[00:07:48] maybe it's because I use Dvorak, but I don't think so. [00:17:30] Doesn't seem to be a keyboard setting issue. The Staging indicator is pink instead of green. But why? I have Jeb in the capsule and power. [00:20:01] hrm. timewarp? [00:20:25] no. Launchpad. [00:20:50] Have you tried yelling at Werner? [00:21:36] no [00:21:46] I might wake up some flat mates. [00:22:12] I can activate the engine with rmb, though. [00:23:06] hrm [00:23:43] save/load didn't help. [00:25:16] Linux [00:25:57] Action: UmbralRaptop doesn't know, and for lack of other ideas will just start asking about clean installs, input locks, etc [00:29:12] Clean install. Copied old saves over. [00:47:22] In 1.7.3 I could focus to the active vessle wiht `. That doesn't work in 1.8. Can't find a key definition in the setting, either. [00:57:00] Staging is back :). I think I did it by fiddling with insert/delete. Not by configuring ` as secondary staging key. [00:57:15] insert/delete/space [01:05:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v NBones' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:05:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o DuoDex' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:11:29] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v phroa' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:49:00] Ah, changing ascent modes or something [03:24:48] Apparently the launcher (ick) was updated at some point [03:29:25] mmm? [03:49:22] Silliness that meant I had to update a shortcut. [03:50:15] oh.. program launcher, not rocket launcher.. doh [03:50:24] Also, I can confirm that the Pollux, Thoroughbred, and Clydesdale can take you to Kerbin escape. From KSC. While pointed straight up. [04:05:05] oh.. SRBs, had to look that up. c_c; [04:12:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ktns' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:50:53] yeah, the new SRBs are, uh, notably powerful [05:51:42] The smol ones probably can act like Star 37 etc upper stages [06:06:23] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:26:37] finally there is a more powerful sepratoron :) [06:27:20] flea? :) [06:28:13] Pollux? [06:36:15] Talking of using Pollux as a sepratron, I wonder how Star Theory solved the high part count problem. [06:40:06] And talking about performance, I can highly recommend playing around with the "render quality" slider if anyone is playing with a weak GPU. Turning off anti-aliasing and adjusting the render quality seems to have a much greater impact on performance than any other options [07:33:24] changing "scale = 1" to "scale = -1" in the settings.cfg under "AXIS_MOUSEWHEEL" - ah, the forum knows best [07:33:45] What does that do? [07:33:55] re-reverse the mouse scroll wheel [07:34:27] Ah, that makes sense [07:34:35] I didn't see any other settings for that [11:03:40] When will the new demo come out? [11:06:31] I heard that there's a DNA grafting project that is attempting to give swine wings and the ability to soar into the air like eagles. When they succeed, I presume the new KSP demo will come out. [11:06:42] That's also true [11:08:58] steam doesn't install it. [11:09:47] It doesn't? OK that's a shame [11:13:07] Does it for you? Or anyone? [11:14:55] I don't really use Steam, but there was someone who got that not more than a month or two ago and it worked for them [11:15:44] But it's OK, darsie, because a new demo is coming out after 1.3.1 is released https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/163917-what-happened-to-the-demo/&do=findComment&comment=3136372 [11:16:11]

[11:16:20] yay :) [11:17:40] Don't get your hopes up too much, we're already 5 versions and two years after that post. But I suppose we are technically still "after 1.3.1", so... [11:18:29] ik :) [11:18:35] darsie, you could try one of these https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/163917-what-happened-to-the-demo/&do=findComment&comment=3136194 [11:19:08] Note that I have not checked any of the links for malware or anything [11:31:41] These file links ask me to log in and after logging in do nothing. [11:31:49] bbl [11:38:29] Saturn, King of Moons. https://carnegiescience.edu/NameSaturnsMoons [11:47:01] oh wow, naming conventions for moons [11:51:18] I prefer to call them dwarf moons [11:51:31] Most of them haven't cleared their orbits [11:52:34] :P [11:54:06] you know, if they choose names of dwarves from norse mythology it'd be quite fitting [11:54:46] Ha, nice [11:55:47] I wonder why they chose giants [11:56:36] it seems like a suggestion [11:56:46] No, it's a requirement [11:56:48] Vindalf, Alberich, Andvari, Durin - I once had a bunch of virtual