[02:31:08] starship but the raptors are reliant sand swivel engines moment [02:31:36] Ah, 1970-style SSTOs [02:31:57] remember when those existed? [02:32:00] i dont [02:32:07] i wasnt alive [02:32:31] Only on paper, but this is a comment on the tech levels implied by the LV-T30 and LV-T45 [02:33:44] the most advanced engines for a beginner kerbonaut playing career for the first time [02:35:27] Well, only LFEs at those points [02:36:09] true, gotta remember the BACC Thumper, the Flea, and the Hammer SRBs. [02:42:15] yeah [02:42:15] what are the LV-T30 and 45's real life counterparts [02:42:26] ? [02:43:07] It's ambiguous, in part given the way the LV-T30 was the initial engine in the first public versions of the game [02:44:20] I assume that they correspond with something in the eg: H-1, RS-27, RS-56, etc family [02:44:46] ohhh [02:45:13] Exact engine appearance might not, but they clearly exist in a similar role [02:45:46] yeah, they're essentially a raptor [02:46:04] but they came way before it was announced or built [02:46:31] the LV-T's also don't run on Methane or Full Flow Combustion [02:51:08] It's cool how KSP2 will have more materials too [02:58:26] It should be the Sün [02:58:36] not Kerbol [02:58:45] eh [02:59:16] it makes sense [03:00:12] I guess umlauts everywhere is something different from k-syndrome [03:00:45] umbralraptop hi [03:01:08] hello Dman979 [03:01:11] Action: Dman979 leaves 30s to 2 minutes later [03:01:21] hrm [03:01:23] Howdy, Twisten [03:01:38] Ah, a fellow American [03:01:55] Indeed [03:02:06] You know what they say in America, "In thrust, we Trust" [03:02:21] E Pluribus Boomen [03:02:23] I think that went a little overboard with the Super Heavy [03:02:47] How do I get my mod perms again? [03:03:02] It's been ages since I was last here [03:03:15] Action: umbralraptop wonders if there are any convenient LR105 or XLR89 models for comparison [03:03:41] well, hopefully you've registered with nickserv [03:03:47] Oh yeah [03:03:54] that was a *long* time ago [03:05:11] I already know you guys wouldn't trust me with mod perms [03:07:01] they don't trust me either, and I've been here for years [03:07:26] We barely trust TheKosmonaut, so don't feel too bad [03:08:34] Im a 13 year old, there's no place where I deserve mod perms [03:08:38] Action: umbralraptop stares at chanserv flags. When did I get +S? [03:08:57] Action: TwistenX wonders since when there was flags [03:09:35] since before you were born [03:09:56] Before 2008? [03:10:02] The internet is old man [03:11:39] Action: Dman979 reminds TwistenX that sharing personal information on the internet is a bad idea [03:11:45] Action: TwistenX shrugs it off and continues to build his first Starship attempt. [03:13:07] Dman979: I've already told everyone my age, I don't really care if people know my DOB [03:13:25] O.o [03:13:36] A lot of things happened here [03:13:56] I cannot stress enough that you really, really should not share personal information on the internet [03:13:56] I actually started a "war" in the first year I was here [03:14:03] TwistenX, having just attended an infosec conference, I can assure you that sharing any personal info is a bad idea [03:14:12] Dman979: I understand that [03:14:46] umaxtu that's why I share random facts that are wrong, to throw people off the trail [03:15:02] My grandfather did that until he died at the ripe old age of 18 [03:15:25] The war I started was whether the Imperial or Metric Measurement System was better [03:15:51] Althego was one of the only few people who was full-Imperial [03:15:56] Obviously, the answer is: [03:16:04] speaking of that conference, check out the badge. https://mars.umaxtu.space/ShareX/MAXTOP/2021/09/20210916_110239.jpg and https://mars.umaxtu.space/ShareX/MAXTOP/2021/09/20210916_110231.jpg [03:16:47] Now, where were we? [03:17:00] Dman979, I was showing off my GrrCon badge. [03:17:10] https://mars.umaxtu.space/ShareX/MAXTOP/2021/09/20210916_110231.jpg [03:17:15] https://mars.umaxtu.space/ShareX/MAXTOP/2021/09/20210916_110239.jpg [03:17:34] mmmmm badge [03:17:40] Hmm [03:17:41] i want a badg [03:17:46] Badges? [03:17:58] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:17:58] We