[00:15:31] N70|zzz, thanks for porting Kerbalism to 1.4. You'll be getting a PR soon from Haully, who has been maintaining a fork for a while now. [00:20:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:48:10] Action: UmbralRaptop pokes the store with a stick. [00:49:32] well, I got over 90 science from the Mun flyby tourist ship. With no scientist or antenna. Next trip, may try to do it "right". [00:50:38] Also starting to feel like funds aren't going to be a problem again. [02:58:10] UmbralRaptop: are the MH parts not on the wiki yet? [03:06:31] TheKosmonaut: probably not. Related: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Bi0KckCcqA2BZDp53 [03:08:20] I have Making History in my store account, but cannot download it to test things. [03:13:30] UmbralRaptop: huh [03:14:33] UmbralRaptop: can't load the link at the moment (I'm in a basement with poor reception) but I can PM you the link to one of the squad people [03:17:19] TheKosmonaut: it's just a screeshot of the download page saying "oops, an error" instead of showing download options. [03:17:35] UmbralRaptop: did you try punching it? [03:19:07] ??? [03:20:27] There's no link. [03:22:37] not even anything in the source of the wepage. [03:23:37] Hmm [03:26:16] I can download 1.4.1, but not making history, so time to send support another email? [03:26:26] UmbralRaptop: *another*? [03:26:28] Sigh [03:27:01] UmbralRaptop: it seems to be an issue with multiple people [03:30:00] TheKosmonaut: well, they were having problems with the main download shortly before *and* after 1.4 came out& [03:31:53] All that take two money and they still crash the site downloads [03:35:56] UmbralRaptop: honestly it seems like you and the other wiki types should have had access to the dlc early so you could update the wiki on the same day... Or at least gotten the pertinent info [03:39:42] I feel like Take2 isn't 100% clear that an official wiki exists. [04:21:45] Take Two isn't investing anything other than the initial purchase. [04:27:23] https://i.gyazo.com/f8ac7e06584b0f872361fd101088180b.png - Testing a rover for Mun [05:02:07] ummm...you know you have a good rover when you end up demolishing a building at KSC and the rover almost isn't scratched. [05:09:05] i could destroy buildings with a small vtol by hitting the edges of the buildings [05:09:11] vtol unharmed [08:13:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:31:15] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [09:31:15] damn you surviving mars... i missed the "get a child within the first 10 sols" achievement by like 1 second... [10:09:02] lol [10:36:52] Time to have some fun with Kerbal Foundries Repulsors: http://puu.sh/zIMKX/4de4386ca3.jpg [11:15:28] https://twitter.com/Kardelaster17/status/974259500378046464?s=19 [11:15:28] https://t.co/NNwM87kOTh [11:16:34] hehe trends [11:16:45] lol eva pikachu [12:10:50] hmmm, for some reason the Kerbal personal chutes don't work for me...unless you have to rightclick [12:11:18] need 3 stars. and they are not opening automatically [12:11:27] or are they supposed to? [12:11:53] I think you have to open them manualy [12:12:07] maybe there is some action group for kerbals? [12:12:23] yep, that's exactly the case [12:13:36] I should cook more rocket fuel today [12:13:36] I'm in Sandbox by the way [12:13:45] I can reuse the last nozzle [12:13:46] sounds crazy [12:14:13] nah it's in good shape [12:14:23] no, the cooking fuel [12:14:27] didn't have time to get eroded away since it ejected out of the engine [12:14:32] If I ever go to france, remind me to never go over your place....well unless I want to eat hydrazine haddock. cooking rocket fuel...heh [12:14:39] well you are supposed to cook candy rocket [12:14:49] he doesnt have hydrazine [12:15:07] only solid rockets so far [12:15:20] but watch out for high speed rocket planes [12:21:05] why do you need to build the rocket motor too? cant you just buy some? [12:22:03] where is the fun in that [12:22:21] you could still