[00:00:27] gretchen, how many parts? And how many craft (including debris) on rails? [00:01:38] no crafts at all [00:01:45] at KSC new game [00:07:48] how many mods? [00:25:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:28:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:29:45] I just launched a $250k tourist ship and a similar refuel mission and still made a $200k profit. woot. [00:39:15] hello? [00:40:47] hi, Guest19228 [00:41:26] hi, i just wanted to know how to install mods? i used to install them with ckan but it looks like the mod based has changed? [00:42:46] Download the mod, and unzip it into your KSP/GameData folder [00:43:39] ahh okay, thank you very much! [00:45:30] https://imgur.com/vOLgVu3 [00:45:30] https://i.imgur.com/vOLgVu3.png [00:45:43] I think I installed too much dust [01:15:04] oren: it's Mun. Should be pretty much zero dust [01:17:10] The stupid claw is stupid. :-( I cannot reliably grab things. Sometimes it's happy at 0.5 m/s, sometimes at 2.5 m/s, sometimes not at any speed. [01:19:59] change your stupid :-( claw to :-{ it might grab more [01:22:19] I do like the RPM camera-in-claw/docking-port thing. [01:36:55] my rover seems to have run into some issues [01:36:56] https://i.imgur.com/tHKtRYU.jpg [01:37:48] its unmanned as well [01:40:57] LKO. Just send up an engineer to fix it [01:41:08] kinda like the Hubble telescope [02:27:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:35:29] ... are those tires? [02:40:27] Looks like burst tires yes [02:47:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:59:01] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:59:01] I have a rescue mission for LKO, it seems to be like the third or fourth manned mission every save, I would send my favorite engineer in that with a bike pump and patch kit. :-) [02:59:23] In other news, the order in which the heat shield and decoupler are placed matters. [03:05:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:06:35] https://imgur.com/JuApipR qanother day, another 7500 ore to LMO [03:06:36] https://i.imgur.com/JuApipR.jpg [03:15:38] I need more battery to land on Eloo. Hmm, maybe another RTG. [03:18:59] darsie, or a bigger RTG! [03:19:19] oren, why Mun and not Minmus for mining? [03:19:40] Or maybe a little ant lander. [03:24:52] lordcirth: because transit time to kerbin is only 1 day and not 6 [03:25:49] oren, life support? [03:26:01] yeah [03:26:54] when I started this opeartion, i hadn';t invented hydroponics yet [03:28:30] so I had to manage a route for snacks to be brought to the mining base from kerbin [03:29:29] but really with a shorter round trip means I ned fewer ships to sustain the same amount of ore delivery [03:30:31] https://imgur.com/uekO7jn [03:30:32] https://i.imgur.com/uekO7jn.jpg [03:31:05] on the right you can see the ore lifter, on the right is the orbital ore hauler that takes ore to kerbin orbit [03:31:41] er, the ore hauler is the one on the left [03:31:58] Doesn't the deeper gravity well on the Mun counter the shorter travel time? [03:32:11] with the giant heat shield to aerobrake at kerbin [03:42:06] Yep, if you want efficency; go to Minmus. The Mun has an 800m/sec well. [06:01:25] https://mahou.moe/board/pic/c9468c7f3d7bcef7b0f2d0fdf83328d4.png [06:02:17] took me a bit but figured the joke out. [06:38:05] I don't get it. [06:38:51] every base is base 10 in its own base :) [06:39:34] in base 4, it goes 1, 2, 3, 10... [06:39:51] so if you had an alien with a 'base 4' number system [06:39:55] they'd just call it base 10 [06:40:09] Ok, so I did get it. [07:07:08] haha, poor bots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PaTWufUqqU [07:07:09] YouTube - Every time Boston Dynamics has abused a robot [08:00:21] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gai8dMA19Sw [08:00:22] YouTube - Whole New Worlds: An Aladdin History of Exoplanets | A Capella Science, Trudbol, SamRobson, Gia Mora [08:08:23] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSE3GmUdxoQ [08:08:23] YouTube - 16 Cylinder Gas Powered Stirling Engine [08:08:37] saw this yesterday :) [08:08:44] its certainly nice [08:13:05] Probably the question was already asked. Where can I download latest KSP Demo? [08:13:42] hehe it writes under maintenance [08:14:07] $260 is bit pricy for toy heh] [08:15:39] Is there any mirror/copy of the official site that is currently being maintained? [08:51:08] rwar... [08:51:10] ping? [08:51:32] pong [08:51:51] delima... [08:52:31] little robotic lander in a circular cargo bay.. or in faring off the top of the command pod? [08:58:22] geh.. or its just too late to be think'n of stuffs [09:41:15] Dragon's docking with ISS soon, NASA Live has it online. [09:41:24] They reached the 200m point, next stop the 10m point. [09:43:19] It's amazing to watch the light change as Dragon reorients. Very realistic, good mods. :-) [09:44:25] There's a green light on the spacecraft that's blinking long-short-short -- or D in Morse code. Hee. [09:46:45] Mathuin: Thanks for the reminder :) [09:46:56] Not that any of you cretins read my /topic space >:( [09:47:22] Years ago it seems there was a bot tracking stuff like this making announcements. [09:48:07] Kountdown [09:48:11] He's been put to pasture [09:48:23] It happens, even to the nicest of bots. [09:48:57] The Nasa tv guy looks like Kurt J Mac [09:50:07] I wonder what the fastest berthing/Docking was [09:50:26] and still docked and intact afterwards? ;) [09:50:45] Lots of holds. 200, 30, and then 10 apparently [09:52:40] TheKosmonaut: Expedition 36 apparently took the fastest trip to the ISS, launch to docking five hours 39 minutes. [09:59:02] https://www.ustream.tv/embed/6540154?html5ui in case anyone wants the embed [09:59:23] It makes it nicer to tab in and out of for me [10:12:47] I know it doesn't really matter, but I wish the Dragon were facing toward the prograde vector [10:13:03] I mean, it matters for berthing [10:14:55] prograde vector for a dragon, must be a codename for a rocket or something [10:15:46] ok (went further into the scrollbuffer to get context) [10:18:28] oooh, spacex vehicle of some kind (watching the stream now - confirmed the reference for sure hehe) [10:18:56] dreamworks: how to park a dragon [10:23:24] the not dreamworks collection [10:58:11] See! Their claw works fine! [11:57:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:20:35] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZJghIk7_VA [12:20:35] YouTube - Mannequin Skywalkers ride to space onboard Crew Capsule 2.0 [12:20:56] do i see a curvatur there? :) [12:21:04] wow large windows [12:21:09] try that in 60s [12:22:43] I wonder of transarent