[01:37:53] ;mission [01:37:53] raptop: You attempt to mutate some neutrinos. But Althego already fixed it incorrectly. Full Stop. [01:38:02] <_< [01:38:02] >_> [01:41:36] raptop: You construct a solar death ray. You successfully lower the speed of light to 1 m/s. However, your subsequent excited rush out of your lab to announce your findings goes very badly for you. [01:42:39] Slow Fog protects against Dark Forest Attacks [01:43:02] I should probably have tried to raise the speed of light to make the death ray more effective [01:44:04] see also: SCP-536 [01:44:57] lol [01:45:06] gonna love indirect ping [01:45:12] ;mission [01:45:12] XXCoder: You are contracted to remove all asteroids from the Kerbol system. The IRC server crashes. [01:45:50] In retrospect, having every asteroid announce its position over IRC was a mistake [01:46:22] XXCoder: You confuse brachistochrone and brachiosaur trajectories. You somehow end up in Dilbert space. [01:46:37] indeed [01:46:46] oh you guys saw new baba is you update? [01:46:55] i made my first level lol XGNF-4XE4 [01:47:34] Action: raptop should try out baba is you at some point [01:47:40] ;outcome saur [01:47:40] raptop: An 80 tonne sauropod collides with your space station at 120 km/s. [01:47:59] depends on you, but could be hell of a fun [01:48:03] That's pretty slow. [01:48:21] ohh, km/s, not km/h. [01:48:47] meh just 60*60 times faster ;) [01:48:49] I dare you to get anything to 120 km/s. [01:49:00] That is, of course, the outcome to go with the brachiosaur trajectory joke [01:49:17] lol [01:49:18] Action: raptop points a flashlight at darsie [01:49:39] (or are photons overkill?) [01:50:00] Action: darsie goes to sleep. [01:50:05] 'night [01:50:30] wow light causes dars to sleep ;) [01:50:31] night [01:54:45] sleep is good, but I wish I didn't need it [02:46:50] rap me too lol [03:56:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:27:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:39:27] https://i.imgur.com/IhVcsJl.png Meh [08:40:08] which year? [08:41:02] 202x [08:46:55] almost megaman [08:48:10] Who's that? [08:48:15] Elon? [08:48:52] time to feel old [09:01:11] Althego: every year from now on! [09:17:32] tweet for tldw: [09:17:33] First orbital launch attempt in January/February [09:17:33] 1000 Starships for life to become multi-planetary [09:17:34] 2-3 uncrewed Mars landings before humans [09:17:34] A dozen Starship launches in 2022 [09:17:34] Launch of commercial payloads in 2023 [09:18:53] So, let's convert the Elon-time to real time. [09:19:00] hehe [09:19:06] they can launch in january [09:19:06] First launch in March, second launch in May. [09:19:15] they are basically waiting for approval [09:19:25] Then fiddeling around for another three month [09:19:34] to get the landing thing straight. [09:19:37] sn21 is well underway [09:19:52] Inbetween we will see the lunar stuff being built and tested [09:20:16] then in 2023 maybe a launch to Mars, but only flyby, coming back 2024, landing attempt. [09:20:34] however the dozen launches in 2022 seems to be a lot [09:20:37] In 2025 launch to Mars with payload to test landing [09:20:45] Fails spectecularly. [09:21:00] Then several launches per year to get that straight [09:21:15] and in 2030 maybe a launch to Mars wit humans, but only flyby. [09:21:32] Maybe even two ships connected by cables to create artificial gravity [09:22:34] Oh, I forgot the whole in orbit refuel that has to be tested thoroughly. [10:22:51] there is no launch window for mars in 2023 [10:23:28] closest one is autumn 2022 [10:24:23] altough landing would be in 2023 if they launched next year [10:25:25] only one launch to mars next year, the esa rover [10:25:56] I saw "ESA" graffiti, but I don't think it's space related. [10:34:00] Althego: launch window with or without taking the venus route into account? [10:34:09] no venus [10:34:21] i really want to go to mars with venus flyby [10:35:38] If you take the venus route you can launch more often [10:35:54] so I guess SpaceX knows that and will take it into account [10:36:04] and somehow nobody is using this method [10:36:22] find out how to make your mars trips shorted with this one insane trick! [10:39:01] Probably all missions starting now have been planned for years and years and they never thought about Venus back then [11:19:17] Is there an online space flight planner, where you can move the orbits and stuff like in KSP? [11:25:01] Action: darsie thinks GMAT is very different. [12:28:02] 22k people watching a duck sing [12:32:31] not me, I'm watching cats fighting [16:34:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop ' by swepipe.esper.net [17:51:49] Disappointed Bezos. https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1461358172514385925 [17:52:25] "Blue Origin is in the position of every disappointed bidder: Oh. That’s what the agency wanted and liked best? If we had known, we could have offered a better price and snazzier features and options." [17:54:43] we call this "explaining the school report" (why it