[00:11:20] ;mission [00:11:20] QualifiedRaptop: Wernher claims to have a plan to turn the entire astronaut complex into a rocket... Your skill at breaking KSP gets you invited to the Experimental team. [00:11:50] The bot appears to have left out several steps, unless I'm Wernher? [00:34:08] I'm having trouble transfering science data from an Experimental Storage Unit to another ship. The ESU is on one of two ships that are both docked to a station on different ports, and when I click the ESU I get the prompt to click another part to transfer it to, but the command module of the second ship doesn't light up ... in fact, no other parts [00:34:08] light up. I've tried putting a Kerbal on EVA outside the lander can with the ESU on it, but when I open the PAW I don't get an option to get at the data. Am I missing something? [00:35:48] PAW? [00:37:15] Part Action Window - the one that opens up when you right click on a part [00:37:20] ah [00:37:46] I use the mod Ship Manifest to move science around [00:39:43] QualifiedRaptop, https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1021/8371/products/XMA1_068_67079eed-77e1-4bc3-a037-2731993f19d6_1200x1200.jpg?v=1569607602 [00:40:17] I've heard of that, but haven't loaded it. A couple days ago I had a similar situation: data in one command module that I wanted to move to another craft. I was able to park a Kerbal on the first ship, transfer the data, then moved to the second ship. When the Kerbal boarded the second ship, the data was transfered. I was expecting to be able to do [00:40:17] something like that here, but apparently no such luck. I wonder if it has something to do with the data being in the ESU, and needing to go into another ESU...? [00:41:02] maybe. I haven't used the ESU much [00:42:04] I'll keep playing with it ... maybe I have to send up another ship with an ESU to take the data from the first one... oh well. [00:42:04] Thanks anyhow. [01:30:38] /me rescues two pilots [01:30:42] Action: flayer rescues two pilots [01:30:57] Action: flayer dismisses them [01:31:07] Action: flayer rescues two scientists [01:31:10] Action: flayer cheers [01:52:47] Some contracts require pilots on board of space stations. [04:37:39] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:21:19] Mission Control Live: NASA Lands Perseverance Mars Rover (360 video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIooAx_GkJs [06:27:02] Watch NASA’s Perseverance Rover Land on Mars! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm0b_ijaYMQ [06:28:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:17:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:43:22] Hi darsie and pizzaoverhead [12:45:20] o/ [12:47:33] . [13:44:03] hello [13:53:14] Hello [13:53:25] Mod9000: My favorite bot, how are you? [13:54:59] hehe [14:32:15] Action: darsie is a bot, too. [14:32:37] Hello Mod9000 [14:32:41] Good thanks [15:08:44] :D [15:30:28] I was going to make some games for Mod9000. Shame I didn't get around to it [16:51:11] what kind of games [16:52:45] Obviously we should have a #KSPOfficial chess tournament or something [16:58:18] lol [16:58:28] I can add stuff to LunchBot if there are good suggestions [16:58:47] against computer or pvp? [16:59:30] Got to be pvp [16:59:41] then you dont need the bot [16:59:45] Or everyone votes for moves against the computer, "Twitch Plays" style [16:59:52] 'global thermonuclear warfare' [17:01:23] Ariri: so, DEFCON? [17:02:03] It'd be cool, but I was more just alluding to War Games as a joke [17:02:21] fair [17:03:44] stream starts in about 2 hours [17:04:07] Would you like to play a game? [begins clicking like a geiger counter] [17:05:34] that branch rebase at the end of the day was tiring. not enough concentration points remaining to play ksp [17:05:45] Action: raptop wonders if there are any games where nuclear reactors can suffer from xenon poisoning [17:06:31] ...though really, the games I played most recently were War on the Sea, and, er, Baldur's Gate 1 [17:09:46] Action: raptop realizes that I havn't done any sort of tabletop roleplaying in MAX_INT years [17:10:16] hehe [17:36:31] hehe welcome back to hardware unavailable. that joke doesnt get old this year [17:37:22] Althego: oh, B117 is on the rise here. So "Lockdown until further notice" wont get old this year. [17:37:41] Also with the current vaccination rate we will be done in 3.5 years here /o\ [17:37:51] i dont know the variant, but the numbers are rising again for weeks [17:37:57] lol [17:49:37] Action: raptop is wondering if I'm going to get dragged into teaching in-person in august without being vaccinated [17:49:59] Althego: not here, they were falling. But now, well, stagnating. [17:50:42] And our experts are already calculating that the more infectious variants will offset this soon. [17:50:56] So, we need to do a fully lockdown. Fun Fun Fun! [17:51:34] i think the increase is likely due to the uk variant. i dont know if we are in lockdown, i dont go out anyway. just to get food [17:51:41] And no, this is not a full lockdown here. This is something very light hearted. I had to go to the repair shop today, the Autobahn was full with cars. [17:51:42] and that was always allowed [17:51:56] Althego: it is due to the UK variant [17:52:06] but there are others already showing up as well. [17:52:08] you said it [17:52:14] i dont have data why it is here [17:52:35] want data or is my word enough? [17:54:58] the real problem is though that we are breeding a variant that has a different spike protein but is equally infectious and it will take another year to make a new vaccacine. [17:55:38] This is pure statistics. If we have enough people infected and wait long enough new mutations will occur. [17:55:41] funny but the old style vaccines may be better for this. since they contain moe of the virus, not just the spike [17:56:07] Our immun system mostly works with the spike, because that is what it can see anyways [17:56:18] my problem is, the chinese vaccine is shipped here in huge numbers and i dont know anything about it [17:59:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:00:26] hard to know without studies from our own universities [18:09:49] we are the dark alternate timeline from a scifi [18:13:15] the darkest. [18:13:57] But I'm suprised there is no looting and shooting in TX. Maybe we're not that awful as we think [18:14:27] we? neither you or me are from texas [18:14:31] It's the guns that make people civil. [18:14:39] e [18:14:55] e! [18:15:11] perseverance is landing today [18:15:49] \o/ [18:15:51] stream starts in an hour [18:15:59] see the topic [18:16:00] yes [18:16:20] it's supposed to land at 12:52:31pm PST [18:16:59] which is tolerable, just before 22 [18:17:22] i would like to go to sleep sooner but i can delay that much [18:18:14] I don't need sleep, I need Mars landing [18:21:42] what if the rover hit deimos as it started it's descent [18:21:51] uh [18:21:51] that would suck [18:22:00] Deimos is the more distant moon [18:22:03] hehe i think these things are taken into account [18:22:11] oh [18:22:29] what if the rover hit phobos as it started it's descent [18:23:40] what Althego typed [18:24:22] i am a type of eukaryotic organism :) [18:25:40] Hey guys can Kerbol and Munar eclipses happen in KSP [18:26:02] or do you need to download a mod [18:26:20] they happen all the time [18:26:37] are they possible in stock ksp [18:26:46] you just cant see it, but the solar panels know it is an eclipse [18:26:55] Solar eclipses happen in stock KSP every "munth", as do 'lunar' eclipses [18:27:05] dang [18:27:09] Well, the solar eclipse part is visible if you look up [18:27:25] Since the mun is at 0 degrees inclincation, you don't have eclipse seasons like with earth [18:27:50] does the mun disappear or change color in Munar / Lunar eclipses [18:29:05] unfortunately no [18:29:34] that is why i said, the sure way to know it is to wask the solar panels [18:29:42] Since the mun completes one orbit around kerbin in ~6.4 kerbin days, I'd handwave it as roughly every other eclipse being visible from a given location [18:29:50] and then they say something like 0.00 eclipssed by whatever [18:30:40] oh [18:30:56] but there is still light [18:31:08] so you can only see it if you look at the sun and see something is there [18:31:38] this is still great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QSux_LU2U [18:55:45] not as complicated as the mmx, but i