[00:03:56] ve2dmn: there are (well, were) theoretical reasons to expect protons to decay, but so far the experiments show nothing. [00:09:17] so... what happens if they dont? review the theory? [00:28:01] Yes, though this also gets into the really annoying problems particle physics has had since the 1970s [00:57:20] so who will be there in 10^43 years to review the theory? [00:58:40] which one..? universe collapse? [01:09:07] something about protons starting to decay, which i don't really understand [01:10:20] That is like 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years, to put it another way. [01:11:23] 1e+43 [01:11:49] what's the current age of the universe? 10^10 years? [01:12:47] There is a number so large the amount of digits is even larger than the number of particles in the universe. [01:13:36] do we even know for sure that the universe is finite? [01:14:02] or is that "observable universe"? [01:19:03] perhaps it just loops back on itself? [01:19:19] each loop... a different version of things [01:25:11] A version of me that is THAT universes version of Stephen Hawking...that would be kinda awesome. [01:25:13] https://i.gyazo.com/0f0459a2893b3799c64d100859f4c480.jpg [02:10:28] At that point "version of me" becomes a pretty vague term [02:39:12] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: All the regolith's red, and the air is thin. Took an E.V.A., much to my chagrin. I'd could breathe and play, if Mars were Terran! Terraformer dreaming in such a Martian wind! [02:46:47] Plaid is back? When did it ever go out of style? [02:56:38] "There is no effective atmosphere on Mars. These proposals to create breathable air from such a near vacuum in a dusty place with no available water have not been done on Earth as life support systems." [02:57:14] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders what that ice discovered on Mars must be if it's not water ice. [02:58:33] We've found water on Mars like 5 different times. [02:59:27] ISRU also no real. [02:59:53] Said person also seems to think that Matt Damon's character from The Martian was not in a pressurized environment. [03:01:05] I kid you not: "I sometimes wonder how Matt Damon's potatoes grew in a plastic greenhouse when the exterior pressure was 1% of Earth's." [03:04:04] Another person: "The moon has He3 that might be a profitable commodity someday." [03:04:21] Perhaps . . . But only if you don't recover it from the Moon. [03:06:45] The Lunar Helium-3 mining cliche needs to die. Violently, preferably, but it must go. [03:07:47] "Please include a 2nd generation fusion reactor in your proposal?" [03:08:16] Plot twist: Fusion power plants never become a thing, but helium-3 using fusion rockets do. [03:08:33] blink [03:09:13] Dem charged particles. [03:12:27] Action: Scolar_Visari mutters something about large scale helium-3 usage being as common and tiresome a cliche as Orion drives: They fix every problem spaceflight may have. [03:13:55] Orion drives feel underused in SF, if anything. >_> [03:14:46] Well, generally speaking, it's easier just to hand wave propulsion altogether. [03:14:58] Only ones that come to mind are Footfall and that Vernor Vinge story with bobbles. (Marooned in Real Time?) [03:15:26] well, yes. [03:16:56] Deep Impact's Messiah supposedly featured one http://fantastic-plastic.com/uploads/3/5/5/3/35539432/_8188895_orig.jpg [03:17:16] Along with an unreasonable number of solid fuel rocket boosters on a deep space vehicle. [03:17:57] Uh [03:20:55] In the future, SpaceX will land people on Mars with Imperial Gunboats? https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/006/253/696/large/encho-enchev-space1.jpg?1497170483 [03:21:19] Scolar_Visari: Handwaving propulsion? [03:21:26] How does waving ones hands propel you in space? [03:21:34] Are you saying there's air in space!? [03:22:21] Kosmonaut: You have to puncture a hole in your spacesuit and futily wave your hand around. [03:22:48] TheKosmonaut: well, it works for the mi-go& [03:22:56] I am the Iron Man - Cdr John Fjordson ca 2143 [03:23:43] Action: Scolar_Visari also notes that the EVA suits in Interstellar had arm-mounted thrusters. [03:23:54] Scolar_Visari: SpaceX is partnering with Cygnus Starworks! \o/ [03:24:40] I *knew* Elon Musk was evil! [03:25:00] I'm now guessing Bezos is developing X-Wing fighters as we speak. [03:25:30] Scolar_Visari: Implying Bezos is not the founder of The Imperium [03:25:51] The Imperium of Man or the Galactic Empire? [03:25:59] Amazon is a front for the Trade Federation. [03:26:42] Well, at least we'll get Droidekas out of the deal. [03:27:14] Action: Scolar_Visari acknowledges Buzz Aldrin is Kenobi in any event. [03:28:33] Almost time for Lost in Space. [03:29:08] The droid army was always amusing in how it demonstrated that humanoid robots are silly. [03:29:33] UmbralRaptop: This is getting out of hand [03:29:36] now there are two of them [03:29:49] Action: TheKosmonaut shows Elon and his clone, Belon [03:30:00] UmbralRaptor: They should've gone for those sweet drones from Oblivion. [03:30:04] uh [03:30:18] Kosmonaut: Spoiler alert: The clone goes mad. [03:30:38] Scolar_Visari: I want a movie where hte clone is the good one and the original is evil [03:31:31] Kosmonaut: There was, and I'm not kidding, a Jean Claude van Damme movie with that EXACT premise. [03:31:49] Ah, here it is: 2001's Replicant! [03:32:19] Oh, sweet, I forgot Michael Rooker was in it! [03:33:48] Action: Scolar_Visari looks to see if movie is on television. [03:35:35] Ermahgawd it's