[05:08:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+oo DuoDex NBones ' by catastrophe.esper.net [05:36:10] ...so I'm pretty sure I just completely destroyed the screen output connector of my smartphone [06:46:24] so it seems that since I smashed the damn connector, all I can do now is take the phone to a professional data recovery [06:47:54] hulk smash [06:48:19] how about wifi? [06:48:32] you could just copy things [06:49:10] phone should be in airplane mode with wifi off [06:49:50] not for a backup :) [06:57:06] so no USB either I take it, so no ADB? [06:58:41] yeah, can't turn on usb debugging [06:58:54] by the way, this close is too close https://i.imgur.com/je2Hzf7.jpg [08:19:34] https://66.media.tumblr.com/12e767e2bb5cf557a55e69b13c04deda/tumblr_p2w4hf4PPn1vjcb7vo1_540.jpg [08:20:03] that is why only 3 peoples can understand when I say "gornier" and then laugh like an idiot [08:20:37] laboratoire garnier [08:21:59] it is because in il2 1946 the horten 229 is called the gotha 229 [08:22:08] so itonly show the initials go 229 [08:22:11] so we called it gornier [08:23:21] the transition from 229 to rnier is mysterious [08:23:29] lol [08:30:46] https://66.media.tumblr.com/980167e9ab79a9c38f12b2d87a175229/tumblr_pl44pljlob1xoyw8po2_540.jpg [08:32:42] safety glasses, to server and protect [08:32:57] -r [08:33:06] that was good safety glasses but probably the cheapest grinder disc ever [08:33:16] those are not supposed to snap in half like that [09:54:16] for some weird reason the jump from "go" to "gornier" seems less crazy than the jump from "horten" to "gotha" [10:00:19] the latter seems to be a misattribution to me [10:00:40] otherwise, when people talk about gotha i think of these https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Strassenbahn-nmb-tw36undtw51_depot.jpg [10:01:09] or rather, a coincidental simialr name of the designers and the company which produced it [10:02:34] and i think of these http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/v3ED049C7/www/products/model_kitsets/32005/archive_photos/Gotha%20G.IV%20405~16%20(AL0912-003a).jpg [10:03:55] well, it WAS technically a factory for train wagons... [10:04:05] lol indeed [10:04:35] well by the size of it, i'd rather call that a flying shed, not a boxcar [10:04:38] these trams were produced in the 1950s [10:04:49] oh, also maybe railroad cars were smaller back then [10:17:01] Eddi|zuHause, i recall that statement that during the WW1 if you wanted to produce aircraft you'd only need a supply of engines and a piano-making workshop [10:25:11] that was before planes were made of aluminium :p [10:25:35] aluminum [10:25:54] no [10:26:05] american planes are [10:26:32] wait what [10:26:36] what to heck [10:26:37] we're talking about german planes [10:26:38] go 229 [10:26:50] my eyes hurt dont make me read that again [10:27:08] that was mostly wooden [10:27:26] Eddi|zuHause, then it should be Aluminium :) [10:27:30] no u [10:28:00] I hate this Me 109 and Go 229 historical revisionism crap [10:28:02] shoo [10:28:08] Bf and Ho [10:28:12] begone [10:28:41] your Bf? [10:29:26] Rokker there is a non zero chance I will come to your country in the next one or two years [10:29:39] in order ot visit flite test, my friend foamie ninja and maybe peter [10:29:51] Fluburtur: you shall be the second Frenchman I show around the nmusaf [10:30:36] oh, about Al [10:30:47] they brought some for me to work on [10:33:18] according to that site, us analogues will be 2024 and 7075 [10:40:01] so it seems that since I smashed the damn connector, all I can do now is take the phone to a professional data recovery <-- isn't that just "take out the SD card and put it in a working phone"? [10:41:07] Eddi|zuHause, internal storage [10:53:31] "The use of Gotha planes in WW1 to bomb London was one of the reasons for renaming the ruling family into 'Windsor'" [10:56:41] oh yeah, one of the triple family name was it [10:58:59] i'd not call it triple, but it was "Sachsen Coburg und Gotha" [10:59:18] I think someone sold my phone number, i got two calls i didnt want today [10:59:22] didnt answer them tho [10:59:50] and if it was your mom who got a new phone? [11:00:47] well according to what peoples on the internet say about this number, I doubt it [11:01:06] plus I havent talked to my mom in about 5 years so I wouldnt answaer anyways [11:01:13] it is written with hyphens in russian [11:02:37] but the key here is the two cities of "Coburg" and "Gotha", where "Sachsen" is more like an overarching prefix [11:03:25] i'd say each language has its own transliteration traditions [11:03:54] i don't think the name was properly standardized [11:04:33] there was also a "Sachsen Weimar-Eisenach", which is famously known for hosting Goethe and Schiller [11:05:44] but the name "Sachsen" was really widespread [11:06:21] like, there was a "Sachsen Lauenburg" which isn't even remotely close to these two [11:06:54] and the electorate of Sachsen, which was much larger and more important [11:08:58] well saxony is quite a large area [11:10:29] well, historically, the saxon tribes even lived in a different area. the name shifted with the ruling families, not the people moving [11:11:53] ah, and the people. right [11:16:15] and then there's this weird roundabout way where 1000 years after "the anglos and saxons" invaded britain, they made a person from Hannover their king, which is in a region now called "Lower Saxony", which roughly encompasses the original settlement area of the saxon tribes [12:02:09] come see the frog on my head ;) https://www.twitch.tv/taniwhaqf [12:02:37] no frog, I want a refund [12:03:13] where's the frog [12:06:53] under the headphone band [12:07:25] taniwha, if you need plush frogs i could recommend one of these https://topatoco.com/collections/tyson-hesse/products/bxr-frogs [13:16:00] http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot4475.png [14:02:43] so my phone is unsalvageable. my only remaining choice is use USB OTG to connect an arduino which sends mouse coordinates calculated from screenshots to authenticate and enable USB debugging [14:03:19] yes [14:03:29] or alternatively, obtain a second device, connect an actual mouse, and trace the required mouse movements on paper [14:27:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:59:58] Thanks to OneNick349Days for letting me know how many days are left in the year [15:00:07] you are welcome [15:00:26] finally some recognition, everyone else just abuses me :( [15:01:26] oh hey TheKosmonaut I had something I wanted to tell you but forgot about it [15:01:46] o/ Kosmo, long time no see [15:04:34] some of you I have told you already but just to celebrate the image not having been on the internal storage https://i.imgur.com/0vx4YOY.jpg [15:07:33] What's that? [15:12:19] APlayer, eel surface burst [15:23:02] Actually, now that there is no super-imminent work... I think I'm just going to fire up KSP and play for a bit. So long... [15:23:40] and thanks fro all the fish [15:24:11] Yo, thanks fro! [15:26:57] and it took insight a week to lower the seismometer from the ground to the ground [15:27:23] with this speed maybe we can see the cover on it in a month [15:32:00] The next meteorite impact on Mars is not scheduled before April, so there is still time [15:37:21] APlayer: I am always here [15:37:25] Only kosmo is doing [15:38:17] Only kosmo is doing what? [15:38:21] hehe [15:38:33] i think it is a reference to the allah is doing guy [15:38:44] Mod9000 is not doing [15:38:48] Only kosmo is doing [15:38:55] https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1085216950634967040 [15:38:56] <NASAInSight> My seismometer has now crouched down to its lowest level, for a better connection with #Mars. Faint signals are eas& https://t.co/gsMSi6e2aH [15:39:00] i mean this took them a week [15:39:00] Action: APlayer is not doing understanding [15:39:20] TheKosmonaut: you've been missing some good stuff: http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot4475.png [15:39:35] sometimes a guy/bot comes in. then starts to spam lines like: the sun is not doing, allah is doing. etc [15:39:44] taniwha: good looking deep spacecraft [15:39:55] My monitor is busted and I can't afford to fix it (thanks apple) [15:40:03] also, though I just finished up for the night (there are vods...): https://www.twitch.tv/taniwhaqf [15:40:03] So I haven't played in months [15:40:52] ouch [15:41:03] o/ taniwha, long time no see too! [15:41:12] hi, APlayer :) [15:41:17] Kosmo: Awww. No spare laying around in the basement? [15:41:24] what was that with the frog on your head? [15:41:27] That's how I got myself a second monitor [15:41:35] :P [15:41:42] Althego: I use a little toy frog