[01:40:29] noticing quite a few Space:1999 - Eagle stuff showing up on youtube recommended. Did I miss something? [03:15:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:32:02] ah scott 6 hours ago. but i was asleeep [03:39:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0dkyV09Zso [03:39:30] starlink live [03:58:32] t-10 sec [04:02:16] the grid fins lit up by the second stage engine. just as last time, looks great [04:05:59] said entry burn shutdown, but there was a flame still [04:06:15] hmm lost telemetry [04:07:02] no i think it fell down [04:07:10] it was on the right [04:07:13] way out [04:07:28] elon said there was about 60% chance of landing [06:49:50] ;mission [06:49:50] XXCoder: You've been tasked with organizing all of the training materials for new Kerbonauts. Krakens attack Kerbin. [06:50:53] hehe [06:52:24] Get in the [redacted] robot, jeb [06:54:57] hehehe [07:38:06] UmbralRaptop, hi [08:42:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:55:14] flayer: they have to do a reentry burn so it's not going too fast. [08:55:23] Althego: what was the main problem? Bad weather? [08:56:08] may be. or it was outside envelope [08:57:27] outside envelopeß [08:57:32] ? [08:57:49] hehe, the 60% success was for starship sn10 [08:57:57] so it was something else [08:58:39] there are circumstances when it can land, that is inside the envelope [08:59:01] sometimes they do flight envelope expansion, and try it a bit further out [08:59:13] i think they did that not too long ago too and it was successful [08:59:42] but today should have been a generic landing [09:00:00] Althego, hi [09:29:25] Althego: ah, that's what you meant. Well, the booster was flown for the 6th time. Could have broken up. Or they tried something with it, again [09:29:46] no, it was doin a landing burn [09:29:46] How many times does a booster last [09:30:10] there was some light outside of the camera [09:30:21] but too far away [09:30:55] but the last picture is saw was a flame still going after the breaking burn finished, and then the telemetry cut out too [09:31:49] Althego: that flame could've been ionized gases [09:32:02] Are they hiding something from us? [09:32:12] minas_tirith: I think they were talking about 6 flights. But some have flown more often already [09:32:27] max is currently 8 times [09:32:37] Interesting [09:33:33] and no, they are not hiding something. Probably some technical issue. It's usually something small that has this outcome [09:33:50] here https://youtu.be/L0dkyV09Zso?t=1596 [09:34:17] i havent seen such flame previously [09:34:21] maybe it was going too fast [09:34:54] it was also localized to a small portion [09:35:23] maybe the hydraulic fluid burned [09:35:35] at leaast it saved the birds on deck [09:35:49] still no road closures announced. Probably due to the blackouts in Texas. [09:36:04] Why is texas blacked out? [09:36:18] And I saw an article why there is a blackout at all. The Texan electrical grid is separate from the rest of the US' grid... [09:36:30] lol [09:36:32] why [09:36:52] I have heard it gets really cold in Texas [09:37:23] minas_tirith: Cold front, everyone is heating with electricity right now. But usually it's not that bad, the main power consumption is in summer by ACs. [09:37:24] based on the weather reports, they had 20 degrees and more in january. i didnt check recently since there seemed to be no launch [09:37:34] So many power plants are being serviced and offline. [09:37:55] oh and prepare for a hot summer. because somehow it is always the hottest on record [09:37:56] Not enough plants online + too much power draw = blackout [09:38:10] Althego: and the answer to your question is: Politics. And stubborn Texans. [09:38:11] plants online. connect them to stalink :) [09:38:27] How are the texans surviving the cold? [09:38:37] Freezing. [09:38:49] they get into their pickups :) [09:39:04] Human thing. Contracting muscles fast, burns energy, but makes