don't need no stinking badges! [03:18:21] Well, why not, sir? Surely they are needed! [03:19:58] Obviously you need half your mass in medals [03:20:29] the other half being the free beer [03:20:53] i can't drink beer :) [03:21:20] Try hydrazine [03:21:45] Is that legal and is it safe [03:22:11] TwistenX, https://inchem.org/documents/icsc/icsc/eics0281.htm [03:22:28] consdier: barq's or hires [03:22:33] It's allowed in the rules, and the only known side effects are developing an evil twin with a goatee [03:22:40] MMMMMM [03:22:45] SEEMS SAFE ENOUGH [03:22:46] But that's probably before your time, too [03:23:01] I prefer sasparilla [03:23:08] Barq's has rally good Root Beer [03:23:13] The carcinogens really bring out the kick [03:23:17] Oh jeez [03:23:34] ? [03:23:41] Are we done with metric/imperial and moving to A&W vs. Barqs? [03:24:11] Sarsaparilla was root beer before root beer was root beer. [03:24:16] But it causes cancer. [03:24:21] O [03:24:25] GOOD TO K OW [03:24:42] know* [03:25:13] Action: umbralraptop slaps a prop 65 warning on the sarspilla [03:25:42] 👍 [03:25:58] This IRC chat contains chemicals known in the State of California to cause cancer [03:26:14] o no [03:26:42] MY KERBALS IN THE VAB ARE LAGGING MY XBOX :( [03:26:55] Twisten, do you have a forum account? [03:27:00] KSP CONSOLE IS PAIN [03:27:37] Dman, used to, it's unused now [03:27:48] go on [03:27:53] "simon7495t" [03:28:10] i had a plan for making KSP but 2D [03:28:22] then I remembered I'm not good enough at programming yet [03:28:42] KSP was 2d originally [03:28:47] KSP2D officially cancelled until further notice [03:28:52] wait really? [03:28:54] Yep [03:28:55] unity is odd though [03:29:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:29:22] there are several 2D rocket building / orbital mechanics games, fwiw [03:29:30] I remember there being a neat one on Android [03:29:43] umbralraptop: You got S when I got F i believe [03:29:45] SpaceFlight Simulqtor is EPIC [03:29:52] anyway, I need to sort out some FLAGS [03:30:08] HE SPEAKS [03:30:18] Action: TwistenX kneels [03:30:21] Ai, ai! TheKosmonaut pftagn! [03:30:50] Anyways [03:31:10] Spaceflight Simulator is just like the KSP2D I planned on making [03:31:23] but SFS has less parts and it has the RSS [03:31:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:31:45] Woo! [03:31:51] Dman has officially become [03:31:53] TwistenX: I did not speak [03:31:55] I am [03:31:59] A S C E N D E D [03:32:02] Now I am become +o, destroyer of worlds [03:32:11] Dman979: +Oo * [03:32:17] everyone fears him [03:32:25] TheKosmonaut: so I just need to start assasinating people to become the founder? [03:32:27] for they do not know his true power [03:32:29] oh no, chaos cant be this cute [03:32:38] bro [03:32:41] you literally [03:32:46] umbralraptop: I guess, I would need to disconnect entirely from Esper for a few months for you to take my F [03:32:48] ruined it [03:32:49] Althego: that sounds like a new vtuber [03:33:03] AFAIK you could try to ban me but I still can unban via chanserv [03:33:18] smört [03:33:25] 🧠 [03:33:39] :smoothbrain: indeed [03:33:46] We had this conversation before, Kosmo [03:34:13] Dman979: Which one, we have like 3 types of conversations [03:34:20] this is most active this channel has been since I joined like (proceeds to do math) 2 years ago or something i don't rememebrr [03:34:29] 2 of them being sea-shanty related [03:34:39] Don't mind it, Twisten, we're going to leave in 30s to 2 minutes [03:34:44] Channel ded. Long live the channel [03:34:49] Oh, when the wellerman comes- [03:34:55] Action: umbralraptop slaps Dman979 around with a pike [03:35:02] WE’LL BE ALLLLL RIGHT [03:35:13] YEAHHHH [03:35:14] IF THE WIND WAS IN OUR SAILS [03:35:46] WHAT HAVE I DONE [03:37:33] what is leave in 30s in 2 minutes [03:38:10] I finally snapped: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/204888-why-do-people-keep-on-hopping-in-the-irc-saying-at-most-hi-and-then-leaving-30s-to-2-minutes-later/&tab=comments#comment-4033369 [03:39:24] I mean, I *did* say this was an alternative to discord [03:39:28] Dman979:LEAVE ‘ER