like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDE0JuAlktc bonus points ofr popcorn [19:14:38] streams are onlyine [19:15:45] itś go time [19:18:51] wew, clean feed is a lot nicer to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPrbJ63qUc4 [19:25:27] funny thing is, a starship might land there with people before the sample retrieval happens [19:25:56] Does Perseverance have a legitimate claim to the throne of Mars? [19:26:34] no, curiosity is a a strong contestant :) [19:27:05] Inquisitiveness is no match for resolve [19:30:36] Perseverance also has organic air support. [19:31:32] what are the chances for ingenuity to survives? [19:31:42] those foam blades look so flimsy [19:31:57] but according to primogeniture curiosity has the right of the throne [19:32:00] Flimsy or as light as possible. Pick half of one. [19:32:26] does perseverance have a better laser? [19:32:41] @Althego I think a mostly-failed Soviet probe might claim right of leadership, then. [19:32:59] the dead dont matter [19:33:37] It's still there waiting for a medic. [19:34:01] hehe [19:34:40] But, obviously, no one in Battlefield Mars actually plays a medic. [19:36:32] Found what I was looking for https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343407486_Valley_formation_on_early_Mars_by_subglacial_and_fluvial_erosion [19:37:02] spolide the events. ok we already knew them. the uhf stable, rimu stable, tango delta nominal, these were keywords for the curiosity landing [19:38:13] edl operation lead [19:38:36] Sounds like mumbo jumbo from an aerial combat game. "Tango delta nominal. Good tone, Mars 1, Fox 1!" [19:38:37] and there is the dog from everything is fine meme [19:39:08] it was chosen specifically that nobody knows that the landing happened [19:39:15] yet it is still the abbreviation of TD [19:39:19] as in touchdown [19:39:44] they simply didnt want to have premature or wrong announcements [19:39:54] and waited for all three event to happen [19:40:18] Nah. It's just brevity codes for the U.N. ship about ready to open fire on the MCRN craft. [19:40:39] Surface of Mars by Mars 3. Maybe. https://planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/4-mars/2013/20130412_mars3-image.jpg [19:40:58] what is this? [19:41:51] It's presumably a photo of the surface of Mars by the Mars 3 lander. [19:42:06] It sort of landed during a planetwide dust storm. [19:42:21] if you squint hard enough you can imagine it [19:42:35] And the Soviet Mars probes all sort of had serious issues. [19:42:47] Like that time a fleet of four were sent in one transfer window and all failed. [19:42:56] hehe [19:46:57] No worries. Just call the launch failures Cosmos missions and claim they were meant to not work! [19:48:02] Action: Jovian_Oracle side eyes exploding SpaceX rockets [19:50:25] More successful Soviet probe https://i.redd.it/wm7fc7vebbb01.jpg [19:50:53] lot harder to land there [19:52:09] I'd argue the opposite, since you can use a parachute the whole way. The real trick is surviving for more than a few minutes. [19:52:55] It's like landing on Eve, but if Eve also wanted to kill you after touchdown. [19:54:58] Some of the earlier Venera missions had over-engineered parachutes because estimates of their performance and the Venusian atmospheric pressure were way off. [19:56:51] you dont even need a parachute [19:59:42] If your probe is sufficiently robust. Some of the Venera probes had their parachutes fail during final descent, which was not good [20:00:26] IE: Venera 7's parachute failed too soon, and it landed on hard its side as a result. [20:01:20] Action: raptop recalls something where a descent (not landing) probe successfully landed anyway because terminal velocity was so low. Was that Venera 7? [20:02:01] Venera 7 did sort of work. Being on its side meant its signal was much weaker than was hoped for. [20:02:23] this is what you get from a supercritical fluid atmosphere [20:02:41] Next stop: Jovian metallic hydrogen probe. [20:02:53] hehe [20:03:00] Where we're going, we won't need parachutes to land. [20:03:03] with sample return [20:03:10] Challenge accepted. [20:04:25] Sample return while keeping the hydrogen metallic that is :p [20:04:41] It'd be pretty funny