machines I named after norse-ish dwarves [11:56:51] https://norse-mythology.net/giants-and-giantesses-in-norse-mythology/ [11:56:52] ah, must be [11:56:56] i havn't noticed that [11:57:21] I think they should pick Hel, just so you can tell people you don't like that they should visit one of the moons of Saturn. [11:57:30] packbart, well Tolkien did take dwarves' names directly from that song [11:57:49] i think all giants were evil in norse mythology [11:57:54] all or almost all [13:17:57] BFG [13:25:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:28:05] Something tells me the Big Friendly Giant isn't part of ancient Norse mythology ;) [13:28:20] Although that would be quite amusing [13:28:36] Imagine him turning up in the next Avengers [13:29:54] :) [14:08:31] I think they should pick Hel, just so you can tell people you don't like that they should visit one of the moons of Saturn. [14:08:46] you can always tell people to go to helsinki airport [14:09:22] there was a piece of news a few years back that flight 666 on friday the 13th had safely landed in HEL [14:13:10] That's good to know, GlassYuri [14:14:01] looked it up, it was Finnair, it was renumbered in 2017, and had flown as AY666 on friday the 13th for 21 times [14:25:20] Finnair mentioned [14:26:11] Long time no irc my fellow kerbonauts [14:26:20] Does Supernovy still frequent this place? [14:56:57] Hey there Kalpa [14:57:35] I don't think so, Kalpa [14:57:53] He's still around, but I don't think he comes here anymore. I could be wrong [15:00:21] I have 1e26 toms in my body solving Schroedinger equations non stop. [15:00:40] Damn. [15:00:58] Umm, wrong channel? [15:01:26] That sounds pretty existential, yes [15:01:29] Try #philosophy [15:02:32] yeah, wrong channel ... [15:03:17] Try moar boosters, darsie [15:03:29] k [15:03:35] I tried yesterday. [15:03:47] Got scolded for it. [15:04:01] Cause I did it at 3 am. [15:15:06] less boosters [15:15:59] HERESY [15:16:51] fewer boosters :P [15:16:59] lesser boosters [15:17:17] That's better, sandbox. [15:18:02] Hmm, I could see if I can get to orbit even cheaper with the lesser booster. [15:19:43] lesser boosters, greater boosters, ancient arch-boosters [15:20:08] Needs more booster. [15:20:20] Sounds like species of birds, packbart. [15:20:29] Lesser-spotted booster [15:21:16] I was thinking of minor gods but couldn't find a good description of godly hierarchies right now [15:23:54] One (1) booster [15:24:48] The Holy Booster of Antioch? [15:26:02] Action: UmbralRaptop wonders if anyone has used one of the 2.5 m boosters to send a probe directly to Eve [15:33:24] less is more? [15:36:17] "less is more or less more" [15:36:55] (The best manpage entry, deprecated for something that is actually helpful) [16:31:58] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:43:14] Hi [16:43:45] ALrighty there [16:44:00] The [16:44:06] Opps [16:44:18] I'm not entirely sure I should be welcoming the Tsar Bomba, but hey ;) [16:44:27] hehe [16:44:43] maybe in soviet russia the tsar bomba welcomes you [16:44:52] I wish i was more original [16:45:20] and that America was more impressive [16:49:36] Action: UmbralRaptop blinks [16:52:39] gone in a flash :) [17:22:24] does 1.8 overwrite the config from some hidden storage? [17:22:29] i melded it twice [17:22:34] and i lose all of my settings [17:22:50] which i dont want to set manually from some random menus again [17:24:22] at least i should save the file so that i dont need to meld it again [17:26:02] Maybe related to the new graphics settings? [17:28:10] My mouse wheel is inverted somehow [17:28:31] Mat2ch, known bug [17:28:37] There's a workaround [17:29:25] Action: UmbralRaptop blames Apple [17:30:02] Trying to find that solution... [17:33:19] Sorry can't find it right now, but I think it was packbart who found it [17:35:47] I read it on the forum ;) [17:35:49] changing "scale = 1" to "scale = -1" in the settings.cfg under "AXIS_MOUSEWHEEL" [17:50:05] ok this is unplayable like this [17:51:08] because of settings are always reset i dont get past the main menu screen [17:51:14] aaaaaa [17:51:34] make settings.cfg readonly? [17:51:47] i havent tried that [17:51:58] but it was not needed until now and shouldnt be [17:52:21] if i am unlucky it is going to crash because of that [17:52:39] well, my custom PHYSICS_FRAME_DT_LIMIT did survive the upgrade [17:53:09] apparently nobody has this problem [17:55:28] hmm [17:55:37] mouse scroll zoom reversed?! [17:55:44] yes [17:55:49] why on earth?! [17:55:54] 'change "scale = 1" to "scale = -1" in the settings.cfg under "AXIS_MOUSEWHEEL"' [17:55:55] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [17:55:58] or maybe