to cushion my headphones [15:41:59] Ooh, nice craft you have there [15:42:17] (the cross-head strap is covered with leather, but hard metal is hard metal and digs in after an hour or so) [15:43:12] Action: APlayer does not want to upgrade to 1.6 and later go fixing all the mods again [15:43:14] APlayer: thanks [15:43:28] here it is just prior to actual launch: http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot4472.png [15:43:40] (it was built on gilly, is enroute to duna) [15:43:50] How many parts is it made of? [15:43:50] I'm still on 1.5.1 [15:43:53] 125 [15:43:57] I'm still on 1.3 :P [15:44:03] 48 of then RLA LV-Nc [15:44:14] (yes, 48 engines) [15:44:23] Why so many? [15:44:32] thrust :) [15:44:39] but they're only 230kg each, so... [15:44:45] (they produce 6.45kN) [15:44:48] Bah, impatient folks these days :P [15:44:59] 0.3g is impatient? [15:45:06] Definitely [15:45:17] You should use ion engines more often :P [15:45:49] My low sun rescue mission had a whopping... could not lift from Minmus surface [15:46:10] (had to add 3 more LV-Ns to get it off the surface) [15:46:21] then removed them again for the ”V [15:46:26] IIRC, the last non surface-to-orbit thing I flew had a TWR of 0.005 [15:46:34] hehe [15:46:41] that is useless [15:46:52] at least i would never wait for it [15:47:05] Ion engines, direct hohmann transfer from Kerbin to Duna in KScale64 [15:47:13] you don't wait for it, you chat with your viewers ;) [15:47:13] The burn took 8 hours on x8 time warp [15:47:21] :P [15:47:29] which is stil la bargain compared to a real probe with months [15:48:41] btw, had an interesting rendezvous tonight: http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot4477.png [15:48:59] compare the two KSP intercepts and KAC's data [15:49:33] That's a thing I may have asked in the past, but... How does KSP actually calculate the closest approach? [15:49:50] probably complicated :) [15:49:58] well, for rendezvous, it's not: it's where your orbit crosses your target's orbit [15:50:21] But they can't really perfectly cross, can they? [15:50:27] then, KSP just finds those times and checks the target's position at those times [15:50:33] of course they can [15:50:54] or at least within 1m [15:51:03] That's what I mean [15:51:04] (or less, really) [15:51:27] But isn't that rare? I mean, I would expect that most orbits come no closer than 10, 20, 30 m [15:51:43] I've seen KAC say closest aproach was < 1m [15:52:32] not so much rare, but difficult to get from a large distance [15:54:53] But assuming the 2.2 km separation marker you have there [15:55:14] Probably the actual orbit lines have a separation of a few 10s or 100s of m [15:55:34] not related [15:55:37] How would the closest approach be calculated with those? [15:55:42] its the timing [15:55:54] Timing? [15:56:04] the three numbers [15:56:11] anyway, as for your how: projection [15:56:43] is one way, anyway [15:57:18] however, the way I did it for KSP was to find the closest points between two curves [15:57:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:57:57] and that... [15:58:17] Apologies, I didn't receive anything past "projection" [15:58:27] the line from the closest point on any curve to an arbitrary point is perpendicular to the curve at that point [15:58:39] however, the way I did it for KSP was to find the closest points between two curves [15:58:57] all you missed of importance was the one line [15:59:50] Someone is messing with the router [15:59:55] so the closest "approach" between two curves is where the line from a point on one curve to a point on the other is perpendicular to /both/ curves [15:59:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:00:38] taniwha: That makes sense. So it calculates the closest approach as the distance between the two vessels when one of them will be on this line? [16:01:01] well, that's not the closest approach, and KSP doesn't say it is [16:01:13] (that's why it says "intercept") [16:01:20] The intercept, then :D [16:01:25] but yes [16:02:14] And what about the scenario where the orbits do not intersect even remotely? [16:02:15] now, for closest approach (for planetary bodies), KSP starts from the intercept points searching for the actual closest approach (I think, that code was messier and I didn't get to fix it properly) [16:02:40] APlayer: no change [16:03:15] Gradient