on Amazon Prime! [03:36:13] Well, I know what I'm doing for the next hour and forty minutes. [03:36:46] Indulging in the sweet, sweet guilt free drug that is vintage Jean Claude van Damme. [03:41:43] Action: Scolar_Visari still finds it odd that the only JCVD movie they do not like is Hard Target. [03:53:23] The Imperium of Man or the Galactic Empire? <-- the fourth and bountiful human empire? [03:58:36] The Fourth Reich!? [03:59:04] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders why there hasn't been more attempts at World War II in space with Space Axis and Space Allies. [03:59:22] Sherman BattleMechs versus Spider Panthers. [04:01:35] The Space Battleship Yamato, of course, gets depressurized and exploded by space torpedo bombers. [04:02:38] Wing Commander 1 had a Pacific War in Space" vibe. [04:05:43] I know Starlancer tried to do that. [04:06:03] This is truly the route Infinite Warfare should've gone for. [04:06:20] All the more so given that there were a few World War II guns in the game . . . [04:06:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:13:29] Also: Who wouldn't want to see the landings on Planet Normandy or the orbital bombardment of Planet Stalingrad? [04:18:42] The first, yes. The second would paradoxically strain my suspension of disbelief. [04:20:56] [Posh English Documentary Accent]In the eighth month of 3041, the Infinite Reich's 6th Army began its orbital bombardment of Stalingrad, a strategic planet located on the Interstellar Union of Socialist Republics's Volga Hyperspace Route. Within days, dropships deployed Panzermechas in the ruins of Spaceport No. 1."[/Posh English Documentary Accent [04:20:56] ] [04:26:15] [Posh English Documentary Accent]The Panzermechas were about as adept as navigating the rubble as ED-209s, tripping on the ruins of the city while Soviet battledroids and impressed laborers made a desperate stand admist continued orbital bombardment by the Raummarine.[/Posh English Documentary Accent] [04:40:02] Whart are you trying to do Scolar? [04:42:54] Envision what Infinite Warfare should've been: Call of Duty 2 in Space. [04:47:01] In retrospect, ED-209s would be a perfect fit for the Space Fourth Reich. [04:53:29] Althego: You missed it. There was World War II . . . IN SPACE. [04:54:26] what [04:54:34] with space nazi ufos again? [04:54:52] Oh no. Just Call of Duty 2 in space, with Planet Normandy and Planet Stalingrad. [04:57:08] Althego: I am pretty sure there was a NaziZombie stage in call of duty that's on the moon [04:58:09] Not good enough. I wanna see thousands of starships opening fire on Planet Normandy and landing boats vomit fully armed hover-Shermans. [05:01:07] Scolar_Visari:... I would play that [05:01:35] Pont du Hoc can be a fortified asteroid [05:02:10] "Sir, the French Nuclear Cannons aren't on the surface!" "Oh crap! Get a breaching charge on that airlock then, we're going in!" [05:02:47] Heck, this would be a compelling reason for episodic, campaign DLC instead of loot boxes and multiplayer maps no one uses. [05:03:24] Space Poland would be a pretty sweet campaign. [05:06:17] Though I suppose space combat would have to be its own separate game with Space Germany cloak-boats attacking convoys. [05:22:53] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to remake World War II in space, complete with a hover chair using FDR, a cybernetic Stalin, Churchill's head in a jar and, of course, the final boss of Wolfenstein 3d. [05:23:31] Hahah :D [05:23:31] what a start to my day. [05:25:49] lol [05:28:42] what´s up? [05:36:45] https://imgur.com/a/buxzG [05:36:50] Did a thing. [05:38:03] BadRocketsCO: nice! :D [05:38:19] are those the new parts, or is that modded [05:40:58] must be modded [05:45:49] jgkamat: BadRocketsCO plays RO, so my money is on it being RO. [05:46:08] and the main RO required/recommended mods [05:46:20] BadRocketsCO: nice surveyor [05:46:24] Yup, pretty modded [05:47:40] BadRocketsCO: now land an apollo next to it [05:48:03] BadRocketsCO: bring some parts back to earth [05:48:14] hehe [05:48:23] cant be that hard, it happened ) [05:50:09] Rokker: that should be relatively easy, actualy. [05:50:39] Atlhough my precision landing skills may be a bit rusty. [06:45:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v RyanKnack' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:46:48] Hooray, all the crew of my educational expedition have levelled up! [06:49:28] i really like the "new" feature that crew can level up mid-flight [06:51:12] Eddi|zuHause: I only have that because of a mod I think [06:51:18] I'm still on 1.2.2 [06:58:39] because of lab on board? [07:03:25] Gasher[work]: yeah [07:03:40] also the duna window isfinally almost here! [07:03:47] https://imgur.com/Dw7dhMJ [07:03:47] https://i.imgur.com/Dw7dhMJ.jpg [07:03:54] that's not mod, that is lab's functionality [07:04:16] oh lol [07:06:26] I built this thing a while ago but I missed the duna window so they had to wiat for the next one [07:07:00] it's made out of the components of the first kerbin space station [07:07:37] and a propulsion unit in front [07:35:57] well, i do remember having a mod that could level up crew before 1.3.0 [07:38:53] iirc the mobile lab can do that now? [07:39:11] Lyneira, i think it is in its description? [07:40:15] Should be [07:43:54] is that supposed to be a tug? [07:47:30] tug and barge [07:48:38] this thing turns at about a few arcseconds a second [07:49:30] at least autostrut makes it less wobbly than trains used to be [07:52:24] and it's using chemical