warm. :D [09:39:05] Are the trucks warm? [09:39:25] The big and dirty Diesel creates heat [09:40:13] around 60-70 % of the power output of a Diesel engine is heat. [09:40:35] hey Mat2ch do you like the sound of a low distortion guitar [09:40:41] sometimes punk can sound cool with low distortion [09:41:22] Can you give me an example where it is used? [09:41:29] Mat2ch, https://shortdays.bandcamp.com/album/self-titled-lp [09:41:35] And talking about Diesel... where's my new car battery? [09:42:11] 60 only if you are lucky and have a ship :) [09:42:23] Do you own a ship? [09:42:31] Whats the efficiency of subs? [09:42:55] minas_tirith: if I'm in the mood for punk, then yes. [09:42:58] hehe less than 100%. you dont always get notiufications from youtube if you sub :) [09:43:09] Althego, submarine [09:43:12] :D [09:43:20] Mat2ch, hows the guitar sound in that album [09:43:31] Don't know, submarines should be very inefficient [09:43:40] anyway car engines are typically a bit less efficient [09:43:45] i dont know why [09:43:45] minas_tirith: I like it. But I'm not in the mood right now to listen to it all the time [09:43:57] Mat2ch, its a bit experimental sound [09:44:07] Althego: has something to do with optimal efficiency factor [09:44:27] minas_tirith: nah, classic punk it is. The british punk rockers used that in the 80s all the time :) [09:44:36] Really? [09:44:44] High reverb and super clean sound is new to me [09:44:46] wrt punk [09:45:24] Mat2ch, the low distortion sounds interesting [09:45:34] combined with the sharper frequencies in use [09:45:46] It sounds very "stringy" [09:47:03] Althego: you can keep ship engines at their optimal rotation speed for long times. That makes them efficient. [09:47:29] Mat2ch, compare against a more "standard" punk sound like Discharge [09:47:48] i thought because they were bigger [09:48:09] Ships are nice [09:48:13] but there's more to ships than the optimal efficiency factor of the engine. The rotation speed of the engine is calculated to the desired speed of the ship [09:48:18] i don care, i ship it :) [09:48:21] They are the reason we can get packages from across the sea [09:48:47] Mat2ch, also this band still seems to have some blues and rock like riffs sometimes [09:48:52] but if you go slower you are more fuel efficient, even though the engine doesn't run at optimal speed [09:49:39] minas_tirith: do you know the Toy Dolls? [09:49:45] Mat2ch, don't know them [09:49:55] this is my otp, i go down with this ship :) [09:51:07] yeah, I've had my fair share with ships and efficiency lately... [09:51:27] Mat2ch, do you run ship [09:51:28] Mat2ch, do you run ships [09:51:39] Mat2ch, troubles with DHL? [09:53:18] no, I just did some research about it for a project [09:56:12] and who doesn't have trouble with DHL? :D [09:56:17] hehe [09:56:52] they were the ones who stole 3 of my hdds while transportig it inside the city [09:57:24] luckily the shop sent them again [09:59:54] Action: minas_tirith puts Mat2ch in a ship [10:04:11] oh, currently we don't have to sign anything here if our packages arrived. [10:04:29] I don't even see the delivery driver anymore. Just puts my stuff in the elevator and presses the button for my floor... [10:04:49] Some are using this as an excuse to say that they never got their package at all [10:15:15] Hi sandbox [10:15:31] lo [11:51:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:38:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:38:00] ... wee...? [13:39:02] Helo JVFoxy [13:39:46] morn'n... [13:40:16] we still adventuring through space? [13:40:42] Oh, we are, every day, on this big very bluey ball of dirt. [13:40:54] sorry, couldn't help myself there :) [13:42:38] hehe [13:45:18] dirt and water.. don't forget [13:45:36] two more days till red dust landing though [14:11:12] or another one bites the dust [14:12:13] the only planet solely inhabited by robots :) [14:12:20] or maybe nor [14:12:34] there van be some