if someone replaced the initial footage of Perseverance landing with this instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hha5VQ2q41g [20:26:15] i slept through curiosity's landing. i remember i was in geilenkirchen and working hard on something. only next day noon i realized it happened already [20:30:30] You missed the aliens that NASA had to edit out in rebroadcasts then [20:33:16] hehe jpl and the peanuts [20:38:15] solar ejected, we are nuclear nao [20:39:20] RTGs is nuclear energy for peasants [20:39:35] it is more like a slowly rechargin battery [20:39:46] yayayayayayayayay there's gonna be a helicopter on marsss sooooooon [20:39:53] and microphone too [20:39:56] cruise stage separated [20:40:16] #Althego Like the Energizer Bunny, but if it got really old and slowed down because of plaque buildup in its arteries. [20:41:54] i am not a channel :) [20:42:22] You're the channel now. [20:42:34] Much like I'll be the Senate with the next Stellaris release. [20:42:41] lol [20:43:22] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrTixCg8m2M [20:44:11] btw no mohawk guy this time [20:45:06] Or I suppose I could be teh Crisis. [20:46:08] >preserverance is accelerating [20:46:09] kek [20:46:11] what a lie [20:46:12] 5.4 km/s at entry interface [20:46:15] i am egypt, the morning of the evening star [20:46:28] I mean, it'll be speeding up until it's a bit into the atmosphere [20:46:43] na, space time is bending [20:46:51] preserverance is just cruising [20:46:56] hehehe [20:47:13] https://eyes.nasa.gov/apps/mars2020/#/home [20:47:25] I can't figure out if the touchdown is scheduled 20:55 UTC, or the information about touchdown reaching earth at 20:55 UTC [20:47:29] Yeah [20:47:35] I mean, did it already land? [20:47:48] could you see the plasma from earth with a big enough telescope? that there is something landing? [20:48:44] Depending on its angle off of Mars, maybe. It'd be awfully bright [20:50:22] Stop shaking your leg [20:50:52] Inners always messing things up. [20:50:58] will they try to image the parachutes from orbit this time too? [20:51:33] THe 10 G peak sounds like how I deorbit kerbals [20:51:39] hehe [20:51:43] I think so? Given that MRO was getting data [20:51:46] that was one critical point [20:51:48] chute! [20:51:55] \o/ [20:52:31] machine vision go go go [20:53:02] So it either landed or crashed by now. Or crash landed. [20:53:27] Or landed awkwardly on its side and ended upside down like a tortoise on its back. [20:53:37] Technically Curiosity's first images were of a crash (of the skycrane) [20:53:39] hehe [20:53:43] cant really [20:53:49] power descent go go go [20:54:37] ohohoho [20:54:51] ok [20:54:57] looking good bois [20:54:59] Technically, a crash landing is a descent powered by gravity. [20:55:08] \o/ [20:55:16] hehe [20:55:18] Or retained velocity from the orbital transfer. [20:55:24] \o/ [20:55:31] This is why they really should use a portal gun. [20:55:34] yayayayyayayaayay [20:55:49] what's going on :) [20:55:54] How many experience points is that? [20:55:55] oh no that is heyeyeye [20:56:04] Is there an achievement? [20:56:04] none, didnt kill anything [20:56:23] maybe some mars microbes? [20:56:25] Well sometimes you get them for using skills. IE: Picking your nose increases the lockpicking skill by one point per booger. [20:56:27] come on, it's not D&D ;-) [20:57:11] so who's going to scoop up the poop from preserverance? [20:57:12] The use of retrorockets should count towards the Acrobatics skill, unless they removed it in this version [20:57:25] @esspapier Probably no one in the near future. [20:57:36] and btw there will be a full internal movie of the landing [20:57:36] :/ [20:57:37] with sound [20:57:46] and several cameras [20:57:51] hazcam images! [20:58:11] Sample return from Mars is expensive, and I'm not really confident SpaceX is getting there anytime within the coming decade. [20:58:29] but also not sure they can do it this decade [20:58:33] the sample return [20:59:00] Dear Kraken, the Shadows are on Mars! [20:59:19] They said we die if we went to Z'ha'dum! [20:59:22] If a rover sees its shadow, does that mean 10 more weeks of winter? [20:59:55] hehe [21:00:05] If a rover sees its Shadows, we