alum would ever happen (there is few ways but all not very good) [12:22:51] would make wonderful winows. [12:22:59] as strong as framing etc which is also alum [12:23:10] i think there are now better materials than metal for many purposes, probably including windows [12:23:14] Althego: noooo its just... illusion. :P lol [12:23:44] anyway, nice windows [12:24:14] indeed [12:24:45] lol that rocket shape [12:24:49] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSDHM6iuogI [12:24:49] YouTube - Crew Capsule 2.0 First Flight [12:25:14] 250k feet? that is not space [12:25:22] the module is... roomy [12:25:48] its like luxurity compared to most space livable spaces [12:25:56] why didnt it land with the rocket? maybe this was also testing its return system [12:26:12] spacex is currently ahead of them [12:26:26] Althego: they keep going [12:26:30] but they will have the largest rocket engine. also based on methane loc [12:26:39] But in this case they only make 99.8 km or something like that too [12:26:43] So not quite space :P [12:26:48] i still want to go into space at least once [12:26:53] me too [12:26:54] i hope proces go down in my lifetime [12:27:00] ok who here does not? [12:27:04] The wife has told me I am not allowed until the kid reaches majority. [12:27:08] lol [12:27:20] majority? is your child a democracy? :) [12:27:34] parent task [12:27:36] She's eleven months old, I can't do it until she turns eighteen. [12:28:22] i think this is better than spaceshiptwo [12:28:26] bigger windows [12:28:29] same suborbital [12:28:36] less chance to go wrong [12:32:31] SpaceX CRS-13 berthing! [12:33:08] berthing charge of x credits have been deducted [12:37:07] any mission ideas? [12:37:17] that is the hardest, coming up with missions [12:40:41] Bring 10 tons of ore from Eve's surface to Eeloo. [12:41:09] easy [12:41:20] you can refill on gilly [12:42:39] Getting 3 tons off eve is a feat. [12:42:50] make a plane [12:42:53] air is super dense [12:43:08] i returned a 3 person capsule once [12:43:14] i think that is 4.12t [12:43:59] and now that i have infinite delta v props, i can rise with them to at least 10 km, from which it is lot easier to go into orbit [12:44:38] Althego: know whats funny? [12:44:48] I had a cheater motor, it was insanely powerfukl [12:44:57] it couldnt take tiny probe off eve [12:45:06] drag was all kinds of weird back then lol [12:45:09] I did a 4 person return. [12:45:17] Mk1 on top of a Mk3 [12:45:19] It was hell. [12:45:24] that is easier than a 3 person, because less mass :) [12:45:47] heh best I ever did (no cheaty engine) was large probe to duna. well some of it, some sensors computer and battery lol [12:45:55] it wound down battery and died [12:47:22] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/96097938057203791/2C33CA1D743A633BEB8338222DF7940BD6031397/ [12:47:35] the last starfighter [12:47:42] That is technically an SSTO if you don't jettison empty stages. [12:48:01] Refuels on Mun, Gilly, and Eve. [12:48:14] Active entry to Eve. [12:48:22] Got to do a suicide burn right or you explode. [12:48:48] I used burn and fall [12:49:11] It uses parachutes but the entry will destroy it if you don't burn at the right time. [12:49:16] No heat shields. [12:49:45] hehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZNFNnWpfFY [12:49:46] YouTube - A video in which I attempt to land an SSTO on Duna but failed to do so on multiple occasions [12:49:59] i would have redesigned the ssto at this point [12:50:00] Took 3 designs and then about 6 hours of piloting to get it to Eve and back. [12:50:31] The chutes are modded. [12:52:12] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/89344509885081361/C332D095F2EE1B1FB54C2B6A7168C79AED271EC6/ tried to do a low tech SSTO and this is the best I could come up with. Payload something like 0.5 tons. [12:52:39] doesnt look bad [12:53:01] just the usual problem, whatever you do in ksp the wings need to be further forward that looks natural [12:53:49] That model is actually stable throughout fuel usage. [12:53:55] I had several failed designs. [12:54:38] I usually set flight center to slightly back and top of cenetr mass [12:55:07] Flight center? You mean center of lift? [12:55:19] yeah [12:55:49] CoM forward CoL is the way to do it. Above you can get problems during rolls. [12:56:17] I tend to not have that problem [12:56:39] but then I havent played so logn air model changed since then [12:56:56] poor snowflake will never fly again [12:56:57] this remained true [12:57:07] infiniglied? [12:57:22] yeah though my design may have used drag to stabilize, dunno now [12:57:29] snowflake exploits that bug yeah [12:57:49] over 3,000 in air lol [12:58:01] from flight alone, reached 200,000 height [12:58:18] Imagine you're a snowflake, and you fall. And you fall. And you fall... And you don't stop falling, because infiniglide [12:58:37] never could get it in orbit, its impossible, not surpising consider need more boost while in space to never return to air. [12:59:02] Is infiniglide still a thing? [12:59:04] Yeah, got to have a second impulse to get orbit. [12:59:10] Infiniglide is dead [12:59:15] aw... [12:59:36] heh my ion plane dont work either, air is thinner [12:59:43] Had much fun putting a billion tailfins on a single booster [12:59:45] now it dont really work, even as car [13:00:36] Whoa!! I just wrote some demon code! [13:00:58] So this booster guides itself using lift to within 10 m accuracy onto the landing pad [13:01:10] nice [13:01:23] Then I have about 10 sec of suicide burn to actually land, and I just ran a first test to use this burn to lower the error to +/- 1 m [13:02:16] The booster is like 50 m above the ground, error is 6 meters, and suddenly it tilts to 45 deg. I think, okay, that's dead now... But it suddenly tilts up again and lands smack dab into the center cross [13:02:35] I'm proud now. :D [13:03:23] (It's weird, though, because I limited it to 5 degree tilts...) [13:03:30] Oh, woops [13:03:50] 5 degrees means 5 degrees above the horizon. Well, that makes more sense now. [13:09:00] hehe [13:10:04] https://78.media.tumblr.com/8d866ef807c40a31f820debed71477f6/tumblr_p0z71tT9Le1uwochmo1_540.jpg [13:10:29] extremely rich meal [13:10:41] im pretty sure feathers would protect against stings? [13:10:51] Savage. [13:11:01] yeah feathers are probably enough [13:11:04] nom nom [13:11:42] https://78.media.tumblr.com/84b328ad56b661b6c09e9354d308c4e9/tumblr_p0rf75ATnm1wsbn2ao1_540.jpg [13:11:53] saw this alreadty [13:12:06] LOL [13:12:14] it is because of the white band on his cluthes [13:12:26] Looks like part of the frame [13:12:37] Fluburtur: reminds me