[00:10:59] https://i.gyazo.com/ba4ed09b5ce1512887ba7e5a8303ce1b.png [00:11:03] I have two bases on the mun and one under construction [00:11:48] I should probably hurry up and actually leave kerbin SOI for once [00:14:28] This save is still on 1.2.1 [00:26:38] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: To maintain compliance with galactic law, the Earth will be subjected to complete sterilization. We apologize for any inconvenience. [00:30:14] well, that shouldn't be a problem [00:30:21] we all moved to the Prime Material some ages ago [00:31:35] a wild kv2 in its natural habitat https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/435234468110925827/20180416021459_1.jpg [00:32:18] Observe as the majestic tank enters the water to return to its spawning grounds. [00:32:35] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/435234502457950218/20180416021540_1.jpg [00:34:29] Its natural predator, the Heer assault gun, follows it hoping for a fresh meal following a hard winter. [00:35:29] Aha, I finally found it! http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/the_architecture_of_artificial_gravity_theory_form_and_function_in_the_high_frontier.shtml [00:38:02] Today in silly calculations: if stellar luminosity scales with M^4 (roughly applicable to AFGK stars), then orbital speed for an earth analogue scales with M^-0.5 [00:38:53] What, no love for Ms!? [00:39:00] So, uh, V-wise, interplanetary travel is harder around a low mass star. (Even if life support is less demanding) [00:39:27] M-dwarfs are confusing and scary. [00:40:05] Especially anything later than M1. [00:40:37] You say that now, but they eventually become less active . . . I think. [00:40:42] Action: Scolar_Visari glares at the flaring Proxima. [00:41:29] I think Prox Cen has significantly higher average x-ray luminosity than Sol. [00:42:12] It was briefly visible last week. [00:42:48] Yeah. Which is very, uh, impressive? scary? [00:43:17] Also: I suppose it's just as well interplanetary travel should also be easier around A and Fs given their larger habitable zones. [00:43:32] Also, you can't find good metallicity figures. (anything 0.2ish is an assumed value from Alpha Cen A and B) [00:45:50] Teehee http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/artificial_gravity_swimming_pool.shtml [00:46:39] I was inspired by a paper on arXiv (and I think a pop sci type magazine?) Saying that interstellar travel from places like Prox Cen and TRAPPIST 1 is barely possible. [00:48:16] Psht, you just stop by Alpha Centauri A and B instead. [00:49:49] Though where is this magazine article? [00:52:08] https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03698 [00:52:26] Scientific American, apparently. [00:52:49] It's, uh, pretty meh. [00:57:43] Wait . . . They're discussing interstellar escape with chemical rockets alone!? [00:58:26] \_()_/ [00:59:02] Please do not hijack starshot's lasers to vaporize them. [00:59:50] I'm hoping the author goes into detail about gravitational assist being the only reason Voyager didn't need a Saturn V. [01:00:45] I wish. [01:01:16] You know, in retrospect, I'd think, "Grand tours" of red dwarf star systems would be a rather frequent possibility given the inevitably short orbital periods. [01:01:34] Which would make subsequent interstellar missions much easier. [01:02:11] More importantly: WHY THE FIXATION ON CHEMICAL PROPULSION!? [01:03:18] Again, I don't know. [01:05:01] That's like discussing maritime commerce in the Atlantic in the context of single occupant row boats. [01:05:17] Possible? Yes. A good idea? Hells to the no. [01:06:51] Amusingly, the supposed SA article does reference several other articles co-written by Loeb. [01:09:00] Action: Scolar_Visari mutters something about a paper that looks like it took an hour to write at 2 am as a favor to someone. [01:09:33] Hah [01:13:32] Sort of like half the reviews I've red for nu Lost in Space. [01:13:40] I approve, however: It has a geth. [01:16:16] There was *another* reboot? [01:17:36] Yes, it's a series on Netflix now. [01:17:59] It stars a geth as Robot https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pjimage-4.jpg?quality=65&strip=all [01:21:11] Action: Scolar_Visari eagerly anticipates the live action adaptation of Consider Phlebas. [01:24:15] Are there any forum moderators that can change my forum name from Fryloespi to Frylovespi on account of fatfingeritis? [01:29:46] https://imgur.com/a/Hjtpq [01:29:46] https://i.imgur.com/W0hBmAy.jpg [01:31:14] I got tired of shuttling fuel and cargo from my immobile base to landed craft, so instead I built a mobile base [01:33:45] oren: That's why we need autonomous little propellant delivery drones. [01:36:47] Frylovespi: Please post in the nick change request thread on the forum [01:37:21] Scolar_Visari: well I tried to deliver a lot of fuel on each trip, but pictured is the fate of the munar megarefueler: https://imgur.com/rH8GefN [01:37:22] https://i.imgur.com/rH8GefN.jpg [01:37:22] thanks [01:37:25] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/110713-the-name-change-thread-warning-one-time-only/ [01:37:30] Frylovespi: sorry, here's the link [01:38:07] oren: Some one needs to get out and tip that over. [01:38:27] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders Skylab 2 and Salyut 7 level rescue missions in KSP. [01:39:39] much appreciated! [01:41:46] Weeee! https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pjimage-4.jpg?quality=65&strip=all [01:43:05] Frylovespi: Thanks, it will be fixed soon. I think those that *can* do the nick changes are sleeping right now [01:44:06] All good just glad I can change it. [01:45:46] Kosmonaut: Clearly we need a mod for ever time zone. [01:49:25] https://imgur.com/Y9xSX2E [01:49:25] https://i.imgur.com/Y9xSX2E.jpg [01:50:19] hooray \ouo/ the shortage of ore/fuel in munar orbit is over [01:51:42] Now you can build the fleet of ships needed to colonize Jool. [01:51:56] yeah [01:52:09] I have a space train ready for the flight to duna [01:52:33] laythe is next [01:53:21] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders https://www.amazon.com/future-world-agriculture-Disney-Center/dp/0717281426 [01:53:39] oren: Duna. Desert Planet. Source of all the Ike in the galaxy. [01:56:40] Scolar_Visari: published 1984 [01:57:05] I wonder how many "in the next 30 years" things will be horribly worng [01:57:56] Scolar_Visari: more like Squad staff [01:58:34] oren: Well, 3D printing replacing all manufacturing and The Singularity are already going awry. [01:59:21] I'm also hopeful that people in the future will look back at Reality Television as a phenomenon unique to the last decade. [02:03:58] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to the future. [02:22:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:01:02] So I took a picture of my SSD ...and noticed something strange. https://i.gyazo.com/46e6325c17a57299a1b9edc2cfeea022.jpg - The bottom is slightly bent...could that be caused by the lens on the camera? [03:03:50] Draconiator: the top is bent too [03:22:23] 8gb SSD?... Do you just store the OS on there? [03:22:26] just hold a ruler up to it to see [04:09:37] What do you want to bet that that "drive" is actually a compact flash or just 8GB of EEPROM. [04:11:33] an EEPROM drive... [04:11:35] Action: SnoopJeDi blinks [04:18:04] according to the data sheet... it has ~3600 IOPS... my 840 Evo has ~221,000 IOPS (capped at 94000 due to SATA) [04:19:03] and it has ~100MB/sec read, with 13MB/sec write... it sure sounds like a flash drive. [04:23:11] https://youtu.be/zpEVjU1niOM [04:23:11] YouTube - What do I do with an 8GB SSD [04:26:23] I never said it was useless... but it seems like a thumb drive in an enclosure. It has terrible R/W speed, terrible IOPS, no SMART capabilities, and has a horrible price per GB. [04:27:04] that's why I tested with a virtual machine first. how did you get the data sheet anyway? [04:27:54] i googled it :/ [04:28:06] https://www.king-dian.com/product/kingdian-s100-sata-ii-ssd-8gb/ [04:29:00] I bought it at Amazon for 8 bucks. heh. [04:30:40] yep. it works if you have an old desposable netbook that you don't really do anything productive on. [04:30:59] But you can get a 200GB+ drive for like 8x the price. [04:39:21] http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8320384 - here's my main potato. heh [04:43:35] Not sure if anyone's actually active here [04:44:05] 210 people are afk, i'm also afk. [04:47:05] I'm active [04:47:16] Guest52414, it's late at night in the US so many users are inactive [04:47:48] (plus the I in IRC is for "idle", hehe) [04:48:40] currently trying to bullsdoze my orver back upright using another rover [04:49:25] https://imgur.com/oUsj1Nv [04:49:25] https://i.imgur.com/oUsj1Nv.jpg [04:50:48] it'a not working [04:51:10] most of the time when i see that much of a mess of mods, with the MET in yellow due to physics lag... i physically cringe. [04:53:34] KrazyKrl: it's usially in green, that area of the mun has a lot of large spacecraft nearby [04:54:13] use a skycrane then? [04:54:30] klaw out the resources to make it lighter; then use a crane. [04:54:45] hmm, that could work [05:06:07] basically eveything is landed at the farside crater [05:07:16] it would probably actually be more efficient to land things in a highland area [05:07:47] I'm here, but am falling asleep...*yawn* [05:09:03] oh wait, the highlands don't have ore [05:09:10] i always wanted irc while sleeping :) [05:09:45] tess in 17.5 hours [05:14:39] https://imgur.com/M3ugwkb [05:14:39] https://i.imgur.com/M3ugwkb.jpg [05:15:09] varius stations, rovers, and things needing refueling are visible from orbit [05:17:17] why the heatshield? [05:18:04] Need to add this channel back to my autojoin. [05:18:24] Am I right in reading https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Science#Celestial_body_multipliers that "Low Mun Orbit" is if I'm under 60km? [05:19:20] yes [05:20:20] Althego: saves delta v when bringing people back to kerbin low orbit [05:22:17] but why is it open? and you dont need that huge one for kerbin [05:23:08] Althego: because this one has been to kerbin like twice already [05:23:15] https://imgur.com/hqAjuiK [05:23:16] https://i.imgur.com/hqAjuiK.jpg [05:23:32] most of my transmunar cargo craft have that one [05:26:12] Althego: also i's the only heat shield that is reusable over and over [05:27:27] well, except wings I guess [05:30:13] another secret: you dont need the heatshield from the mun at all [05:34:08] well, that depends on what parts you're using [05:40:42] current mission is taking 9 kerbals to the mun surface, minmus, and then back to kerbin [05:42:03] unfortunately I don't have any mining operation on minmus [05:43:40] could get away with a much smaller spacecraft [05:47:46] hmm. [05:51:48] well really all these craft are massively overengineered [05:52:54] Unless you're using RSO/RSS, ISRU is way overkill unless you're doing a round trip beyond Jool. [05:53:33] KrazyKrl: well in this case, I am mostly isruing rocketparts. [05:54:04] vast majority of my spacecraft are built on the munar surface or in munar orbit [05:55:17] since this is career, I save ridiculous amounts of money [05:58:48] I don't launch anything except SSTO kerbal-haulers from kerbin [06:09:37] https://imgur.com/4aMY6JA this has been one of my more dangerous flights into munar orbit [06:09:38] https://i.imgur.com/4aMY6JA.jpg [06:25:48] what mod is adding the