should probably call Ambassador Kosh. [21:00:12] hehe [21:00:30] But then he would just be all cryptic like and speak in stupid riddles. [21:00:44] B5 really? [21:01:08] really nice landing system, too bad it cant be used for bigger loads [21:01:10] Would you prefer something more obscure? Like Battletech? [21:01:39] Sadly, Mars doesn't figure much into BattleTech, where much of Season 4 of Babylon 5 took place on Mars. [21:03:57] i was close 20 seconds in the future compared to others during the landing [21:04:05] use the double speed people [21:04:22] it eliminates buffer and puts you to closer to real time [21:04:31] Just use a wormhole and eliminate the time lag next time. [21:04:48] yes, open it right next to the landing point and watch it with my eyes [21:04:49] That's what I'd do if it weren't for the severe gravitational redshift giving me cancer. [21:05:07] how does redshift give you cancer? [21:05:40] It shifted so hard to red it went back to gamma rays. [21:05:47] hehe [21:06:04] The electromagnetic horseshoe hypothesis is real. [21:06:14] lol through an integer underflow? :-D [21:06:51] or maybe it's cause it's 5G frequencies now? [21:07:07] i can understand why they are on martian time for a solar powered vehicle, but why for the rtg? [21:07:51] The cameras need light [21:08:03] hehe i didnt think of that :) [21:08:23] actually they do earth like colored images during the night with white leds [21:08:27] And so while they're not doing real time per se, my understanding is that the actual delays tend to skew to hours [21:08:37] because then the red haze doesnt interfere [21:11:08] do they know where it landed? [21:11:19] or have to wait for an orbital pass? [21:11:37] i mean the orbiters were there so could have take nan image [21:11:37] I heard 35meters from a rock [21:11:55] ah they figured that out from the hazcam? [21:12:03] you know, that one which was there when they did that other thing [21:12:11] I think so, yeah [21:13:01] Action: raptop heard someone saying that they recognized the location a bit ago [21:13:15] yeah, that was funny [21:13:24] eta for landing movie? :) [21:16:35] Not sure, MRO only has so much bandwidth [21:20:47] Can we communicate with Ingenuity from orbit? [21:22:25] hehe, did they get the rights for the song? [21:22:40] From David Bowie? [21:22:44] :) [21:22:46] JPL crashes a crane on mars containing ~96 kg of highly toxic propellants [21:23:06] also bombs the surface with with tungsten weights [21:23:06] We don't know what's toxic to Martians. [21:23:17] Was there a jojo despin? [21:23:36] it wasnt spinning too fast to begin with [21:23:41] Was there a jojo despin? [21:23:54] AFAIK, yes, but very early on. Before the straighten up and fly right maneuver [21:24:22] Stream breaking up? [21:24:30] there was a time when there was a list of things happening [21:24:43] maybe it is there [21:25:08] spindown mentioned [21:25:14] after rcs [21:26:50] looks like the stream's ended [21:26:56] yes [21:27:19] anyway i never heard about yoyo despin for curiosity or perseverance [21:27:50] so maybe stopped by rcs [21:29:32] Communications with the rover are through a radio link using low-power Zigbee communication protocols, implemented via 900 MHz SiFlex 02 chipsets mounted in both the rover and helicopter.[12] The communication system is designed to relay data at 250 kbit/s over distances of up to 1,000 m (3,300 ft).[12] [21:29:41] i dont think it can communicate with the orbiters [21:29:58] ok [21:30:03] and it runs linux on a qualcomm snapdragon [21:30:30] which is gunny, because that may be more powerful than the rover cpu [21:30:33] penguins on mars! [21:30:49] i think even the rover runs linux implicitly [21:30:52] But we have directional antennas in orbit. [21:30:55] since vxworks is not a self hosting os [21:31:07] Maybe not for 900 MHz. [21:31:25] zigbee is more for short distance low power mesh networks [21:31:40] so i dont think an orbiter would be able to get anything [21:33:37] Linux? They should be running on COBOL [21:33:38] with line-of-sight I think it should be able to, if it really wanted... [21:33:53] Linux can run cobol [21:34:11] Soviet probe telecoms weren't far removed from semaphores. [21:34:14] but