where one lady seemed to be nude at party. it was really just friend arm [13:12:43] like the guy on a boat that looks badly photoshoped because of a shaddow [13:12:44] Should have photoshopped it to have a different color and it would be better [13:12:58] http://data.tumblr.com/84b328ad56b661b6c09e9354d308c4e9/tumblr_p0rf75ATnm1wsbn2ao1_raw.jpg http://data.tumblr.com/8d866ef807c40a31f820debed71477f6/tumblr_p0z71tT9Le1uwochmo1_raw.jpg LIFEHACK [13:13:04] http://i.imgur.com/qfD0Rkq.jpg [13:13:20] hehe [13:13:21] before I post, this is NOT actually nude. [13:13:34] drat url includes that word [13:13:43] Still suggestive probably, if you need to warn people [13:13:45] like the girl in the bathtub was censored by fb. her elbow was visible :) [13:14:15] Rolf: May I see the picture before you send it? [13:14:24] a second [13:14:50] fine uploading it so it dont have that word in url [13:15:11] make sure to save full res image [13:15:28] Nothing like tumblr downscaling to destroy data [13:15:41] msg [13:15:53] https://78.media.tumblr.com/17ef7c2e9f64983ea384b42a9c76e2c9/tumblr_inline_mgr3q6qLW01qijz9o.jpg [13:15:57] The full sized image is unlinked and you have to do data at the start and raw at the end [13:16:10] so APlayer is it okay lol [13:16:55] no post sorry guys [13:17:03] ?? [13:17:07] Elbows are banned now? [13:17:30] Blaank: it is..very close to looking like real nudity [13:17:38] even though its just arm lol [13:17:39] Sorry to be a spoilsport guys, I suggest Rolf to PM the picture to people if they request it [13:17:50] i want it :) [13:18:02] So looking like something is bad enough to make it something now? [13:18:16] lol [13:18:18] sure when kids is concerned its pretty sensive thing [13:18:32] rockets look like another thing then [13:18:51] especially the the new shepard with crew capsule 2.0 :) [13:19:04] Speaking of rockets, anyone heard of the Electron thingy? [13:19:13] yes [13:19:23] i think it failed last time? [13:19:56] It had to abort because of unplanned LOS the first time, and they postponed the second time now [13:20:18] at least the engine works [13:23:31] Heh, no exploding engines for you today :P [13:23:47] but how about exploding kittens? heh [13:23:52] Nope [13:23:52] love that card game [13:24:03] Not sure what you mean [13:24:18] you dont know exploding kittens game? its heck of fun game [13:25:32] Just googled it... Not my taste [13:26:24] other one is joking hazard. not kids game though (dirty jokes is possible) [13:35:32] Humm, I've been planning to get outside and get a few nice images of the town with snowy roofs, but for some reason, the weather is absolutely cloudy at least 80% of the time, and the temperature is around 0 - 5 °C, so whenever the sun gets out, the snow melts off within an hour tops [13:35:52] Looks like I am out of luck this year, if not for the whole season [13:36:15] it havent snowed here [13:36:31] rain and snow is much more rare than it used to be here :( [13:36:54] We've had a whopping 10 cm a week ago [13:37:19] normal west washington weather for fall to spring is rain 3 to 5 times a week [13:37:23] Or was it two weeks ago, even? Not sure, I kind of lost track of time now [13:37:30] we had very heavy 2 weeks then nothing since [13:38:28] Yeah, right before this snow season we've had like a month straight of rain. For the last two months, I've only seen the sun four days, plus a few hours cumulative on other days [13:38:57] It's terrible [13:39:26] here cloudy or sunny isnt too bad but also terrible because no snow for mountains [13:39:45] we used to have rains few times a month in summers also but that stopped decades ago [13:40:03] I miss bicycling in rain in summer. it never happens ever now [14:10:04] a mission idea please [14:10:53] To the Moon and back in under an hour. [14:11:02] not even scott can do that lol [14:11:08] at least not in his videos [14:11:27] I didn't say you're not allowed to use warp drives and such things ;) [14:11:30] Around the solar system in 80 days [14:11:37] lol [14:13:29] On a more serious note: Phobos-Grunt replica [14:13:43] I've yet to see such a thing in KSP [14:13:53] didnt that fail? [14:14:10] It did, but let's have an inaccuracy in the replica regarding that [14:14:13] :P [14:20:08] So, what did you decide to do? [14:28:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:02:39] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [16:02:39] The RTG delivers 0.75 EC/s. In the datasheet it's rounded up to 0.8. [16:12:11] Lost a mission to that? [16:13:23] no [16:13:23] http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a14435997/new-stealth-drone-has-no-moving-surfaces-at-all/ [16:14:31] I couldn't land on Eeloo cause I didn't have enough EC. Now I'm trying to calculate what I need. [16:14:54] Instead of eyeballing it. [16:15:11] Already doubled EC but still failed. [16:16:42] Dawn produces 1006 N at 0.72 EC/s. Max is 2000 N at 8.74 EC/s. [16:17:47] So electrically it gets much more efficient at low thrust, but fuel use is proportional, I assume. [16:18:04] Assuming constant 4200 Isp. [16:19:14] Hmm, so two RTGs should produce less than double thrust. Must, cause it won't go to 2012 N. [16:22:25] I'll use more battery. It's more fuel efficient to slow down "fast" than having slightly more thrust than gravity. [16:38:38] darsie: From personal experience, unless you use NFT you're not getting far with ion engines and batteries [16:39:13] well, time to desing a rc canadair [16:39:24] Also, in case you wondered how they do carbon composite tanks: https://i.imgur.com/aIPGEUv.gifv [16:39:34] I have yet to decide between flaps or differencial thrust however [16:39:49] Fluburtur: you totally should build a plane that's like that drone [16:40:11] no [16:40:15] seaplanes are fun [16:40:21] and I already have a bunch of wings [16:40:57] https://youtu.be/aSp4-QN0avU [16:40:57] YouTube - DSC 8077 [16:40:59] but not one with no moving surfaces! [16:41:23] That's a huge one [16:41:41] im not such a hipster tp return to the early days of flying when you had to twist the wings [16:41:54] eh only 1.2 meter of wingspan [16:41:59] but it looks very stubby [16:42:50] it's not about twisting wings. It's about placing a small compressor on the plane and pumping air into pockets to manipulate the air around the plane ;) [16:43:30] eh I guess that's clever [16:43:31] APlayer: I'm getting to and landing on Eeloo, that's far enough for me ;). [16:43:37] and autofocus is a bad thing for something that small [16:43:52] APlayer: Ahh, not batteries alone, sure. I have an RTG. [16:43:56] yeah but manual focus is a bit hard [16:44:08] or I could use my full