engines so it only takes 3 minutes to exit, probably [07:56:47] oooor maybe the rocket module tears itself off the rest of the train [07:56:56] *F9* [07:57:06] accelerate gradually [07:58:54] Gasher[work]: nah just needed better configuration of autstruts [07:59:30] well tinkering with struts is always a thing [07:59:32] https://imgur.com/1Er5QUm [07:59:33] https://i.imgur.com/1Er5QUm.jpg [08:00:35] must be fun in that science module surrounded by hot exhaust plasma [08:00:45] well what would happen if you add trust slowly? [08:00:46] https://imgur.com/9SVOuA1 [08:00:46] https://i.imgur.com/9SVOuA1.jpg [08:00:57] ah lol [08:01:13] i thought it was an explosion but it's just normal engine work [08:01:54] hehe [08:01:58] longcat is long [08:02:42] https://imgur.com/mVy21PB [08:02:42] https://i.imgur.com/mVy21PB.jpg [08:03:27] lovely [08:03:44] scenic [08:03:59] very SciFi [08:05:28] https://imgur.com/e4sQD0Y [08:05:28] https://i.imgur.com/e4sQD0Y.png [08:11:58] fuel is almost half empty after first burn. supid chemical engines! owell [08:19:49] this should have enough delta v to go land on duna, and hopefully that engine module can come back to kerbin to fetch more equipment [08:29:12] oren: that's normal. If you carry much fuel, you will burn much fuel to move that fuel... [09:31:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:57:23] If I have a contract that I have to get to X location at 2k meters up... How do I use the navball to orient myself If I can't see the navigation marker on the navball? [10:01:04] i mean, 20k meters up lol [10:02:03] bletch, is it on Kerbin? [10:02:12] yes [10:02:16] something has changed [10:02:41] the usual mining spot for rare and exotic stuff is no more [10:02:54] but I can minde at the KSC ... [10:02:57] mine [10:03:08] bletch, OK. So from the map view, you should be able to see where it is on the globe. In that case you can see if you need to fly North, South, East or West. Use the markers on the navball so aim in the approximate direction [10:03:42] bletch, When you get closer, you'll start to see the marker starting to appear on the navball [10:04:07] kubi, I believe ore concentration is different for each save [10:04:31] ore might be [10:04:39] but I'm no sure about other minerals [10:07:29] Oh right, you're using mods. No idea about that [10:16:49] What's happening with Take-Two and KSP mods? Does the new EULA means that the rights of the modders are not reserved? [10:19:03] hopefully they don't appear on besthesda creation club [10:20:22] kakakakak, hi [10:21:10] For example, this mod has gone on hiatus as the Take-Two ToS states that the rights of the modders have no effect: https://github.com/MOARdV/AvionicsSystems/wiki/KSP-Forum-ToS [10:21:43] kakakakak, their legal team has been completely silent on that question, unfortunately, but the general consensus is that a EULA applies only to things physically hosted on their servers. Mods are hosted elsewhere, so their rights are safe. EULA cannot break the law, basically. [10:22:38] So it's not as serious as the GTA-V situation then? [10:22:53] kakakakak, not as far as we know, no [10:23:21] kakakakak, the only official statement we have received is "we support mods" [10:24:50] Hmm.. ok. And I haven't seen any news of any Cease and Desists being filed unlike the GTA-V mods. Thanks for the response either way. [10:25:00] kakakakak, a EULA or ToS cannot give anyone ownership of something linked to and hosted elsewhere (as far as we can tell) [10:25:24] Although I did make a backup back then when they acquired KSP... just in case. [10:25:39] @Deddly That's true. [10:25:52] It seems to be a general-purpose bit of text to prevent them getting sued in unexpected ways for merely providing a forum [10:26:40] kakakakak, you'll notice that the link you provided there is actually talking about the Terms of Service for the forum, not the game [10:27:24] That's correct. guess I didn't read it properly [10:27:49] kakakakak, is specifically mentions "submissions to the company". In other words, posts we make on the forum [10:27:56] is/it [10:28:48] If I upload a mod to Spacedock or wherever, and then open up a forum thread about that mod, I have submitted only the text in that thread [10:29:40] Now if they provided a mod-hosting service, I would be more concerned. But as it is, I think we have little to worry about. [10:29:44] So in that case they can still do their stuff on GitHub. That makes their reason for going on hiatus a bit strange albeit understandable. [10:30:06] Yeah you're right. Thanks for the clarification [10:30:51] kakakakak, well, to be fair, the EULA and the ToS are essentially a cut/paste from elsewhere and not tailored to this community, so it's only to be expected that there will be a lot of confusion. [10:31:59] Since nobody official has said anything about it, I can understand that some people are upset about the wording of certain sections. [10:32:28] Oh, he's gone [10:52:34] my grandma got me somec heapo camera [10:52:39] she got from club jesus [11:00:31] https://78.media.tumblr.com/cc7462b05bf4977b3315652cd03b834b/tumblr_nz6cykAJ0X1qjnhqgo1_540.jpg [11:01:03] lolhttps://imgur.com/Jcr3wTL [11:01:03] https://i.imgur.com/Jcr3wTL.jpg [11:01:21] lmao [11:01:46] what are the missing characters around harm? [11:03:57] https://78.media.tumblr.com/7c4a52fc04047f217b07b2a8a07e9db9/tumblr_p7cv8bBJjb1wyqriuo8_540.jpg [11:04:38] cats are liquid [11:04:46] ye [11:05:37] Althego, snow? [11:06:08] what snow [11:06:25] lol [11:06:27] my bad [11:07:53] https://78.media.tumblr.com/7e364d6398bbca18af8381c7b86d5bee/tumblr_p1n262nr8R1r846jso1_540.jpg [11:11:19] Althego, Harmons [11:11:40] what, where, who? [11:12:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/436121799403503617/DSC_8768.JPG [11:56:42] https://youtu.be/fPWZHH067zY [11:56:42] YouTube - crapcorder test [12:07:36] That's crappy.! [12:09:29] yeah [12:09:35] so I will use it as a suicide cam [12:12:13] hrhr [12:15:13] it does have a analog videou output [12:15:25] this is totally outdated but I can use it [12:15:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:18:30] I can probably hack some fpv transmitter in there [12:18:40] it weights nothign so I guess it is mostly empty [14:51:56] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:54:32] https://m.xkcd.com/1982/ [14:57:03] have you tried opening a banana from the other end though? [14:58:39] I did. I have no real good opinion on the topic [14:59:53] now... if you ask my opinion on the other subject on that xkcd... [15:00:01] ...I have strong opinions :D [15:00:24] which other end? [15:00:31] which is one end and which is the other? [15:01:33] Althego: 'yes' [15:01:38] hehe [15:05:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:10:44] Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_Lkq0O9is [15:10:44] YouTube - Ratchet Marble Lifting System - Marble Machine X #32 [15:15:37] how many ends does a banana have? [15:16:07] it depends on how many you count. you can count the temporal ends too [15:20:30] hehe starts playing a tune on the springs [15:21:12] Clealy the end of a banana is a punchline [15:21:31] as i said, itt depends on how many you want [15:22:21] We've gone bananas! [15:22:39] bot not into plaid [15:39:26] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/u5CaDdSs/image.JPG GINeral Kinobi! [15:40:26] What are the 2 Kanji? [15:41:19] 'Ki' & 'Bi', I know... but what does it mean? [15:41:26] ve2dmn: Ki (no) bi [15:41:29] Oh [15:42:31] wait, alcohol consumption is an allowed topic? [15:43:03] Mat2ch I think Martin actually has some problem [15:43:10] he can't not do music with stuff [15:43:15] hehe [15:43:19] thought the same. :D [15:43:24] c [M]: (n) season; season word or phrase (in haiku); (P) [15:43:25] also he's overbuilding stuff ;) [15:43:39] Ž [s]: (n,n-suf) beauty; (P) :: Ž []: (ateji) (pref) (1) beautiful [15:43:42] ve2dmn: sorry. Was alighting the train [15:43:45] didn't think I would hear a plexiglass and spring cover of RATM today [15:43:54] Althego: thanks [15:43:55] Anyway, season and the second is tree [15:43:56] i needed to find the characters on the horrible webpage [15:44:09] Althego: If you show me who mentioned alcohol consumption in a way that makes you think it is an allowed topic... ;-) [15:44:16] I know what n [15:44:30] tbh the ratcheting lift is probably the most compact and efficient so far [15:44:38] this is alcohol intended for human consuption [15:44:46] and plenty of lego ones too [15:45:10] Althego: nah it's Gen. Grievous 's [15:45:22] He isn't human [15:46:08] ki(no) no (ta)bi :) [15:46:32] good old stuff [15:46:38] it doesn't need two pistons however, a single moving side is enough [15:46:58] peace tons :) [15:47:33] I still have trouble discerning between 'biru' and 'bi-ru' in Japanese [15:48:24] luckely one is usually in Katakana while the other is not [15:49:22] ve2dmn: should tell taniwha that [15:49:30] Mr Beer Curry [15:50:16] I miss Japanese curry [15:50:51] hmm, 2 rockete launches in an hour (6 hours from now) [15:51:26] I always watch rockete launches [15:51:38] just random tyopo [15:51:41] see? [15:52:04] Understandableb [15:52:14] https://78.media.tumblr.com/a4e5801ab0fdbb2b89af2b8880c90165/tumblr_p1omf4V1JZ1woyeado2_400.jpg [15:52:21] lol [15:52:48] why is it not flying? but how did it get into the air then? [15:52:49] Fluburtur: Looks like your planes [15:53:04] must be working on a lifting body basis [15:53:05] No, j/k [15:53:35] Seaguloon [15:53:38] quite similar https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/X24.jpg [15:56:53] Regarding thrust curves, is it exceptionally costly to have many data points? [15:57:44] nothing is costly in ksp :) [15:58:25] as in, https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealismOverhaul/blob/808db33c701aa5b5d7bafc0e41ab6305a472fc7d/GameData/RealismOverhaul/Engine_Configs/Castor_30XL_Config.cfg#L36 [15:58:25] Not even rocketes. :P [15:59:23] but why would you want so many? they are automatically smoothed and interpolated [15:59:56] more data point == more science? [16:00:06] not in this case [16:00:18] you cane come up with a reasonabler approximation with relatively few points [16:00:33] anless it is a really spiky function, which is not realistic for this [16:00:44] I know about smoothing and interpolation, and how fewer points could make do. [16:01:10] i dont know how unity handles them [16:01:13] What I'd like to know is, should I even bother? [16:01:43] but if it is not completely messed up, this should only cause some minor memory overhead [16:03:18] Well, I'm not going to spend an afternoon's work on 30kB. So that's settled. [16:03:30] Thanks. [16:04:24] guess who crashed on the first flight https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/436194693949292545/DSC_8778.JPG [16:04:33] heh [16:04:50] Nintendo Labo is 'soon'... I'm very curious to try it, even I don't think I'll pay that much for cardboard [16:04:59] and as tradition goes, you didnt retract landing gear (not that you could) [16:05:15] i dont know if this works