JOHNNY LEAVE ‘ER [03:39:42] OH THE YEAR WAS 1778 [03:41:05] HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NNNOOOOW [03:41:38] A LETTER OF MARQUE CAME FROM THE KING [03:42:04] TO THE SCUMMIEST VESSEL I’VE EVER SEEN [03:42:20] oh dear [03:42:24] GOSH DARN THEM ALL [03:42:36] I WAS TOOOOLD [03:42:42] WE’D CRUISE THE SEAS FOR AMERICAN GOLD [03:42:51] WE’D FIRE NO GUNS [03:42:55] SHED NO TEEEEEAAAARS [03:42:57] Action: TwistenX takes a screenshot and puts it in the KSP IRC Chat Moments [03:42:57] SHED NO TEARS [03:43:06] what are you two smoking? [03:43:14] NOW IMMA BROKEN MAN ON THE HALIFAX PIER [03:43:31] THE LAST OF BARRETTS PRIVATEERS [03:43:56] Action: umbralraptop wouldn't expect many US ships to go privateering on for another, uh, 25-30 years [03:44:40] OH EL CID BARRETT CRIED THE TOWN [03:45:29] umaxtu: they're singing sea shanties [03:45:53] umbralraptop: The privateers in the song? [03:46:07] I would guess it’s about the privateering for Spanish ships bringing gold [03:46:21] 1780s was mostly Brits against the Spaniards in that regard [03:46:33] Uh [03:46:35] No. [03:46:47] There was a revolution happening [03:47:08] But the historical accuracy of the song isn't really the point here [03:47:10] Dman979: Oh *THAT* [03:47:23] I forgot about that [03:47:25] The point is that I'M A BROKEN MAN ON A HALIFAX PIER [03:47:26] any, night everyone [03:47:37] umaxtu: Where ya think yer goin [03:48:04] TheKosmonaut: ah, I was thinking of the stuff in the napoleonic wars [03:48:20] umaxtu: it's not even midnight! [03:48:52] It's 9 o clock, clowns [03:49:05] It is too bad privateering was “gone” by the 1860s [03:49:15] Could have had Yankee vs Dixie pirates [03:49:23] Action: umbralraptop waves from UT-4 [03:49:25] New York Yankees [03:49:26] TwistenX: Timezones, how do they work [03:49:36] Timezones don't exist [03:49:38] Nearly 1300 here [03:49:57] Technically, the U.S. Congress can still issue letters of marque [03:50:13] And since there's still pirates around the horn of africa... [03:50:57] ah timezones, i have a bit of a backlog of flat earth videos [03:51:37] NOW I'M A BROKEN MAN ON A MOGADISHU PIER [03:53:40] Dman979: Pirates round the horn probably dont care about the Treaty of Pair [03:53:42] Paris* [03:53:54] Which one? [03:54:21] Then again, the US didn’t either AFAIK [03:55:50] Dman979: Congress should send privateers out. The PoTC team is probably running out of material by now [03:56:19] Pirates of the Caribbean XXVII: Jack’s still here? [03:56:52] I think the pi rate of the caribbean is something like 22:7 [03:57:29] Pirates of the Caribbean XXIV: Miami Vice [03:57:32] I’m into it [03:58:07] oh [03:58:09] my [03:58:12] god [03:58:19] lol [03:58:20] what the hell happened here [03:58:23] Jack Sparrow has a cigarette boat and rams it into a submarine, jumps in through the loading hatches and commandeers it [03:59:00] I LEAVE FOR 20 MINUTES [03:59:02] We're gonna dive this sub to Davy Jones' locker [03:59:19] Action: umbralraptop looks at TheKosmonaut's timezone and ponders [04:00:10] umbralraptop I do run a brewery so [04:00:17] Bah, most of indonesia is elsewhere [04:00:58] umbralraptop i thought i already told everyone timezones don't exist [04:01:12] Action: umbralraptop threatens to use TAI for everything [04:01:13] its just made up by the government so they don't have to pay txes [04:01:30] they exist, but they area human concept, changed on a whim [04:02:19] yeah but so *dies of cough* [04:02:30] Action: TheKosmonaut moves that the world as a whole moves to UNIX time [04:02:35] “Hey what time is it?” [04:02:39] *takes a deep breath* [04:03:01] o no [04:03:04] hehehe [04:03:09] COVER YOUR EARS [04:03:15] no, it is just long [04:03:27] we can shorten it by using hexadecimals :) [04:03:30] must be [04:03:45] it's been like 2 minutes of him typing [04:03:47] or simply dropping the first digits [04:03:50] unix time does something silly with leap seconds IIRC [04:04:23] UNIVERSAL TIME SUPREMACY [04:04:38] the evil leap seconds [04:04:55] and the fact gps doesnt adjust for them [04:05:07] why must we make time so complicated? [04:05:18] just follow one time zone [04:05:18] The