manual lenses but those have no zoom [16:44:21] APlayer: But yeah, batteries deplete quickly, so nothing for deep gravity wells. [16:44:44] I mean that ion engines use so much EC that unless your battery is extremely large, you can only make rather limited burns on them, in burst mode [16:45:10] Kerbin to Eeloo is like, what 2 km/s? [16:45:12] I now have 3200 EC. [16:45:20] The ejection burn [16:45:25] must be more [16:45:32] because jool is almsot 2k [16:45:48] Yeah, it's burst-recharge sequences. [16:45:52] 2.5 km/s, let's say [16:45:52] a few [16:46:06] and dont forget the circularization burn, which is also a lot for eeloo [16:46:27] and you dont have uch time for it [16:46:29] I was there with enough Xe left. Only had too little EC for landing. [16:46:55] You may calculate how long such a maneuver takes using Tsiolkovski, I guess Kerbin ejection is the worst of the four. And then you know how much EC you need per burn [16:47:15] Don't forget to account for the RTG charging the batteries even as you burn [16:47:37] I'm done calculating. I eyeballed it again. This time it'll be enough. [16:47:38] anything interesting on eeloo now? [16:47:45] Althego: no. [16:47:49] too bad [16:47:58] I have all the tech already. [16:48:15] Lots of ice and some soil. [16:48:28] i meant something new i havent seen [16:48:30] Probably frozen N2. [16:48:37] like new easter egg or something [16:48:43] I could scan for anomalies. [16:48:56] I found a ? once, but couldn't find what caused it. [16:49:16] Science! Let's do actual science in KSP! [16:49:41] probably a green monolith [16:49:45] every planet has one [16:49:48] I'll fly now ... [17:00:13] someone made a video called "gopro karma killer" but the gopro karma was never any good [17:00:14] can't beat DJI man [17:04:29] You've lost Karma! [17:04:43] https://i.imgur.com/DNnKX6n.gifv [17:04:55] lol [17:05:27] Titled "Has science gone too far?". Top comment: "I thought fidget spinners were a dead meme" [17:27:39] Action: darsie is in 20 km polar Eeloo orbit. [17:47:04] Action: darsie landed on Eeloo: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot14.png [17:47:54] lol [17:48:00] i thought it would do something [17:48:17] it does, it burns power :P [18:08:41] Why so many batteries? [18:09:07] ion [18:10:09] Having dead weight batteries to burst ion is easier than having more power generation? [18:10:29] Wow, nearly ran out of electric charge anyway. [18:10:36] I've never used ion. [18:10:57] I toyed with xenon but it's just too pricey. [18:10:57] So what's the point of that probe? [18:20:32] Blaank: Just to fly to Eeloo and land. [18:20:35] Not contract. [18:20:45] So no point. [18:20:51] It's a game. [18:21:00] Ok, it was horsing around. [18:21:01] What's the point of it? [18:21:08] What is the point of life? [18:21:27] To procreate and extinct all other species. [18:22:23] Technically the meaning of life is the survival of your own species. [18:22:41] 42 [18:22:57] If you consider each distinct species an organism, it becomes a lot more clear why supposedly dead end genetics can still contribute to species survival as a whole. [18:23:10] I'll fly to Eeloo again with sensors, just in case a contract for it pops up ... [18:23:34] also it gives you a target to land at :P [18:23:52] No, I'll fly first. [18:24:00] Then maybe a contract pops up. [18:26:52] Blaank: I'd need 11 RTGs or so to power the Dawn. The batteries are much lighter. [18:31:44] Or fuel cells and an Oscar B tank, but the Oscar alone has 225 kg or so. [18:46:50] holy crap xenon is expensive [18:47:18] and not minable [18:47:20] 22k for the tank, 21k for the xenon [18:47:37] wait, 1k for the tank [18:48:55] 2 RTG + 1000 EC. Sound good enough? [18:49:19] you harvest xenon from gas giant planets [18:55:55] Well I have a probe now with 14.8 km/s dV with fully recoverable science. [18:55:59] Where will that get me? [18:56:02] from LKO [18:57:32] anywhere [18:57:32] Action: Blaank presses alt+f12 to get cheats. tries alt + f11. Continues down the list. Hangs head in hands and cries. [18:57:41] hehe [18:57:50] Guess what alt + F I got to. [18:57:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:00:41] 0100 [19:01:11] Blaank: alt-F4 [19:01:15] yep [19:01:41] I have that re-mapped (on linux) to Ctl-Alt-F4 [19:01:54] much harder to mess up [19:02:23] Does xenon not travel through fuel pipes? [19:03:24] Oh, alt+12 was right. Cheat menu was in there [19:03:29] I passed it thinking it was a log view [19:04:41] Blaank: it does [19:06:32] Jesus, the dawn is anemic [19:08:06] And holy balls that electric drain [19:09:20] Uh [19:09:47] Are you playing with a realism mod? [19:10:09] the dawn is still a lot more powerful than real eion engines [19:10:31] i think the highest thrust was 5 newton or something [19:10:45] The Dawn's TWR is something like 3-5 orders of magnitude higher than real ions. [19:11:07] https://www.space.com/38444-mars-thruster-design-breaks-records.html [19:11:17] 5.4 N [19:12:10] Meanwhile, the Dawn puts out 2000 N. [19:12:15] jeeeeesus [19:12:47] normally an ion thruster makes thrust like the weight of a paper [19:12:59] say A4 [19:13:05] or letter for US [19:13:13] "It's heavy  500 pounds [227 kilograms]. It's almost a meter in diameter," [19:14:00] ;c 5.4/227 [19:14:00] UmbralRaptor: 0.02378854625550661 [19:14:12] ;c 2000/250 [19:14:12] UmbralRaptor: 8.0 [19:14:32] ;c 8/(5.4/227) [19:14:33] UmbralRaptor: 336.29629629629625 [19:14:48] Okay, only 2.5 orders of magnitude. [19:15:30] but thereason i dont use the ions because they are infeasible for normal gameplay for anything but the tiniest loads. and where i would need it the most, around jool, i lose delta v by adding huge solars panels i need there. so it is good for a tiny probe to duna, but that does not require lot delta v anywya [19:16:32] I really don't want to fly this dumb probe. 