overlay? [06:25:54] never seen it but looks handy :) [06:27:33] you mean the grid? navhud [06:31:59] nice one thanks oren [06:53:56] UmbralRaptor: This time there is serious asshole busy on the wiki. He deleted some major content, undoing his edits now. [06:54:38] Olympic1: language eh [06:55:05] sorry [06:56:05] wikifight [07:02:44] Wiki vandalism has been around since the bronze age [07:08:14] angone have links to the custom GUI styles that KSP uses in the API? [07:08:36] or names of the classes? [07:09:24] I know, but if you spend a lot of time updating it and someone else messes it up [07:14:41] Olympic1: everyone may be born with one, but some people get extra one later on :( [07:15:25] Rolf: speak for yourself [07:15:40] wow so you are anus free? [07:17:50] Rolf: just like dear leader [07:18:05] yay! lol [07:18:33] I also score -55 in golf [07:19:06] Hullo [07:19:08] And often fight dragons on mountains [07:19:11] BadRocketsCo: hi [07:19:22] BadRocketsCo: the Estonian flag still flies at work [07:19:27] Yaaay! [07:19:29] And one customer was Estonian [07:19:36] He was quite happy to see the flag [07:20:03] sidenote: there are two kinds of animals, during gastrulation (when embryo is only few cells) a whole forms, that can be later the mouth or the anus, humans fall in the category which starts with an anus [07:20:40] at that developmental stage this is the only feature on the embryo. most people grow out of this phase :) [07:21:56] yep! lol [07:27:05] BadMobileRockets: badinternetco [07:33:13] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:52:27] School wifi ftw... [07:53:09] \o/ [07:53:19] My school'z wifi is actually pretty good [07:57:48] Lucky you :D [08:07:10] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/985654333860601856 this thread [08:07:10] <elonmusk> This is gonna sound crazy, but & [08:09:06] ya [08:09:25] inflatable heatshield? [08:09:26] he later says its already retroburn to avoid being a satelette [08:09:32] besides that no detail [08:09:51] im guessing it burns on way down then it releases ballon to save expensive stuff [08:10:07] the question is, do they try to demonstrate this with the tess? [08:10:27] the engine is the expensive thing [08:13:40] Hmm, that's interesting. [08:14:07] https://i.redd.it/ej61ka2j75s01.jpg [08:14:16] Althego: if it could turn around and nose down to burn [08:14:22] engines would be fine [08:14:31] I'm guessing they will use something along the lines of a inflatable air bag to soften the landing [08:14:37] ow mean cat [08:14:39] In a near vacuum, it wouldn't take much gas to inflate a huge weather balloon, and that would drastically increase drag in the upper atmosphere [08:14:40] i think thechnically it could turn around [08:14:48] Not very accurate landing though... [08:14:51] and the only place to put heatshield is on the top anyway [08:15:44] Using a balloon at high altitude would mean that the upper stage could be carried ANYWHERE with upper atmo winds [08:15:56] What about if the entire stage is put inside this balloon? [08:16:40] The balloon and the bouncy castle are one [08:16:47] maybe [08:16:57] Hmm. That'd be interesting. But I doubt it. [08:17:04] BadRocketsCo, depends how big it is, surely. [08:17:22] (Re your comment above) [08:19:10] True. I mean, It doesn't sound IMPOSSIBLE. [08:19:17] so who knows. [08:19:23] Would be a cool thing to pull off. [08:19:53] i think the bouncy castle is a ship [08:20:06] similar to the net catcher thing [08:20:10] mr whatever [08:20:48] Yeah but how would an accurate landing with a balloon would be made? [08:21:08] err...discard the complete grammatical nonsense in that sentence... [08:21:11] yeah they do retroburn to control where but nowhere as accurate as lowers is [08:21:29] friend's playing in science mode and messaged me "how do I repair my space center?" [08:21:44] I wonder if they could use something along the line of wings instead. [08:21:51] Inflatable wings...hmmm [08:23:31] It'd be cool to make the upper stage like a mini shuttle instead. [08:24:30] Could test out ideas for the BFR on a smaller scale and stuff. [08:24:42] some things dont scale well [08:24:47] like bouncy landings [08:24:53] see mars rovers [08:25:14] ok probably landing on water is better in this case [08:44:44] Technically. BFR is a smaller scale version of what he initially proposed. [08:49:31] it is still the big f rocket :) [08:56:52] Hmm. It's been a long time since I built boats in KSP. I used to use wing parts but of course that doesn't work anymore. [08:57:17] The MkIII fuselage seems to be really draggy [09:05:38] Deddly: I wish ekranoplan were doable [09:07:52] What's that? [09:10:01] Deddly: oh. It was a cold-war era design. A hybrid boat plane thing [09:10:53] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-90_Orlyonok [09:11:02] Here's an example. [09:13:03] If you don't mind using Kerbal Foundries, you can make one using the repulsors: https://puu.sh/zPfeo/7e43baa5ac.jpg [09:13:26] Works on land too [09:22:06] Oh, ground effet [09:22:11] Yes, very cool [09:28:34] Don't mind the shiny custom engines in the screenshot, those perform exactly the same as stock panthers [09:55:40] Am I calculating this correctly? Fuel use is 2. Fuel capacity is 60,000. Should last 8.3 hours, correct? [10:00:58] ...and at 50 m/s I can travel 1,440,000 metres in 8 hours, right? [10:01:26] So... that's enough to get me a third of the way around Kerbin [10:02:31] fuel use is 2/second? [10:02:52] yeah [10:02:55] sounds about right [10:03:24] you could probably get around cheaper by flying higher/faster? [10:03:26] more wing etc [10:04:28] Flying higher isn't really an option for a boat ;) [10:04:48] oh [10:04:50] rip [10:04:59] I want to build a boat that can get all the way around the planet without refuelling [10:05:00] 50m/s is awfully high for a boat :v [10:05:44] Deddly: I want to see pics of this boat [10:06:07] I have been meaning to make a boat/freighter that can be used to "recover" SRBs [10:06:20] At quarter thrust I can go 25 m/s, so I can double the range by just going slower [10:06:25] Using KAS for a sort of crane / winch [10:06:34] Deddly: how big is she [10:06:37] TheKosmonaut, It's just a skeleton at the moment for testing [10:07:04] You know the longest MkIII fuel tanks? [10:07:25] It's about 4 of those in length [10:10:40] Hmm [10:17:53] Hmm. Forgot my imgur login [10:18:59] Deddly: deddlydedd password: Hunter3 [10:19:47] Ah yeah, thx [10:20:27] TheKosmonaut, just a test rig, but here it is: https://imgur.com/a/kbZKL [10:20:28] https://i.imgur.com/3oOvTZM.png [10:21:03] Mmm [10:21:13] Looks almost catamaran like now [10:22:29] hehe [10:22:31] Hunter3 eh [10:23:37] It's supposed to be a catamaran [10:24:28] I'm hoping to give it a flat deck for vehicles to travel on. [10:24:40] It's a transporter [10:27:25] Hmm, it can carry 4 of those MkIII tanks [10:27:53] And it can still go 40 m/s [10:28:55] ;wa 40 m/s to kts [10:28:56] TheKosmonaut: convert 40 m/s (meters per second) to knots: 77.75 knots [10:29:45] Fast boat [10:31:37] 55 hours at 19 m/s. How far does that take me? [10:31:47] 3.8 million m? [10:32:13] you can maybe complete my challenge then [10:32:20] ;wa 55 hours at 19m/s [10:32:22] Eddi|zuHause: 55 hours19 m/s (meters per second): 3.76210^6 meters [10:32:36] If that's correct, this will actually get around the equator of Kerbin, if there were no land in the way [10:32:51] Fluburtur, I think your challenge is considerably longer than this [10:32:55] what's the challenge? [10:33:07] uh lemme find [10:33:18] Truga, follow the coast all around the planet, basically. Thin [10:33:26] Think Elcano challenge on steroids [10:33:28] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/435387218442321930/bordel2.png [10:33:40] heh [10:33:49] does flying count? :v [10:33:52] no [10:33:56] submarine or boat [10:33:58] lame [10:34:05] ell [10:34:07] well [10:34:11] ekranoplan is technically a boat.. [10:34:19] I clocked 1200km on submarine before I stopped [10:34:30] but I know where I stopped so I can start again [10:35:06] does the game simulate ground effect? [10:35:14] I think I might still hold the record because who wants to drive a sub around for 12 hours [10:35:18] nah [10:35:20] base game probably doesn't [10:35:23] FAR might? [10:35:48] my sub was nice because going at 100kph and had 1 hour of fuel [10:35:52] doesn't look like that does either [10:36:04] ekranoplan doesn't offer any benefit over a seaplane if not [10:36:06] so I had to refuel every hour and 100 km [10:36:13] made counting the distance easy [10:36:14] i know [10:37:00] refuelling a sub every hour kinda defeats the point? :p [10:37:08] it wasn't a big sub [10:37:16] and it was fun to drop refuel pods from a plane [10:37:34] how do you actually build a sub? i never had anything that didn't float [10:37:40] yeah FAR doesn't have it [10:37:43] lots of ore tanks [10:37:50] too bad [10:38:01] i've never reached ore tanks, actually [10:38:24] https://i.imgur.com/35Li1X2.jpg [10:40:14] it is still a bit lighter than water and wants to float rear up [10:40:28] but hydrodynamic control works very well [11:23:45] monoprop is heavier, i think [11:28:15] it is. [11:28:21] High dense fuel, low ISP [11:28:30] But on the other hand: Easy to store [11:28:41] and simplre engines [11:28:50] although not an issue in ksp [11:29:08] btw: Who plays RSS/RO? Why do so many monoprop engines have only one ignition? I thought having multiple ignitions with monoprop is easy? [11:34:44] that's weird because RCS thrusters run on monoprop [11:34:58] and they ignite dozens if not hundreds of times [11:35:42] H202 or hydrazine both decompose in contact with a catalyst [11:36:43] it's also a question of whether the engine can ignite itself more than once [11:36:53] most can't [11:39:33] Truga: there's no real "ignition" in a monoprop engine, though [11:42:09] yeah really it's a question of plumbing [11:42:47] That's what makes me wonder [11:43:03] there are many monoprop engines in RO, but only a few have more than 1 ignition. [11:46:39] k time to make another telescope adapter [11:53:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:21:02] I glued together the wing of the bush plane just now and im not sure I should put a spar [12:21:20] it is fairly large but I probably won't load it enough to break [12:21:28] and even if I do I can make new ones easily [12:34:52] "it probably won't break" is like a surefire way to provoke that it actually does break :p [12:35:09] I call that "stress testing" [13:22:58] I tried the adapter on my friend's newtonian telescope and it works just finre [13:23:18] not sure it will be able to focus on stuff very far away however [13:45:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:32:07] What would happen if we could take half of the Venus atmosphere and ship it to Mars? [14:32:44] ve2dmn, before the project even starts, massive budget overruns [14:34:09] And probably more boring flamethrowers... [14:34:43] but I'm not asking in the project sense. I'm curious if it would cool down Venus enough and heat Mars enough [14:35:06] that's not how any of that works [14:35:19] Which is why I ask [14:35:47] Action: ve2dmn knows that he knows nothing [14:44:45] :p [14:45:00] are there any good "Tourism for dummies" guides for this game? :p [14:50:24] Hyst: Stick with subortial tourist contract, they are easier (IMHO) [14:50:42] Once you got the hang of it, try Orbital contracts [14:53:41] i just avoid them [14:54:07] Truga: the suborbital ones are like easy early money [14:55:30] ve2dmn: uh, Mars low gravity can't hold atmosphere long in its place [14:56:32] we could try to get parts of Venus onto Mars until there's enough gravity to hold the atmosphere in place... [14:56:55] also it would solve the health problems we humans get in low gravity :D [14:58:04] Mat2ch: turn Venus atmosphere into solid, ship to Mars, profit? [14:58:20] Could work. :D [14:58:55] It would only take 100000 shipping container of a few millions Tons... [14:59:05] ...or a really big cannon [15:01:46] o/ [15:19:15] Mat2ch: isnt it not the low gravity, but lack of magnetic field? [15:25:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:28:40] bees: I'm not sure anymore. I could remember it incorrectly [15:30:33] what is this about? [15:30:37] mars? [15:31:03] Althego: What would happen if we could take half of the Venus atmosphere and ship it to Mars? [15:31:23] it would be stripped after a few million years [15:31:25] By whatever means [15:31:43] I think that's way too little removed from Venus, and way too much added to Mars. >_> [15:31:45] mostly because of the solar wind blowing it away [15:31:45] What would happen to Venus? [15:31:56] it would remain hot [15:32:07] venus is a teensy bigger than mars [15:32:12] and yes, half may be too much for mars [15:32:16] would it lose even 1% of the heat? [15:32:35] wait... that's not the right question [15:32:53] would the surface temperature change? [15:33:16] maybe not [15:33:23] I expect so, but I can't give any numbers. [15:33:39] Something something radiative forcing. [15:34:06] Greenhouse effect scales with the amount of gas, doesn't it? [15:34:17] but if the carbon dioxide atmosphere closed off some windows in thermal radiation, half of it probably still keeps it closed [15:34:24] What if you could take 1% of the mass of venus and ship it to Mars? [15:34:33] negligible [15:34:48] Deddly, that's a little bit of a simplified model. The proper description requires radiative transfer [15:34:50] that is maybe 10% increase? [15:34:51] (but yes) [15:35:01] I'm kinda more interested in how you'd move all that atmosphere [15:35:14] it's not just "is there gas here" it's also about how it's configured spatially [15:35:23] SnoopJeDi, yeah, oversimplified, but I mean... half the Venus atmosphere is surely going to cause a greenhouse effect wherever you put it [15:35:41] VanDisaster: with lots and lots and lots of imagination [15:35:46] Deddly, saying a thing is sure does not make it so, but it shouldn't be a hard calculation to do [15:36:03] I guess turn it into a solid and ship the solid to Mars? [15:36:59] shoot it to mars :) [15:37:01] ve2dmn, honestly, if you just want to heat Mars up by glutting the atmosphere with greenhouse gases, all you need to do is establish a human colony and the rest will happen automatically... [15:37:15] dry ice snowballs to mars [15:37:28] if you want to heat up Mars, I like Sagan's idea: paint the poles black [15:37:29] Deddly: I'm curious because Mars is too cold and Venus too hot [15:37:34] Sulfur hexafluoride! [15:37:37] isn't the martian atmosphere mostly co2 already? [15:37:51] ve2dmn, yup, and you are correct that it is due to the atmosphere [15:37:52] yes [15:37:57] Fluburtur: ~90%, yes [15:38:00] but it is very rare [15:38:11] there are huge deposits in the polar icecaps [15:38:13] UmbralRaptor, methane \o/ [15:38:17] so you dont need to move it from venus [15:38:22] And Mars has no magnetic feild, but Venus has... [15:38:28] methane is often generated by life on earth [15:38:37] some bacteria may be able to live there [15:38:56] Or you reduce all that iron and release the oxygen [15:38:57] suposedly you could make an artifical magnetic field in the lagrange point [15:39:03] that shields from the sun [15:39:07] so... why not take 10 millions years and try to terraform Venus [15:39:18] ve2dmn, Mars has a magnetic field, but not a very potent one [15:39:20] in 10 million years humans die out [15:39:25] one way or another [15:39:31] which is AFAIK an important factor in how the atmosphere bubbled away? [15:39:58] maybe I'm misremembering that, I'm not big on planetary geology beyond looking at gorgeous HiRISE photos [15:40:14] Action: ve2dmn I know nothing, which is why I ask [15:40:49] Every person who doesn't include caveats about magnetic fields preventing atmospheric sputtering should stare at Venus. [15:40:49] after insight we will know better [15:40:55] IIRC there's evidence of an ancient field but I'd have to poke at it some more [15:40:55] what was this disconnect [15:40:59] random googling suggests it was much stronger solar winds than now that did it [15:41:15] mars has a paradox [15:41:21] why was it much warmer in the past [15:41:25] spacex launch alter today apparently [15:41:27] iuf the sun was cooler [15:41:34] Althego I trust you to send the link [15:41:41] what [15:41:42] no [15:41:48] it will eb around midnigh [15:41:51] RoboFreak, counterpoint: it's only a paradox if you come at it with the anthropocentric mindset of a "static" Earth [15:42:18] it is actually one of the unresolved questions of mars geology [15:42:41] speaking of unresolved questions, did they ever work out a geologic process for that methane? I can't recall [15:42:57] not yet [15:43:05] they dont know the trace methane source [15:43:08] neat [15:43:17] curiosity and trace gas orbiter are working on it [15:43:49] but anyway, flub, look up the link for yourself [15:44:06] is your job [15:44:18] actually I might be out looking at stars then [15:44:26] eh idk [15:44:39] will tell my friend to watch then we go star watching [15:44:49] no link yet [15:49:53] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqhK8dA7iO8 i liked this talk [15:49:58] but this is 1 year old already [15:50:07] i think this mentionedthe faint young sun paradox [15:50:22] ah scott talks abouttess [15:50:27] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhHP6-GGeuI [15:50:27] YouTube - NASA's New Exoplanet Hunter is Using A Clever Orbit [15:50:34] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-0uBIYYKk [15:50:34] YouTube - TESS Mission [15:51:02] Live in 6 hours [15:51:18] http://nextrocket.space/ [15:51:26] I will be tired tomorrow, because it'll be not to late for me, but late enough to miss some sleep :D [15:51:41] hehe this must be unlisted [15:51:46] it wasnt there on the youtube page [15:52:10] I'll be in the Metro with no signal [15:52:15] hehe [15:52:27] in civilized places metro has correct 4g reception :) [15:52:32] ve2dmn: you obviously don't plan ahead enough. :D [15:52:43] Althego: or free Wifi! [15:52:51] that is even better [15:53:03] Maybe not [15:53:08] depends on the quality of the wifi [15:53:12] where I live we're lucky to get vdsl [15:53:16] Downtown is well covered with 4g, but I live in the part not covered [15:53:18] scott went up to mauna kea, so that idont have to [15:53:22] and any cellphone reception at all :p [15:53:39] there's a 30cm cube in one room I can use a cellphone in [15:53:55] 4g laff [15:53:58] VanDisaster: vdsl? Lucky person. :P [15:54:13] I at least live in a town! [15:54:16] the Telekom screwed up here. On one side of the street they've got vdsl, on the other we don't. [15:54:40] different local cabinets? [15:55:12] think we got adsl here in 2006 [15:55:19] I got overprice crappy ADSL [15:55:29] what it is, 2002? [15:55:38] bees: might as well be [15:55:38] 100mbit down 40mbit up \o/ [15:55:47] I have no idea. It was planned to be different 10 years ago. And since they screwed it up, nobody seems to care. [15:55:53] Tank2333: I hate you. Much. :D [15:56:01] we had 3g here outdoors for a while, that seems to have died too [15:56:05] ~50/50 here [15:56:14] wireless directional microwave [15:56:15] Yeah, they're replacing 3g stations with 4g stations [15:56:28] the seem to have replacd ours with an empty box then [15:56:35] *sigh* Telecom is the one thing I hate about this place [15:56:56] UMTS will die out, LTE will stay for a bit. They want to kill GSM, but there are so many devices depending on it still [15:58:10] btw isnt 5g very dependend on line of sight? [15:58:11] There is only 1 company offereing 100/100 fibre, but they only do so in Appartement/Condo complexs of 50 units or more [15:58:17] hehe, as far as i know the old ss7 protocol is a burden for providers, but they have to keep it [15:58:20] or doesnt it use a higher bandwidth [15:59:09] there's actually fttc here, they just don't want the hassle of redoing everyone's home installs... [15:59:16] I'm stuck with 20/20 [15:59:29] 20/20 vision :) [15:59:35] :) [15:59:50] i had 16/1 before switching to Vdsl [15:59:55] ve2dmn: at least yours doesn't vary wildly depending on time of day and weather conditions [15:59:59] VanDisaster: Bell Canada told everyone we would get FTTH... then they redefined the 'H' as 'Hub' a few months later [15:59:59] 40/10, fastest they offer :p [16:00:01] i am on fiber optics [16:00:05] heh [16:00:10] (to be fair, weather doesn't affect ours that badly) [16:00:12] not too big bandwidth though [16:00:20] I hae heared a lot about canadian telcoms over the years [16:00:44] ve2dmn lol [16:00:55] I wish I was kiding [16:02:53] where i live almost all isp are sharing the same infrastructure from the old state telecom company so we have like 4-6 competitors around where i live [16:03:15] sounds like "somewhere in europe" [16:03:26] middle of europe [16:03:31] can't wait for france's deregulation they just started on, that's going to be a riot [16:03:47] VanDisaster: bad france [16:03:54] Action: Arcan slaps france's hands [16:04:18] why riots? [16:04:23] Tank2333: We have 30 competitors, but 2 are know, and 28 are unknown [16:04:46] basically, we have Cable, Phone line or a resseler [16:04:48] 28 unkown? what [16:04:51] well the french do like rioting :P but so far any european deregulation has been a complete mess [16:05:12] well its the same here [16:05:27] I have the choice between 28 'other' ISP, but they are just reselling either the Cable or DSL service [16:05:31] here too, we just started in the 90s [16:05:33] the US is simultaneously adding more regulations and deregulating ISPs [16:05:36] since when does the EU deregulate [16:05:45] the end result being "a pile of crap" [16:06:17] then i only have 2 choices too :) [16:06:22] the eu is demanding member states open up practically everything a socialist state might centrally control, hence public transport, power, utilities, telco, blah [16:07:04] which is ok for me coz my country can't manage anything bigger than a pub [16:07:32] isnt privitisation going on for some decades now? [16:07:33] hehe [16:07:39] Tank2333: The think the big issue is the average person has not heard about any of these 'other' ISP... [16:07:40] lol [16:07:56] yeah, but it's been resisted by some places more than others [16:08:20] VanDisaster: I mean, I can honestly get behind anyone who runs a pub, even if it is the government [16:08:20] i watched a documantary aboutbritisch railway privitisation, genius work they did :) [16:08:37] yes, I lived through that [16:08:39] None of them managed to get big enough to offer true competition, sadly [16:08:49] VanDisaster: TBH, maybe people would like the government more: "Oh, they do a bang up job of running the pub down the street" ;) [16:09:05] This just seems funny to me [16:09:09] street-level devolution, I'll get behind that ;) [16:09:16] You are making me hungry with your pub stories [16:09:42] your political state is defined by the catchment area of the local [16:10:41] Speaking of pubs, I think I met a person who knows all of them within a radius of a few dozen km from here [16:10:52] hehe [16:11:12] there are several online pub databases, so you dont hav to remember [16:11:18] lol [16:11:36] place I grew up in has a population of about 20k [16:11:42] and Ithink back then had 37 pubs [16:11:54] Also, is it just me or is today TheKosmonaut's birthday? :-) [16:12:29] i saw a pup in Stuttgart a few weeks ago, [16:13:03] Stuttgart? That's close to where I live. :-) [16:13:29] luckily i havent been in germany for like 1.5 years [16:13:37] i went there for a 2 day trip [16:13:43] that is quite long considering the last 10 years [16:14:33] If you want beer, go to German pubs. Because all the other ones are counterfeit. :P [16:14:56] i visited with a friend the Mercedes museeum wich was quiete interresting and pretty big [16:15:28] i wish i would like drinking beer :) im a bad german [16:15:29] is that where there is one of those old tricicle cars? [16:15:51] they have a rebuild of the first ever car [16:15:56] that [16:15:58] or the benz one [16:16:20] Uh, I see something that I'd best describe as a homemade tricicle car every morning [16:16:27] "Engineering Explained" did a video on that [16:16:29] It's driving by my bus stop while I am waiting [16:17:18] ...maybe it's just me but do any of you know that moment when you describe an object and it seems to have two widths and no length [16:17:44] like it has two sides for which 'width' is more appropriate than 'length' [16:17:45] Happens with quadratic bases. :-) [16:18:03] they had some old stuff there that was powered by those engines, like bismarcks original private boat [16:18:37] BPlayer, well in a square it's irrelevant, but I have two wildly different widths here [16:18:41] in the early 1900s they put those engines in every thing [16:19:18] i knew i saw one of the science youtubers visit there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL_mJeb6O04 [16:19:18] YouTube - World's First Car! [16:20:35] http://cartype.com/pics/7991/full/daimler_engine_1.jpg [16:20:40] daimler i mean not benz [16:21:59] Althego yeah that was filmed by that museum [16:25:45] M [16:25:46] U [16:25:48] S [16:25:49] E [16:25:51] U [16:25:53] M [16:25:56] argh [16:26:00] we shouldnt hav done this [16:26:14] Tank2333: museum [16:26:17] shut up rokker [16:26:26] no [16:26:29] cant we have a rokker mausoleum? [16:26:44] so than tell how a real murican writes it [16:26:49] then? [16:26:53] than? [16:28:23] Tank2333: ? [16:28:44] i thought i was writing it wrong [16:28:48] nvm [16:31:00] Tank2333: I was just saying it cause it kings me [16:31:03] pings [16:31:08] oh [16:31:27] good to know [16:31:33] Rokker: most of the things that ping me are against this channel's rules [16:31:53] like? [16:32:06] Tank2333: lol, nice try [16:32:13] worth it [16:32:30] Tank2333: M U S E U M [16:32:43] i got it [16:33:07] mooseum [16:34:01] Althego: I kinda wanna visit the mooseum. cows are one of my favorite animals [16:34:01] on another note, did anyone watched ready player one? [16:34:05] might be fun [16:34:34] arent mosse elk like things? [16:34:38] moose [16:34:48] Tank2333: given that the movie is never as good as the book [16:34:52] and the book was not that great [16:34:58] lol [16:35:00] i'm not sure i want to [16:35:22] i mean, sure, the book was nerdy and interesting enough, i guess [16:35:29] Tank2333: exept thye wiegh tlike half a ton [16:35:46] Tank2333: the Mooseum isn't about mooses... [16:35:49] It's about cows [16:35:52] moo [16:35:55] moo-seum [16:36:26] https://imgur.com/aY3uoDS [16:36:26] https://i.imgur.com/aY3uoDS.jpg [16:36:29] if you hit a moose your car will be totally wrecked. so always look out for moose [16:36:31] in german a female moose is also a cow [16:36:49] also always expect ninjas [16:36:58] (cant hurt you to expect ninjas) [16:37:08] usaf? [16:37:32] i consistently use aluminium, because that is its name :) [16:37:44] ^ [16:37:53] Althego: alumium [16:37:58] Tank2333: yes, A female moose is called a cow [16:38:03] but cows are also called cows [16:38:05] so [16:38:11] yes but for americans it is aluminum [16:38:12] Althego: aluminum* [16:38:26] i will leave in your american ignorance [16:38:29] Rokker: alumium [16:38:32] leave you [16:38:57] oren: yes [16:39:15] Althego: it was called aluminum before it was called aluminium [16:39:21] aluminum is the older name [16:39:26] the better name [16:39:52] source? [16:39:58] Tank2333: USAF [16:40:01] well I mean really they should ditch the "ium" on alot of these elements [16:40:12] Tank2333: the source is the guy who discovered it [16:40:12] like why isn't it just uran [16:40:14] i thought Fox n Friends [16:40:16] and named it alumium [16:40:20] and then aluminum [16:40:40] and then some prick politician came along and said he thought it should be aluminium [16:40:40] in a lot of languages it's not uranium just uran [16:40:57] oren: because alum is already a thing [16:41:03] we call it Uran [16:41:18] alum is literally the thing aluminum is synthesized from, oren [16:41:32] Rokker: oh. [16:41:34] not sure maybe the guys inventing the names wanted to sound hip and use latin [16:41:40] it is urn here, so pretty much the same [16:42:08] Rokker i thought it was Bauxit [16:42:15] hehe that too [16:42:44] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauxite [16:42:49] Tank2333: well originally that is. When aluminum was first theorized and synthesized it was from Alum [16:43:08] i see [16:43:17] Alum is a mineral i guess? [16:44:04] well at minimum then, "alumi" [16:44:16] nati [16:45:18] Alum is a double sulfate salt of aluminum [16:45:50] okay [16:46:02] Aluminium [16:46:20] aluminum [16:46:28] Uranum [16:46:30] alumi [16:46:33] Plutonum [16:46:41] Tank2333: Platinium [16:46:43] Einsteinum [16:46:50] Rokker: sodum [16:46:52] PLATINIUM [16:47:05] why cant alum have its nium? thats racist [16:47:07] LANTHANIUM [16:47:14] Lithum [16:47:15] MOLYBDENIUM [16:47:26] Adamantium [16:47:27] I CAN DO IT TO [16:47:30] TOO [16:47:41] Unobtainium [16:47:51] thats the good stuff [16:48:31] natrum [16:49:17] apparently homeopaths call sodium natrum wat [16:50:27] oren: Sodium Na [16:50:33] tis latin my dude [16:50:39] Homeopaths are full of S... [16:52:04] Aurum, Natrum, Ferrum, Argenti, etc [16:52:21] argenti is ac ountry [16:52:25] country [16:52:36] no, that's argentina [16:53:03] proof it [16:53:04] same origin [16:53:24] dont cry for rokker, argentina [16:53:30] I guess it's Argentum [16:53:47] Argenti would be multiple silvers or some crap [16:54:18] anyways [16:54:32] I rest my case that Aluminum is the more latin, more proper name [16:54:48] science is Latin, Latin is science, aluminum is science [16:55:13] you can believ what you want [16:55:26] but Meters is better than foot [16:59:01] hehe [16:59:08] dont do that [16:59:24] you can start the 97th unit wars [16:59:39] i missed the last 50 or so [17:00:39] Tank2333: depends [17:00:54] I use meters in physics but I prefer feet for daily life [17:01:06] i know [17:14:18] Rokkernium? [17:14:20] oh what's up [17:14:49] That kinda sounds like what rock stars are made of :P [17:16:10] lol [17:16:18] only from element 119 though [17:16:33] not 182? [17:16:33] and as odd number are harder, maybe more success with 120 [17:26:00] That was one videogame where they used element '128' as a plot-device-driving the I-can-make-anything-machine [17:26:00] hello [17:26:12] what is this? [17:26:20] This is IRC [17:26:47] cool what do we do here [17:26:54] It's the official channel for KSP [17:27:23] cool [17:27:30] What we do? Anything as long as you follow the rules [17:28:01] But it's mostly talking about spacey stuff [17:28:17] when is the making history coming to console? [17:28:18] And waiting for the SpaceX launch in 5h [17:28:59] No clue. I don't play the Console edition [17:29:19] okay i was i had a PC so i could use mods [17:30:00] Mods are great [17:30:30] What do you play on? [17:30:39] xbox one s [17:30:50] kerbal without mods? tyranny [17:31:05] Guest15209: what's your impression so far? [17:31:17] landed on the Mun yet? [17:31:18] on xbox or this chat [17:31:24] both [17:31:27] :D [17:31:41] no, it is not tyranny, it is freedom :) [17:31:48] lol [17:31:59] no sadly lol and console its alot slower to build. and the chat so far is confusing [17:32:03] every update you mod users cry for weeks [17:32:28] there is some ksp discord too, somewhere [17:32:46] but i think it is at least the same amount of confusing [17:33:38] I'm allowed IRC at work. Discord would be a big 'nope' [17:33:38] some people are more confusing than others [17:33:46] Action: Tank2333 looks at Rokker USAF [17:33:57] discord it https, at least it is harder to outrigth filter it [17:35:03] (Insert relevant xkcd about IRC) [17:35:20] https://xkcd.com/1782/ [17:35:23] im going to go but i will start using this more and more thanks for the warm welcome guys [17:35:37] that was fast [17:35:44] sure [17:35:48] no, the fastest ones are below 5 seconds [17:35:58] O.O how [17:36:09] come in, say a sentence, no reply in seconds, leave [17:36:22] this client made the irc run under 5 seconds :) [17:36:29] Guest15209 also very smart people in here who can help with a wide range of problems too [17:36:33] well im in school so [17:36:43] i like to ask technical stuff in here [17:36:48] okay cool and thanks i will need it [17:36:54] Guest15209: in 5h https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-0uBIYYKk [17:36:54] YouTube - TESS Mission [17:37:07] 5 hours, that is after midnight [17:37:20] taking into account my current state, i would rather not [17:37:21] Althego i meant your xkcd response to ve2dmn [17:39:52] the rat racer information service is always at your service, madam [17:40:32] ^^ [17:41:44] Althego: insert nerd snipping xkcd [17:42:13] that never really got me [17:42:39] I really tired to solve that puzzle [17:42:46] tried* [17:43:09] i looked at it and it became apparent to be too hard [17:43:59] I failed after a few minutes [17:45:08] but it did get my brain going [17:46:37] It's my curse [17:48:20] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/435496475695513600/DSC_8710.JPG [17:48:25] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/435496505420283904/DSC_8711.JPG [17:48:40] these wheels look ok finally [17:49:11] yeah with a plane around them it looks ok [17:50:02] Fluburtur: btw, how much do you think that foam 'plane' from the other day was? [17:50:14] what [17:50:27] wait [17:50:43] btw will spacex recover the booster today? [17:50:48] or exeprimental crap again [17:50:59] Fluburtur: this: https://imgur.com/a/9PhsU [17:50:59] https://i.imgur.com/o8qulXK.jpg [17:51:16] oh that [17:51:35] well those look fun but they are usually more expensive than they should [17:51:46] I do want to get one of the larger ones and put a motor on it [17:52:00] I want to see you do that :D [17:52:05] Tank2333: USAF [17:52:29] the orbit is already strange [17:52:34] they probably use it up [17:53:01] they will drop all older blocks i heard [17:53:10] but I want one with at least 40cm of wingspan [17:53:13] for flight envelop expansion [17:53:13] so they only have block 5 left [17:53:29] they have around a dozen or so [17:53:36] and block 5 is not flying yet [17:53:37] Fluburtur: I think that one was the size of my forearm [17:53:37] Tank2333: yes. the Block 