[00:01:32] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:01:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:59:18] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:59:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:22:48] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:46:48] starting tomorrow morning there be 5 launches in a 24 hour period [02:46:55] or there are 5 planned [03:00:31] source? [03:12:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:12:52] https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob1/status/1073925450345402369 [05:12:52] <_youhadonejob1> When engineers get bored. https://t.co/gUh641da3z [05:39:42] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:26:04] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [07:26:04] https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1074829856481792000 [07:26:05] <NASAInSight> Easy does it... Î Î Who knew that practicing the claw game would come in handy for exploring #Mars? Ive got a grip on& https://t.co/d7sKOEcaw7 [07:31:06] i thought it would be hardeer to aim with only one camera [07:32:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:12:14] make an experiment: close your eyes, and try to grab your nose. how hard was it to aim with no "camera"? [08:13:10] (hint: you're probably using more sensors than just cameras) [08:24:12] i know about that. and i know how robots work. technically it could do it completely blindly. but then why have the camera? [08:27:06] to make pretty pictures for twitter [08:27:12] hehe [08:31:14] also, if you can move the camera, and the object doesn't move, you can use one camera to triangulate the position of the object [08:37:44] but they didnt do that [09:04:02] hehe scott noticed that there are some launches today [09:04:09] i thought there are 3 [09:08:34] ah blue origin, that is only suborbital [09:12:31] and nrol is already wednesday for me, so i can watch that from replay [09:26:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:20:12] woo, rocket tuseday. [11:21:16] 2 hours till spacex goes live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtpVS0xM1c [11:21:16] YouTube - GPS III SV01 Mission [11:21:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/524546508062982144/48382645_1153741004780875_1879346975694913536_n.png [11:22:07] hehehe [11:22:13] got what they deserved [11:24:41] probably closer to 3 hours [11:24:58] maybe stream starts in 2.5 [11:38:12] Launch preamble probalby goes for a bit [11:38:53] Fluburtur maybe a higher up at Bethesda was hired by secretly hired by Obsidian to pave the way for them :D [11:40:32] lastMessage.stringReplace(first instance of "hired by" with "") [11:48:40] hehehe https://youtu.be/pERkreqCKrM [11:48:40] YouTube - 20181213121841 674 [11:52:45] wonder how long before flatspaceship idea comes up :P [11:53:19] well there is the mad mike hughes who built a rocket to test flat earth [11:53:39] yeah he got hurt sint it [11:53:49] and didnt go too high up [11:53:53] but maybe the next one [11:54:58] haha the laugh https://coub.com/view/1jzaee [11:55:59] Yeah, that steam rocket? [11:56:03] that [11:56:04] Instead of a hot air balloon? [11:56:09] How did he get hurt? [11:56:10] or a small airplane [11:56:22] Yeah, a Cessna 172 flies higher. [11:56:25] obviouskly [11:56:30] costs lot less [11:56:38] He's clearly not smart. [11:56:52] or he is. what if he just used flat earth to collect money [11:57:28] He wouldn't have gotten hurt. [11:57:51] He wouldn't have used steam. [11:57:58] He wouldn't have launched at a 45 degree angle. [11:59:03] 45 degree launch angle is for max horizontal distance. [11:59:35] Depending on initial launch velocity and size of the spherical object you are launching from you may get more distance from more or less angle since we aren't dealing with a flat surface, but rather orbits. [12:00:11] lol there is a 3 minute version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j52odgkRxDs [12:00:11] YouTube - Blonde woman tries to fill up a Tesla Model S with gas [12:00:28] The higher the velocity at launch, the flatter you want your trajectory. If you were firing an object at 9 km/s you'd want a 0 degree luanch angle, ignoring atmosphere of course. [12:00:55] You would do a circumnavigation of the earth, launching at 0 degrees, at 9 km/s. [12:01:07] You would impact the luanch site from the other side. [12:01:27] At 45 degree angle at 9 km/s you would impact somewhere 90% around the earth. [12:01:32] Something like that. [12:01:40] Maybe 75% [12:02:10] I should totally boot up KSP, set atmosphere to zero resistance and test this. [12:02:22] Cause