descent optimizing distance against time? [16:03:29] Or something along the lines, that is [16:03:48] no, it still finds the closest points on the two curves [16:04:40] no matter how far apart two curves are (or their shapes), there will always be at least one minimum distance [16:05:11] I see [16:05:13] for conic sections, there can be two [16:05:59] Hi [16:06:00] (I think) [16:06:14] hi, Tank2333 [16:06:15] For conic sections, there definitely can be two [16:06:31] O/ [16:06:36] E.g., one conic section intersecting the other, twice [16:06:46] Can even have a shared focus [16:07:32] APlayer: it's the "or more" I'm unsure of [16:07:40] (I think there aren't more, but...) [16:08:02] I know there are also (at least?) two furthest points [16:08:18] (paired) [16:08:25] Could they also intersect four times? [16:08:30] With a shared focus? [16:08:36] ie, for every closest line, there's a furthest [16:09:05] ok, yeah, for non-shared focus, 4 closest is possible [16:09:19] it's for shared that I think there are only 2 of each [16:10:04] er, no, darn. I just managed to imagine a scenario with 4 closest points [16:10:22] (near) circular orbit + extreme hyperbolic orbit [16:10:24] I suppose, being pedantic, you could say that an infinite amount of closest points is possible with two circles [16:10:41] you *see* only two, but there are actually four because of the other side of the hyperbola [16:10:52] and yes, there's that [16:10:56] Glassyuri: Bao shao mian? [16:10:59] Well, that's not quite how it works with orbits [16:11:04] There is not "other" side [16:11:08] no* [16:11:10] Oh. Guess he went off [16:11:11] APlayer: yes there is [16:11:27] it just takes 2*infinite time to get there [16:11:32] Hehe [16:11:49] or NaN, depending on your pedantry [16:12:01] infinf [16:12:32] but... the other side is sometimes physical: when the force is repulsive rather than attractive [16:12:52] (eg, two +ve charges) [16:13:27] and in the repulsive case, hyperbolas are the only possibility [16:14:16] I see [16:14:17] TheKosmonaut, lol even google gives 'eel surface burst' as a possible translation https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=%E7%88%86%E9%B3%9D%E9%9D%A2 [16:15:09] Unrelated: I want to see a hab module named "Orbitat": https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS/commands/prediction.html [16:22:34] heh [16:22:57] anyway, I need to get to bed [16:23:04] had planned on going an hour ago :/ [16:23:36] boldy go [16:24:38] Good night! [16:27:01] GlassYuri: that's probably how they did it [16:27:09] Looks good though, I'd eat it. [16:27:25] Proper translation should probably be fried freshwater eel noodles [16:31:37] TheKosmonaut, the were very consistent about translating b as surface, except for a few meals where it got lost completely [16:34:24] https://i.imgur.com/sn4BL1y.jpg [16:35:08] https://i.imgur.com/lNX9Tbk.jpg [16:35:49] i never wanted to eat a mine [16:36:27] I dont think c4 is poisonous [16:36:30] or not that much [16:36:50] https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/386/000/7d6.jpg [16:37:25] Fluburtur, IIRC soldiers in vietnam would eat the claymore to fake sickness, but if you eat too much C4 it will completely destroy your liver [16:42:45] I hope weather will be nice tomorrow [16:42:51] I want to fly the glider to 1km up [16:48:45] wintergatan [16:49:12] I think I will buy the wintergatan tshirt [16:49:56] tehre is some zzzz-zzzz [16:54:00] https://66.media.tumblr.com/28ac351813cf5047c19258b5b9b748d3/tumblr_plc182dA7J1vkgjmeo2_540.jpg [17:04:22] So, I am trying to make an all SRB launcher in RSS [17:04:26] Wish me luck [17:04:59] Good luck [17:05:23] build a vega? [17:05:31] Sort of [17:06:02] An Epsilon or Lambda? [17:06:08] Hehe [17:06:22] Just a four stage SRB launcher [17:06:39] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:07:02] 1.6% payload mass ratio [17:07:13] Probably will be even less [17:07:29] but it should be cheap because of the solids [17:07:55] nomal? [17:08:37] Yes. There are, uh, reasons. [17:10:51] Yeah, I guess the numbers look much better if you double the size of stage 1 [17:11:00] MOAR SRB [17:11:47] New payload ratio: More like 0.8% [17:12:16] Launch costs about 50k funds per ton to orbit. [17:17:53] What shall we call this monstrosity? [17:18:18] a solid rod :) [17:18:52] Good enough :D [17:19:06] So it shall be