build the plane in parallel [12:22:31] and then when it works, you could add your own rocket [12:23:06] decomposing the problem [12:25:32] no [12:25:42] I can already build planes like I want [12:25:46] I want motor [13:45:54] Hello [13:46:01] How r u [13:46:33] hehe [13:46:38] what [13:46:43] dont bother talking to the bot [13:46:53] Thats the BOT? [13:47:01] :O [13:47:40] Mod9000: Hello [13:47:48] hi [13:47:51] Jackaroo, I guess it's there because sometimes new people come in, say hello, and wait around five to ten seconds before they leave [13:47:52] see [13:48:05] What GlassYuri said :) [13:48:06] which is really annoying [13:48:19] but now in addition to people confused by the bot there still are people who do that [13:48:37] so the solution is the new problem [13:49:32] Technical solutions for social problams don't work ;P [13:49:35] *problems [13:50:03] Mat2ch, mass extinction events can be achieved using technology [13:50:24] ... [13:50:36] now some may consider mass extinction events to be the pinnacle of bad solutions but [13:51:24] nature can still outdo us in mass extinctions [13:52:21] Althego, personally I'm not convinced that even intentionally it would be near impossible to reliably end humanity [13:52:48] in the long run we may already have killed us all [13:53:32] the extra atmospheric carbon dioxide will not vanish for thousands of years, and we continue adding more [13:54:32] Althego: unless we find a way to make diamonds out of it [13:55:01] you guys are too dark for me today [13:55:28] and all I want to do is to understand the boost asio lib :P [13:55:49] Mat2ch: even /r/upliftingnews is somewhat dark these days [13:56:02] Or maybe it,s just me [13:56:25] Mat2ch, just switch over to javascript [13:56:27] there's a reddit section for upliftingnews? I guess it's mostly empty in there [13:56:42] GlassYuri: I can shoot myself in the foot just fine. :P [13:56:45] check it out. It's not all bad [13:57:10] https://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNews/ [14:00:46] if I can wrap the .28mm steel wire around the .55mm one and solder it up I can make HO scale pantographs with the correct diameters on the rods [14:01:15] Mat2ch: I'll do your C++, you solve my Docker issues with outdated software... deal? [14:01:20] the question is if that is a good idea or not, and how many fingers I will burn in the process [14:07:01] ve2dmn: Can I use rm -rf? [14:07:03] :3 [14:07:14] Non [14:07:17] dd? [14:07:32] ve2dmn: also I'm not sure if you really want to figure out how boost::asio works... [14:08:13] Well... what I really want is to write my own game, but that's a different sotry [14:13:05] Action: Mat2ch too [14:13:28] I have the time... but I need a push and more skill [14:13:49] I time, but I lack the motivation and skills [14:13:51] also I'm programming for 15 years now I still don't get some concepts. Like the one from boost::asio... [14:34:47] 3 stars... [14:34:59] (for personal chutes, sorry, was scrolled back) [14:35:21] I have a Computer engineering degree and I still can't code properly [14:35:26] hehe [14:35:29] good [14:35:29] When I play with the expansion, that might be interesting to try, but it's been awhile since stock solar system, let me look it up. [14:35:33] Computer science, and ditto. [14:35:34] probably nobody can [14:35:40] (masters, and an ABD) [14:35:42] hence the abundance of bad quality code [14:35:45] indeed. [14:35:48] I guess I'm better then 'average' because I KNOW my code is crap [14:36:06] I have dropped out of high school and I can write very elegant code [14:36:08] and in some cases, pull requests from years ago to fix it, but nobody's running the crap [14:36:23] I can write code that is so advanced I can't understand it myself [14:36:26] ...running the project. Sorry. [14:36:35] Though I don't know if that particular word is problematic here? [14:36:37] GlassYuri: that is called 'writing Perl' [14:36:44] anyhow, though, 3 stars in stock... *checks wiki* [14:36:48] you