https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/112317-12x-amazing-curve-editor-111-dec-20th/ [16:09:37] https://youtu.be/sJiKa3aVHFk [16:09:37] YouTube - best entrance [16:12:05] i expected some grand entrance [16:12:18] isn't it the case [16:12:20] schnobs: Could just convert the data to a csv with a script, input it to any plotter and then pick some points from places where they look necessary? [16:14:49] APlayer: this being RO, I guess that the data as it is has been lifted from some datasheet. Besides coming up with a plot that resembles it, I'd have to provide a justification why "my" plot should be used instead of the reality-based one. [16:15:00] https://youtu.be/7kcJYKOHdhY [16:15:01] YouTube - grade A crash [16:15:34] APlayer: If there's no severe memory or CPU cost, I'd rather leave it as is and turn my efforts elsewhere. [16:15:43] schnobs: Because it would work just as well, but be less clutter-y [16:15:43] because it is simpler and close enough. good enough for simulation, not to mention for a game [16:18:48] Althego: in RO, "accurate" is a lot more important than "good enough". [16:19:07] you do know this doesnt really make it more accurate [16:19:17] in fact it may be less accurate because of the curve interpolation [16:20:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:21:09] if this curve is reasonably smooth, what i think it is, it can be represented by a lot less points [16:21:23] many points would really matter in case of linear interpolation [16:22:15] Althego what did you say about the gears https://youtu.be/Hje9yZKHxfE [16:22:15] YouTube - how to rip off gears [16:22:46] traditionally airplanes do not retract their landing gears on the first flight [16:22:55] i suspect you need more struts :) [16:23:46] I think it was too back heavy [16:24:13] Althego: As I understand unity curves, they will go *through* every given point. Giving it 100-200 data points leaves so little wiggle room that the result closely resembles linear interpolation. [16:24:42] (Didn't know about Sarbian's mod though, will be interesting to viualize it) [16:26:04] hah, systematic classification of life ep 26 [16:47:25] Action: UmbralRaptop pokes McKaby`` with a cat-3 cable. [16:48:10] !tell scolar_visari Omuamua: probably rapidly spinning instead of an alien fire extinguisher. https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03471 [16:48:19] ;tell scolar_visari Omuamua: probably rapidly spinning instead of an alien fire extinguisher. https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03471 [16:48:19] UmbralRaptop: I'll let scolar_visari know when I see them [16:48:22] It's my ISP, I am on the phone, seems to be a very hard to pin don bug [16:48:44] Ah. [17:02:27] still batter than poking with a category 5 hurricane [17:04:14] so maybe it is not cigar shaped [17:19:28] I think I messed up the esc programming of my heli [17:19:35] the motor is starting too fast [17:20:21] That sounds strangely familiar [17:25:50] actually I could use the crapcorder as a prop and to record behind the scenes of the movies we make with my cousins [17:26:05] we usually used a crappy camera to do that anyways [17:26:26] Fluburtur, so in this case 'esc' means that it's trying to escape :P [17:26:39] idk https://youtu.be/ILDhtfocwVc [17:26:39] YouTube - heli sound [17:30:55] ESC = Escape Sequence Command [17:33:48] and here i was thinking "Eurovision Song Contest" [17:34:23] i thought it was working like a terminal and using escape sequences :) [17:34:57] https://i.imgur.com/qoAkHUe.jpg [17:35:04] oh that brings back memories of playing in the dos prompt with ansi codes [17:35:17] #StuffRedditSays: "Maybe science is looking in all the wrong places for dark matter, turns out it's love holding the galaxies together." [17:35:46] Althego: i'm not sure that is how it was intended :p [17:37:07] it is called grounding or earthing [17:38:17] yes [17:38:38] i recognize that joke with "earth" :p [17:38:44] i need Kerbal Joint Reinforcement for KSP 1.4!!!! [17:38:56] Althego: Sinking. It's a sink for electrons. [17:39:06] hey, shouldnt 1.4.3 have happened this week? [17:39:19] Guest02104: Have you looked for it yet? [17:40:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:41:49] yes, i don´t find sorry i´m spanish, [17:41:49] My english is very poor [17:44:46] Guest02104: No worries, we're here to help. :-) Have a look at this: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/50911-13-kerbal-joint-reinforcement-v333-72417/&page=86&tab=comments#comment-3349642 [17:45:02] If you need help, feel free to ask here. [17:47:42] thank you thank you very much [17:48:09] Perfect [17:51:58] ve2dmn: https://i.imgur.com/Fwc15a0.jpg [17:53:01] APlayer thank you. [17:53:16] Guest02104: Does it work? [17:54:19] Alright then [17:54:22] >_< [17:56:11] apparently I can use the crapcorder as a webcam with the usb cable [17:56:16] wonder how much that doesn't work [17:57:15] I'm going to try now [18:03:01] it works perfectly [18:03:25] thank you APlayer [18:03:46] Glad it does. You're welcome! :-) [18:05:35] goodbye, I'll play until the PC burns [18:06:28] ... see you in 1600+h [18:06:42] jajajajajaja [18:06:58] I have 1700h in KSP :D [18:14:05] i have recalled finding this. Fluburtur just look at this http://finemolds.co.jp/iroiro/FP1.html [18:15:01] uh [18:43:45] Woohoo, only 80 km to the KSC after my test voyage. Boat to the Antarctic and back again without refuelling. I think I'll make it with a comfortable margin [18:44:01] Deddly: boat? [18:44:14] oren, yup [18:44:20] nice [18:44:23] oren, jet-powered boat [18:45:25] This was just a range test, really. Now I know it works I can use it to transport base components [18:45:46] It's not a fast method, though... [18:46:03] This mission has taken a total of 9 hours 20 minutes of real time [18:46:34] Deddly complete my challenge now [18:46:44] Fluburtur, not nearly enough range [18:47:11] https://imgur.com/rQ9abhb [18:47:11] https://i.imgur.com/rQ9abhb.png [18:47:13] I will have to make a considerably larger craft for that [18:47:37] Nice picture there, Althego [18:47:43] not mine [18:48:02] Looks like an inflatable module in the middle there [18:48:09] Like a Bigelow [18:48:20] Deddly: I think it's a fuel tank [18:48:23] somewhat polygonal [18:48:25] Ah [18:48:37] if only ksp had this kind of graphics [18:48:57] for one i really miss the realistic eclipse lighting [18:49:09] At least it CAN have those graphics if modded [18:49:28] I personally enjoy the cartoon style [18:49:41] Not that I would object to realistic visual [18:49:42] s [18:50:13] Deddly: my craft don't tend to be very realistic anywya [18:51:17] king of the day is still this guy https://imgur.com/Jcr3wTL [18:51:18] https://i.imgur.com/Jcr3wTL.jpg [18:51:44] Yeah [18:52:49] for starters, I've never seen a real space program propose the sort of puller designs I often build [18:53:07] because they dont help at all [18:53:27] and probably not a good idea to bath in your own exhaust [18:54:59] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Da2dTRMVAAAjZPj.jpg:large [18:55:08] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbA0GKIVAAA_Jx_.jpg:large [18:55:08] Althego: and real docking ports probably can't sustain long periods of stretching [18:55:13] cubic feet lol [18:55:47] Soi I bought this new Aloe Vera juice drink with pulp in it...It's REALLY good...bit it kinda feels like you're drinking a jellyfish. [18:56:38] I've tried that [18:56:39] jellyfish are mostly water [18:56:59] And nobody in real life would ever relocate the ISS to mars orbit for use as a martian space station [18:57:04] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DayicNOUMAAS8Er.jpg:large [18:57:49] Fluburtur, have you calculated how many km that challenge is? [18:57:56] no [18:58:04] probably over 10k [18:58:19] my sub was nice but needed to refuel often [18:58:20] What challenge? [18:58:24] I'd be very interested in an estimation [18:58:33] the submarine one [18:58:56] oren, imagine the longest sea route to explore Kerbin... [18:59:30] mine is just the casual coast following with occasional deep sea sailing [19:00:05] Land ho! [19:00:41] hmm I did have the idea of doing a river cruise once, on the long river [19:01:05] I think my next rocket design will try the middle ground between puller and pusher... like planes: engines on wings [19:02:45] on the west continent north of the desert there's a really long river like the danube or something [19:03:05] It's a shame the water doesn't flow [19:03:52] even passes between two mountain ranges like the danube [19:03:56] Yeah, I made it all the way back with 8400 units of fuel remaining [19:03:57] oren: Danube - Sandstorm [19:04:01] Woo! [19:05:23] there's also the large inland sea on the east continent, which has a fjord in it [19:05:49] I assume I'm three hours late to the party but https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/04/russia-appears-to-have-surrendered-to-spacex-in-the-global-launch-market/ [19:07:48] I should come up with a better map of kerbin [19:08:33] the maps on the wiki aren't great [19:09:05] We'll gladly accept better ones. [19:09:57] I'm just sad the ice shelves are solid all the way to the ocean floor, so you can't dive under them [19:10:00] engines in the middle, so you want to build skylon. which is al ogical choice, that is why it was designed that way (com movement vs aero) [19:10:27] Deddly: you need a make a mod then! [19:10:58] yes you can see in the list that how many spacex launches are there, and i felt that it is about the same as the others combined [19:11:31] Althego: One of my other design was a puller with a 'detachable' smaller pusher that could land and dock back [19:11:42] hehe payload manufacturing is where the good money is he says [19:12:02] until elon thinnks of that and revolutionizes that too [19:13:18] hehe muskwatch... one guy has am ononoke hime t-short and the other one has a pickle rick [19:13:54] Althego: That was a good movie [19:15:13] Can I see your map again, Fluburtur? [19:15:45] Althego: Did you ever see the documentary 'The kingdom of madness and dreams'? [19:15:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/435387218442321930/bordel2.png [19:15:56] probablu not [19:16:26] Fluburtur, thanks [19:16:26] It's about Ghibli. TL;DR: cigarettes everywhere. [19:16:42] I've only seen Frenchmen smoke more [19:17:06] aha, you found undereciver frenchmen :) [19:17:13] Fluburtur, the idea was to stay within view of the shore, was it? [19:17:31] nah just submarine around kerbin [19:17:42] it the area under the desert you can't see any shore [19:18:22] OK so an approximate route, then [19:18:41] Do you know this moment when you coded 200 lines without bug-testing in between, and while it compiles and you fix the syntax errors, you just pray it works? [19:18:47] Fluburtur, and the bit far north - around that island. Not all the way to the ice cap? [19:19:02] idk do it like you want [19:19:09] Althego: I was actually suprised at the smoking rates across Europe and Japan. I'm used to much, much lower [19:19:14] wait, can