4 launching today is the last manufactured 4 [17:53:43] also I will try to make a 3d printed mount for the wings of my plane [17:53:44] what [17:53:47] Tank2333: it will be used twice [17:53:47] where did the others go [17:53:49] to remove the wing [17:53:56] Althego: last newly manufactured [17:54:02] rc planes under 60cm are tiny [17:54:07] Althego: they still have the old ones that have flown [17:54:07] that makes sense [17:54:12] and have a lot of torque even with small motors [17:55:05] my mini p47 flew like crap [17:56:14] Althego: actually I might be wrong, not entirely sure. either I'm wrong or Wikipedia is wrong which honestly could go either way [17:56:19] Fluburtur: it was on sale for 6CAD btw [17:56:37] yeah not too bad [17:56:48] Fluburtur: The booster today will be recovered and used on a future CRS [17:56:54] and then expended [17:57:05] nice ok [17:57:21] will be watching this one with a friend then go watch stars [17:58:07] Althego: an yeah no I'm right [17:58:53] Fluburtur: ship landing and then it will be reused for CRS-15 and will be probably one of the last block 4 launches since spacex needs to start launching 5s for the NASA crewed requiremrnt [18:00:25] http://forum.flitetest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=105600&d=1523897971&thumb=1 [18:00:55] Fluburtur: nukeyboi [18:01:08] went nuke in a tent [18:01:27] left engine was disconnected so stayed at idle [18:01:41] Jebediah: "Before any rover gets the okay from us, they first need to be thrown at least 500 meters into the air. If they survive this, they get my stamp of approval!" [18:02:12] Fluburtur: did it at least end the war first? [18:02:19] no [18:02:22] seriously it's how I test rovers lol, [18:02:28] this one was actually used to drop a model x1 [18:02:40] hehe rover crash test [18:02:43] Fluburtur: X-1* [18:02:51] listen [18:02:55] I don't care [18:03:16] also the leduc 011 was better [18:03:25] did anyone have a dassalt raphael [18:04:15] Fluburtur: Leduc and better are contradictions [18:05:14] shhh [18:05:29] you are just jealous of our superior french engineering [18:09:39] Fluburtur: superior http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fntohpDlDek/Vf7V67vCqKI/AAAAAAAAB30/xv0AFRQy7OM/s1600/2669L.jpg [18:09:57] what a nice fast plane [18:10:58] Fluburtur: 335 m/s [18:11:00] so fast [18:12:08] Fluburtur: literally couldn't break the speed of sound because the superior French engineer couldn't figure out how area rule works [18:12:42] our planes werent flown by redneck cowboys at least [18:13:07] you act like that's beneficial [18:13:52] french planes are flown by skilled pilots [18:13:57] Action: ve2dmn walk away from the kindergarden [18:14:01] who don't use a broomstick to close the hatch [18:14:23] Fluburtur: is that why would won the war [18:14:30] why you* [18:16:45] rekt [18:16:56] no I just had a hard time comprehending what you wrote [18:17:14] also im doing useful stuff at the same time [18:17:35] uh huh [18:17:44] >frencb [18:17:51] >being useful [18:17:53] pick one [18:18:10] listen we can do more than one thing at once [18:18:37] other than striking? [18:19:22] I don't know what you mean by that so I guess that yeah [18:19:42] it's hard to talk with you, I have to use the mindset of a 11 years old [18:20:55] Fluburtur: how long has France gone without a transportation strike? [18:20:58] a few days? [18:21:11] 2 days every 5 days for 3 months I think [18:21:18] how long has usa gone without bombing anything? [18:21:23] 0 [18:21:59] Althego: why would we not bomb something [18:22:03] bombing is good [18:22:11] act like humans for once [18:22:30] no u [18:22:32] i just came back towards the end, but not going to read back [18:22:56] Althego: he said crappy French planes are better [18:23:20] probably most things are better than the f-35 :) [18:23:32] I mean ur wrong, but ok [18:23:55] I just wanted to mention, that's at least the second time the discussion swerves dangerously into the direction of politics. Please try not to bring it up, it just makes life easier. ;-) [18:25:54] BPlayer: I will not rest until he admits that the X-1 was better than the 0.11 [18:26:10] even the me163 was better than the x1 [18:27:27] anyways I have stuff to do, was nice talking with you Rokker [18:27:27] how [18:27:30] dare you [18:27:47] Fluburtur: no no no, you can't say something like that and then walk away [18:27:57] what if I do [18:28:04] Fluburtur: the Me163 couldn't even go 3 flights without exploding [18:29:37] Action: BPlayer grabs his popcorn [18:31:29] it is getting dark outside, probably even in france, so time for him to go stargazing [18:31:32] DC-10 was better [18:31:35] that is what he said previusly [18:31:41] Deddly: ... [18:31:44] better than what [18:32:04] nah it's still too bright [18:32:11] will go at like midnight [18:32:43] hellp [18:32:46] hello [18:33:07] DC-10 was better than the Flyer [18:33:15] Hi Jeb / Guest32976 [18:33:35] Let's call them Jeb32976 [18:33:48] does anyone here know how to increase the volumetric cloud distance with the Astronomers Visual Pack mod? [18:34:33] Uh, that's a tough one. I found those EVE based graphics configs really hard to edit [18:35:06] why jeb? maybe george [18:35:17] the clouds pop in and out at such short distances, not what i remember happening with EVE [18:35:27] or jimmy [18:35:32] If you go into the EVE GUI and have some luck, you will find the correct option and change it in-game. [18:36:01] It's a mess to do, even with the GUI, though. [18:36:05] I believe the shortcut to access the options is 0 [18:36:38] thank you, ill mess around with that [18:37:47] Hope you find it! [18:40:20] I wonder if uhu por works with PLA [18:40:25] or white glue for that matter [18:41:02] Deddly: I mean... If I had to choose between seeing a DC-10 and the Wright Flyer, I'd choose the Flyer, so which is really better? [18:41:37] Rokker, I was trolling, please ignore me ;) [18:42:07] Deddly: nope, you've started this, now you must face the consequences [18:42:15] lol [18:42:29] OK, well the DC-10 had a longer service life, therefore it is better [18:43:49] Rokker: Don't feed the trolls [18:43:56] Deddly: I mean that's not really fair, the only wright flyer kinda crashed like a few hours after its first flight [18:44:03] Action: Rokker gives Deddly some bread [18:44:20] the wright flyer had a canard configuration so it's better [18:44:49] Rokker, exactly. The DC-10 could fly for hours WITHOUT crashing. [18:45:45] Deddly: i... do you really not know about this [18:46:21] canard configuration, like S-37 berkut, therefore cooler [18:46:38] I mean, sure - there were some incidents, but overpopulation is a bigger issue, so... [18:47:17] Action: Deddly LOVES comparing apples to grenades [18:47:27] lol [18:47:45] Do you also love comparing Samsungs to Bombs? [18:47:47] DC-10 has lame convential tailplane layout [18:47:56] but those are the same [18:48:05] LOL Althego [18:48:08] 1:0 for you [18:48:12] high stability but lame and unmaneuverable [18:48:39] S-7 was the best incendiary device [18:48:52] you mean the Note 7 [18:49:05] the S7 was pretty good [18:49:41] I only heard about the S7 fires [18:49:43] are we going to forget that apple made bombs way before [18:49:53] and that's like the first thing they did first [18:49:58] Deddly: um what [18:50:08] Deddly: the Note 7 was the one with battery issues [18:50:17] was? i still have an s7? 2 years old [18:50:42] maybe next year i buy something but samsung has to give up the idiotic curved screen idea for that [18:51:01] Action: Rokker stares at Althego through his S8+ [18:51:02] Rokker, fair enough. Apparently I remembered wrongly. [18:51:14] no reason to buy a phone each year? [18:51:33] Althego: to be fair I only have it cause I got a cheap upgrade [18:51:46] I kinda want a phone with a full keyboard like the old blackberry ones [18:51:55] but as a flip phone too [18:51:58] bring back the palm pre [18:51:58] OK the only curved screen that I've seen that actually makes any sense is the new iphone, in order to shrink the bezel [18:51:58] i dont buy phones from providers, so i always pay the full prive [18:52:34] Fluburtur, yeah I miss physical keyboards. HTC had some nice ones [18:52:50] honestly, the Samsung curved screen isn't really even noticeable until u break it and pay a million dollars to fix it [18:52:51] baclberry in the old days :) [18:53:15] like the curved screen doesn't matter at all [18:53:24] it is stupid [18:53:36] but they developed it, so they must use it :) [18:53:53] anyways [18:53:59] I want the palm pre back [18:54:06] it's not even that hard to make curved screens [18:54:12] but phones are stupid [18:54:22] you know crts used to be cirved [18:54:28] then engineers worked hard to make them falt [18:54:36] then these idiots curved them again [18:54:39] https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Palm_Pre_WebOS.jpg [18:54:41] I have an S3 mini and really reluctant to change it. Despite the lacking OS updates and stuff. [18:54:53] BRING IT BACK [18:54:57] my s3 mini died a month ago [18:54:58] Can't be bothered with new phones, they are ugly. [18:55:04] im pretty sure the battery is done [18:55:09] but it was a bit old [18:55:21] I had one of these: https://cdn2.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/htc/htc-touch-pro-01.jpg [18:55:21] BPlayer: I like my S8s look [18:55:25] I currently have a cheapo wiko and it works just fine [18:55:30] The keyboard was great. The phone was appalling [18:55:44] Mine is slowly dying too, probably it's the battery, yes. Got really unstable and keeps crashing, when it boots back it says the battery is empty. [18:55:58] BPlayer: replace it [18:56:02] can you still buy batteries for those? [18:56:14] I did. A few months ago. [18:56:22] Fluburtur: through China all things are possible [18:56:25] and it is already dead? [18:56:31] Apparently, yes [18:56:36] weird [18:56:46] sounds like it's more than just battery [18:56:49] maybe the phone decided to act up [18:57:06] It wasn't even a no name one, original from Samsung and worked fine for a few months [18:57:43] mmmm pizza [18:58:14] oj [18:58:22] Fluburtur: did you hear the sad news [18:58:29] which ones [18:58:33] about the stealthyboi [18:58:44] I thought your local pizza place was closing down [18:58:46] tell me [18:58:49] Fluburtur: an F-22 was badly damaged yesterday [18:58:53] nice [18:59:00] too bad it wasn't a f35 tho [18:59:01] pilot retracted gear during his take off roll [18:59:02] or B2 [18:59:08] HOW DARE YOU [18:59:13] GET OUT OF MY SIGHT [18:59:16] they are ugly and useless [18:59:20] you cant see him [18:59:26] already out of your sight [18:59:32] like 10000 km away [19:00:00] screw you, the B-2 is love [19:00:09] the B-2 is life [19:00:15] it has a built in toilet [19:00:22] thus far superior to most military planes :) [19:00:30] I remember the time the usaf bullied nasa to put a bunch of f22 in their hangars because of some rain [19:00:42] our planes don't fear some rain at least [19:00:45] Fluburtur: um... [19:00:58] Fluburtur: that was a hurricane and it's standard practice [19:01:05] weak [19:01:10] f22 is currently the best air superiority fighter [19:01:17] Fluburtur: have you even had a tornado [19:01:30] no I live in a country with decent weather [19:01:33] AHA! I have arrived at the southern continent by boat. [19:01:48] 5 hours to get there [19:01:54] yes, no tornados, hurricanes, monsoons here [19:02:09] Rokker: We have no tornadoes. But