may call that elegant, other would call it what the hell is this [14:36:48] I can do it in c# [14:37:26] I wrote Perl scripts in 1999 that I could not read 4 months later (much less now) [14:37:35] Althego, to be fair, have you ever seen the code in the backs of scientific papers? [14:37:46] no [14:37:55] especially when they're "by", say, chemical engineers working on a simulation? [14:37:58] probably mix of fortran and python [14:38:12] It's fairly often write-once, read-never, to anyone but the authors. [14:38:22] And they don't footnote things that sometimes take several minutes to see. [14:38:49] could be worse. like programs created by genetic algorithms [14:40:18] Pakaran: the main issue with that: if there is a bug in the simulation, nobody will see it.... until it's too late [14:41:21] ve2dmn, yep, it sometimes worries me when they use languages like C without good type-checking, alone. [14:41:54] Pakaran: "But it's faster" [14:43:23] Level 3 takes 16 experience. Orbit Kerbin, plant flag on Mun and Minmus is only 13.25, orbiting Kerbol in addition is more than enough. As is, basically, seeing Jool, if you ever enter a moon's sphere of influence. [14:43:28] And stock has no life support... [14:43:43] ve2dmn, and bingo. [14:43:49] you have to leav kerbin soi for that [14:43:53] 3 stars [14:44:04] but it can be breaf, just out and back in [14:44:12] still several days worth of travel [14:44:23] The old in-and-out [14:44:28] often, it was faster when the researchers were in school. [14:44:40] yeah. [14:45:12] and simply burning towards Kerbin is enough to get back quite safely. [14:45:26] If you stop at escape trajectory, you end up pretty close to its orbit. [14:45:48] but that takes a long time [14:46:07] it is better to boost quite a much and then just slow down before leaving soi [14:46:25] ah, cute [14:46:40] á [14:46:49] with the right mods, you can BUY experience [14:46:52] because out that far, it's only a few hundred m/s to save *days* doing something beyond a hoffman transfer? [14:47:42] it's kinda ridiculous that you have to leave behind the planet to learn how to parachute [14:47:47] yes [14:47:56] jsut as you have rockets before wheels [14:48:15] and manned before unmanned [14:48:20] yes [14:48:22] yeah [14:49:20] well, stock also allows things like we were just discussing, that nobody would do to get to Mars because the rocket equation is *much* rougher when LEO is 7 m/s all by itself. [14:51:20] Which is why when I hear about reports of 'space junk cleaner' I'm like: "too much dV" [14:51:36] space junk cleaner? [14:52:06] some form of sat that would de-orbit space junk [14:52:07] in the game? [14:52:11] ah that [14:52:14] in real life [14:52:18] maybe with solar sails [14:52:29] or rather drag surface [14:52:39] as a single-use device, sure. [14:52:41] I have seen proposals to use ground-based lasers to ablate material from the fronts of larger objects, slowing down their orbits. [14:53:13] Frankly, it's probably *cheaper* than anything that maneuvers to that much junk, especially if the laser can use electrical rather than chemical pumping. [14:53:24] Pakaran: how is that not gonna heat up tons of air? [14:53:41] I'd guess by using a frequency the air is transparent to? [14:53:55] yous till need to gebnerate the laser [14:54:01] ans thermodinaics... [14:54:02] multiple lasers focused on one point? [14:54:10] so you will heave some energy lost to heatú [14:54:12] maybe. [14:54:13] the US military already has fairly powerful lasers. [14:54:28] Now, I wonder about keeping it collimated so it actually does anything to a target in orbit. [14:55:41] I guess if you lose less then 30% it could be viable... [14:56:15] i think it would be bad to generate any more debris [14:56:32] aren't they at least working on treaties to limit it? [14:56:34] even know the iss is like sand blasted because of the tiny particles of space junk [14:56:40] so no lasers [14:56:42] Yeah. [14:56:45] bring them down in one piece [14:56:56] I bought Scott Kelly's book. [14:57:32] Althego, I didn't think about that, that metal is going to reform somewhere. Anyhow, he was talking about doing EVA and pulling himself along a rail that, in places, had been blasted right through. [14:57:51] Said it was a bit sobering, given that he was directly in the path of the next object. [14:58:03] (Incidentally, nobody's ever died on EVA) [14:58:25] (But the problem is also worse now than it was in, say, the seventies) [15:00:15] if the debris is, say, in a 30degree angle difference in orbit, that's a lot of energy [15:01:02] just look at http://stuffin.space/ [15:01:08] ...for that matter, if metal is ablated off the front, it's going to move with the thermal energy of the individual atoms, and keep that when it solidifies, probably into little metal beads. Thus be in an even higher orbit, at every point besides where the laser hit. [15:01:28] (look for the Iridium-33 collision overlay) [15:01:54] ...and a whole lot of it is in inclined low orbits. [15:01:59] Where it could hit the ISS at right angles. [15:02:10] yes, one issue with eva is, you cant hold the railing because it is all jagged, and it can puncture your glove [15:02:53] I mean, a rifle bullet is only, what, 1 kps? [15:05:30] so... kepler syndrome is soon-ish? [15:05:49] kessler [15:05:54] sorry [15:06:14] I have no-sleep syndrome [15:06:34] you have more time to do things [15:06:36] this, amusingly enough, is one of those things engineers like to simulate. [15:06:49] we like to simulate everything [15:06:59] I believe the verdict I've seen varies, but it could have already started and we wouldn't know for a few decades. [15:07:27] sad [15:07:50] It wouldn't make space unusable, but defense against junk strikes would become more of a problem. [15:08:01] I believe this is already why the ISS has limited time left. [15:08:10] To be fair, it's also been up there a long time. [15:08:17] sad [15:08:23] it has all kinds of moving machinery inside [15:08:27] those age anyway [15:08:42] yeah. [15:09:04] he was talking about headaches with the CO2 scrubber, I forget the acronym [15:09:10] still in much better condition then Mir was [15:10:04] Entropy win. [15:15:04] I believe it's at this point that cringe randomly quote the amount of Urine left in the ISS [15:15:50] that is what he does [15:16:00] lately not that often [15:16:47] wait for it [15:17:13] wait for it [15:17:25] im Jackaroo btw [15:17:29] wb [15:17:34] thx [15:17:48] it didnt change my name back [15:17:59] try the /nick command [15:18:08] Oh [15:18:20] ill change it to my discord [15:18:32] ./nick Jackaroo needs the KSP DLC [15:18:53] tf? [15:18:57] y it no work [15:19:03] spaces, too long [15:19:05] you can't put spaces in nicks [15:19:17] Oh [15:19:44] There we go [15:19:51] that's a bit long [15:19:52] looks ugly [15:20:03] now your nickname takes up half the IRC window for me [15:20:04] it's my Discord [15:20:24] how small is your window Glass? [15:20:45] Jackaroo_needs_the_KSP_DLC, small enough to leave me enough screen space for more important stuff [15:20:48] this small -> <--- [15:21:16] Why is your name red [15:21:29] it isnt :) [15:21:30] ve2dmn, that is actually pretty close to how much I have left for text [15:21:36] Jackaroo_needs_the_KSP_DLC, hexchat? [15:21:46] webchat [15:21:51] what command? [15:21:54] webchat is random I think [15:22:04] some chat clients color nicks differently [15:22:10] hexchat has me as red and everyone else in light pastel colors somehow [15:22:19] then y r we all white and Glass is Red? Is it because im on web? [15:22:24] yes, hexchat is red for your own [15:22:26] by default [15:22:30] now ur white [15:22:36] Althego, lol yeah just remembered [15:22:53] Jackaroo_needs_the_KSP_DLC, I think if I mention your name that message turns red to grab your attention [15:23:01] red: it's called highlight [15:23:12] that is green [15:23:14] here [15:23:32] it took me really long time to get accusomted to the different coloring (from mirc) [15:26:03] why does the default hard mode not allow other launch sites [15:26:38] There are other launch sites? [15:26:49] 1 [15:26:58] boomerang or whatever [15:27:07] whoever set the default difficulty profiles clearly had no idea what they were doing, but why do they just roll with it instead of fixing it [15:27:14] new test, new data https://youtu.be/T9KpF17Mnyc?t=11 [15:27:25] luckily you can customize it [15:27:58] why do you call it entropy? [15:28:14] idk I was searching on the internet for cool names for my rocket program and found that [15:28:16] i think you are right this may be the reaction of the fuel to the temperature or pressure [15:28:49] part of the nozzle broke off during this test and after it was burning right so I guess the throat is too small and generates too much back presure [15:28:57] also "copyright 2011-2018 take two interactive" I'm pretty sure they owned nothing back in '11 [15:28:58] it is just working too well [15:29:00] so in the next one I will double the throat area and see [15:30:52] ...is there a way to spawn a kerbal somewhere at KSC or is that still not possible without launching a dummy craft [15:31:13] not in stock [15:33:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3sETR5Uvzc&feature=youtu.be [15:33:44] YouTube - entropy 5 close up [15:40:38] https://youtu.be/vZTHukFobws [15:40:39] YouTube - entropy 5 wide [15:42:58] hehe, i know what it reminds me of. many decades ago there was a hungarian cartoon where a young child of an average family goes into pace during the night on his self built spaceship [15:44:45] and in the intro we can see how he developed it in stages, each previous version failed [15:45:00] in one case the fuel was not good enough [15:47:50] http://orig11.deviantart.net/7bf3/f/2015/238/3/9/spy_dance2_by_ankaa_phoenicis-d977txk.gif [15:50:06] Fluburtur: uh, 312 subscriber. You're becoming famous! [15:50:10] Don't forget us ;) [15:50:20] im pretty sure half of those are dead [15:51:03] why should you have it better than all the other youtubers? :D [16:15:17] idk [16:15:27] im trying to get more rc videos out and get more subs [16:15:59] mainly because im 4¬ away from the limit at which youtube will give me the money my videos made and they chanegd how monetisation works [16:16:10] hehe [16:16:14] and because rc videos often get a lot of views if you get it [16:40:03] the rocket stuff could get you lots of views... [16:40:13] but you might need a better cam [16:41:35] which one? [16:41:44] I used 3 cameras ont he last test [16:41:54] even got slow mo [16:42:04] that probably decreased resolution [16:42:12] well it's only 120fps [16:42:17] but at least the nozzle was not just gone [16:42:19] but it did help see some stuff [16:42:25] science! [16:43:59] Fluburtur: ok, then you need either to clean your lenses or moar light. :D [16:44:14] yeah [16:44:24] entropy 5 looks cloudy [16:44:40] it's candy rocket, this type of fuel makes a lot of smoke [16:45:00] I'm talking about the beginning, where you light stuff [16:45:17] I used black powder from tiny toy rockets to help the ignition [16:45:19] maybe it's just not focused [16:45:27] on what camera? [16:45:39] entropy 5 [16:45:47] wide [16:46:10] yeah it's a tiny action cam [16:47:03] "close up" is not publicly listed and is out of focus, too :) [16:47:36] yeah I used the wrong mode on my camera [16:47:49] I didn't mean to make those public either [16:47:57] that will wait until I get some working stuff [16:48:27] I'd show all those failurs [16:48:40] *failures [16:48:46] oh I will show them in a nice montage once I make a nice video [16:48:59] also you could film yourself cooking and pouring the stuff [16:49:20] I hate to live so far away, I'd be you director and camera man ;) [16:49:23] yeah I guess [16:49:24] and cutter [16:49:30] heh just come [16:50:32] my cousin could help me too but he lives fair away as well [16:50:43] you can make a blooper reel once it works [16:50:53] how not to light a