you go under thr ice? [19:19:22] Althego, no :( [19:19:36] hah, no nemo adventures for us [19:20:26] where is point nemo in kerbin? [19:20:45] I't's imposiible to go all the way around kerbin underwater [19:21:08] Or on the water, for that matter [19:21:26] Unless you count ice as water [19:21:42] you have to do a portage across part of the east continent [19:22:05] I might actually almost have the range on this thing for a circumnavigation [19:22:22] But not at maximum speed [19:22:48] ludicrous speed, go! [19:23:42] I just went KSC southern ice cap -> KSC at full speed, with 10% fuel remaining at the end of the voyage [19:23:55] watch the tess launch for me, i can watch it in around 9.5 hours [19:24:04] Speed varied between 45-60 m/s depending on fuel level [19:24:55] I guess you could build some sort of ore-weighted rover to pick up your boat and carry it from one side to the other and boat the enire rest of the circumnavigation [19:25:23] oren, or just keep the wheels you use to get the boat to the sea in the first place [19:25:26] oren: put wheels on boat. retract when in water [19:25:50] you need wheels anyway because there is no spaceboad pier in ksc [19:25:54] *boat [19:25:57] Almost every boat in KSP is actually an amphibious vehicle [19:26:01] :3 [19:26:15] there are two places you can portage though. you can portage in the north or the south [19:26:17] also good idea for mining [19:26:48] this reminds me of the first time i saw the cybran destroyers climb out of the water :) [19:27:24] Landboat [19:27:59] southern portage is less distace overland, but north one has less hills [19:28:12] https://youtu.be/WmYAycFZLx0?t=114 [19:28:18] and results in a shorter overall trip [19:28:37] oren, the official Elcano challenge required the northern route [19:29:36] oren, the northern route seems the shortest land distance to me, especially if you go through the lakes [19:29:55] APlayer: only 200? [19:29:57] oren, and remember the map projection makes it look longer than it is [19:30:19] bees: My error-to-line ratio is rather poos [19:30:23] poor* [19:30:27] :( [19:31:01] Deddly: oh right [19:31:11] map projection, blast [19:31:55] Kerbin is flat! donot listen to the lies of the KSC! [19:34:06] They just did a clever trick where they mapped the heighmap onto a sphere! [19:34:43] Hey! The EULA doesn't allow you to reveal that! [19:34:53] You're gonna get sued! [19:34:58] damn... [19:35:14] ...forget I said anything [19:35:36] can i get mary sued? :) [19:44:43] ..... anyone come across a tourist contract where you have to make them pass out from high-g's? o_O; [19:46:29] http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/12/technology/robots-rights-experts-warn-europe/index.html?sr=twCNN041318robots-rights-experts-warn-europe0212PMStory [19:46:30] wat [19:48:33] :3 [19:49:04] Kerbal G tolerances.... [19:49:15] ok well according to my settings, its set to 'standard' (1) [19:52:48] JCB, I've never had the contract, but I have heard of it, yes [19:53:11] It was included as a bit of a surprise when the possibility of passing out was first added [19:53:19] first time.. then again, I forgot I had g-tolerance setting turned on.. [19:53:51] tourist contracts? [19:53:54] It's a rare contract, I believe [19:53:57] wondering what the average level of gs was, just this stupid idea of killing the kerbal just from too high g-force. [19:54:16] "just" lol [19:54:55] JCB, as I recall, pilots can withstand much higher G forces than scientists or engineers. Tourists are the most frail [19:55:49] JCB, you're not killing the kerbal - you are giving it an extreme ride in which is passes out [19:55:55] ^this is correct [19:56:11] it* [19:56:39] er, the varying G-tolerance. [19:56:49] Not sure if you can kill. [19:57:09] I kind of figured you not killing them... why I said 'stupid idea'... mostly wondered if it was even possible, short of slamming them into the ground [19:57:30] Oh it's definitely possible [19:57:46] not exactly the type to turn kerbals into 'fodder' as it were :P [19:57:49] JCB AFAIK it's only difficult if it's in space [19:58:41] Oh I misunderstood the question. I meant the contract is possible [19:58:50] things with big wings, you hit so much as the air the wrong way, boom. Yet, I can pull something like 45+ gs in craft with little wings.. go fig [19:59:34] just this idea of a pod with many boosters waiting to launch a pair of tourists up [20:01:31] oh wait... g tolerance meter.. [20:01:50] Not boosters [20:01:52] welp... 18gs not enough for jeb [20:01:54] Over-G a plane [20:02:24] That is, speed up to Mach 0.5 or so and then suddenly pitch up/down [20:02:37] JCB: turn a plane sideways at mach 7 [20:02:49] Well, that's usually high quality fireworks [20:03:08] I did the mistake of accidentally hitting a while at Mach 4 with FAR enabled [20:03:19] "A" as in the A-key [20:03:30] I know how to pull g's in a plane [20:03:49] just those mega wings tend to be a pain sometimes if not struted [20:04:14] It's easier than boosters [20:04:22] mind you, not usually using them on super large supersonic planes... [20:04:35] you can make a plane fly really well once you've covered it in ramjets and struts [20:06:01] lol... forget flying really well, I've had planes explode from over heating [20:06:47] that reminds me I should add some ramjets to my wingless ssto to see if it helps with payload [20:07:07] I did somewhat wingless SSTO plane thing.. 