SR-1 [17:19:07] "ðŸš€ðŸ”¥" [17:20:20] Oohh, FMRS popped up. I might allow stage recovery! [17:22:18] https://i.imgur.com/x4DsgyG.png payload to LEO is a 500 kg satellite. Any bets if it will flip or make it? [17:24:15] Oh, it will not make it because Kerbalism is broken and does not recognize the antenna link. Let me disable that [17:28:32] Rokker rmember https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533692229693210656/535147552698400774/20171206003212_1.jpg [17:29:37] hehe [17:29:54] the joy of bots https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533692229693210656/535148585566601237/2015-02-07_00003.jpg [17:30:01] red orchestra 2 is the best game ever [17:30:55] Eww. [17:31:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533692229693210656/535148210704875521/20181213145810_1.jpg [17:32:38] who is johann and why should i care about him? [17:45:11] I guess when you make an all SRB rocket, throttling the boosters in VAB might be helpful to avoid burning up at 20 km altitude [17:58:01] Or add more payload. [17:59:30] 50 kVF/t to orbit? In what reality? [18:00:16] kVF/t? [18:00:25] kilo virtual funds per ton [18:00:26] KSP Funds? [18:00:30] yep [18:00:32] drop the virtual [18:00:42] Uh, is that much or little? [18:00:47] i was trying to think of something why the v was there [18:01:07] The funds logo looks sort of like a [18:01:14] Isn't it more like 1 kUSD/kg? [18:01:23] 10 kUSD [18:01:38] On second look, it reminds me of a stylized VF [18:08:20] Actually, the rocket seems to be stable enough [18:08:32] Just low TWR, surprisingly [18:08:59] And exceedingly high towards the end of a stage [18:10:42] Action: darsie built a 1 t payload for 1400 VF ... [18:10:51] This is RSS [18:11:04] And an all SRB rocket :P [18:11:30] ok :) [18:13:40] I think I forgot how to KSP too. Failing to launch this thing [18:16:53] Press space ;) [18:17:37] Afraid that's not going to do it [18:18:21] roving on the ocean floor. I've never been down here before [18:18:51] Do you get a nice view? [18:18:54] jeb was not killed violently [18:19:39] It's damn hard to land with parachute without falling over. [18:19:40] Jeb lived up to his expectations, and when they happened, he died in a natural way [18:20:33] the ocean floor, brought to you by taniwha [18:20:55] Bathyniwha [18:21:11] My Jeb escaped death by sneaking into a rocket bound for a huge orbit. Not he's stranded far from the solar system. [18:21:16] and since then i visited all the ocean floors in the kerbol system [18:21:38] Action: APlayer wonders if Kerbol has an ocean floor [18:22:09] it doesnt even have a surface [18:22:24] btw why isnt it kersol? [18:22:36] ok offciically it is the sun [18:22:46] Because they are not Kersals [18:22:49] It's a nice blue view :) I might set up a base down here [18:23:36] There is altitude above Kerbol. [18:25:27] Anyone remember KSP or IRL LEO orbital velocity? [18:25:46] 2.35 km/s vs 7.5 km/s? [18:26:05] I mean KSP RSS, that is. Hence LEO [18:26:33] 7.5 seems doable at this point [18:26:41] On track for about 8 km/s [18:27:13] Plus my payload has limited propulsion capacity if needed [18:32:19] Aye, 237x5 km "orbit" by solid rockets! [18:32:35] Easy to adjust with RCS thrusters now [18:43:41] finally some launch dates appeared [18:44:03] does the nrol make it this time? find out in our next episode! [18:56:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:56:17] skiing again? :) [18:59:56] No, mildly incompetent people trying to do weird things with the router [19:00:06] Without any warning, that is [20:09:22] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533692229693210656/535188758669164554/unknown.png [20:10:31] and that is how planes are made [20:56:29] If I fly more than once around Kerbin, unpowered, am I in orbit? :) [20:56:56] Unpowered, as in no engine, but Kerbals paddling at the air? [20:57:21] no engines, kerbals in capsule. [20:57:29] Revenge of the infiniglider! [20:57:30] but Pe<70 km. [20:57:49] irl it would count as orbit. [20:58:25] Sputnik was in orbit, too. [21:00:10] you can be in orbit, and part of it deep in the atmesphere... [21:00:13] won't last too long though [21:35:34] that's an orbit, yep [21:36:42] I mean, it works for MAVEN's deep dips. [23:43:51] game seems to think "orbit" is a different thing :p [23:56:21] Eddit|zuHause oh? [23:56:35] Eddi|zuHause oop