0.06 TWR. [19:16:40] 160k cost [19:16:45] exactly [19:16:46] 14.8 km/s dV [19:16:53] decrease delta v [19:17:05] 9km, why not use chemical? [19:17:17] I suppose they have some value for Moho (and to a lesser extent Dres) [19:17:18] 9.5 km/s [19:17:19] and by the time you get to usable twr levels, you are around the point of using a chemical engie [19:17:25] no, not really [19:17:26] 0.08 TWR [19:17:33] you cant break around moho with this [19:17:37] not fast enough [19:17:41] you overshoot the planet [19:17:51] Not if flown right [19:17:57] and they are increadibly cheaty compared to reality [19:17:58] jumbo 64 with a poodle is 6 km/s [19:18:05] 0.66 TWR [19:18:08] so no, i dont use ions, ever [19:18:20] i can still use nukes even after the mass increase [19:18:25] 30x ion cluster [19:18:27] You'd need to do a slowdown pass by Eve or something. [19:18:29] if you don't do a direct transfer to Moho, but a catch-up, it is enough [19:18:30] they are good for around 0.2 twr [19:18:38] although it will be painfully long burns [19:18:38] and i dont go lower than 0.1 [19:18:48] lower than 0.1 is unbearable. [19:18:57] those work good around jool [19:19:47] hmm.. downside of ions, no way to refuel insitue [19:19:57] unless you bring a seperate tank... [19:20:03] not really a concern in real life [19:20:08] nobody has done that [19:20:30] 9.6 km/s with chemical engines is cheaper with higher TWR [19:20:36] yes [19:20:37] Much much much more mass to haul into orbit, though [19:20:46] 190 tons vs 3 [19:20:59] JCB you can get xenon at venus or titan the same way we get it ast earth [19:21:04] rocket size scales with payload mass in a linear fashion [19:21:10] so doesnt really matter that much [19:21:18] I thought it was exponential [19:21:22] for delta v [19:21:43] oren ya but... though, we talk'n in-game or real life here? [19:22:03] in-game: anyone done light gas refinery stuff? [19:22:06] but to lko you need the same amount of delta v. and for the heavier chemical mission payload the rocket will be heavier linearly [19:22:18] Imma derp and forgot to properly asparagus this. I have more dv out of chemical than ion for less cost and more TWR. No way can I get 14 km/s out of chemical, though. [19:22:20] in game I have a mod with a cryogenic centrfuge [19:22:38] but you dont need 14k [19:22:39] works anywhere with an atmosphere [19:22:47] there is nothing that warrants ut [19:22:51] 0.64 TWR is completely reasonable [19:23:38] but right now all my missions are using mostly LFO mine from the mun [19:23:47] 11 km/s with 0.19 TWR for much much cheaper [19:24:00] Now it's going to turn like a cow flying a bathtub. [19:24:09] The power of NERV [19:24:27] Also may catch fire [19:24:44] i wish we had some better propulsion. i want to see a mars landing [19:24:49] manned i mean [19:24:51] Wow, doesn't turn badly at all. [19:25:02] HECS2 is a workhorse [19:25:16] What is thermal debug menu? [19:26:05] adds thermal data to right click menus [19:26:13] heat flux, temperature, and such [19:26:22] found it [19:26:31] marginally useful for high temperature vehicle testing [19:26:46] I'm sure this is going to overheat but may be before or after it runs out of fuel. [19:27:15] i am thinking of a laythe orbital station with a docked ssto to mine fuel [19:27:32] what was that new generation ion plasma thruster thing... they were going to use it for the ISS but it has to be done in pairs because of some kind of torque twisting? [19:27:37] i normally dont do stations [19:27:45] vasimr [19:27:48] ya [19:28:01] Mining fuel from laythe isn't that good when you've got vall close by [19:28:24] but hets [19:28:26] jets [19:28:31] there was a mention of it in a novel I read recently.. [19:28:54] SSTO with airbreather is going to cut dV expendeture to orbit by a lot [19:29:07] Red Thunder I think.... one of the spacecraft going to Mars was powered by it but something went wrong and it blew up.. [19:30:02] i havent heard of this [19:30:02] https://phys.org/news/2017-04-star-wars-superlaser-longer-sci-fi.html [19:30:07] diamond superlaser [19:30:09] soudns so cool [19:30:13] hmmm,that's true, but does it beat having low gravity? vall is similar to gilly isn't it [19:30:22] no [19:30:29] vall is a normall moon [19:30:42] quite low grad [19:30:45] grav [19:30:58] oh I guess I meant bop then [19:31:10] stupid me [19:31:11] vall has the [19:31:18] so it is interesting on its own [19:31:56] but i imagine it as a base around laythe for further settlement [19:37:08] and i already visited [19:42:55] https://imgur.com/k5Jzzdg [19:42:56] https://i.imgur.com/k5Jzzdg.jpg [19:46:04] Oren nice.. tested out some cargo drop pods myself in the past... [19:46:41] JCB: this is going to kerbin orbit from the mun [19:48:13] ya I was doing most of my tests in kerbin orbit too.. [19:48:37] something of a little idea I had floating around in my head... [19:48:42] "High power lasers are also needed in space applications including [...] tackling the growing space junk problem that threatens satellites," [19:48:50] Action: APlayer is interested [19:49:11] ...so we could potentially deal with space junk by simply evaporating it? [19:49:16] mm.. or possibly in use for fusion reactors [19:49:41] wouldnt it turn back into solid eventually? [19:50:04] lol.. turn all our junk into another moon? [19:50:05] even the iss has sandblasting like erosion on it because of the fine dust from space debris [19:50:08] Althego: Well, that'd not happen soon [19:50:38] the only solution is to wait until it clears and not put more into space [19:50:45] It's an interesting thing to ponder about, anyway [19:50:52] stick defelectors on the ISS... can be either like something you'd use on your car, or ala star trek style [19:51:15] Also, I guess space gas deorbits faster than space junk [19:51:15] what is that light? we are losing a deflector shield [19:52:03] I thought the lasering was to cause explosive ablation, changing the object's course? For the large ones at least [19:52:22] actually, I think they just use a few layers of kevlar blankets, with a bit of an airspace between them.. doesn't take much to disrupt fine particles.. bigger things though might be more of a problem [19:53:10] you could try to vap large space objects, trouble is trying to detect them and track.. [19:53:58] Well, they do have to avoid stuff occasionally [19:54:03] then again... our airports recently got new tech that can scan the runway and pick up on things as small as a bolt... but thats still pretty close ranged [19:54:19] If they had a laser to evaporate things before they hit, that would solve a great deal of problems [19:54:45] JCB: Are those things called, by any chance, metal detectors? :P [19:55:07] now.. they talk'n about debris of what size... full sized components or we thinking more stuff thats broken off, smaller, fist.. finger sized.. [19:55:32] APlayer actually no... [19:56:01] its a form of radar... stuff doesn't have to be metal to be picked up. Its detected other stuff, not just metal. It uses a form of radar [19:56:18] that sits on a mast on the sides of the runway at regular intervals [19:56:26] huh [19:56:30] must be very well calibrated [19:56:42] So I guess you could shine a laser beam or so parallel to the runway surface and see if anything obstructs it up to the other end? [19:57:19] that'd only work if you had a very very flat runway which tends to be the case a lot less than you want it to [19:57:52] http://www.infologic.sg/Aviation-Solution/Foreign-Object-&-Debris-Detection-System-(FOD)--radar-based-solution-for-runway-monitoring [19:57:59] You may do it across the short side, would have to move it more [19:58:01] uses milimeter band of radar [19:58:51] Also, would a bolt-sized object really cause trouble for a plane? [19:59:57] depends [20:00:26] how small or heavy is your plane, what condition are your tires in, what angle is the bolt sticking up at, etc [20:01:27] it also depends on if the object is heavy enough to stay on the runway [20:01:34] or if it's going to get pulled into a turbine [20:01:39] and THAT would definitely ruin someone's day [20:01:45] At most I can imagine it getting flung into the plane or tire retraction mechanism or so and causing damage depending on kinetic energy [20:02:49] Well, not sure how large the suction is at the turbines, but I guess smaller objects are more of a threat there than bolt-sized ones [20:03:06] lol.. found the article that talks about when it was installed at our local airport. A world's first... [20:03:22] system was too sensitive, it was reporting 4" stalk of grass.. [20:04:17] says it could pick up a 2" object from 1000 meters out.. [20:04:33] oh wow [20:04:41] generally you don't want anything on the runway, a bolt can blow a tire quite easily... [20:05:01] or it can kick it up into the wing with enough force to punch a hole in the aircraft skin. [20:05:08] Wouldn't sweeping a laser from a tower and looking for unusual reflections do the job, though? [20:05:40] think the idea is to not use lasers... there's already a big concern of reflections hitting pilots [20:06:03] Uh, I mean before the aircraft actually launches :P [20:06:16] Also, UV lasers are a think too? [20:06:21] thing* [20:06:36] the idea with radar is you can shoot out a wide beam, see what comes back [20:07:02] Yeah, but it sounds so terribly unnecessarily complicated [20:07:14] laser, you having to watch for a very fine point of light... sometimes its not easy to do with certain kinds of conditions [20:07:29] also, not everything will return laser light [20:08:04] also it sounds like you could use this system while planes are using other runways, maybe [20:08:05] If you do let's say a map of how the runway looks when clean, you should get an alarm whenever some spot looks unusual [20:08:07] which is ideal [20:08:21] lol.. what was it Clarkson said in Top Gear.... cars that use lasers to wipe off rain from the windows... egh.. [20:08:40] Ah, other runways might be a concern [20:09:12] So, still, let's say the laser uses UV [20:09:22] our airport has two runways that run parellel... then a third that crosses over. There are 4 of the detection systems setup that work together [20:09:30] Or IR, but IIRC IR lasers cannot be focused as well [20:10:10] And that's a thing I couldn't ever understand too. Why make runways cross each other? [20:10:44] I think it's usually because of land constraints [20:10:56] we also tend to get a lot of rain here... I think anything, ir, laser, radar (milimeter band) will get a little jammed up with some of our downpours here [20:11:04] Could make them parallel in the worst case scenario? [20:11:29] we originally had two runways here.. the main long one, and a cross one.. [20:11:30] airports like to have runways that point in different directions [20:11:48] the smaller cross one was meant for smaller aircraft, since they can't handle major cross winds.. [20:11:49] I'm not clear on why exactly that is, though, because it doesn't seem to save all that much fuel [20:11:59] The thing that confuses me is, if the crossing runway is used, the other ones need to be on holf [20:12:01] hold* [20:12:24] you can still use both... its just in the timing [20:12:34] long as you leave enough space for wake turblance [20:12:36] Sounds not very safe [20:12:59] realize, tower control has been doing this for decades, people are very skilled, know what htey are doing. [20:13:35] "Often you will see crossing runways perpendicular to each other. This ensures that any landing aircraft only needs to handle a 45 degree quartering headwind given any possible wind direction." [20:13:36] ahhhh [20:13:38] that does make sense [20:13:46] fortunately, our airport isn't as crazy busy as some of the others down south... busy ya, but not stupid crazy [20:13:47] Well, as a person who is mentally used to seeing launch pads evacuate for a several kilometer radius a few hours before a rocket launch... :P [20:14:45] aircraft are given a certain amount of clearance, airspace to themselves, it varies depending on what htey are doing. landing, take off, cruiseing.. [20:16:01] actually, the way we have things setup here.. one runway is set for arrivals, the other departures. The cross runway for regional craft out of the south terminal [20:16:48] there is also a kind of unofficial runway for take-offs which is actually a wide taxi way close to the regional terminal that runs parellel to the older main runway [20:16:51] On the other hand, I don't think there was a mid-air/landing/takeoff collision between aircraft in a whole while [20:17:04] but its only used during specific weather and wind conditions. [20:18:47] there was one in sask a few days ago, shortly after take off, but think everyone made it out safe [20:19:15] Flight controller got fired? [20:19:51] https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/no-fatalities-after-plane-crash-in-saskatchewan-1.3720991 [20:19:56] no [20:21:07] saskatchewan. sounds like some kind of alien race [20:21:16] Centeral Canada... [20:21:29] captain, the saskatchewan cruiser has fired two torpedoes at us! [20:22:05] actually, even being in Canada, its kind of odd we don't hear much out of there.. most of it is flat, and farm lands [20:22:34] then again, so is much of Canada east of Calgary till you get around Ontario [20:22:43] Althego: No, two super-lasers [20:24:39] ugh.. ion canons [20:28:17] ion cannon charging TZZZZT low power [20:29:12] well if they did work, chances are it would scramble your electronics ... [20:29:51] police already looking at a form of high powered dual band focused EM emiters to jam car electronics [20:31:01] just put an official backdoor into the car. there are many unofficial ones already [20:31:12] I really like this police thing that jams your wheels by spreading toilet paper all over the place :D [20:31:12] i mean it is full of holes [20:31:19] why would you want to jam car electronics [20:31:21] I thought cops had these already, little RC cars with exploding EMP devices on them [20:31:26] To force people to pull over [20:31:27] that