time is now 1631938070 [04:05:24] I was writing something down but then I realized that by the time I finished it, it was wrong [04:05:31] RELATIVE TO WHAT, DMAN?! [04:05:36] Or we can do Swatch’s Beats [04:05:43] That’s GMT in Unix [04:06:05] obviously 1970 [04:06:35] https://www.unixtimestamp.com/ [04:06:59] huh Swatch Still has a page for .beat [04:07:13] å [04:08:42] If you ever feel useless, just remember, the "Clamp-O-Tron Shielded Docking Port" has a FREAKING ANTENNA. [04:10:34] Althego: sadly universe arent clockwork, so gonna be complicated as long as we want to align time with universe constrants, like orbit time or rotation time [04:11:47] INTERNET [04:13:20] he's gone [04:13:25] wow [04:17:25] I remain [04:17:36] Can it use the antenna passively for probe range? [04:18:10] Anyway, I still stand by TAI is the closest thing to the One True Time system, but we are unfortuantely trapped on the surface of a spinning spheroid [04:18:28] So, UTC, LST, JD, etc are of value [04:18:50] move to venus, spins slower [04:19:22] or just speed up the Earth every now and then [04:19:30] stupid moon slows us down [04:19:35] Venus hardly spins, relatively to the Sun [04:20:10] http://www.madore.org/~david/computers/unix-leap-seconds.html - interesting... [04:20:30] yoco - you only clock once [04:20:41] hehe [04:22:57] packbart: and that approach to leap seconds is *why* unix time is bad [04:23:19] wöw [04:25:50] hah, after the unit wars, we arrived to the time wars [04:25:53] is this new? [04:26:04] i'm not sure [04:26:16] ive taken like 3 breaks from IRC [04:27:49] the nose of my starship looks a little... [04:27:51] ord [04:27:57] odd* [04:29:16] Althego: hm, next we need to fight over the kilogram I guess [04:29:37] the original one? [04:29:57] finally a war i didn't start [04:30:04] the physical chunk of metal [04:30:18] wasnt it platinum or something? [04:30:25] idk [04:31:05] I think initially defined as a volume of water, than as that platinum-iridium bar, and most recently something complicated with a watt-balance I think [04:31:31] dumb scientists always changing everything smh [04:31:35] finally [04:31:46] they did that so it is unchanging [04:31:49] a constant [04:32:05] the physical mass was always chaning [04:32:10] ^ [04:33:46] meh, there's other things they need to stop changing and keep constant [04:34:34] [The kg] is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the Planck constant h to be 6.62607015×10−34 when expressed in the unit J⋅s, which is equal to kg⋅m2⋅s−1, where the metre and the second are defined in terms of c and ΔνCs [04:35:36] All hail planck's constant [04:36:23] ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_redefinition_of_the_SI_base_units ) [04:36:31] hail sagan [04:36:48] The framerate of the universe. [04:37:17] oh wait, that's planck time. a different thing, I think [04:38:30] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1+%2F+planck+time [04:38:41] o [04:38:49] ok [04:38:54] 1.8549×10^43 fps [04:38:57] not bad [04:39:10] Quite the videocard [04:39:11] thats more than my xbox has rn [04:40:06] GOD THE LANDING LEGS ARE SO SPRINGY AND BAD [04:40:22] landing legs on the xbox? [04:40:39] NO YOU GAHHHHHHHH [04:40:48] YOU ALWAYS DO THA [04:40:49] T [04:42:10] the ksp landing legs are garbage [04:42:45] Action: umbralraptop wonders if there's something in advanced tweakables [04:42:58] i have that activated [04:44:18] Try downloading a mod, that might help :D [04:44:25] The spring and damper seem to be problem [04:44:35] Dman: I'm going to cry [04:46:35] hm. tbh, I didn't have much trouble with landing legs [04:46:59] maybe you use too few or too many? :) [04:49:26] 8 landing legs for a 241 ton craft? [04:49:31] nah [04:50:30] you can change the spring and damper settings [04:50:45] also use landing gear instead, they have way higehr tolerances [04:52:28] yeah, 241 ton might be a bit heavy for 8 legs [04:52:47] they'd compress the springs down to the core [04:53:53] neutronium legs [04:58:36] Yeah but Starship [04:58:54] so idc i'm gonna ignore u cuz i don't know what i'm doing [04:59:10] use KAL controller to amp the damping up to 11(thousand) ;) [04:59:36] hackr [05:01:48] I WAS ABOUT TO FLIP MY LID [05:02:01] I THOUGHT MY XBOX CRASHED FROM ME BUILDING A FAIRING [05:05:36] My Starship and SuperHeavy Test Vehicle has exactly 420 parts. Nice. 