[00:02:48] <Qubyte> hmm
[00:03:08] <Qubyte> i heard that you should put space stations above 250km to increase FPS or something?
[00:03:40] <Qubyte> apparently ksp switches to a simpler way of rendering planets at that altitude that apparently has an effect on fps
[00:12:09] <packbart> that's probably true. there is a switch to "scaled space" somewhere
[00:30:37] <darsie> I put my stations at 80 km or so.
[00:32:17] <darsie> My refuelling station has 140 km Ap. IIRC that's because how it happened, and because it happens to some ships, too.
[00:33:24] <packbart> I do notice a short lag at ~150km with a returning capsule. it usually doesn
[00:33:33] <packbart> doesn't affect anything muc
[00:33:52] <packbart> much. duh. this keyboard is broken, I guess
[01:18:15] <umaxtu> pc keyboard?
[01:32:09] <packbart> no, aging laptop keyboard. I might have a spare
[04:00:12] <Althego> hah arrived just in time for docking
[04:05:33] <Althego> homeworld remastered only 3.19 eur on gog
[04:13:12] <raptop> nice
[04:13:19] <raptop> (-1.01, but still)
[05:17:37] <Althego> "i've been floating in the airlock, just to pass the time away" :)
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[13:20:13] <Guest24953> a few questions. i had this game for a long time and have played it intensively but then i didnt tuch it for the past 3 years
[13:20:21] <Guest24953> are the 2 DLCs worth it?
[13:22:29] <packbart> maybe, yes
[13:24:15] <Althego> Guest24953: i dont really like making history dlc, but breaking ground added electric props and robotic parts, and these are quite worthy (also can lift mjölnir)
[13:25:34] <packbart> the 1.875m parts are a useful intermediate size (although augmenting it with the Missing History mod is recommended). the Mission thingy has its uses to plan and replay missions but I didn't use it much
[13:25:40] <Althego> yes that is true
[13:25:40] <packbart> (imo, ymmv)
[13:25:49] <Althego> i didnt notice those were from the dlc
[13:25:51] <Althego> i use thos
[13:25:51] <Althego> e
[13:25:55] <packbart> the 5m parts are from MH, too?
[13:26:03] <packbart> or is that stock-stock
[13:26:16] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Making_History_parts
[13:26:28] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Breaking_Ground_parts
[13:26:48] <Guest24953> in other words its worth it
[13:26:56] <Guest24953> the breaknig grounds DLC
[13:26:59] <packbart> oh, the egine plates are good, too
[13:27:01] <packbart> +n
[13:27:15] <Guest24953> can i make helicopters with breaknig grounds DLC?
[13:27:15] <Althego> engine plates are just a shortcut to my usual method with cubic...
[13:27:19] <Althego> yes you can
[13:27:26] <Althego> but they are not easy to handle
[13:27:29] <packbart> anyway, I'd probably buy any KSP DLC. shutupandtakemymoney :)
[13:27:52] <Guest24953> #packbart smart smart boi
[13:28:07] <Guest24953> what about the maknig histroy DLC in short what is it about
[13:28:10] <Guest24953> and is it worth it?
[13:28:19] <packbart> yes, the parts alone are worth it
[13:28:24] <Guest24953> relative to its contributions
[13:28:25] <packbart> (I'd say)
[13:28:48] <packbart> the additional gameplay stuff not so much, unless you want to build challenges for your friends or such
[13:28:52] <Guest24953> ah so makngi history also adds parts
[13:29:04] <packbart> yeah, see the two wiki links Althego posted
[13:29:15] <Guest24953> alright wil lcheck them out and ty for all the info guys
[13:29:23] <Guest24953> its such a nice game
[13:30:24] <Guest86602> wups i loged out. anyways thanks for the information and bye now
[13:30:42] <Guest86602> will probably get them 
[13:35:18] <Althego> because of these mods i have to buy a 4k screen so that i dont need to scroll in the parts list in the editor
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[14:24:37] <Mat2ch> .oO( I'm still mad about the DLC and will always be :P )
[14:25:50] <Althego> i bought the game too late
[14:25:54] <Althego> so it was not free
[14:28:11] <packbart> I bought KSP and MH in a sale on Steam, not for the full price
[14:28:46] <Althego> i couldnt stop playing ksp for 5 years. cost 15 eur. well spent
[14:28:47] <packbart> still, I think DLCs are important for KSP to keep development going should the buzz for new players slow down
[14:29:14] <Althego> yes, obviously. but the making history was something that nobody wanted
[14:29:45] <packbart> apart from the parts pack?
