http://i.imgur.com/uaqtI.png [15:26:45] Fluburtur: Free waffles? [15:26:53] not great but not terrible either I guess? :v [15:27:08] Note that the north train is really crappy... [15:27:38] ... it runs every hour or so and take MORE time than taking the bus to get downtown [15:28:13] And the extention to the Blue line (north) was promised in 1985... [15:28:17] I'm still waiting [15:28:20] UmbralRaptor so you won't kick me out when I come to your house with breakfast? [15:28:37] https://78.media.tumblr.com/d1423587c70a3b0cb8c51f016c422e3a/tumblr_o0upgkPkQP1qftzyfo1_540.jpg [15:29:08] nice [15:30:09] the blue line Metro are only half the size of the stations because the traffic never materialised.... because it was 1 station short of a VERY big boulevard [15:31:28] (one where you can see 4 buses back-to-back going in both direction at rush hours every 5 mins) [15:32:18] https://78.media.tumblr.com/693ab5d4055be30046814c5a8d94a4a1/tumblr_o76nba2cre1rg0baeo1_500.jpg [15:33:37] Action: ve2dmn is just angry because he would save 20-30min of transit every day [15:36:32] Every time I watch The Expanse, i soon after play Children of a dead earth [15:37:10] Then I consider making a war campaign in the style of CoDE and Expanse in KSP [15:37:16] That'd be sick [16:09:25] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/445980994777120790/20180515180849_1.jpg [16:09:30] the yak 3p is so good [16:19:05] https://i.redd.it/ggrm62r470y01.png [16:20:08] ve2dmn: you have to admit that this may be a bit too much for this channel [16:20:35] You're right [16:21:32] (it's funny nonetheless ;) [16:35:11] All necessary comments were kindly provided by Mat2ch already. ;-) [16:52:12] "we apologize for the inconvenience" [16:52:21] --Douglas Adams [17:16:24] that makes sense https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/445997865479831552/20180515191346_1.jpg [17:30:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:38:04] Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SVBqCBzmpU [17:38:04] YouTube - Hybrid Jet Engine [17:38:34] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/446003371984420875/20180515193728_1.jpg [17:58:38] if scott is saying it, it is happening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtaGQuVyp90 [17:58:39] YouTube - Autonomous Flying Robot to Join Nuclear Powered, Laser Armed Robot On Mars Road Trip [17:59:16] still more 2.5 years until i can see that helicopter flying [17:59:21] or rather hear from it [18:09:45] real piloting there https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/446011154704367636/20180515200744_1.jpg [18:09:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/446011180444680223/20180515200819_1.jpg [18:10:22] hehe nice [18:10:57] the war thunder replay thing is crap however [18:11:08] but I did get one kill [18:11:18] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/446010204639723520/20180515200417_1.jpg [18:11:25] mid war prop plane vs end war jets [18:11:32] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/446010173681696788/20180515200355_1.jpg [18:11:33] hrm, 2 to 3 minutes of flight time by a single days sun light [18:11:41] so how long are they going to charge between flights? A week? [18:12:02] the channel rules always remind me of turd polishing mythbusters episode. where they talk about what the yare allowed to say. so one mentions they can say crap twice. the other replies with crap. and than they cant say it anymore :) [18:12:05] Also did you know that Boeing and Rolls Royce are participating in the Skylon project? [18:12:15] or was that the fan hitting episode? i am not sure [18:14:54] hehe, new muskwatch [18:15:06] these guys are so silly [18:15:59] 220 watts of power for a heli isn't too bad [18:16:08] mine probably uses as much [18:16:19] also scott pls stop saying the D word [18:18:06] D word? [18:18:48] yes [18:19:08] Delta? [18:19:17] no the other [18:19:44] deadpool? [18:19:47] Dv ? [18:20:07] no in the video from scott [18:21:29] Drama? [18:23:00] no [18:24:13] A male bee? [18:24:20] yes [18:24:24] when used for rc stuff [18:24:34] and crpa that isn't supposed to be called that [18:25:06] drone? [18:25:10] yes [18:25:16] man that took long [18:25:30] I don't like this word [18:26:44] There is no precise definition for *that* use [18:27:10] then I can make up one [18:27:19] yes [18:27:26] and I don't even need to v [18:27:28] http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-drone.html [18:27:43] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/drone [18:28:44] for me it is a word that lost its meaning because idiots kept using it ithout knowing anything abotu what they were talking about and still got it wrong [18:28:54] and they probably don't know about bees either [18:29:03] lol [18:29:13] well... originally it was for insects... [18:29:45] Fluburtur, you mean it should be used for autonomous vehicles only? [18:29:59] no [18:30:06] especially not for them [18:30:28] em, then for what? [18:30:28] because then you can use UAV and it makes more sense because peoples throw the D word at everything [18:30:32] for bees [18:30:46] ok, except bees [18:31:04] like when they say it you don't know if they mean some rc car, plane, heli, multirotor or probe on another planet [18:31:05] also why not anyway? [18:31:19] oh [18:31:20] borg drones? [18:31:30] so you just need a bit more clarity in that [18:31:31] corporate drones [18:31:39] ve2dmn, that's bees lol [18:31:49] the guy in the article I posted does a good job at explaining all that [18:32:13] also sounds like some elaborate swearing - if you recall the bee drone life cycle [18:32:42] The only thing I know about drones is when there are too many of them, I have to spawn more overlords [18:32:49] nah peoples will just think you are calling them a terminator [18:32:58] like the early ones that were like tanks [18:33:04] ve2dmn, i suggest reading a bit about that [18:33:52] Gasher: I would, but I need additional pylons [19:42:56] Action: APlayer stares at Hofstadter's and Parkinson's laws [20:16:19] https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1385341529 [20:56:30] http://www.awakenakira.com/ [21:01:19] UmbralRaptor: that sounds like a great idea to me [21:02:44] how to spice up a Tuesday? awaken Akira! [21:03:54] This is sure to cause no problems whatsoever. [21:04:49] The video is nice. Akira, not as you saw it, but as you remember it. [21:07:33] mrBlaQ: at least Esper still exists. [21:40:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:57:08] ve2dmn: but if earth is flat, why would all the other planets be not-flat? [21:59:14] they didn't get the memo [22:12:26] Yes, but what about the fact that this is totally plausible: https://i.imgur.com/NRgMyWw.png [22:12:42] Look at that, how is that not occam's razor approved? [22:31:23] of course earth is concave. just look at your shoes. they wear out on the front and the back first [22:40:52] vweeeee [22:41:23] so.. rocket powered jump pod.. as opposed to jetting around on plane wheels.. a little more challenging, but .. seems to work. [22:42:22] also, ugh so many crew report/waypoint things.. but no plane parts.... [22:47:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:28:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:28:29] Evening, Gentlemen. [23:36:31] wow, such name-calling! [23:44:50] Good Evening