bacteria undergroud [14:26:19] underground frozen water [14:26:33] sad the drill bit didn't get too far into the ground. [16:21:06] UmbralRaptop, hey [16:27:06] heyeyey whats goging on :) [16:29:51] Althego, depressive riffs [16:30:03] Massive, long drawn out atmospheric chords [16:37:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:38:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:38:23] raptop, welcome back bro [16:44:05] Limited connectivity because of logistical silliness [16:45:01] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:12:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-M1Jb7FlSg [18:12:39] some perseverance thing live [18:16:50] a [18:17:04] hydrodynamic shark sound? [18:17:33] what [18:17:43] TristenYT, hi [18:17:44] doesnt matter then [18:17:59] minas_tirith hi [18:19:21] guys i came up with a cool name for Mün Rover [18:19:42] Mün rovers* [18:20:52] i would obviosul call them rover N [18:21:12] N as in 1,2,3,...? [18:21:34] yes [18:22:06] ...is a hydronamic shark a ray? [18:22:13] *hydrodynamic [18:22:25] Anyway, what sort of rover name? [18:22:29] I call them Münarovers (A mix between Münar and rover) [18:22:45] Compare with lunikhod? [18:23:06] I haven't landed one yet [18:23:12] TristenYT, are you swedish [18:23:18] or finnish [18:23:22] you are using finnish letters [18:23:26] minas_tirith no Im american [18:23:30] raptop: since it is the flattest :) [18:23:36] ü is German [18:23:44] oh [18:23:50] It's also another way to spell The Mun [18:23:53] TristenYT, are you a german immigrant [18:23:56] i can use ü too [18:24:06] Mün [18:24:08] üwü [18:24:09] No I'm 35% German in my DNA tho [18:24:09] i also have ű [18:24:30] I'm like 50% hispanic [18:24:41] Ah, the scary diacritic [18:24:49] Obscure letters [18:24:55] ö [18:25:02] TristenYT: And the NSA can synthesize your DNA and plant it anywhere. [18:25:13] yes [18:25:21] DNA Cloning [18:25:56] Probably one of the few more difficult things than rocket science [18:25:56] ü [18:25:59] ü [18:26:01] Ő ő Ű ű [18:26:09] Rocket science is easy [18:26:11] Anyone can do it [18:26:13] pöggers [18:26:30] It's easy to do it once you get used to it [18:26:31] rocket engineering on the other hand... [18:26:38] ü is also Turkish. Are you turkish, Althego? [18:26:48] no, why would i be turkish [18:26:53] rocket engineering is harder than controlling a rocket [18:27:02] hehehe, turkish prison (airplane) [18:27:04] uhhh, calling Althego turkish is harsh... ;) [18:27:14] Turkish is obscure [18:27:23] Althego: idk. I asked you if you're German, and I wasn't sure if you said you're Turkish. [18:27:28] who knows, they spent some 200 years [18:27:31] here [18:27:33] Althego is neither Finnish nor Estonian [18:27:40] Me: *doesn't use struts to hold stages together* KSP: no [18:27:51] I mean, depending on the stage size and mass [18:27:58] if i relly have to, i use the autostruts [18:28:02] and engine size and decoupler [18:28:11] in modern ksp it is very rare to acatually need normal part struts [18:28:23] AUtostruts are cheating. Struts should work. [18:28:33] I play KSP Enhanced Edition on console [18:28:56] eh [18:29:03] but even that was upgraded lately [18:29:17] when is 1.15 gonna be added to console [18:29:25] i want gold visors and toolboxes [18:29:49] 1.15 is maybe 2-3 years away by the looks of it :) [18:29:55] since 1.11 is the current [18:30:00] Now Engineer Kerbals have more purpose for existing [18:30:05] bruh [18:30:20] i need money to buy my own personal pc [18:31:28] KSP on console is actually relatively easy to play, since every button does something [18:32:03] i think the keyboard is full too [18:32:10] Almost [18:32:19] It's mainly the left side of the keyboard [18:32:22] i put some extra keys where there was nothing [18:32:31] yeah [18:32:42] it's useful and saves time [18:32:51] so you don't have to use your cursor [18:35:25] I know that W + S is Yaw, A + D is Pitch, Q + E is Roll, Z + X is