rocket booster [16:50:57] yeah [16:51:02] I already made one actually [16:51:25] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8ajD3efTD0 [16:51:25] YouTube - candy propelled failure [16:58:19] I find it funny how the rocket seemed to have produced a fairly high thrust just before the nozzle exploded [16:59:31] Mat2ch actually can you come to my place next monday? [16:59:36] I need to film another video [17:10:52] also I need to build a pari of bush planes for me and a friend [17:28:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:29:07] new scott manley video [17:30:02] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCNRzfH7X0 [17:30:02] YouTube - KSP Challenge - Launch To Orbit Without Any Controls [17:32:05] what, didnt he do this already? [17:32:14] or was it only with staging [17:32:21] or with the nose to the mun? [17:32:23] https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/84vhfb/kerbal_1_and_kerbalii_mission_patches/ [17:32:44] hehe [17:49:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:03:58] Fluburtur: if you can build me a warp drive over the weekend, I'll be there [18:04:32] hehe [18:04:39] but if he has the warp drive [18:04:52] how can you get there to get the warp drive to get there to see the rockets? [18:05:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dozeman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:43:06] Althego: it's called automated warp drive flytome [18:43:32] to me my board! [19:12:01] TheKosmonaut: just confirmed that I'm unable to download Making History with Firefox, Chrome, and Safari. [19:13:46] Is it serious, Doctor? Will It live? [19:14:49] Ż\_(Ä)_/Ż [19:15:30] And to think I stuck with the store version because I wanted to avoid the hassles of Steam. [19:16:06] You should be rewarded for your loyalty [19:18:49] I am, just rather poorly. [19:19:55] want my extra copy of TIS-100? [19:20:15] how, i could download it on the release day [19:20:17] it was rather hard [19:20:23] but it shouldnt be that hard now [19:21:09] ve2dmn: I, er, already have a copy on Steam. >_>;; [19:21:34] Althego: 1.4 is fine, Making History, however& [19:23:12] Infinifactory? [19:24:24] Action: UmbralRaptop đź”Ş đźŤŽ. No, I don't want to switch from đź”Ąđź¦Š to Safari for my default browser. [19:24:34] hm. don't have that. [19:24:58] I have around a few extra HB keys [19:26:41] Humble Monthly is fine, but I do get a few games that I already have [19:38:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ZZZ' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:48:02] lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKk0VnVU2Q0&t=1s [19:48:02] YouTube - Terre Plate : Les Vraies Fusées Contre Les Fausses - VOF - DITRH [19:48:22] dude thinks earth is flat because he thinks real rockets are CGI [19:48:41] And the other ones? [19:49:22] what other one [19:49:34] lol that is a compression artifact [19:49:39] "Vraie/Fausse" [19:49:46] yes bt that dude is obviously an idiot [19:50:00] Fluburtur: nooooooo, don't post this stuff. Those people get too much attention already [19:50:04] so he thinks model rockets are real because they go fast [19:50:16] but real ones are slow because they go slow [19:50:22] so they are fake [19:50:44] name one commercial rocket with a twr of 10 [19:50:45] Fluburtur: I saw a launch with my own eye. This guy is an idiot [19:51:19] well if someone has managed to get convinced that the earth is flat then i don't see how they couldn't come to a conclusion like that [19:51:25] you are obviously paid by nasa to lie to us [19:51:40] but that was a srussian rocket [19:51:44] yes [19:51:49] but that guys knows nothing [19:52:02] Fluburtur: I wish I was paid for... something [19:52:48] I would like being paid to say that the earth is round and rockets are rela [19:52:50] real* [19:53:25] hehe [19:53:45] there are people like that. spokesperson [19:53:59] Fluburtur: become a scientist! Be paid to mess around and write up your results! (well, sort of) [19:54:17]