sounds like a very good way to cause accidents very quickly [20:31:56] https://gizmodo.com/5454295/this-emp-cannon-stops-cars-almost-instantly [20:32:08] not old diesels :) [20:32:16] you can emp that however long you want :) [20:32:34] mm... good ol Land Ranger [20:32:38] or what was that other one.. [20:33:02] two wire diesel engine [20:33:14] ... ah right, Power Wagon [20:33:38] haha i see so even the iss people have to dock sometimes in the dark [20:33:48] i have to do that most of the time [20:33:49] somehow [20:33:52] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=850ZgmDO61U [20:33:53] YouTube - Grappler Police Bumper vehicle arrest system [20:34:27] nice idea [20:34:29] actually with cars becoming near super computers on wheels, I'm finding it a bit scary.. think I"ll just stick to my pre 1990's pickup truck, thanks. [20:34:30] havent seen that one [20:35:33] what i like in the iss arm is that it can move around the station, because both ends are the same with grip and power connecto [20:36:05] brought to you buy.. Canada ;) [20:36:46] what gets me... robotic arm.. never call it the Canadarm.. like.. we don't get any recognition too? [20:36:50] even in shadowrun quebec is a separate country :) [20:37:04] i know it is caled that [20:37:18] Quebec nearly got its way... thing is, if they did, they'd be sooooo ruined. [20:37:41] but even the space shuttle had canadarm [20:37:55] ya.. they still called it the robotic arm.. [20:38:32] So that pickup with the trailer on it just needs a "release trailer" button to escape the police :P [20:39:15] maybe a non technological "bribe maneuver" is possible too :) [20:39:38] meh.. just slam him off the highway, if he hits a tree, so much the better? [20:39:40] hehe i remember in elite 2 you could try to bribe the police. sometimes it worked :) [20:40:45] mind you.. people here too much of an idiot to drive properly.. kids racing down the highway, sometimes throw themselves off when taking too sharp a turn [20:41:14] Welcome to German highways with no speed limit whatsoever [20:41:46] we so rarely get car chases here as it is... and for the ones we do, police just hang back while the helo tails them from the air [20:41:58] I've got to say, it's pretty well organized and civil, though. Never heard of huge drama, and bigger accidents are not too common [20:42:29] ya but if anything goes wrong, its a bigger punishment [20:42:53] then again... driving too slow would have your permit on those highways revoked [20:43:11] That is, despite no speed limit on highways in many places, I don't think there are many accidents due to lacking speed control and never heard of a car chase at all [20:43:22] top gear tried doing a segment on it... trouble was, they kept running into road construction [20:44:23] What I did see though were holes punched through roof mounted transporation boxes by not properly secured equipment after sudden braking or acceleration [20:44:29] what I find stupid here, they did bump the speed up a bit, but it was mountain highway.. 120km up a steep hill.. with trucks having to go at a crawl in one or two of three lanes. [20:45:20] Also, the rules are rather clever, there is rarely if ever a single car blocking passage for a faster one [20:45:32] think its the same speed limit when snow hits... so you have guys in 4x4 high centered pickup trucks with snow machines on the back, trying to race up the hill, blowing black crap out the back [20:46:00] You've got to drive in the left lane and only use the right one for passing other cars [20:46:01] ya.. we have passing inside lanes, cruising outside [20:46:18] Uh, I mixed up left and right there, LOL [20:46:21] trouble is.. even when you trying to pass someone, you get someone a foot at your bumper trying to rush past you too [20:46:31] Yeah, cruising outside, passing inside [20:46:45] Nope, never experienced that [20:47:08] I've had to pass a few people going slow, only to pull to the side to have some idiot floor it, wanting to swerve around traffic, just so they can take that exit just up ahead [20:47:17] People usually see if someone is faster than them and let them pass first before using the left lane [20:47:50] And fast moving cars usually anticipate if someone in front is about to pass and brake in advance [20:48:15] meh.. we get people out here with no regard for speed limit... had one guy rocket past me on the highway, must have been flooring it at 200kph or something in 100km zone [20:48:35] Having said that, no, the highways are not fully free of stupid people, but it tends to stay very decent [20:50:01] And this was, to my knowledge, the most recent accident: http://www.swp.de/imgs/04/2/5/3/3/8/0/2/8/tok_0ab26d91bce13fb9d3a0b390f8ff7d63/w541_h400_x480_y354_3dbad8b4cea63645.jpg [20:50:20] (Not very relevant, but still funny) [20:50:23] how even [20:50:34] I don't mind driving highways... then again I like to travel. I don't find I have to be in a rush to get everywhere like some people. Just.. there are those out there that feel they have to be macho in some stupid way [20:51:09] Apparently the drivers had a spasm in their foot and it slammed on the gas pedal [20:51:14] https://drivetribe.imgix.net/L5MFsSYSRTW1Il_HjgYIiw?w=500&h=281&fm=pjpg&auto=compress&fit=crop&crop=faces,edges [20:51:15] Driver* [20:51:55] hehe, i heard stories about builtin radar [20:52:01] tawny: We spent about two days wondering how this could have happened, news revealed the explanation ^ [20:52:03] I'm mostly just impressed by how they seemed to jump it into the air to balance it against the wall [20:52:15] that is also used for keeping distance from cars or stopping before an obstacle [20:52:29] now if you move through a railroad crossing [20:52:37] it might pick up the rails [20:52:40] as signal [20:52:43] tawny: Apparently there is a slope to the left of the image, which is not visible [20:52:45] and stop the car on the crossing [20:52:47] ahh [20:52:51] not able to move for several seconds :) [20:52:52] just google image 'strange car accidents' [20:52:54] The car was fast enough to fly over that slope [20:53:34] Ah, wait, no, the slope is right below the car [20:53:50] If you look closely [20:53:53] ahhhh [20:54:13] I thought that was like a staircase or something it was on [20:54:18] Yeah [20:54:29] It flew over that staircase [20:55:02] hit the curb thing, bounced it into the air a little [20:55:18] I can see the door sits a bit lower, below the pavement [20:55:22] Also, random question. How much does that image look unlike the US, apart from the weird parking place for the car? [20:55:46] also... such a weird layout of windows on