Throttle Up/Down, Left Shift + Left Ctrl is Full/No Throttle, T is Stability Assist, and G is deploy and retract landing legs or wheels. [18:35:50] Space is next stage, too [18:36:47] Arrow keys is to look around, mouse scroll is zoom when launching but leveling in VAB and Hangar. [18:37:01] why do i memorize these things [18:37:30] 1234567890 "normal" action groups, backspace abort, [ ] to cycle through nearby craft [18:37:51] Action: raptop can't recall home pgup/dn, home, end, etc are for switching modes [18:37:58] Also, capslock for FINE CONTROL [18:38:34] Helpful for aircraft [18:39:03] Yeah [18:39:04] I configured full/no/increase/decrease throttle to page down/end/page up/home. [18:39:17] or if you dont have sas [18:39:25] Also, reminder that ferram4 somehow flies craft using PWM [18:42:24] I found the Dawn works less efficient if the electricity supply is intermittent, like if the batteries run low and solar can't provide full power. [18:42:28] what is fine control [18:43:18] Makes the inputs start out smaller and then ramp up, for finer control for maneuvers [18:43:24] oh [18:43:37] I also remember that M is to open/close the map [18:44:23] Also, why is docking so hard?! [18:44:34] Because it's a precision job. [18:44:54] That's why I don't ever land on the Mun Apollo-style [18:45:00] And because you don't set the target port as target and use the target marker on the navball. [18:45:18] Or maybe you don't use RCS. [18:45:28] I tried that once but I accidentally un-targeted [18:45:41] Nah, I don't use RCS unless I need to [18:46:05] You also need to control from your docking port. [18:46:34] I've never tried that [18:46:44] I always control from probes or pods [18:46:45] Well, you can dock without RCS. It's just ... hard. [18:47:02] because it's harder to turn larger spacecraft [18:47:19] RMB click on the docking port of the vessle you control and select 'control from here'. [18:47:27] i dont believ it, another engineer [18:47:34] while i still have only two scientists [18:47:35] but when you're, like, just a pod, you can spin so fast you become an interplanetary helicopter [18:47:54] as soon as bob returns from the mun he is leaving for minmus [18:49:08] I made two different "Kerbalized" versions of Apollo. The first ones I named "Kerpollo" and my newest ones I will do soon are going to be "Kapollo." [18:49:32] I'm now trying to make Kerbalized names of real missions [18:53:03] Kapollo 13 => Kaboom (sorry) [18:54:13] NASA must have thought of everything that could go wrong if they had to put a heat shield on the LEM [18:55:07] ? [18:55:15] The LEM didn't have a heat shield? [18:55:27] (I mean, the standard stuff I've seen is that it burned up on reentry) [18:56:31] well, all that shiny gold foil is a thermal protection system [18:56:35] The Apollo 13's Service Module had a malfunction inside of it that caused 2/3 of it's hydrogen and oxygen tanks to blow out. [18:57:13] They couldn't live for much longer in the Command Module, so they got back to Earth in the Lunar Module and had to skip the Lunar Landing. [18:57:42] nthis is not exactly news today :) [18:58:40] That's why I made the joke :P [18:58:49] btw they got back to earth in the command module, as intended. the lem provided life support and rcs during the trip [18:58:57] It was on April 11, 1970 though [18:59:00] oh [18:59:09] I thought they splashed down in the LEM [18:59:34] nevermind [18:59:43] in fact even in the movie, a big issue was, they had to boot up the command module computer and life support from the batteries of the lem, it was never designed to do that [19:00:13] normally the reverse was done, the command module supported the lem [19:00:17] Didn't they just take the medical supplies, life support, and oxygen tanks? [19:00:43] They also used the LEM's Descent and/or Ascent Engine to get back [19:01:29] i remember they needed to do some correction manually without the computer, but i dont know if it was