I have a basic orbital simulator. [12:02:26] On my computer. [12:03:51] Huh..... exactly 75% across the surface of the earth if you launched at 9km/s at 45 degree angle. [12:04:14] There has got to be some neat math behind that. Launch angle to circumnavigation graph. [12:04:19] Probably a sine wave? [12:05:00] At 0 you get 0% orbit. at 45 you get 75%. At 0 you get 100% orbit. [12:08:14] It's not 75%. I'm wrong. [12:09:14] Anyone got web based orbit simulator where I can set velocities and launch angles from earth? [12:12:46] Action: UmbralRaptor has a feeling that this would involve annoying numeric bits. [12:14:02] my math comes out to somewhere between zero and infinity velocities. [12:14:09] hehe [12:14:21] how about the negative and complex values? [12:14:58] if you're going at negative launch velocity, you will not go to space today. [12:15:55] programmer answers to velocity: 0 1 pos-infinity 182717239171 -1 "lol" [12:16:13] its 5 launch Tuesday everyone [12:16:14] You guys would like having a little Unity player orbit sim, wouldn't you? [12:16:16] actually velocity would be a vector, and speed is a scalar [12:16:19] get hype [12:16:24] GET [12:16:26] HYPE [12:16:29] no [12:16:36] yes [12:16:52] 5? [12:16:59] you cant even fit 3 in it [12:17:05] 5 launches in the next 24 hours [12:17:08] way in wednesday with the delta [12:17:10] 22.5 really [12:17:13] no [12:17:17] not in america [12:17:20] Just a neat gadget with a few sliders like launch angle, velocity, body mass, body radius. It would animate the orbit, show if it impacts or escapes, have presets for the planetary bodies of sol system. [12:17:32] PSLV is the only one happening in Wednesday in america [12:17:35] oops forgot one answer: NaN [12:17:38] and if you are hawaiian? [12:17:44] all launches are on turesday [12:17:47] Tuesday [12:18:01] is this a webcomic? updates on tuesdays [12:18:09] 5 launch tuesdayyyyyy [12:19:36] 5 launches in a 20.5 hours period [12:19:39] so exciting [12:19:57] why are you here, nobody mentioned a museum [12:20:16] it is actually a plane mausoleum :) [12:20:47] I mean... giraffes are now an endangered species... so that's kinda not cool i guess. [12:21:23] I expect updates and links to technical webcasts. [12:21:31] because its 5 launch tuesday [12:21:31] cause I love hearing them controllers talk. [12:21:35] Mmmmm sweet molassis. [12:23:00] I mean... you could always listen to webradio of ATC (or setup a reciever yourself) [12:23:30] cant be that hard, these are normal analog communications [12:23:57] well, they also have some OOB data communications. [12:24:06] I also don't need announcers telling me what is going on. I like the technical side of launches. [12:24:37] why would you want technical webcast for the ariane launch [12:24:41] I also would love a KER readout for each launch. [12:24:44] its just a bunch of french [12:24:46] disgusting [12:24:49] oh, I guess. [12:25:19] and then Stephane Israel gets on and stumbles his way through english with that accent [12:26:19] who is that [12:28:01] spacex launch is not that interesting this time as it is in expendable mode [12:28:18] aside from the, ya know, going to space thing. [12:31:17] still, they better make this work for the military payload [12:36:40] Oh, is it military? [12:36:43] gps [12:41:21] like confidential or not? [12:41:46] as always, both? [12:45:12] Bllaank: its GPS so their shouldnt be a video cut after fairing sep [12:45:41] Althego: Stephane Israel is the CEO of Arianespace and is accent is nothing short of offensive [12:49:14] Althego: if there was a language police he would be arrested [12:49:16] https://youtu.be/hgD4veH9SaY [12:49:17] YouTube - Stephane Israel - Future Investment Initiative #FII2017 [12:49:41] not so bad [12:50:16] Althego: give it 10 seconds, it gets worse [12:50:32] he tries for 10 seconds and then it all falls to crap [12:52:17] time to go biking a bit [12:55:11] what, you choose the bike to go over and kill rokker? [12:55:57] I even know frenchmen who had his accent [12:56:10] like loitho wherever he went. [12:59:43] crap [12:59:48] france delayed [12:59:57] it's not 5 launches in a 26 hour period [12:59:59] now* [13:00:15] I'm not sure why people even try to hide sat orbits. It's not that hard to figure out where an orbit goes. [13:00:48] And right after that satalite launches there is this mysterious unidentified sattellite in an orbit where nothing was before. Gee, I wonder what it could be. [13:01:50] Any military launch is typically posted on an ameture satellite spotter forum 48 hours later with it's exact orbit. [13:02:03] it's not hiding the orbit [13:02:19] Hiding what the sat looks like? [13:02:37] that's a big part of it yes [13:02:47] avoid showing the satellite even accidentally [13:02:54] fair enough. [13:03:15] What kind of resolution do ground based telescopes have on sats in oribt? [13:03:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:04:07] not very [13:05:00] Bllaank: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aU221Hdk/spy-satellites.jpg [13:06:05] 10-20 cm range? [13:06:35] That scale can't be right. [13:06:44] The entire sat is 5 inches across. [13:06:58] 1" is inch. 1' is foot [13:07:52] I'm thinking its foot [13:08:01] That would be approximately correct scale. [13:08:16] So 4 cm per pixel abouts. [13:08:36] Also wonder what was looking at the sats. Like what class viewer. [13:09:12] or [13:09:22] it could be seconds? [13:09:38] arcseconds? [13:09:52] aye [13:10:05] afternoon. [13:10:08] that would make sense for a telescope like this [13:10:28] What telescope took those? [13:13:39] less than an hour [13:14:49] Bllaank: all he lists is a 10 inch telescope on a tracking mount [13:14:58] wow, that's tiny. [13:15:09] I expect a good one could get some nice images of sats then. [13:15:11] Althego: the frenchies might have pushed back their launch :( [13:15:31] idk [13:15:38] good, it is now in watchable time [13:15:48] it could come down to the tracking software Bllaank [13:16:12] oh wait, the delta was unwatchabkle [13:16:17] as expected, biking doesnt make my back feel any better [13:16:20] oh, delta isn't broadcast? [13:16:41] it is unwatchable because it is 3 in the morning [13:17:09] Bllaank: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uQ9gBvlr/lac5-06-07-25lr.jpg [13:17:27] I should cook more rockets [13:17:32] Bllaank: the only broadcast I'm not sure about is india [13:17:39] what is that, wild flock of satellites? [13:17:40] everyone else is streaming [13:17:54] its just one satellite [13:18:30] what a time to be alive, 4 rocket launches today [13:18:52] Malachite: 3 [13:19:00] france is being dumb [13:19:10] now imagine a time when it is as normal as airplane takeoffs [13:19:37] Malachite: its still 5 in a 26-27 hour period tho [13:20:52] Bllaank: http://www.tracking-station.de/images/images.html [13:22:02] Bllaank: this is how high tech you need to get for those pictures alone http://www.tracking-station.de/ts/station.html [13:23:06] Not amature but not top of the line, either. [13:23:25] I expect the US or china or russia have pretty darn good photos of spy sats. [13:23:27] SpaceX launch has been delayed to 9:34 [13:23:30] est [13:23:44] planet even have enough fuel to sustain 5 rocket launches a day, for a whole year? [13:23:50] I doubt they are amazing [13:23:59] rockets dont use much fuel [13:24:06] especially not hydrolox [13:24:21] pretty renewable [13:25:14] Bllaank: it's definitely seconds https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mmUo6DdU/ralf-keyhole.jpg [13:25:20] stream shows within an hour [13:25:26] though there is also the hardware to consider... trying to turn around a spacex falcon in a day for another relaunch? 24 hours for rocket to go from landing to launch.. ouch [13:25:32] Althego: ok and? [13:25:43] I'm telling you it's been delayed until 9:34 [13:26:06] so they dont know when their own launch is lol [13:26:09] New Shepard will launch in 1 hour 4 minutes [13:26:19] SpaceX 4 minutes later [13:26:23] haha it has to be at the same time :) [13:26:30] Althego: the change just happened [13:26:32] dual streaming again [13:26:42] yes and the stream tiem changed too [13:26:44] but to 24 [13:26:47] probably typo [13:27:09] usually they set the stream time to the launch time, and then start earlier [13:29:19] the blue origin stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E-3Bk2wpxo [13:29:19] YouTube - Blue Origin NS-10 Live Webcast [13:34:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRRHk93lSa8&list=PLAd3NF1qMjHPRKQLa8fOB4fztKJm9CV3w&index=22 [13:34:26] YouTube - Kevin MacLeod ~ Sneaky Adventure [13:34:37] may sound familiar [13:34:46] hehe [13:35:30] currently listening to the mission control music :) [13:35:44] except for the main title all are free music [13:36:04] they could have hired somebody to make music already [13:36:24] but at this point these tunes are part of the game, so i wouldnt like to change them [13:36:30] yeah [13:36:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J5KvhYPNg&index=32&list=PLAd3NF1qMjHPRKQLa8fOB4fztKJm9CV3w [13:36:51] YouTube - Kevin MacLeod ~ Arcadia [13:36:57] still the best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QSux_LU2U [13:36:57] YouTube - Kerbal Space