[14:30:16] <Althego> those are a nice addition, but no way important
[14:30:44] <Althego> but i always wanted the electric props and the robotic joints
[14:31:11] <Althego> but whatever i do i cant put enough props on a plane to really fly on duna
[14:31:29] <packbart> I use the structual parts in almost every rover. sure, some modder would eventually have created them
[14:31:44] <Althego> the triangle things?
[14:31:53] <packbart> otoh, I don't use the props (yet)
[14:31:59] <packbart> I don't build planes
[14:32:17] <packbart> Althego: and the rectangular plates
[14:32:18] <Althego> the point is, the props have infinite delta v in atmosphere
[14:32:25] <Althego> yes i never needed those
[14:32:38] <packbart> a 2.5mx2.5m is a good base for a rover base
[14:33:01] <Althego> but i wouldnt be able to build a car looking rover. i tried several times, they turn out hideous every time
[14:33:09] <packbart> example: https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspr.jpg
[14:33:28] <Althego> i would just skip that in this case
[14:33:38] <Althego> the cabin is enough for a base
[14:33:41] <packbart> well, ok, it doesn't really look like a "car". but it handles Mun and Minmus well enough
[14:34:06] <packbart> the robotic joints are a bit of a let-down, though. https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspr1.jpg
[14:34:16] <Althego> hehe
[14:34:46] <Althego> why are there such gaps?
[14:34:57] <packbart> I don't know. They just happen over time
[14:35:13] <packbart> Robotics don't last long
[14:36:10] <packbart> (from what I've read, the Infernal Robotics mod does have similar problems, too)
[14:36:40] <packbart> probably a variant of the Base Kraken
[14:36:41] <Althego> i heard it had all sort od strange problems
[15:29:37] <Anders_> chanlog
[15:29:46] <Anders_> Hi
[15:29:56] <Althego> doesnt work
[15:30:02] <Anders_> yep still down
[15:30:18] <Anders_> anyone got any tips for geting the encounter for docking
[15:30:21] <Althego> i could try to export the logs odf the other bot
[15:30:31] <Althego> but didnt get to it yet
[15:30:39] <Anders_> its fine  I just wanted to see if it was fixed
[15:31:08] <Althego> orbit around a planet or moon?
[15:31:20] <Anders_> yeah mainly Kerbin for practice
[15:31:58] <Althego> wait, are you the one from a week ago? :)
[15:32:18] <Anders_> umm I think so.. What was my name then?
[15:32:25] <Althego> i cant remember
[15:32:47] <Althego> but i think i cant help you
[15:32:56] <Anders_> I was here befroe but I think it was more like 3 weeks ago and my name was Morerockets
[15:33:06] <Althego> maybe 3
[15:33:09] <Anders_> ok its fine if you cant help
[15:33:23] <Anders_> I gtg soon sry
[15:33:25] <Althego> i mean there was somebody i tried really hard to help some weeks ago
[15:33:34] <Anders_> oh then I dont think it was me
[15:33:35] <Althego> and faile
[15:33:38] <Anders_> maybe though
[15:33:55] <Anders_> well I gtg bye!
[17:25:08] <Mat2ch> Althego: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1328742122107904000
[17:25:17] <Mat2ch> and that's why others test on clean stands ;)
[17:26:35] <Althego> doubly interesting
[17:26:44] <Althego> 2 nm in 2024?