doen by the rcs or the main engine. could have been the main enigne [19:01:37] but they were on a free return trajectory [19:05:45] I'm probably only gonna do 10-15 Kapollo Missions. Kapollo 1 - 5 will test the rocket's different stages and modules. Kapollo 6 - 8 will be Probe Controlled Mun flyby and return missions. Kapollo 9 will have a crewed flyby, but a probe will do a Mun landing and return. Kapollo 10, 11, & 12 (Possibly 13, 14, & 15) will be the first crewed Mun landin [19:05:45] g and return missions. [19:07:37] TristenYT, space is very dark [19:07:48] yes [19:08:43] nothing is there for the light to bounce off of, so it's just a jet black background with stars, planets, galaxies, moons, and lots of other things [19:10:01] TristenYT, its empty and scary [19:10:39] it's also very big [19:10:51] TristenYT, yes [19:11:23] TristenYT, its terrifying how even denser regions like nebulae have such a low molecular density [19:11:37] TristenYT, like [19:11:53] It's also where it gets its name; "Space." Because space is mostly empty space. Only 4% of the Observable Universe is filled, according to my book [19:11:57] One won't even realize visually one has flown into a nebula [19:12:45] filled seems like the wrong term. 4% is baryonic matter, rather? [19:12:50] yes [19:12:59] thats what i meant [19:13:02] ah [19:13:10] and, like, over 75% is dark matter [19:13:10] TristenYT, apparently the orion has a density like 10^4 cm-3 molecules [19:13:12] Also, solar system scale models still feel weird [19:13:22] yeah [19:13:22] no, dark matter is 20 something [19:13:26] the rest is dark energy [19:13:31] oh yeah [19:13:33] raptop, mercury stuffed inside the sun and jupiter way out into the other building? [19:13:35] i mixed it [19:13:41] minas_tirith: it's weird how low the number densities of those "dense molecular clouds" are [19:13:47] raptop, exactly [19:13:50] ^^ [19:13:59] If you are flying a ship you won't even know you flew into one [19:15:05] Well, when I make scale solar system models, I mix the Imperial and Metric system together [19:16:30] I mean, sure. you get a sufficiently amusing version of how the orbits are from 1" == 1 au [19:17:04] raptop, also remember the relative sizes of the sphers [19:17:06] raptop, also remember the relative sizes of the spheres [19:17:44] raptop, you know whats actually strange to me [19:17:59] What I usually do is... 1 millimeter = 1 thousand miles, 1 centimeter = 10 thousand miles, 1 meter = 1 million miles, 1 kilometer = 1 billion miles, 93 meters/0.93 kilometers = 1 Astronomical Unit / AU (The average distance between the Earth and the Sun, 93 million miles.) [19:18:07] How of all the various orientations possible it turned out that the planets orbit the sun more or less in the same plane [19:18:32] Maybe the protoplanetary disk? [19:18:33] that is not really a coincidence [19:18:40] It's magic. [19:18:41] Althego, how [19:18:54] protostellar disk* [19:18:59] conservation of angular momentum [19:19:20] Angular momentum would be conserved in any angle around the sun [19:19:29] why does it happen to be that many planets share the same plane [19:19:52] Put shortly, isn't something like the bodies also exert forces on each other in every direction [19:20:08] Because the protostellar disk circles the Sun in a flat plane [19:20:24] and then the asteroids smash together into protoplanets [19:20:27] so all planets being in the same plane is the stablest? [19:20:28] minas_tirith: Because the matter in the protostellar cloud had angular momentum and friction caused it to form a disk. [19:20:35] the question is, why it became a disk [19:20:46] Magnetic field maybe [19:21:35] because if Uranus' poles are at a 90º angle and their magnetic field is also at a 90º angle [19:21:54] darsie, thats very interesting [19:22:24] I would be curious to figure out why of all the possible configurations the stellar cloud happened to take on a disk form [19:22:59] so apparently