Program - Main Theme: 8-bit Style [13:37:01] may also sound familiar [13:37:16] yes you can hear these in random youtube videos [13:37:18] SOUNDS LIKE SPACE TO ME [13:37:24] and then it confuses you for a second [13:37:31] :D [13:39:55] at least finally virgin galactic is making progress too. such a shame that they took so long [13:41:06] You could fit basically the entire X-15 program between the X-Prize win and the present >_> [13:42:00] a moon race too [13:42:01] yeah [13:42:10] They did have a guy die during testing spaceship 2, you know. [13:42:16] i know [13:42:21] That kinda put things on hold for a bit. [13:42:26] s/a guy/four guys/ [13:42:30] but even before that they didnt progress at high speed [13:42:36] Ah, the ground testing. [13:42:43] yes soem died in engine explosions during ground testing [13:42:50] Well is Burt Rutan even in on this project? [13:42:52] I think he retired. [13:42:57] one died because of the activation of the feathring mechanism [13:43:13] I thought that was the death during bailout. [13:46:10] i dont remember bailout [13:47:08] aha, the aircraft disintegrated around the siebold, so he just needed to unstrap from the seat [13:48:22] otherwise it would have been impossible since at that altitude there is only a few seconds of consciousness [13:48:35] in case of a decompression [13:53:38] well [13:53:50] it's starting to look bad for SpaceX too [13:54:16] scott said the delta iv also has around 20% chancwe [13:54:35] delta iv prolly wont launch [13:54:49] 5 launch Tuesday may well become 1 launch tuesday [13:54:53] and 4 launch wednesday [13:55:09] suborbital tuesday :) [13:55:23] military wednesday? [13:58:26] military midweek? [14:00:50] blue origin stream did not start as planned [14:01:36] so ... nobody is launching today. [14:01:40] woo [14:01:50] you are not going to space today :) [14:04:18] well then.. [14:04:24] https://xkcd.com/1133/ [14:04:30] if this were a monday... that be excusable [14:04:51] ptach tuesday [14:05:03] but not even that [14:06:08] blue origin: We are scrubbing todays #NewShepard launch due to a ground infrastructure issue. The vehicle is in good standing. Stand by for updates as we see what weather looks like for tomorrow #NS10 [14:06:55] flying space car that has only ever gone to another world... well then [14:07:29] the quote is at the bottom [14:07:30] infrastructure issue huh? [14:07:50] spacex seems to be still trying [14:08:01] at least a tweet 2 minutes ago said so [14:09:43] EVERY SINGLE DAMN LAUNCH TODAY [14:09:46] COME ON [14:09:54] hehe [14:09:56] SpaceX hasnt cancelled yet but it will soon [14:10:07] delta iv didnt have good chances [14:12:52] tomorrow is my birthday, I dont have time to watch 5 launches god dammit [14:12:58] hehe [14:13:05] yes you have, just cancel the party :) [14:14:32] Well the cancellation stream is starting. [14:14:35] hahhaha [14:14:36] hehe [14:14:48] spacex fm (tm by scott) [14:14:52] oh, my game download is scrweing up buffering. [14:15:13] 10 MB/s is saturating my internet. [14:15:18] can't stream during this. [14:15:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:17:42] spacex stream is dying. [14:18:09] 144p and buffering [14:20:12] blue origin 20 min late. Spacex stream ded [14:20:28] hehe, it is like when i was watching the second mer landing on an 56k modem, and it was a tiny stamp sized video stream sometimes lagging for seconds [14:20:57] but the stream does soem soem problem [14:21:12] Oh my god, what is with this picture [14:21:21] 480p for me [14:21:26] downscaled itself [14:21:33] my auto picked 720. [14:21:39] 1080 [14:21:48] maybe it got better now [14:21:56] hehe no [14:22:09] why do they get random engineers on camera? [14:22:15] they started with this last time [14:22:23] at least i noticed it then [14:23:32] no technical webcast? [14:27:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:27:40] there it is [14:27:48] stopped at 7 minutes? [14:27:52] Ooooh, what if Blue Origin is delaying their test to overlap spacex's? [14:27:57] Althego: started what last time [14:28:14] That was an abort, not a hold. [14:28:28] they gave up on launching today [14:28:35] stopped at 7, reset to 15. [14:28:39] full abort? [14:28:57] They just fully fueled it. I guess it doesn't cost that much to fill and drain. [14:29:13] https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1075026214450954241 [14:29:13] <blueorigin> We are scrubbing todays #NewShepard launch due to a ground infrastructure issue. The vehicle is in good standing.