[17:26:57] <Althego> but i though we get 5 nm in 2022
[17:27:05] <Althego> and 3 nm is a bit delayed
[17:27:12] <Althego> 2 nm is even a step after that
[17:27:37] <Althego> so those shiny things flying in all direction turned out to be a hazard
[17:27:44] <Althego> at least no actual problem with the ship
[17:34:17] <Althego> i hope that video comes out soon https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1328566408565968897/photo/1
[17:36:40] <Althego> hehehe https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1328728296587227143
[17:38:13] <Althego> also by 2024 intel might switch to 10 nm :)
[17:40:15] <umaxtu> assuming they don't switch to TSMC
[17:40:33] <Althego> and he dodged the question about the starship progress report
[17:40:35] <Althego> again
[17:41:32] <Althego> the only way for intel to do that is to sell its fabs to tsmc
[17:41:45] <Althego> because somebody needs to produce that volume
[17:43:50] <Mat2ch> Althego: the nanometer game is a fraud anyways. It's just marketing
[17:43:57] <Althego> i know
[17:44:05] <Althego> i just signifies a process change
[17:44:20] <Althego> der8auer showed that the intel and amd transistors are the samesize :)
[17:46:51] <umaxtu> personally, I suspect Intel is making noise about moving to TSMC to try to get the US Gooberment to give them money for "national security"
[17:47:23] <Althego> just take it from profits. they are making a load of money even now
[17:48:47] <umaxtu> why decrease your profits to do something when you can convince the gooberment to pick up the tab?
[17:52:33] <Althego> exactly because of capitalism. not their money
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[19:19:47] <Althego> oh a what about it
[19:34:46] <Althego> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1328770804222468097
[19:34:58] <Althego> os that 10 dollars for kg to orbit?
[19:35:16] <Althego> heck even i could afford that
[19:35:37] <Althego> if they finish human rating it before i die
[19:42:31] <raptop> $10/kg sounds like ocean-crossing airfreight
[19:49:17] <packbart> beware, it's elon-metric. but yeah, sounds very good if it even comes close to that
[19:53:17] <Althego> lol what is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v5HJ6np5z8
[20:32:46] <Mat2ch> packbart: but even at 20 USD/kg it would be affordable, if you save for it
[20:36:53] <umaxtu> cheaper than pot. thats for sure
[20:37:03] <Althego> hehe
[21:44:58] Action: darsie made a KSP video: https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=37225359
[21:53:18] <darsie> Magnet hash if tpb is blocked for you: BF8C16690FD53694F1EFF8CABC83340A10E3633E
[21:53:34] <darsie> Not a super exciting video, though :)
[21:53:45] <darsie> How to get to Kerbin orbit with your second launch and make lots of science
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[22:07:59] <Qubyte> hi
[22:42:16] <darsie> .
[22:51:17] <raptop> ..
[22:56:09] <packbart> so, nobody was watching the Vega launch? I just learned that it failed because of a wiring error. check your cabling! :)
[22:56:21] <packbart> ( https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/11/17/arianespace-traces-cause-of-vega-launch-failure-to-human-error/ )
[22:56:40] <packbart> "Engineers concluded that cables leading to thrust vector control actuators on the upper stage were inverted, apparently a mistake from the assembly of the upper stage engine"
[22:57:18] <deadmind> damn it, another "installed IMU upside down"-type failure
[22:57:31] <deadmind> how do their tests not catch that?
[22:59:02] <packbart> how do their plugs don't have polarity notches?
[23:00:14] <packbart> but yeah, one might imagine the actuators are tested before launch to check if "move left" moves it to the correct left
[23:27:17] <Qubyte> hi
[23:28:18] <Qubyte> i heard that anything inside of farings, even open ended ones, would not have any drag
[23:31:14] <Qubyte> is this true or not?
[23:49:50] Action: raptop wants to say that there's a lot of weirdness. They *shouldn't* have drag IIRC