the momentum imparted to this disk still shows its effect in the orbits of the planets [19:23:14] There probably is someone who knows, we just don't know [19:23:30] If a particle has high inclination and passes through the cloud, it will collide and on average the particles will get closer to a plane perpendicular to the axis of rotation. [19:23:54] An the planets get inclination from getting hit from asteroids and planets maybe [19:23:57] I should probably try some simulations with random particle clouds sometimes [19:24:49] Earth most likely got it's axial tilt from getting hit by Theia, which also caused the Moon to be formed, maybe. [19:26:11] You know it'd be a fun experiment to try. I have never attempted physical simulations before. [19:26:39] universe sandbox? [19:27:01] Whats that [19:27:16] http://universesandbox.com/ [19:32:22] I think it'd be more raw and trve kvlt if I attempt from scratch myself [19:34:07] Althego, interesting website though [19:35:55] Action: raptop is legally required to mention MERCURY6 now [19:37:06] Oh, very interesting [19:37:11] I should learn the fortran some time too [19:37:21] How do you do the star thing? I used to know but I forgot [19:38:07] Put lots of hydrogen in one place. [19:38:36] hardee harhar [19:38:43] :) [19:39:06] But you also need helium and lots of other things [19:39:11] no [19:39:12] minas_tirith: well, it's set up so you can just mess with config files [19:39:13] H will do [19:39:27] h [19:39:39] raptop, I thank you for recommending this library but I feel I should first try writing my own program from scartch [19:39:47] heh [19:40:02] Note that N-body integrators can have some subtelties [19:40:18] Don't forget to write a compiler in machine language. [19:40:33] Thats nice, I would like to shed blood and tears myself and understand the possible issues with it [19:40:59] Naturally I would not rely on such code for serious applications but I consider an experiment like this important to understanding something [19:41:16] what, you dont want to build your own cpu from scratch? :) [19:41:46] Start with hydrogen, then use a supernova to make a CPU. [19:41:59] hehe [19:42:15] use your own universe [19:50:15] Something something FLRW model [19:54:49] a [19:55:26] 🦈❓ [19:55:38] i asked that too [19:55:41] but apparently not [19:55:48] so what is that flrw [19:56:16] what thre will be a previoew of the landing tomorrow [19:56:16] Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker [19:56:22] why would they do that [19:56:25] nobody cares [19:56:28] i want to see the landing [19:56:46] and we cant even see that because nobody is there to film it, and there is also the time delay [19:57:26] I looked up the question on google, so apparently the current explanation is that asymmetries in the nebular density cause the gas to coalese into a disk like shape initially [19:57:32] we simulate for you how we are going to simulate the landing for you a day later [19:57:47] and that apparently is the oldest root cause for this matching of orbital planes [20:08:49] Hey, guys. Did you know that Saturn is less dense than water? So, if you put Saturn inside a giant space bathtub, it would float. [20:09:31] ys i knew [20:09:36] Its average density is lower but when you dive down deep you'll find yourself in rather dense regions [20:10:07] You'd be crushed like a soda can [20:11:35] Also, the Perseverance Rover is gonna land on Mars on the 18th at 3:52pm EST [20:13:23] soda yo :) [20:13:40] i couldnt stop tha tpun [20:13:40] yes [20:14:08] I have that endless clip in my head now [20:14:59] "So dayo, so dayo, so dayo..." [20:15:51] Can I get an "OWA OWA" [20:16:32] Outlook Web Access? [20:17:01] :l [20:17:43] hehehe [20:18:03] hey wanna hear a secret [20:18:59] oh there will be flat earth content tomorrow [20:19:14] I'm the same person who started that Imperial System vs. Metric System War a few months ago. :) [20:19:24] doesnt matter [20:19:32]