inv to True [17:56:17] possibly with the Unity update and because Apple Did It? ;) [17:56:30] burn apple [17:58:58] I'm blaming Apple indirectly for "natural" scrolling [18:00:22] I can't find any zoom in the settings [18:00:44] as they said, you hav to change it in the settings.cfg [18:00:55] not all settings are there in the guiú [18:01:24] kubi: changing the setting in AXIS_MOUSEWHEEL changed both for me [18:02:52] in the mouse settings there is only a wheel sensitivity [18:03:02] should I do directly to the file? [18:04:41] ah, ok [18:04:55] that's what I did. maybe it'll change again with 1.8.1 ;) [18:05:41] axis = -1 [18:05:44] maybe that is [18:06:26] btw electron launch was successful, supőposedly went up to 1000 km [18:07:15] file unchanged when read only [18:07:21] still gets the data wrong [18:07:29] meaning it resets to default [18:07:50] Good morning. It seems since 1.8 last night my altimeter is just a grey blob. I have tried removing all mods, and all the numbers are just little grey blocks. I also did a file integrity check on steam. [18:07:50] which settings do you need to change? [18:08:09] random stuff in all around the config [18:08:26] even if i changea few booleans or simple numeric they still change back [18:08:31] giving users access to low level settings is such a support nightmare ;) [18:08:32] even if i change them in the gui [18:08:57] for example the game insists it should go up to 120 fps which is pointless in most monitors [18:09:01] so i truned it down to 60 [18:09:06] ok, that's weird then. maybe some error in the settings causes it to reject the whole file? [18:09:07] patch conic limit increased [18:09:09] siome keys changed [18:09:11] etc [18:09:26] but that is it, the game rewrites the settings to the defauklt on each start [18:09:35] so it means the default is wrong [18:10:39] aaaa [18:11:34] somehow the fullscreen setting remains, even if it changes it back in the file [18:11:41] also the screen resolution [18:18:25] software industry [18:22:31] even that annoying unity user data popup comes back every time [18:25:24] Cleansing fire? [18:28:00] apparently the videos of the new tesxtures didnt do them any jjustice, even in the menu screen the new mun surface looks better [18:28:16] unfortunately that is as far as i go with 1.8 with the settings like this [18:30:36] huh, my KSC gained a few ramps. https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/foo.jpg [18:30:52] maybe I'll try resetting the settings, too [18:31:30] packbart: mine looks the same [18:32:06] just delete the config file [18:35:29] so this supposed verbose log i can tur on... where does it go? [18:36:21] probably to the usual log file, but the startup is not really doing anything more thant without it [18:36:46] there will be an 1.8.1 soon, I hope [18:37:15] so annoying, it resets the config every time, even if i just start the game, quit, and start again [18:38:37] hm [18:38:38] have you tried removing the file, starting once and then edit it? [18:38:47] that is it [18:38:50] i doint even need to edit it [18:38:56] it reqerites it on every startup [18:39:06] ah, ok. [18:47:48] Looks like a bunch of people on the forum are having the same problem [18:48:08] then google still didnt index it yet :) [18:50:00] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/188951-settings-reset-at-every-game-launch-18/ [18:50:09] no solution yet [18:51:01] i can tell it is not steam related because i dont even have an avvount [18:51:54] can be anything from unity bug through some os quirk to some locale specific setting [18:52:51] Error, Austrian co-monarch not found [18:52:59] hehe [18:53:04] not far from here [18:53:22] although the habsburg family still exists [18:56:07] We are already working on a fix but in the meantime the work around for this issue is changing your Regional Format to English (US). [18:56:14] https://bugs.kerbalspaceprogram.com/issues/23909 [18:56:17] hehe, thought so [18:56:27] at least it was one og my guesses [18:56:51] maybe the fraction symbol (. or ,), that often happens [18:58:59] i guess i can wait for 1.8.1, because i havent played any game for a month or so [18:59:12] i dont even understand how that was possible [19:01:11] what config setting you trying to deal with? [19:01:30] none [19:01:50] apparently the game decides to overwrite the config because of some locale setting [19:02:07] must have crept in with the unity upgrade [19:02:46] huh... [19:02:57] obviosuly no issue with us settings :) [19:03:12] hehe that reminds me when you could only install siemens software with german settings [19:03:15] can't say I've had any config issues... did have some weird text font glitch on the intro screen once [19:03:27] because what else would be the only true language of a siemens software [19:03:58] somehow i am unimpressed with the new nasa (moon) space suits [19:04:37] ok, the 8 psi (about 55% atmo) pressure is impressive [19:04:58] but otherwise still just a bit better than the current ones [19:05:09] not sure higher pressure is really a good thing though [19:05:23] it is not good if you get a leak :) [19:05:24] weren't they designed so they could dock on side of that rover, and can get in and out of quickly? [19:05:48] probably because tha backpack part looks incredibly big [19:06:17] covers up hatch, swings out... [19:06:55] apparently a lot higher mobility [19:07:01] ok, maybe i am starting to be impressed [19:07:02] looking at it closer... reminds me a bit of the Orlan suits [19:09:00] I actually kind of liked the shuttle/iss suits... but that is just me I guess [19:09:16] the orange color is not very good for mars :) [19:09:51] orange.. wait which one we talk'n about now? [19:10:08] you mentioned the shuttle iva suits, it looks like that [19:10:11] the second one [19:10:16] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzyIiAeWEZA [19:10:16] YouTube - NASA presents spacesuits for moon exploration – 10/15/2019 [19:11:34] oh wasn't meaning the flight pressure suits.. the eva ones [19:12:03] https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/GL-Graphic-Space-Suits-v2.jpg [19:13:15] those are the generic us spacesuits, may have started on the shuttle, but i wouldnt associate them strictly with the shuttle, unlike the orange iva stuff, that was so shuttle [19:14:09] shuttle/ISS EVA suits... [19:14:32] the one one looks like a mash of the two suit systems used on ISS [19:15:02] and tomorrow is friday [19:15:31] don't party too hard.... yet [19:17:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sh5XZo5wRE [19:17:59] YouTube - How to make Plutonium [19:32:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:35:29] hehehe, user comment "The James Webb Telescope is going to be a game-changer. I'm going to be so nervous when it launches in 2027." [19:38:10] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:40:30] so soon? [19:41:18] supposedly in 2021 [19:49:52] isn't it software written in javascript or something equally stupid? [19:50:15] what, jwst? [19:50:19] yeah [19:50:27] i gope not [19:50:34] also covfefe :) [19:51:56] https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/bglvey/the_9bn_james_webb_space_telescope_will_run/ [19:52:23] ok then it is a failure already [20:00:52] I mean, I bet some of the websites for submitting proposals or running exposure time calcs use JavaScript, [20:57:32] https://twitter.com/BP_Hutch/status/1184698998092959744 [20:57:32] Love this photo of Alexei Leonov throwing a football in the National Mall during a visit to Washington, D.C. https://t.co/088vnONY1O [21:30:05] can someone give me some support about a problem in my ksp? [21:30:33] Well, you haven't stated what the problem is? [21:30:56] If it's mouse wheel related, you'll have to edit settings.cfg [21:31:33] If it's the altimeter being gray, you'll need to up one of the scaling options (hud?) to at least 95% [21:32:08] If it's settings being undone every time you restart KSP, I don't know the solution, or if one has yet been found [21:32:10] my ground science doesn't send science any more. After the 1.8 update, I wanted to have a look for the new visual effects and deleted some mods, now the error ingame appears "the science stations can't work, cause they don't touch a planets surface" [21:33:10] Hrm, sounds like terrain changes mean that they would need to be replaced? (assuming that this isn't a mod interaction) [21:34:01] replacement by picking the parts up with a kerbal and place them again doesn't work [21:34:24] I'll put the mod-stuff back and try if it works again, wait a moment [21:35:47] hrm. Does placing new parts entirely? [21:36:02] I know that 1.8 is a breaking change in some ways [21:36:24] and .. where can I bet, that KSP 2 will be a failure? [21:38:06] Uh, I think reddit has some betting subreddits? [21:38:17] nope, put the mods back doesn't work. What a pitty... [21:38:49] I need the sciencepoints so bad :( [21:39:54] I mean, I tend to make sure to have backups / multiple installs, though the game does not make it clear that this is a good idea, especially with mods. [21:40:13] have a nice evening out there. What a funny experience. Haven't been in a public browser-chat since the mid 90th :D [21:41:42] IRC clients still exist! [21:41:52] Action: UmbralRaptop may be using one on my phone [22:51:35] Action: packbart uses SSH on the phone