'Flapjack' [21:01:55] Yess! Gravity now /does/ work for this drone. :D [21:02:54] Well. you should make an attempt to make gravity work... [21:02:56] it's the law. [21:03:11] It's the vector maths, more like [21:17:37] https://i.gyazo.com/96cd07214d3c6398b9c11a2ef6206529.png - Trying to make a rocket plane for Eve that has somewhat of a good range [21:19:35] Draconiator: That's literally what real rockets are... just change the color of the fuel tank. [21:20:45] Aww... the Proton M that is being launched in ~51 minutes is a classified defense satellite. [21:21:05] The Falcon 9 that is going up in 90 minutes will be streamed though... [21:40:27] be sure to send the links [21:48:35] hii [21:52:41] does the briz upper stage really fail as often as it sounds? [21:57:29] any livestream of the proton? [22:21:24] ... [22:23:02] GurrenLagannCWP: live in 30min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-0uBIYYKk [22:23:03] YouTube - TESS Mission [22:23:40] YAAAAAAAY [22:23:45] nice [22:24:29] My university has an exoplanet group which are pretty excited about this :D [22:25:07] 26 mins [22:25:16] HYPE [22:25:52] lol... I should install this: https://github.com/Belar/space-cli [22:26:04] http://i.imgur.com/5PDLkV4.jpg [22:27:00] 24 mins [22:27:12] hypeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [22:27:13] it's just a rocket launch [22:27:17] with a tiny sat [22:27:21] TESSSSSSSSS it's about time we get "Kepler 2" up there. [22:27:28] proton launch confirmed [22:27:30] successful [22:27:30] at least they could have ordered a smaller fairing [22:27:31] hype level = OVER 9,000,000,000 [22:27:33] unfortunately [22:27:36] to get more dv [22:27:52] Fluburtur: they dont need more dV tho... [22:27:58] shhhhh [22:28:09] did they retire Kepler? [22:28:10] that big empty fairing looks stupid [22:28:10] Fluburtur: also its tiny but its going far [22:28:19] Fluburtur: no, u do [22:28:31] Fluburtur, its a big one, the launch of TESS [22:28:40] eh [22:28:43] JWST > TESS > Kepler [22:28:44] not that big [22:28:48] lolno [22:28:55] yes [22:28:57] no [22:29:05] Kepler>TESS [22:29:13] TESS will always be > Kepler [22:29:23] np [22:29:24] no [22:29:33] tess is only better at finding exoplanets [22:29:45] because it was designed for it while kepler wasnt [22:29:54] SYSTEM NOTICE: The NASA Exoplanet Archive will be unavailable on Thursday, April 19 from 10:30am-12:30pm PDT. [22:30:17] why this needs to happen OVER 9000 times [22:31:01] 20 mins [22:31:09] how old are you [22:31:45] yes of ages. [22:32:00] gtg [22:32:05] uh I need to design myself a small compressed air engine [22:32:14] that runs on my airbrush compressor [22:32:35] use your gaming computer to print one. [22:32:42] yeah that's the plan [22:32:46] it's starting [22:33:07] My parents are in Florida, around Tampa Bay. they might see this. [22:33:09] They have the logo+music going [22:33:19] Draconiator call them [22:33:24] tell them to look [22:34:23] I also need to make some mk3 nozzles and test them [22:35:26] back [22:35:32] LETS ALL REACT [22:35:53] Action: KrazyKrl is not hypergolic [22:36:01] land Falcon 9s first stage on the Of Course I Still Love You droneship [22:36:07] Action: GurrenLagannTSS laughs [22:36:27] great musk, your jokes are amazing [22:36:36] i mean [22:36:36] Dad says what time is the launch [22:36:38] Of Course I Still Love You droneship [22:36:41] haha [22:37:15] GurrenLagannCWP: I'm guessing you don't get the reference... [22:37:17] 39147 people watching [22:37:36] ve2dmn, What reference [22:38:04] see [22:38:08] "'Just Read the Instructions' and 'Of Course I Still Love You' are two of the sentient, planet-sized Culture starships which first appear in Banks' 'The Player of Games,'" [22:38:19] oh [22:39:03] I sure hope one of them will be named "Boaty McLandonmyface" [22:39:14] om [22:39:19] it started [22:39:22] YAAAY [22:39:40] 12 mins [22:39:50] wew [22:39:54] we can read [22:41:06] KrazyKrl: I had to admit, I laughed really loud at that remark [22:42:06] That's a good name. [22:42:24] I LET THEM KNOW, hopefully they'll be able to see it. Cape Canaveral is around ESE from where they are. [22:42:35] 9 mins [22:42:38] hype [22:43:27] just my name was wrong [22:44:03] 70.2k people watching [22:44:06] great [22:44:19] now we know why chat is disabled [22:46:02] "ingesting TESS" well I hope not [22:46:32] 80k [22:46:40] 5 mins [22:46:42] hype [22:48:48] What will my parents be able to see from halfway across the state? [22:49:05] contrail probably [22:49:17] no [22:49:29] bright dot with condensation behind it [22:49:30] watch on yt [22:49:36] not that bright actually [22:49:40] calm down dude [22:49:46] 2 MINS [22:50:37] 1 min [22:51:14] GurrenLagannTSS: stop [22:51:32] :( [22:55:24] time for toasty waffle iron [22:55:35] Well that sucks balls...called them back and they said they didn't see it. [23:00:08] Correction, they DID see it, said it looks like an oddly shaped contrail. [23:00:10] that landing video feed was almost perfect [23:04:52] I think I will go to bed now [23:05:00] too bad they didn't sink the boat [23:10:17] 12.1 × 3.9 × 4.9 ft - TESS could fit in my pool, hehe [23:18:04] https://i.gyazo.com/835b6e36709b46441e14da82e9c110b9.png - Eve plane works, hate the range but eh what can ya do :P [23:20:11] I was watching the stream earlier and I was wondering what were the flash you could see when the camera was filming the engine... sun reflection? [23:22:41] it was the camera crew on a parallel trajectory snapping pictures for the biweekly newsletter [23:23:50] nice [23:24:26] well... space has been spaced [23:37:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net