we have beer! [19:02:16] Deddly: I flew from cape Canaveral to White sands with a prop plane in RO a few weeks back [19:02:19] Also, occasional frog and/or fish rain. [19:02:27] hehe [19:02:35] Rokker, how long did it take? [19:02:47] tornadoes are about as useful as beer [19:02:52] you can get 3.7 rafales for the price of one f22 [19:03:01] Deddly: 4 hours of game time, prolly 6 hours of actual time [19:03:03] and they work just as well if not better [19:03:15] i wouldnt be so sure of that [19:03:16] Fluburtur: and you can lose 5 Rafael for every one f-22 [19:03:20] Fluburtur: Nice! I'll take the 0.7 part. Will come in handy! [19:03:26] Nice [19:03:35] I guess that would be extra for fuel and weaponry [19:03:53] Deddly: got like 5 biomes of research out of it [19:03:57] remember that simulated combat between a rafale and f22 and the f22 was suepr humiliated [19:04:06] btw rokker what do you think of the osprey? :) [19:04:13] and then the guys were like "yeah but the f22 had external tanks" but it actually didn't [19:04:16] Althego: tiltyboi [19:04:30] what does that mean [19:04:43] LOL the sun is so low that the shadow from my boat is cast on the side of the ice shelf [19:04:50] murika stopped making decent planes in the 70s [19:04:59] the f15 is a fun one [19:05:34] not too bad for a copy of the mig 25 [19:05:47] Fluburtur: are you sure you aren't thinking of Rafael and f-35 [19:05:55] nah [19:06:02] also Rafael isn't even a 5th gen fighter [19:06:10] so it's automatically crap [19:06:20] hehe [19:06:33] https://youtu.be/oGuWadoTgkE?t=137 [19:07:11] and anyways "stealth" fighters don't have anything on the rafale because the visual aimer works at like 100km [19:07:20] also the rafale looks nicer [19:07:22] btw airplanes are not that useful in current warfare [19:07:39] yeah who needs stealth for bombing civilians in a 3rd world country [19:07:45] dogfighting? what is this ww2? [19:07:45] exactly [19:07:47] actually that might be a bit pilitical, sorry [19:08:25] Minimally [19:08:33] "minimally" [19:08:39] i mean we done some shitty stuff [19:08:58] i don't want to get into whether the whole mess in the middle east is justified or not because THAT is definitely political [19:09:04] And that might be minimally curse-y [19:09:11] Arcan: might wanna watch the swearing [19:09:13] looking at it from a utilitarian standpoint, if the usa has so good weapons, why didnt they win in the middle east? [19:09:24] Rokker: eeeeep [19:09:25] Uh, guys [19:09:32] Althego: why didn't France win in algeria [19:09:41] Action: Arcan bows [19:09:42] i dont care about france [19:09:47] Action: BPlayer 's politics alarm goes off: BEEP BEEP BEEP [19:09:50] my apologies [19:09:55] Althego: why didn't Germany win in anywhete [19:09:59] anywhere [19:10:04] they did win at first :) [19:10:36] Althego: winning against France is like fighting a small child [19:10:36] mhhhh https://i.imgur.com/Ndn5fY8.jpg [19:10:45] Hmm. Getting a craft up onto the ice shelf will be harder than I anticipated [19:10:52] you are gonna win against the child, but then some adults are gonna kick ur crap in [19:10:54] https://i.imgur.com/wVpz9vC.jpg [19:11:15] too bad there was no sukhoi 35 this time [19:11:18] cool jet [19:11:19] what [19:11:24] s the big missile underneath it [19:11:34] anti ship stuff I think [19:11:43] You lot might consider paying attention to BPlayer when he asks you to keep things free of politics [19:12:06] Fluburtur: really, you don't know [19:12:34] Arcan: it's an Exocet since "Mr I love France look at me" doesn't know [19:12:35] there was a spt with all the armament of the rafale don't I don't remember exactly [19:12:47] also the turkish planes were quite nice [19:13:47] if i had to name the planes i like the best, it would be ither the x-15 or the sr-71 [19:14:03] Arcan: which is honestly one of the few anti-ship missiles that has been successfully used in war [19:14:06] don't worry I have something to calm down Rokker https://i.imgur.com/2S5xNYq.jpg [19:14:08] by the argentinians [19:14:12] against the brits [19:14:13] oh that's what the text on the side says [19:14:21] I thought it said something 180A [19:14:23] dc-3 [19:14:24] it says MBDA [19:15:03] Arcan: yeah, that's the manufacturer [19:15:15] also look at that nice rocket https://i.imgur.com/2vTyS0f.jpg [19:15:17] Althego: no [19:15:28] mockup [19:15:56] Althego: it's a C-47 [19:16:00] not a DC-3 [19:16:04] rebranded dc3 [19:16:33] nice chrome plane https://i.imgur.com/B9FNhSY.jpg [19:16:41] it's a beech [19:17:27] and overrated plane https://i.imgur.com/8tnaEoU.jpg [19:17:28] DC-10 is better [19:17:51] Fluburtur: I'm sorry but how is the deadliest plane of ww2 overrated [19:17:58] well... deadliest fighter [19:18:11] yak 9 better [19:18:15] no [19:18:19] yes [19:18:50] Did they delay this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-0uBIYYKk [19:18:50] YouTube - TESS Mission [19:19:02] Fluburtur: ur factually wrong [19:19:06] BPlayer: no? [19:19:16] russian planes are more nice [19:19:20] I thought it was 18:00 ET? [19:19:22] and usually look nicer too [19:19:26] BPlayer: 3 hours from now, like it's always been [19:19:33] how come modern planes don't sit with their nose in the air [19:19:39] Action: BPlayer has troubles with time conversion [19:19:51] oren: this hurts the runway [19:20:14] Right, I am GTM+2 [19:20:19] look how ugly that is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/435519789155483648/DSC_6034.JPG [19:20:20] I thought I was GMT+1 [19:20:27] it makes me feel physically sick to look at it [19:20:31] oren: there's a few reasons [19:20:51] Fluburtur: screw you, at least we made our own planes during the war [19:20:55] BPlayer, ah, good old daylight savings time [19:21:05] not just building planes for the nazis [19:21:12] Yes... Yes, it's DST. [19:21:27] Rokker? [19:22:28] http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/Zactoman/Odie.jpg [19:22:29] oren: https://youtu.be/gX3_mQZ4gY8 [19:22:29] YouTube - Vampire Rips up runway at Halfpenny Green [19:22:44] Deddly: don't you dare insult my X-32 [19:22:48] dont [19:22:58] http://www.avionslegendaires.net/wp-content/uploads/images/avion_militaire/Gvg33.jpg [19:23:10] oooo what is that? excellent french plane form WWII [19:23:15] Seriously though guys, discussing which planes are nicest is great and all that, but please tone it down a little, OK? [19:23:39] Fluburtur: you lost the air war just as badly as you lost the ground war [19:23:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+m ' by Deddly!~MrNiceGuy@h87-96-164-204.cust.se.alltele.net [19:23:58] 4Seriously though guys, discussing which planes are nicest is great and all that, but please tone it down a little, OK? [19:24:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '-m ' by Deddly!~MrNiceGuy@h87-96-164-204.cust.se.alltele.net [19:25:20] fgfd [19:25:46] wait i was just admiring things and then i went AFK what happened [19:25:49] luckily hungary has no natively developed airplane, so i cant be upset about it [19:26:14] I think there are a few actually [19:26:22] and the ones I've seen are fairly nice [19:26:25] not any that are currently in service [19:26:27] or was it another country [19:26:30] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aircraft_manufactured_in_Hungary [19:27:15] Althego: wrong, you had like... 3 [19:28:02] at least one of the first helicopters was from us https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr%C3%B3czy-K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n-%C5%BDurovec [19:28:29] at least partially [19:28:33] Althego: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%81VAG_H%C3%A9ja [19:28:58] ugh, karman [19:29:13] karman makes fun helis [19:29:24] krmn rules :) [19:29:24] Kerman. :P [19:29:25] flettner made fun ones too I think [19:29:33] some of the first intermeshing ones I think [19:29:43] karman makes dumb lines [19:29:49] Fluburtur: ur thinking of kaman [19:30:05] The best KSP pun, however, is still Gene Kerman. Can't beat that. [19:30:14] yeah similar name [19:30:14] completely different company, Fluburtur [19:30:43] flettner kolibri wooo http://www.aviastar.org/foto/gallery/flettner/flettner_kolibri_4.jpg [19:31:32] Fluburtur: fun fact, the Kaman H-43 huskies was built for both the USMC and USAF, but while the USMC went with a silly rotary engine, the USAF went with a beautifully superior turboshaft version [19:31:50] I think you told me that the other day [19:32:06] but im most interested in the intermeshing designs because I want to build a rc one [19:33:56] supposedly those are stable [19:34:08] more stable than regular yeah [19:34:14] but it's not that hard [19:34:22] regular helis are not stable at all [19:34:46] so I guess it's not really stability in itself but how much it wants to drift and how easy it is to keep it how you want [19:34:55] actually from control theory standpoint, no aircraft is stable [19:35:23] Well, it's not stable in the sense that if you turn off the engines, it falls down [19:35:25] well you can trim a plane for it to fly basically by itself [19:35:33] they can also drift sideways [19:35:48] and rotates [19:35:49] nothing you do is stable in it [19:35:55] Gyrocopters are stable, aren't they? [19:35:55] helis need to have the center of lift exactly on the center of mass so they drift easily [19:36:01] Fluburtur: probably, but I just told you again [19:36:05] Deddly they act more like planes [19:36:13] Fluburtur: meshyboi https://imgur.com/a/b8vC5 [19:36:36] double rotor... scary [19:36:43] BPlayer: you do know helicopters can glide right? [19:36:46] Fluburtur, like planes, only that they have no stall speed [19:36:49] no need for a tail rotor then [19:37:07] well you need to have speed otherwise the rotor won't spin [19:37:08] oh right, didnt thought of that [19:37:11] like the helicopter can still fly to a somewhat safe landing if the engine cuts [19:37:12] the rotor disc behaves as a wing to a certain extent [19:37:20] also autorotation [19:37:26] also I think meshers can go faster because retreating blade stall wont' slow it down [19:37:29] Fluburtur, you don't need horizontal speed. Gyrocopters can land vertically [19:37:38] technically that is true to coaxials too [19:37:42] yeah [19:37:48] but because of other constraints they are not really faster [19:37:49] any heli with two main rotors really [19:38:01] like because of larger drag [19:38:06] well you just need to keep the rotor moving [19:38:18] Tank2333: the rotors on an interesting chopper are locked to each other, no risk of them hitting each other or anything [19:38:28] intermeshing* [19:38:33] i know [19:38:50] im a grown up boy [19:39:04] no [19:39:06] Action: UmbralRaptor apparently missed some silliness. [19:39:14] Action: Arcan rawr [19:39:24] Heliraptors [19:39:41] speaking of heli, I need to fix the tail of mine [19:39:48] the tail boom is lose [19:40:06] heli flight mechanism are extremely ineresting [19:40:13] what, you have a tail? :) [19:40:23] Tank2333: plz no. I don't want to spend a month in the hanger being repaired for every hour of flight. [19:40:39] thats only the V-22 [19:40:44] Althego yeah im a plebs with a conventionnal helicopter [19:41:42] hehe i have seen the german mk41 helis. they have to keep 2 up in ready state, therefore there are like 10 others under maintenance [19:42:20] UmbralRaptor: all you missed was some Frenchy starting yet another battle he can't win [19:42:28] Action: Rokker squints at Fluburtur [19:42:45] <3 [19:42:45] it isn't hard to trigger you [19:42:45] heh [19:43:08] did aplayer just quit out of fear of another war? [19:43:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:43:18] And there I disconnect at the most interesting moment [19:43:40] oh don't worry [19:43:53] <-- BPlayer has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:43:53] did aplayer just quit out of fear of another war? [19:43:53] --> BPlayer (~APlayer@p200300C22BC3D9003CEB82FE1CB93E5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #KSPOfficial [19:43:53] --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to BPlayer [19:44:32] Action: BPlayer declares war to the Kingdom of Fluburtia [19:44:53] why [19:45:18] To demonstrate that I am not afraid of it. :P [19:45:31] well [19:45:39] anyways I have better UAVs [19:45:47] or rather ROAVs [19:46:15] Just wait till mine takes off in 4 days. :D [19:46:18] FOR FREEEEDOOM [19:46:38] my planes can carry a payload of like 500g over a kilometer [19:46:39] probably [19:46:53] BPlayer: just go through Belgium, it's a guaranteed way to beat Fluburtur [19:46:55] Action: Arcan nukes both before rolling in with mechanized infantry and modern armor [19:47:34] (incidentally, one of the few areas in which Civ VI is better than V is the nukes) [19:47:49] I have guns so I can just shoot y'alls planes down if you come after me [19:48:02] Uh, Rokker, fun is good and stuff, but I think that's getting somewhat offensive by now [19:48:05] my planes are foam [19:48:11] you bullets won't damage them [19:48:20] unless you get important stuff then yeah [19:48:38] BPlayer: pretty sure shooting down invading planes is defensive [19:49:03] I did not mean that message, but whatever [19:49:06] Fluburtur: incendiary rounds [19:49:24] You may use ICBMs instead [19:49:37] Good enough even if you miss the plane by a few km [19:49:46] will cause even less damage [19:49:53] incendiary I mean [19:49:56] LOL [19:50:03] will melt the foam a bit and make the hole cleaner [19:50:17] 1) no I can because for some reason that's considered a war crime and an illegal weapon and 2) kinda expensive to shoot down some RC planes [19:50:39] laser [19:50:45] set them on fire in the air [19:50:47] throw stones at it [19:50:58] potato gun with gravel inside [19:51:03] Fluburtur: nah, incendiary bullets would light your plane [19:51:03] Shoot it with a bow [19:51:05] also throw the stones on the controller guy who is a few hundred meters away [19:51:05] that's your best bet really [19:51:18] The arrow will get stuck and knock the plane out of balance [19:51:28] hehe [19:51:31] im not sure my foam can burn actually [19:51:41] Foam burns very nicely [19:51:42] try it [19:51:45] Fluburtur: With enough dedication, it can [19:51:46] we have to know [19:51:49] and even then if a buleltit hit it thenit wouldn't be in contact long enoiugh [19:51:54] Assuming it's polystyrene foam [19:51:57] Fluburtur: unless it's metal foam, it can definitely burn [19:52:05] even metals can burn [19:52:07] What about mineral wool? [19:52:22] probably anything can burn if you try hard enough [19:52:30] Well, not quite [19:52:37] yeah can burn but easily put out [19:52:40] Salts will not burn however hard you try [19:52:48] well I just need to light fireworks on my plane and see [19:53:01] BPlayer, how about if you throw the salt into the sun? [19:53:01] not even in foof? [19:53:05] Althego: unless it's metal foam, a red tip bullet can burn it* [19:53:14] Fluburtur: Master plan! Attach a firework rocket to your plane and launch it mid flight with some crazy ignition mechanism! [19:53:29] he is building his own solid rocket :) [19:53:40] Deddly: Will rather quickly melt and evaporate, but not burn [19:53:41] how is entropy these days? [19:53:44] that's planned to ignite the engine of the rocket plane I will launch from another plane [19:53:45] any 7? [19:53:48] not yet [19:53:56] I need to design and make the new nozzle [19:53:59] BPlayer, I mean, wouldn't it simply add to the fusion reaction? [19:54:05] (burning --> combustion --> chemical requirements that salts don't meet) [19:54:10] BPlayer, I guess that's technically not burning [19:54:45] astrophysics uses the word "burn" to describe hydrodynamic processes but yea it means something very different than its colloquiual meaning [19:54:51] but I mean I could strap a lot of firecrackers that produce a lot of heat on my plane and see [19:54:57] Deddly: Salt, in the "household salt" sense, is sodium and chloride. Neither is small enough to fuse in sun conditions, AFAIK [19:55:03] like some of the machinegun fireckraker grape [19:55:37] I am using "burn" in the sense of "oxidize". Also, in the sense of rocket. [19:55:39] or launching rockets from the plane into the plane [19:55:42] you can burn salt in fluorine [19:55:58] oren: Well... [19:56:11] That's somewhat far fetched, but I guess it would work [19:56:22] Touche [19:56:34] ITT lingual ambiguity strikes again [19:56:45] Fluburtur: also I'll point out that guns are highly effective against foam planes [19:56:51] and this is a proven fact [19:57:10] Rokker: well, if you can aim really well [19:57:39] Are foam planes highly effective against guns, though? [19:58:01] Or does that depend on the payload? [19:58:12] foam>bullet [19:58:17] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYW7CeW1Zjw [19:58:17] YouTube - Machine Guns vs 100MPH RC Target Planes - Great Sounds! [19:58:33] guess I need to make some flak gun and try to shoot down a plane with it [19:58:51] that sounds slightly illegal [19:58:53] I think a potato gun with a bunch of airsoft BBs inside would work well [19:59:15] Tank2333: what does [19:59:20] in order to damage a large area of the plane and possibly weaken it enough to shoot the wing off [19:59:34] building anit aircraft weaponry [19:59:47] nah is for rc planes [19:59:49] so rc flak [20:00:19] Tank2333: building, maybe, owning and using, not as much [20:00:44] french law though [20:00:54] it's actually allowed to build and use potato guns in france [20:01:03] oh realy? [20:01:08] in a private propriety where it's allowed that is [20:01:21] i think here it is not [20:01:26] you can't diffuse plans on the internet but really who needs plans for that [20:01:39] i see [20:01:41] so I can build a potato gun and shoot it in my garden [20:02:32] I wanted to make one with a long barrel to shoot spark plugs at high speed [20:02:40] and shoot through bricks [20:03:20] o.o [20:03:38] spark plugs actualyl double as armor piercing ammunition [20:03:49] O.O [20:05:58] Deddly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-0uBIYYKk [20:05:58] YouTube - TESS Mission [20:06:05] (For the topic) [20:12:32] because I recently looked at it because of Deddly, ima reshare a beautiful little clip with yall https://imgur.com/Xs6NdMC [20:12:32] https://i.imgur.com/Xs6NdMC.gifv [20:13:10] Fluburtur: anything is armor piercing if you shoot it fast enough [20:13:20] true [20:13:28] but spark plugs are weirdly hard [20:13:40] Rokker: The mach cone is the best part! [20:14:13] try armor piercing ice shard [20:15:27] BPlayer: check out some of the pics and gifs in the comments. gives you an even better idea of it https://www.reddit.com/r/shockwaveporn/comments/589g5p/exomars_landing_capsule_testing_not_your_typical/?utm_source=reddit-android [20:17:33] it's too bad exomars didn't fare as well as this test [20:19:04] GUYS [20:19:17] SCIFI SALE ON HUMBLEBUNDLE [20:19:19] https://www.humblebundle.com/store/promo/scifi-week/ [20:19:19] Uh, ExoMars was what, again? [20:19:40] The last failed Mars thing I remember was Schiaparelli [20:19:47] one and the same [20:19:52] Ah, got it [20:20:20] BPlayer: schiaparelli was the name of the lander half of the exomars 2016 mission [20:20:40] Well, "half" is somewhat exaggerated [20:20:48] They just stuck it on there [20:21:25] it was a lander demonstrator, and it failed :) [20:21:28] BPlayer: I mean you could say that about hyugens and Viking too [20:21:51] Althego: it was more than just a demonstrator [20:22:04] yes it had science on it [20:22:15] i like that you can see the shockwave in the video [20:22:17] Huygens was rather similar, but it gathered real scientific data (and was supposed to gather it too) [20:22:35] that's what the ESA gets for letting the Russians get involved with a mars landing project [20:22:35] Not sure about the Viking, I'm not too well informed about that [20:22:42] it brought them bad luk [20:22:46] luck [20:22:53] Hey guys [20:23:13] sup [20:23:26] Action: BPlayer growls at GurrenLagannCWP for shifting his whole IRC client layout because of his long name [20:23:36] (Also, hi :P) [20:23:42] lol [20:23:48] BPlayer: schiaparelli was supposed to gather some science too [20:24:00] anyways [20:24:14] Schiaparelli EDM lander [skjapa~[li] was the Entry, Descent and Landing Demonstrator Module (EDM) of the ExoMars programmea joint mission of the European Space Agency (ESA) and the Russian space agency Roscosmos.[4] It was built in Italy and was intended to test technology for future soft landings on the surface of Mars.[5] It also had a limited but focused science payload that would have measured atmospheric electrici [20:24:14] Rokker: Well, it was even more limited than what Huygens was supposed to do, considering Titan was entirely unexplored back then [20:24:14] ty on Mars and local meteorological conditions.[2][6][7] [20:24:14] That's what happens when you name yourself after a mecha anime [20:24:15] enough about mars missions of the past, now it's time for insight hype [20:24:55] Alanonzander: they should have known that if Russia's name is even listed on a mars mission, it's gonna fail [20:25:06] hah spacex is delayd 2 days [20:25:10] still at midnight [20:25:16] InSight hype: http://i.imgur.com/5PDLkV4.jpg [20:25:46] I tried to get a rocket into orbit without hyperedit [20:26:05] uh [20:26:21] guess we will go look at stars early then [20:26:30] Have fun! [20:26:30] it took me 12 hours [20:26:41] wat [20:26:46] 2 days [20:26:53] GurrenLagannCWP: Feel free to ask for assistance, we'll be glad to help [20:26:56] insight in may [20:27:03] ok, not too far already [20:27:16] Althego: We have the middle of April right now [20:27:26] BPlayer you make me laugh [20:27:27] That's pretty amazingly close [20:27:30] we waited 2 years for it [20:27:35] mere 3 weeks, what is that [20:27:47] GurrenLagannCWP: Why? [20:28:13] Althego: More than 2 years. It wasn't built, KSP style, just before the launch. ;-) [20:28:21] "@BPlayer growls at GurrenLagannCWP for shifting his whole IRC client layout because of his long name" [20:28:27] that thing [20:28:28] yes but the delay was [20:28:38] GurrenLagannCWP: Well, yes. Also, I have to type it out every time now. :P [20:28:42] you know why the launch was cancelled? [20:28:48] no [20:28:52] They needed tests, IIRC [20:29:04] but why my text is grey [20:29:06] i want tess to succeed [20:29:15] it is like the next kepler [20:29:17] while yours is black [20:29:43] GurrenLagannCWP: I'm not sure I understood that. [20:30:18] GurrenLagannCWP, it's probably the way your IRC client is set up [20:30:24] Still remenber that Laythe-Vall-Moho tour [20:30:41] Man, that was amazing [20:30:47] Insight is outta sight [20:30:57] InSight is InFairing now [20:31:11] I wish Ezriilc was here [20:31:19] Action: Rokker stares at GurrenLagannCWP [20:31:47] Why is everyone acting weird on me? [20:32:03] GurrenLagannCWP: I was just testing something [20:32:09] lol [20:33:09] I'm playing Minecraft right now, idk why i'm doing here [20:36:43] ok I just had an idea that might be lame or might work awesomely [20:37:15] Does it involve balloons and bouncy castles? [20:37:26] I can get around the low fuel density of hydrogen by carrying ore around and converting it to hydrogen on teh fly [20:37:29] Springs and rocket engines? [20:37:35] Every single time i launch Minecraft, my PC frame rate drops to KSP levels [20:38:06] GurrenLagannTSS, Sounds like you need Optifine [20:38:10] oren: What's the Ore -> H2 mass efficiency? [20:38:40] how do install optifine [20:39:10] BPlayer: hmmmm... [20:39:22] GurrenLagannTSS, I can't remember, sorry. But you should be able to find all the information you need here https://optifine.net/home [20:41:08] oh [20:43:47] It doesnt show how to install it [20:44:53] 141 hydrogen per ore [20:45:06] oren: That's nothing [20:45:20] You'll save on mass if you bring large H2 tanks [20:45:28] Like, save a /lot/ on mass. [20:46:36] what's the density of LqdHydrogen though [20:49:52] https://github.com/BobPalmer/CommunityResourcePack/blob/master/FOR_RELEASE/GameData/CommunityResourcePack/CommonResources.cfg#L614-L629 [20:49:56] omg how many times does i need to get PING TIMEOUT [20:51:24] also dammit more people are complaining about my terrible pc [20:51:30] ah. 0.01 tons Hydrogen [20:51:42] GurrenLagannTSS, using a proper IRC client might fix that, particularly if you're tabbing away [20:51:59] and one unit of ore weighs 0.01 tons [20:52:06] but how [20:52:11] so it is 100% mass efficient [20:52:48] That seems different [20:53:00] ... [20:53:03] IIRC, you need a few thousands of LH2 for one ton [20:53:31] SnoopJeDi, but how i can get a proper IRC client [20:53:42] BPlayer: well 141 LqdHydrogen ~= 0.01 tons [20:54:09] GurrenLagannTSS, HexChat is pretty popular. Otherwise google IRC clients [20:54:09] oren: Alright, then [20:54:59] KVirc is okay too [20:55:36] Did you know? I once won a Build Battle by literally making a mess [20:55:51] so basically, if I'm taking a ore porcessor anyway, I can carry ore instead of hydrogen [20:57:19] oren: In that case, yes. Make sure you have enough EC for conversion in real time, or enough LH2 capacity for burst mode. [20:57:43] ...assuming I can get the uranium, which is definitely not 100% mass eficient [20:58:09] wut [20:58:29] GurrenLagannTSS: I'm working with a ton of mods, [20:58:50] GurrenLagannTSS: and attempting to build eveyrthing out of munar ore [20:58:55] woah [20:59:08] i cant even run Kopernicus [20:59:35] Anyway, guys, I'm off for today. I'll see you later! :-) [20:59:51] I have 3 large factories on the mun that constantly produce orcketparts and spacecraft [21:00:23] but I should change some of them to produce uranium insteal [21:00:48] or build a dedicated uranium factory [21:01:33] Bye BP [21:05:44] Hey [21:09:49] guys [21:09:58] FTL is only $2.24 [21:10:03] on humble bundle [21:10:14] everyone go buy it [21:11:45] i cant buy [21:11:58] i dont want to buy for a game [21:13:50] GurrenLagannCWP: wat [21:15:00] GurrenLagannCWP: buy FTL, its a good game, worth far more than the 2 dollars it costs [21:15:37] ... [21:16:11] my pc wont load Halo Online [21:16:13] GurrenLagannCWP: plus your computer might actually be able to run it [21:16:28] so high chance that my crappy pc wont run [21:17:00] GurrenLagannCWP: FTL isnt graphics or processor heavy [21:17:02] like at all [21:17:09] like... it has an ipad version [21:17:13] the ipad can run it [21:17:17] your computer can run it [21:17:22] ok [21:17:26] lets try [21:17:36] Action: GurrenLagannCWP cracks FTL for no reason [21:17:54] GurrenLagannCWP: https://www.humblebundle.com/store/ftl-faster-than-light [21:18:07] no monies [21:19:31] GurrenLagannCWP: get a job [21:19:56] or dont play games you cant afford [21:20:06] because pirating is ba [21:20:07] bad [21:20:10] idc [21:20:26] i havent got issues with ksp [21:21:27] GurrenLagannCWP: what do you mean you havent got issues with it [21:22:03] GurrenLagannCWP: uh [21:22:14] because i havent been in trouble [21:22:26] after all, igg already has FTL [21:22:28] http://igg-games.com/ftl-faster-than-light-free-download.html [21:23:08] GurrenLagannCWP kicked from #kspofficial by UmbralRaptor: see section 2.2 of the rules [21:23:12] GurrenLagannCWP: lol you do realize this is the OFFICIAL channel [21:23:26] he didn't realize [21:23:43] yo ho yo ho a pirates life for me [21:25:24] oh yeah my dumb mind is full [21:26:16] sorry that i forgot that rule [21:37:15] Rokker: anyway I prefer steam to humble bumble [21:37:38] oren: ... [21:37:48] they literally give you a steam key [21:37:56] and 10% of your money to charity [21:38:00] like [21:38:51] oren: you are getting a good deal on the games, giving 10% of your money to charity and still getting the game on the preferred platform [21:39:01] there's no logic to what you are saying [21:39:15] and you will be corrected [21:39:23] Rokker: but steam gives me alerts when things on my wishlist are on sale. and it has a social media plaform [21:39:52] oren: ... [21:40:44] oren: ok, but stellaris isn't 64% off on steam right now [21:40:55] it is on humble bundle [21:41:07] that makes humble bundle in this moment inherently better [21:42:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:42:56] Evening, Gentlemen. [21:44:02] swear your allegience to a specific platform or be vanquished, Supernovy! [21:44:05] oh [21:44:19] FTL could launch [21:44:19] Supernovy, have you heard about this galaxy wot doesn't seem to have much of any dark matter? [21:44:26] smoothly [21:44:57] I have. and I sear my allegiance to the launch platform. [21:45:55] oh wait [21:47:44] FTL now is as laggy as KSP, Rokker [21:47:57] maybe you should try buying games [21:48:02] and a computer [21:48:30] ugh [21:48:37] not again [21:48:37] GurrenLagannCWP: yeah dude u probly have a million viruses [21:48:41] no [21:48:46] perhaps your problems come from your wanton downloading of so many things [21:48:50] igg is safe [21:48:57] lol suuuure it is [21:48:58] uh huh [21:49:04] i never got a virus [21:49:11] suuuuure [21:49:16] you're probably mining bitcoins for people in morcoo [21:49:26] oren: I was just about to say [21:49:36] even my anti-virus says its safe [21:49:46] GurrenLagannCWP: or you could be in a botnet [21:49:51] stop [21:49:52] GurrenLagannCWP: Norton? McAfee? [21:49:56] no [21:50:22] GurrenLagannCWP: lol anti-virus. antiviruses make computers slower worse than most viruses [21:50:33] kapeserby or whatever its spelled [21:50:42] Ah, russian botnet [21:50:48] lol [21:51:02] stop [21:51:04] rip [21:51:17] Action: GurrenLagannCWP gets angry [21:51:34] Action: GurrenLagannCWP drills everyone [21:58:09] i knew this was gonna happen [21:58:19] you guys just KILL me [22:00:19] & [22:03:18] UmbralRaptor: ... wait how did u type that [22:04:04] oren: I dedicate a key on my phone's keyboard to that. [22:04:45] Hilariously, my old Motofail Droid 3 had a key for it. Yes, on a hardware keyboard. [22:10:11] , [22:11:26] wow I forgot my font supported those [22:12:31] UmbralRaptor: a good question [22:13:29] 🅥🅔🅓🅜🅝: [22:15:05] oren: I was weirdly happy when Android gained default cuniform support in Oreo. [22:15:47] I don't have quite that level of support, since I have to draw each character individually [22:20:26] Anyway, Multiling O keyboard lets you custumize input to an absurd extent. [22:22:42] Sumerian cuneiform? [22:23:14] I think it's a weird mix of Sumerian and Akkadian. o_O [22:26:14] UmbralRaptor: I thought akkadian cuniform used sumerian cuneiform as logograms [22:27:47] All I'm sure of is that the symbols changed over time, and it's not clear when newer or older ones at being used. [22:30:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:32:48] What a coincidence, because it weighs log(0) grams! [22:37:32] :3 [22:38:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:39:19] im back [22:39:25] I took some nice pictures [22:44:01] I can't think of a situation where log(0) makes sense [22:45:13] like the physical / intuitive notion - how to represent that [22:45:19] guess the planet https://i.imgur.com/AQmgnq5.jpg [22:48:02] log(${InfatesinmalNon-ZeroValue}), but tangible things can't be measured accurately enough to ever get there, so being a liar and telling your model to do log(0) is a mistake o.O [22:48:07] also I think my telescope has some optical default because point source of light were triangular https://i.imgur.com/kPerTii.jpg [22:48:59] lim x->0 log(x) decreases without bound [22:49:58] citing that limits "go there" is a cop out :P [22:50:17] I'm a firm believer in infatesinmal nonzero values which CAN be negative [22:50:46] like -? [22:50:52] mmm hot [22:50:55] <3 [22:52:21] I spelled infinitesimal wrong, but yes. exactly that. [22:52:36] uh I wish I had more zoom on my telescope [22:52:45] move it closer? [22:53:17] well I could walk like 50 meters but I don't think it would do much [22:53:30] maybe [22:55:07] because the planet in the pcture is jupiter [22:55:36] it's actually really bright but if you don't know what it is then you can't really differentiate it from another star [22:56:11] \_()_/ ( a \ a) [22:56:15] ignore that [22:56:20] I'm testing things [22:56:22] and stuff [22:56:31] Rokker did you like my picture [22:56:38] what pic [22:56:45] https://i.imgur.com/AQmgnq5.jpg [22:57:03] nice [22:57:29] I got vega too https://i.imgur.com/kPerTii.jpg [22:57:39] and some red giant but I forgot which one [22:58:07] Fluburtur: I prefer that Vega to the dum rocket [22:58:16] don't start again [22:58:50] Fluburtur: don't tell me what to do [22:59:10] I will [23:00:18] Fluburtur: no you wont [23:00:22] this was my setup btw https://i.imgur.com/iwEcH9y.jpg [23:00:44] Is there a video card that would fit in a PCIe 1x slot? That's my only slot that has space heh [23:01:00] Draconiator: uh [23:01:03] not a good ine [23:01:05] one [23:04:59] ah, my current card BARELY fits in my machine, and I think I found an upgrade that would work...Nvidia GT1030 from my GT610 [23:27:06] I could probably get a pic of the rings of saturn with my telescope [23:27:10] but it would be bad I think [23:27:46] Fluburtur: what about the moons of jupiter [23:27:56] look at the picture [23:28:00] I got 3 of them [23:28:11] https://i.imgur.com/AQmgnq5.jpg [23:29:22] what abut the blue dot to the liwer right of the others [23:29:46] could be a star [23:30:54] im pretty sure it isn't a moon [23:31:05] but not 100% [23:33:38] im gonna have a job soon so I can probably get a more proper telescope then but those cost a lot [23:40:28] uh now that I know how to point a telescope at jupiter I could rig up some radio telescope tuned to the hydrogen line and listen to jupiter [23:40:35] hmmm [23:41:00] heh, what three moons do you think you got? I also see at least 5 dots in here [23:41:20] You seen https://www.itelescope.net/ Fluburtur? I was camping siding spring recently. Incredible views [23:42:01] ganymede, europe and callisto I think [23:42:18] my friend had a sky map on his phone so im pretty sure it was those [23:42:29] I probably can't see the smaller ones with my telescope [23:43:06] didnt see io [23:43:14] was probably hiding somewhere [23:47:29] wooo esa didn't instantly crash away [23:52:16] I should go to bed now [23:52:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8EUpkLvmF4 [23:52:50] YouTube - Rating Agencies Explained [23:54:52] back [23:55:36] oren, lets continue ourpm thing