& https://t.co/DXL2jvPDpL [14:29:19] full fuel costs ~$150,000 on a ~$60,000,000 vehicle. [14:29:49] wow, 2 for 2 scrubbed. [14:29:58] hehe and scrub [14:30:00] Well they can fuel then drain the falcon 9. [14:30:13] So they lose some LOX to boiloff, but otherwise recover most of it. [14:31:07] but jeb was not killed violently :) [14:31:25] damn [14:31:28] 2 for 2 [14:31:42] Rocket Tuesday was not to be. [14:31:51] and the nrol on the delta iv heavy is probably not launching because of the weather [14:32:03] I wanna see a scott video on rocket tuesday explaining why all 5 launches got scrubbed. [14:32:11] hehe [14:32:27] you cant beat the moldy mouse food excuse :) [14:36:14] ;kmath convert 13/7 in percents [14:36:28] I forgot how the bot works uh [14:37:46] 185.714285714285714286% [14:37:55] that is not what I want [14:38:03] I want proportions for rocket candy mix [14:38:16] I cant put 185% of potassium nitrate in it [14:38:22] hehe [14:38:35] then it is 13/20 and 7/20 [14:38:45] 13/7 is 65% 35% [14:38:45] it should be like 60/40 but wikipedia is dumb [14:38:56] 65% and 35% [14:39:02] uh thats not right [14:39:16] I had mixed some with that ratio and it wasnt using all the potassium [14:40:04] heh how should this high g contract work [14:40:18] why do the tourist expect high g in zero g when in orbit? [14:40:29] i could imagine during launch or reentry [14:42:19] Does anyone know Kevin Macleod's music enough to tell what track is in the background of this video? I can't find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q93v81ZjlIQ [14:42:20] YouTube - New Info Completely Changes Titanic Story Look Closer [14:51:24] damn, peoples on rocketry forums and subreddits are really acting like some words I cant say here [14:52:20] hehe [14:52:29] they wanted their circuses and nothing happened? [14:52:54] instead of giving usefull tips to peoples about buildign their own engines they are like "buy premade ones and learn" but they never teach [14:53:16] so of course peoples will freestyle their rockets if they cant give good answers besides "you are doing it wrong" [14:53:48] hehe [14:53:59] rt.m id the rockets [14:54:06] *of [14:54:52] look at this https://www.reddit.com/r/rocketry/comments/6eyzoy/sugar_kno3_rockets_not_generating_any_thrust/ [14:55:00] instead of being nice they act like this [14:55:11] and it is like that on every forum I have seen [15:03:19] thats how it is with many hobby communities [15:03:41] gets very petty & pedantic sometimes [15:03:44] not rc stuff heh [15:04:08] when someone comes to me to get help im like "ok this is what is wrong and here is how to improve it" [15:05:08] gets a bit tiring explaing the same things over and over again to dozen of peoples but I still do it [15:05:31] some of them give up and I dont ever see them again but others make amazing things [15:44:53] How sad, the launch was moved to tomorrow [15:45:00] which one [15:45:37] SpaceX [15:45:48] yes that was an hour ago [15:46:09] I know, still sad :P [15:46:31] we can still have (european) launch wednesday [15:47:08] but tomorrow I'll be at a customers office and can't watch it :( [15:47:51] do like reds rhetoric: have to be on holiday because somebody is wrong on the internet [15:51:13] wonder what the man will have to say regarding these launch holds [15:51:34] the manley scott? :) [15:52:18] ya.. mostly since he made that video earlier on [15:52:28] for perfection the indian and nrol launches should be postponed too [15:53:01] hmmm... roll critical failure [15:53:10] what is that [15:55:38] eh was thinking tabletop... roll 1's.. critical failure.. everything goes bad -shrug [15:56:02] shoot an arrow, hit yourself in the face instead [15:56:24] i took an arrow in the knee :) [15:57:40] meh.. knees.. [15:57:50] still good.. got another [15:58:02] arrow to the head on the ohter hand.. [15:58:12] bee's knees [15:59:04] http://i.imgur.com/Y59rq.jpg [15:59:30] or htis unlucky chap.. https://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/31/30535/JDDkcIZ.jpg [15:59:43] lol [16:03:00] arrow to the knee? peh... need something new: http://www.laughaton.com/uploads/images/211-Arrow-to-the-knee.jpg [16:03:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:03:15] anyways.... [16:13:16] what is the actual g force tolerance of tourists? [16:19:17] I've had to pet it around 8-9gs.. [16:19:49] I think there are three seperate tolerances - one for staying alive, one for staying conscious, and one to remain willing to fulfil payment of contract [16:19:50] heh, now 5 of those would need a huge thruster. this contract is not possible, especially it has to be done in orbit [16:19:54] there is a bit of having to sustain it for a moment.. might be a little less? [16:19:56]