happened to be so bad) [18:09:45] hrhr [18:57:53] ;me pokes things with a stick [18:58:10] s/;/\// [18:59:39] Action: darsie poked his nasopharynx with a stick. [18:59:50] sorry about that [19:00:00] np [19:07:31] ouch [19:08:06] Juts the normal sample stick. [19:08:48] Action: raptop is suddenly reminded that it would be nice to have a meterstick on hand for astronomy outreach purposes [19:11:16] explode, darn you! [19:11:35] lol [19:20:17] todo at some point: make the stub articles about the extra spaceports a bit less stubby [19:20:30] (though mostly location info and if you can get more science from them) [19:40:11] ih scott [19:40:20] *oh [20:45:42] . o O (v-tuber with kerbal avatar) [21:24:53] hi [21:25:23] I asked in another ##physics how to 3d model a space station realistically [21:27:37] There's a risk in that a lot of space station assembly here involves assembly of quasi-lego parts under relatex Δv, thermal, etc constraints [21:28:11] Also that historically most stations were launched fully assembled [21:31:17] good to know [21:36:19] raptop, but maybe this wont forever [21:36:33] *checking notes*: Skylab, Salyuts 1-5, and Tiangong 1&2 all had no orbital assembly. Salyut 7, and arguably 6 sorta did with the TKS spacecraft [21:36:45] in 400 or so deep space 9 is going to be built and you know it looks different ;) [21:36:53] Mir, the ISS, and the very in-progress Chinese space station do assembly [21:37:06] (Or did, rather, for Mir) [21:37:49] soner or later we build stations that shall build stations or space crafts [21:39:53] Presumably, though I don't know what the best resources for the construction details of something like Island 1 would be [21:43:58] Isn't it best for artificial gravitation to use a torus with maximum radius? [21:46:06] AIUI, once you get above some size, coriolis forces are less of a big deal and so going with a cylinder gets you more land area for unit mass [21:46:25] Stability would very much depend on the dimensions, and I'm rusty on Euler angles and the like [21:50:09] so greater size means you need to spin faster for an equivalent artificial graviation? [21:52:55] Faster in m/s, slower in rad/s [21:54:09] assuming I didn't mess up the math, v = sqrt(a*r) but θ' = sqrt(a/r) [21:55:55] great, that was what I wanted to know [21:56:54] would it make sense to have multiple torus in one plain circle? [21:57:02] with different radius? [21:57:36] maybe if you want different artificial gravitation [21:57:48] Maybe! [21:58:30] You described the obvious reason, but getting into the motivations for wanting that would probably require some worldbuilding [22:06:12] nice, <200m/s rendezvous in LKO about 5 minutes after launch [22:07:38] whee! [22:14:06] Scott: this could actually work [22:14:19] Thunderfootinmouth: Baawww, scammity scam scam scam!11 [22:14:21] hm [22:15:24] ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAczd3mt3X0 vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ziGI0i9VbE ) [22:15:34] If this is about spinlaunch, I was laughing at them until they started building/testing hardware [22:15:49] yep, it is [22:15:52] yeah, it is [22:16:21] I don't like the Thunder guy anyway. He loves to rant for clicks [22:16:22] why is the torus always that way that its a circle in a circle. Isn't it possible that the area where you have that artificial gracity become much borader? so that it would look like a cylinder from outside? [22:19:51] .oO( https://i.imgur.com/pOikkGL.png ) [22:19:56] I'm not sure I understand the question -- there's a continuum between something like a tuna can and something like a pencil [22:21:22] instead of a torus you have a cylinder [22:21:48] I would need to paint it [22:22:11] it is just that something of the torus becomes longer [22:22:16] so that the result is a cylinder [22:22:37] you make the torus ring from a circle to an egg [22:22:44] and longer and longer [22:22:57] so that the whole thing looks from outside like a cylinder [22:23:15] but is is hollow [22:23:39] as well as the torus is in that erea empty [22:23:58] I am just strechting something [22:24:04] one 3d operation [22:24:45] like the big ship in Expanse [22:24:51] that can start to rotate [22:25:30] but you can only walk at the edge because inside it is empty [22:28:23] It's definitely something I've seen at times (example giant version https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Internal_view_of_the_O%27Neill_cylinder.jpg) [22:28:43] I want to say that really long ones have stability issues / need active controls but I could be wrong [22:32:48] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topopolis [22:32:57] it works in the Bobiverse :) [22:35:34] related Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxeMoaxUpWk [22:50:23] huh [23:36:34] lol, gg Konversation, here i am thinking this channel is just dead if i'm not inanely rambling about my basic KSP accomplishments, and it actually just lost connection and never told me and took me multiple days to notice lol [23:37:26] . [23:44:49] *sad trombone*