👍 [05:06:31] It's also 70m tall, like the real Starship. [05:08:58] Action: TheKosmonaut didn’t know people still play console KSP [05:15:51] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [06:40:39] off-topic: should i remaster Sonic.EXE? [06:42:15] . [06:42:54] i assume you're gonna say it's not even that scary [06:43:01] and i agree [06:45:56] also who is kefka? i feel like they're before my time [06:53:18] I've heard of Kafka but I never had to deal with their output [06:54:06] although the movie Brazil was said to be "kafkaesque" [06:57:12] 27B-6 [06:57:48] Authorization for Repairs of Domestic Living Quarters by Licensed Repair Technicians [07:14:29] is the very stupid game of the world [07:16:38] æ [09:56:32] ;mission [09:56:33] XXCoder: You land on Mun using winglets on decouplers. You realize that your emergency banana supply has been depleted. [09:57:08] dammnit shouldnt have used banana fuel rocket engine [11:19:38] hi guys having troubles with asteroid indirect mission 2 finding law [11:19:39] klaw [11:30:39] . [11:30:56] the usual business [11:35:46] 1337 [11:35:47] 1338 [11:35:49] * [12:59:02] bird... [13:04:47] kikkerikii [15:17:12] yo [15:18:49] huh, ocean theamed collab with ina, gura, marine, and aqua [15:19:08] 47 seconds [15:21:06] not great, not terrible [15:21:57] Action: umbralraptop sighs and grabs the high range dosimeter [16:26:23] but there are also 4 small animated episodes [16:26:26] which are funny [16:26:33] but as ina said, her voice acting needs work [16:26:41] she sounded like she was reading a book [16:26:54] while marine was natural [16:27:32] hm [16:27:59] Action: umbralraptop suspects that my japanese is still insufficient to really follow them [16:28:14] subtitles are in both languages [16:32:27] also. it's over inakin, i have the high ground [16:34:16] what are you talking about [16:34:27] is that some... *arms nukular warheads* weebery? [16:34:37] fake anime girls on the internet [17:00:50] let's see how big australian space sings [17:01:36] hehe starts with sailor moon op [18:07:29] can you use 'ground effect' physics in KSP? [18:08:47] As best I'm aware, KSP's aero model doesn't have the ground effect [18:09:43] not in the base game [18:09:51] i dont know maybe far supports it [18:10:02] or there may be a separate mod [18:11:42] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/183500-13-111-ground-effect/ [18:11:53] seems to be updated a year ago [18:13:52] ah, i don't think i can be bothered with more mods [18:14:00] i'll leave it, it was just a curiosity [18:53:17] but i am still going to build a huge amphibious hover base for laythe [18:53:29] or maybe even eve [18:53:45] unfolding water base [18:54:19] the inflatable heat shields float well. or rather everything floats in ksp [18:55:30] and then you have ore tanks. [18:55:48] basically required for submarines, because of the floatiness [18:55:48] that want to belong to planet core [19:13:12] space is drawing [19:13:21] but i am going to sleep [19:13:47] Is sleep real? [19:18:56] Action: flayer prods umbralraptop [19:21:52] Action: umbralraptop is prodded [19:23:08] i think you're fake [19:23:28] i am talking to a person in another channel who is convinced that everyone she talks to on irc is robert pattinson [19:23:41] i'm really not sure what's real anymore at this point [19:23:59] I mean, I'm not real [19:24:04] you probably are [19:29:34] As the artist formerly known as Prince put it, "you don't have to be real to be my girl" [21:23:50] just got done watching VAOS' stream [21:25:22] expanded on the Duna Colony a little bit [21:45:55] Tourist splashdown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpFKNNl47AM [22:07:21] Quindar tones in 2021, I guess [22:08:11] :) [22:08:27] a [22:09:16] あ [22:16:38] umbralraptop: they explained it with "making the astronauts pay attention to an incoming transmission" [22:16:59] and of course they play on the Apollo popularity [22:19:56] hm