they should be running kOS [21:35:02] REAL space probes should communicate with hand signals. [21:35:15] Like wetwork operators, that way the Martians can't intercept their signals. [21:35:30] Stealth science. [21:36:40] they should also get a kerbal engineer there in case one of the wheels breaks [21:36:41] there are plans for an rtg powered drone on titan [21:36:48] and that will be standalone [21:37:01] RTGs are heavy. [21:37:02] maybe direct to earth communications [21:37:08] titan is small [21:37:16] with thick atmosphere [21:37:25] it can be heavy [21:37:30] That sounds like a contradiction. [21:37:59] well they're thinking about a 150mg RTG for the Breakthrough Starshot, so I guess they can also be light [21:38:42] Well, even a small one can charge a big battery. [21:38:44] the rtg can be heavy since the other properties of the environment favor a flying probe [21:39:12] the only place in the solar system where humans would be able to fly with their own muscle power [21:39:26] We can do that on Earth. [21:39:45] Not sure if we crossed the English channel. [21:39:47] not with wings [21:39:55] i mean flapping wings [21:39:57] Muscle powered airplanes. [21:39:58] like birds [21:40:08] yes that was pedal powered [21:41:03] !road [21:41:07] Althego => Primary; Monday, February 22, 2021; 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.; Scheduled | Secondary; Tuesday, February 23, 2021; 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.; Scheduled | Secondary; Wednesday, February 24, 2021; 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.; Scheduled [21:41:21] static fire? [21:43:16] ok, there are people doing KSP speedruns. Full science in under an hour... [21:43:23] lol [21:43:39] if you go to minmus early [21:43:42] i guess [21:44:08] with the third ship- [21:44:16] hehe [21:44:26] i can go into orbit with the first [21:44:26] After that he has the science lab and takes it to minmus and farms science out of it. [21:44:36] so probably the second is realistic [21:44:51] i never use the science lab [21:45:03] He didn't. He just took all the science points necessary from the KSP in the first and second launch to get better engines and more science [21:45:03] it just pumps out science for free [21:45:23] yeah, the balancing is off in some places ;) [21:45:27] Althego: It's probably faster to go to orbit with the second. [21:45:38] ah i still have to collect seizmo and atmo analyzer thingie data from all over ksp [21:52:20] why does this image look like game footage? :p https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/e2fb4c88-10d2-4491-be97-fcbdadb0b83d_w948_r1.77_fpx31.25_fpy50.jpg [21:52:43] LET'S GO!!! PERSEVERANCE MADE IT! [21:53:13] poggers [21:53:37] helicopter test flight soon, I think? [21:54:13] I'm wondering what happened to the front left cam image... was it interrupted intentionally just to see the horizon line? https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/multimedia/raw-images/FLR_0000_0666952977_663ECM_N0010044AUT_04096_00_2I3J01 [21:54:52] Action: raptop has no idea [21:54:59] We better hope so [21:55:20] Or else Perseverance is in danger of nearby hazards [21:58:27] Eddi|zuHause: It's a simulation of what happened after it happened. [21:58:48] I found a video of a Kerbolar/Solar Eclipse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPyEN6INGz4 [22:00:02] So, when there's a Munar/Lunar Eclipse, the Mun doesn't turn red or anything? Kerbin's shadow doesn't affect it? [22:01:30] videogame lighting is often a bit limited in features [22:02:40] Someone made a scattering mod where the sky will actually dim during a Kerbolar Eclipse [22:03:01] In stock KSP, the sky doesn't get any darker [22:03:10] raptop: after copter is dropped it'll take another 2 hours before it boots up [22:04:12] wow [22:04:28] they'll try to keep flights to mars mornings, before midday (so it has enough time to recharge, but before the air gets too thin in the afternoon) [22:05:20] ah [22:08:26] interesting [22:11:34] yes [22:24:40] Eddi|zuHause: wouldn't be surprised if they're using a game engine for visualisation [22:41:33] WHERE MY BRIEFING [22:42:06] MAH* [22:42:52] Action: flayer shows goblin some briefs