that building [20:56:06] I guess there is a staircase right behind the door [20:56:55] Staircases here often have offset windows [20:57:31] a little confused on what the road sign suppose to mean [20:57:40] Though that's a bit narrow for a staircase [20:57:44] no corssing the middle lines? [20:58:23] JCB: No, the blue crossed circle means no parking allowed, the small arrows are optional and may show a certain direction in which the sign applies [20:59:11] i just dont understand the small arrows in it [20:59:14] That's a thing across all of the EU, AFAIK [20:59:17] ah.. [20:59:29] na waiting [20:59:32] whatever the official name is [20:59:36] knew it was EU... just the arrows had thrown me [21:00:15] Althego: No stopping (if you mean that) is a different sign. It is similar, but the blue circle is crossed twice [21:00:26] That is there is a red X on it, kind of [21:00:29] no that is an x [21:01:12] now i realized i cant translate most of the traffic signs [21:01:44] i always knew i dont know enough about grammar, but this is a new area where is simply lack dictionary [21:01:47] I know some signs... being we used to visit Denmark a lot [21:01:55] This one just means no prolonged stopping, i.e. a quick stop to let someone out is acceptable, but not park there and go shopping or so [21:02:14] Althego: Vocabulary* :P [21:02:18] we have no parking, no stopping here [21:02:32] no parking is P with circle and line across.. [21:02:35] se, not enough, just what i said :) [21:02:45] no stopping is black stop sign, with same, circle and line across [21:02:49] hehe, no no parking is the same as this just with an x [21:03:11] ya... so single cross, double cross two things [21:03:28] kind of wondered what those meant... finding info online seems difficult [21:03:43] hah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_European_road_sign [21:03:52] the US doesn't use rectangular manhole covers unless we absolutely can't help it [21:04:05] and I think I see a rectangular manhole cover right in front of the car? [21:04:17] Quite possible [21:04:27] but that might be some other sort of cover for like an electrical junction box that doesn't *really* need a round cover as much [21:04:33] Yeah, that's a manhole cover [21:04:47] manholes are always circular, but there are other things that have rectangular covers [21:04:50] Round metal ones are way more common, though [21:05:25] I think most places here use orange cones, I don't know if I've ever actually seen that type of hazard sign but we do have something that's more or less like that [21:05:31] so the official name of that is no parking [21:05:40] I wouldn't have noticed it doesn't look familiar to me if I weren't looking for it though [21:05:41] huh? [21:05:44] somehow here it is called no waiting [21:06:04] and what we call no parking is the no stopping sign [21:06:10] ugh ok I gotta run.. lates all [21:06:50] the one other thing that stands out to me is that the building's base seems kinda weird? But we have buildings similar to that in america too [21:07:44] to me it seems quite usual building [21:08:08] in fact it could have happened even here by the loks of it [21:08:43] TIL a "No vehicles carrying explosives"-sign is a thing [21:08:49] hehe [21:09:48] tawny, Althego: Ah, okay. Was just wondering just how different Germany is from the US or other places [21:10:06] Apparently, not too bad if you just randomly spawned here or there [21:10:45] haha [21:11:04] And apparently, this is how a "No vehicles carrying explosives" sign looks like in france: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/France_road_sign_B18a.svg [21:11:17] oh, I don't know if I've seen outside mailboxes in the US quite like that before? [21:11:22] they probably exist [21:11:41] but everywhere I've cared to notice, the mailboxes are usually just indoors [21:12:12] and then there'd be a second locked door or set of doors past that point to keep intruders out [21:12:46] That's totally not a thing here [21:13:13] Everyone just has one door, and the mailboxes are usually somewhere around the door on the wall outside [21:14:21] oh I meant like [21:14:30] mailboxes for apartments with lots of people [21:14:44] individual homes have outdoor mailboxes pretty often [21:16:03] Ah [21:16:30] Multiple-apartment-houses still have outdoor mailboxes [21:16:46] At least the vast majority of them [21:20:53] interesting [21:21:00] maybe I've just never really paid attention to that [21:21:12] I guess it makes sense that it's easier for me to notice the indoor ones [21:21:31] so for all I know the US has plenty of those too [21:25:22] I guess I shall find (or take them myself) a few random photographs from German streets and show them here, I'd really like to know if it would be different from what someone in the US would expect to see [21:25:54] The amount of information in the accident image is rather limited [21:30:53] Wait, I'm having trouble getting science out of my station's cupola. How do I transfer it to an EVA scientist? [21:31:09] Left click, take science [21:31:15] Or take experiments or so [21:31:29] Ugh, had to enter the cupola then exit to get that choice. [21:31:30] Need to get close to the hatch, though, IIRC [21:31:57] I was close enough to enter the cupola, not close enough to get the science. In and out did the trick. [21:33:23] Also, is there any way to stop the click-through of windows? If I have three windows on top of each other, one click can do chaotic things. [21:35:24] None that I know of [21:35:32] That is super annoying. [21:35:51] Try not to hit things, move them if possible and necessary [21:40:10] Anyway, I've got to go now. See you! [21:40:18] uh I need a movie to watch [21:41:31] Fluburtur: Beyond the Black Rainbow? [21:42:19] I was thinking something more like kingsman [22:25:10] Anyone else been dealing with launch issues after upgrading to Win10 Creators Update? Received a reply from Squad support that they're getting increasing reports of this, they're not sure what the issue is yet [22:31:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:31:13] https://twitter.com/eggleroy/status/942519531368574977 [22:31:13] 🌑 Christoffel, the new release of Principia, is out. A vessel can no longer pass through a planet unscathed by clos& https://t.co/YdLnyCX5dF [22:59:50] Christoffel, the new release of Principia, is out. A vessel can no longer pass through a planet unscathed by closing its eyes and assuring itself that small time steps aren't real as it rams the surface [23:29:36] :3 [23:58:36] huh... anyone here into museum/vintage air and space related things? [23:59:32] yes [23:59:56] JCB: