[00:39:53] accidentally overheated my F-104 starfighter's engine going 1500 m/s at 1500m ASL. oops. [00:42:02] lol [00:43:14] the wing loading on this thing is terrible for a deadstick landing [00:49:06] who hasn't seen my beautiful RO mach 2 testbed yet? [00:52:13] https://imgur.com/a/TOpt3 [00:55:27] What game's that? [00:58:04] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: The ultimate measure of Kerman is not where they stand in places of orbit or gravity, but where they fall at times of aborts and launch failures. [00:58:55] by "fall" you mean "revert"? [00:59:52] Save game reverts are the last refuge of scummers. [01:00:22] Canup & Salmon, "Origin of Phobos and Deimos by the impact of a Vesta-to-Ceres sized body with Mars" Science Advances 2018 http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/4/eaar6887 [01:04:09] Canup & Salmon's work support the argument both Phobos and Deimos are bereft of volatiles, which would be problematic for some ISRU models. [01:05:36] Belated Nautical News update: U-3523 found https://www.seawarmuseum.dk/en [01:08:22] I guess that means Phobos and Deimos landers should be prioritized in the next planetary decadal? [01:08:33] Draconiator: KSP [01:08:44] Draconiator: realism overhaul [01:09:00] Raptop: Third time's the charm? [01:09:47] Action: Scolar_Visari is not surprised conspiracy theorists have already latched on to the U-3523's discovery [01:11:38] Scolar_Visari: wait, haven't Russia/USSR already made 3 phobos attempts? [01:12:12] Raptop: I'm thinking of Phobos-Grunt and Mars 96 as far as landers go. [01:12:39] Ah, I guess Fobos 1 and 2 were just orbiters? [01:13:19] Raptop: wrong [01:13:21] They had mini-landers, it seems. [01:13:27] Oh dear . . . "Just because they found this U-boat in this location does not mean the sub, which was one of Nazi Germany's most advanced U-boats at the time, did not made it to South America carrying fleeing Nazi officers -- possibly even Adolf Hitler himself." [01:14:20] Rokker: doh [01:14:22] Dying in Berlin would've precluded crossing into South America. [01:14:36] Raptop: It would still, however, be technically the third time for Roscosmos. [01:14:37] Raptop: Phobos 2 had a hopper lander and a stationary lander [01:14:45] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders if Venera D will ever happen. [01:14:49] Scolar_Visari: Nah, that was a reptilian body double. [01:15:13] Scolar_Visari: nah, i like to think hitler lived because it makes the senor hitler mod in HOI4 funnier [01:17:22] Raptop: Was that the competent one? [01:21:33] "Those German Nazis were no fools, they all knew the war was lost and made plans to leave Europe well before the end of WW2." [01:21:50] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders what universe said commenter is living in. [01:22:18] And for the more inane: "so they found it off the coast of South America then brought it back here to make it look like they found it off the coast of Denmark." [01:22:51] Uh [01:23:39] Though given the UFO propulsion/aviation conspiracy theories, this sounds normal. [01:24:13] Scolar_Visari: I need to borrow one of your habitats, and adjust its spin. https://twitter.com/Alex_Parker/status/987114180632334337 [01:24:13] <Alex_Parker> Makes me wonder  is there an effective lower limit on gravity for stable bicycling? Could we mountain bike on the Moon, or no? [01:25:00] Raptop: Just add wings and a propeller on it and use a flying bike! [01:25:16] Hah [01:25:35] Look up https://settlement.arc.nasa.gov/70sArt/AC76-0628.jpeg [01:25:38] Quadcopter+bike? [01:27:38] That would make space station bike mounted police more effective. [01:31:23] Action: Scolar_Visari is disappointed there is not a larger image http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OfYdSSwQfS8/Twtq98Wz2uI/AAAAAAAACFc/e53ey5_yPf0/s1600/space-sprawl.jpg [01:34:16] That image has a Tsutomu Nihei vibe o_O [01:35:43] The model looks like it's based on work done by Pierre Moion for a National Geographic article from 1976 penned by none other than Isaac Asimov. [01:36:14] Action: Scolar_Visari links to, "The Next Frontier?" https://www.flickr.com/photos/42665617@N07/sets/72157626987734175/ [02:30:55] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to liberate humanity from the burden of free will. [02:32:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:19:10] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v RyanKnack ' by anarchy.esper.net [10:06:50] woops https://78.media.tumblr.com/f6a4ae5c3a441ea19f6ce107701280ea/tumblr_p7g570FyVX1u2dxppo1_540.jpg [10:12:26] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186946362474496/436831419898134558/DSC_8784.JPG [10:25:13] what a business https://www.trier-info.de/english/shop?shop_page=item_details&shop_item_id=143&shop_category_id=14 [10:44:15] Althego, lmao [13:11:38] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Maritime_Patrol_and_Rescue_Conroy_Tri-Turbo_Three_Fitzgerald.jpg/600px-Maritime_Patrol_and_Rescue_Conroy_Tri-Turbo_Three_Fitzgerald.jpg [13:11:41] no [13:11:49] just no [13:18:03] Fluburtur: why would someone do this to a beautiful DC-3 [13:18:30] to anger you I guess [13:41:25] Rokker: presumably to enable it to take off and land from extremely short airstrips [13:41:58] Arcan: no [13:42:13] Arcan: it was for speed [13:42:16] incidentally, that's operating in the US [13:42:17] but its disgusting [13:42:50] maybe if a private individual had done it, but given that's an S&R vehicle [13:43:05] i don't find it that bad [13:43:07] ive just gone down a weird rabbit hole of douglas commercial planes [13:43:27] Arcan: if that was the plane rescuing me, id ask to be thrown back in the water [13:43:39] no you wouldn't [13:45:26] Arcan: you think youre right, but youre wrong [13:45:39] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conroy_Tri-Turbo-Three [13:46:48] that particular plane seems to be owned by polair right now [13:46:57] or it was at some point in the past [13:47:07] Arcan: like the fact that that is so hideous vs a Basler BT-67 shows that they are horrible people with awful taste [13:47:35] anywyas [13:49:26] Rokker: it appears that conroy aircraft cannot into DC-3's [13:49:33] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Douglas_DC-3_TP_N4700C_Conroy_LEB_07.06.69_edited-3.jpg [13:50:02] REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [13:50:35] stahp [13:50:40] he's gonna die [13:50:45] hehe [13:51:29] anyways [13:51:33] Rokker: you think that one looks bad? [13:51:34] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Conroy_Super_Turbo_Three.jpg [13:52:00] Arcan: im aware, ive been looking at the weird history of DCs for the last few hours [13:52:52] well [13:52:58] now im reading about CNAC [13:53:00] but still [13:54:19] Arcan: i give you the DC-2 and 1/2 http://cnac.org/plane004.jpg [13:56:04] Arcan: a DC-3 was bombed by the japanese during the 2nd SJ war, outer left wing destroyed [13:56:27] they ordered a new wing from Douglas but were afraid it wouldnt get there in time [13:56:34] what der fu [13:56:34] before the japanese came back for it [13:56:46] Arcan: so they stuck a DC-2 wing to it [13:56:57] this is like HMS /Zubian/ [13:57:06] Arcan: you might notice it looks a little bit lopsided [13:57:07] HMS Zulu had her stern blown off by a mine [13:57:10] this reminds me of some of burt rutan's crazy aircraft [13:57:15] HMS Nubian her bow taken off by a U boat torpedo [13:57:24] FltAdmVonSpiz: lol [13:57:25] so they welded the front half of Zulu onto the stern of Nubian [13:57:33] FltAdmVonSpiz: a match made in heaven [13:57:47] supposedly German anval intelligence went nuts trying to work out where the secret shipyard was [13:57:54] that was building extra escorts [13:58:01] since they had no idea where she had come from [13:58:05] lol [13:58:26] allied intelligence had a lot of fun trolling the germans... [13:59:01] Arcan: apparently my museum also has a weeeeeird Douglas hybrid called the C-39 which along with its C-38 prototype was a weird combo of douglas parts [13:59:29] Arcan: Inner wing and fuselage were DC-3, outer wing and engines were DC-2 [13:59:34] I just have some vision of an elderly naval architect squinting at the two ships in dry dock "Smithers, bring me my large slide-rule" [13:59:35] gear were B-18 [14:01:43] I'm picturing the two parts ending up in a dockyard used to building landing craft [14:01:51] & the foreman going "hmmm, you know...." [14:02:58] except that was the ww1 tribals I guess [14:04:08] landing craft were pretty famous for breaking in half, and then towing the bows back home with the stern half [14:08:03] Arcan: holy crap [14:08:09] Arcan: theres a BT-67 Gunship [14:08:59] wait what [14:09:05] they use gas powered guns [14:09:15] whats the point of a gunship without a gatling cannon [14:09:18] BOOOOO [14:11:35] nvm, they have a minigun [14:11:37] its all good [14:19:32] Arcan: do you happen to know why britain is obsessed with top mounting crap to wings [14:19:48] or was when they had an aviation industry [14:19:57] no [14:19:57] uh saturn will be out tonight at 2am [14:20:47] im pretty sure I can get the rings with my telescope [14:21:44] Arcan: I mean you got the top mounted fuel tanks on the English Electric Lightning, the top mounted missiles on the SEPECAT Jaguar, Armstrong Whitworth tried to make this monstrosity https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgWX4rnSzMnEG85hPlXz2KHNjhzGQ3frZYRgX7chgLxXdF_X-o [14:22:04] oops [14:22:11] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Vickers559_03.jpg/600px-Vickers559_03.jpg [14:34:40] the jaguar is mostly french [14:34:49] they seem more obsessed with top-fit stuff [14:38:10] the lightning tanks were there because the wheels took up most of teh wing [14:39:49] VanDisaster: britain is just another word for france [14:40:16] what would you canadians know about europe :P [14:41:40] VanDisaster: Listen. Ive got scandinavian and germanic blood in my veins. everything south of Denmark is just land for conquering [14:42:17] VanDisaster: france, britain, it all belongs to the normans [14:42:45] like 90% of the pop of britain has scandinavian blood at least ... [14:42:48] Rokker: NEO ANGEVIN EMPIRE [14:43:31] I shuold point out the last successful invasion was by the dutch [14:43:41] altho they did kinda get invited, so a very strange invasion [14:43:59] VanDisaster: i love that the vikings so successfully invaded france that they got offered land in france just so they would stop trying to attack it [14:44:23] they came here, got offered tea, & never went home [14:47:19] the vikings had some great names [14:47:27] who the hell would want to be called "Ivar the Boneless" [15:18:39] "everything south of Denmark is just land for conquering" <--- this but south and east of the baltic sea [15:18:45] signed, norway [15:55:22] Hello [15:55:54] hi [15:56:00] argh [15:56:06] most useless featuer ever [15:56:20] So lately i've been reading how to getting into ksp modding but the tutorial seem to be a bit old, any new about it ? [15:58:15] maybe somebody know about that [15:58:19] but not me [16:01:41] Well thanks anyway [16:02:15] Cewein: what do you want to know? [16:02:58] it's about modding but I thing there is another IRC chat for that ?$ [16:02:59] I have a pretty bad headache right now, but I can still try to answer specific quesiosn [16:03:18] there's #kspmodding [16:03:22] yes there is a channel but i never know its name because at one point it split in two [16:04:40] OH alright thanks ve2dmn [16:04:51] Althego: now it's 3.1, soon it will be modding95, modding98, ME and 2000 [16:05:06] hehe [16:18:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:46:31] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:51:17] https://78.media.tumblr.com/794e567c155d21df93ec58b245cc5fb7/tumblr_oh32q87FMT1rgyw5zo1_540.jpg [17:14:06] https://www.getbadnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mh17-2.png [17:21:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:33:16] https://78.media.tumblr.com/3e22431a6ba268dc21de9b2afde9e14e/tumblr_oehg40UzA21vah69to1_540.jpg [17:37:02] hah scott about star types [17:59:03] Fluburtur: what in the name of capitalism is that cancer picture [17:59:17] Fluburtur: not the duck one, the other one [17:59:44] it is your death :) [18:00:20] Althego: i said not the duck one [18:03:17] Rokker: look at the url. It's from a game [18:03:59] ve2dmn: looks more like its the plane that shot down MH-17 [18:04:06] MH 17* [18:04:18] https://www.youredm.com/2018/04/20/breaking-avicii-just-died-at-28/ [18:04:29] A game with gems like "you are all idiots! The Earth is CLEARLY a CUBE!" [18:04:56] Althego: yeah i got a phone notification about that and all i could think is "i neither know nor care" [18:06:03] lemme know when McCartney dies, until then, meh [18:09:29] eh.. [18:09:45] I'm waiting on the next global iceage [18:10:26] we are still in one [18:10:32] just interglacial [18:22:10] "Paul McCartney having been killed and replaced with a lookalike"... or so does the conspiracy goes [18:33:17] then again.. people have said the world would blow up, the sun would die, all water would spontaneously freeze... I just started tuning things out. Live the moment. [18:35:12] anyways, sorries... [18:35:18] even though the history of life on earth is several billion years long, it has like 1-2 hundred million years left, as the sun gets brighter because of old age [18:35:36] watching this Scott video on stars.. now I'm wondering, anyone ever tried making their own solar system? [18:35:43] life will be long gone before the sun turns into a red giant [18:36:21] eh... heard it was another 5billion years before sun poofs [18:36:45] sun is only middle aged... so we are rather fortunate [18:37:05] yes it is much closer than you would think [18:37:29] earth will be too hot to sustain water long before the sun dies [18:37:55] Well, I ended up being able to see the TESS launch, even though I had to pull over to the side of the road since I didn't make the drive all the way to Titusville [18:38:00] mars could turn out somewhat ok for a while [18:38:26] was a theory running around, saying if the earth was in a more elliptical orbit, our oceans would have helped to keep the temperatures somewhat stable. [18:39:15] a million years.. if humanity was still around, who knows. Maybe we could just simply move the Earth itself out of harms way [18:40:04] I was trying to make it to a good viewpoint, but didn't have enough time. Stupid toll roads... [18:40:41] Toll roads are a bizarre and foreign concept, we do not have them in Idaho or California [18:47:50] https://youtu.be/hs-d16hdSAY [18:47:50] YouTube - vtx02 test [18:49:29] when comes the next entropy? [18:49:37] idk [18:49:46] when I make new nozzles [18:50:34] you know the soviets could make better pictures decades ago on the surface of venus :) [18:50:54] they didn't buy super cheap cameras from china [18:51:53] Yay! I found the wire I wanted for building my antenna... hoping to do some ham-sat receiving down the road. [18:52:12] what sat? [18:54:13] I have a nice conspiracy theory idea [18:54:31] volcanoes are actually giant engine bells made to thrust earth aroudn [18:54:39] man many peoples would believe that [18:54:56] doesnt work [18:55:03] see the corresponding manley video [18:55:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:55:23] any thrustyou would get from them is negated by the atmosphere [18:55:31] Althego, conspiracy peoples don't know anything about anything and only care about stuff that confirms what they say [18:55:59] just the argument that some craters are somewhat bell shaped would be enough [18:56:00] Althego: any valid argument you have is diregarded when talking about conspiracies [18:56:02] Also, gravity. [18:56:09] and do you expect those idiots to know how a rocket actually works? [18:56:16] hehe [18:56:19] they dont know that [18:56:59] when more than a decade ago i read the argument "what does the rocket pushes against", i thought there cant be many idiots of this level. apparently there are [18:57:16] many peoples think that [18:57:36] mostly peoples that don't actually know how they work and not peoples that believe they have to push on stuff [18:57:44] and well, they do actually push on stuff [18:58:01] yes, on the exhaust [18:58:05] Althego Re: What sat? ~any... basically see what comes over my area. [18:58:10] It push against inertia [18:58:19] but they mean the exhaust needs to push against [18:59:00] lol... thrusters on earth... gotta wonder how the death star even moves around [18:59:14] the death star doesnt have any atmosphere [18:59:23] JCB: magic, of course [18:59:24] no but its basically a 'small moon' [18:59:25] also it has the most powerful known energy source [18:59:47] then again.. I come across stuff talking about using mini black holes as a power source for interstellar travel [19:00:03] romulan ships use those :) [19:00:25] ya.. quantum singularities.. but didn't say exactly which [19:00:32] JCB: black hole do have an incredible mass-energy conversion rate [19:00:48] they also mind mummingly small [19:00:53] ugh.. [19:01:00] I mean.. heavy.. [19:01:04] but dont small black holes evaporate? [19:01:22] Althego: define 'small' in that case [19:01:24] otherwise you would need to move the huge mass of the black hole with your ship [19:01:47] wasn't there a limit on how many solar masses small a black hole could be? [19:01:59] naturally occuring [19:02:12] there was some small chance for smaller primordial black holes [19:02:26] they were never found, or rather the explosions they should have created after they ecaporate [19:02:33] you need something with enough mass to generate stupid amounts of gravity... enough to squish solid matter down to a pin prick [19:03:19] So, if I understand correctly, there are no black holes that are lower then 1 solar mass in existance? [19:04:07] well if it were created with less than a solar mass, our sun would have gone dark long ago [19:04:53] there is also a nice theoretical idea, you could put enough energy into a focused point, that its mass creates a black hole :) [19:04:55] And at limit does a black hole stop being if you bombard it with anti-mater? [19:05:19] it is called the kugelblitz [19:05:32] which still doesnt make it a ball lightning [19:06:53] What happens to a black hole which has, say, the mass of the earth? [19:07:10] Does it evaporate under a few instant? [19:07:17] the smaller the black hole the faster it evaporates [19:07:21] probably not [19:07:35] it had to be really small for that [19:07:50] best answer: we don't know (yet). [19:07:52] trouble is... how do you get something heavy enough, squished down to a small enough size, that it creates a high enough gravity gradient [19:08:01] we havent even seen a black hole yet [19:08:08] So what's the event horizon size of a black hole the mass of the earth? [19:08:08] but soon we will havea picture :) [19:08:31] those are relatively easy to calculate, look it up on wiki :) [19:08:33] how can you have apicture of something that can't reflect light? [19:08:44] a picture of the event horizon [19:08:51] as it bends light [19:08:53] naturally, some are saying 2-3 solar masses after a neutrino star is formed, a chance a black hole may form. [19:08:54] that isn't the black hole [19:09:00] it is [19:09:16] Althego: my headache makes math hard. I'll check laters [19:09:25] https://eventhorizontelescope.org/ [19:09:35] where light bends as well as radiated energy... if its a spiral black hole [19:10:26] https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-minimum-amount-of-mass-needed-to-create-a-black-hole [19:15:56] legion: just like a perfect mirror cannot be directly observed :) [19:17:34] I'm hearing rumblings of a new Lockmart fighter [19:17:48] based on F-22 and F-35 [19:18:35] why would they do that? [19:18:51] $ [19:19:43] is that a regex? :) [19:19:48] i know [19:19:49] the times are changing.. constantly [19:19:56] literally [19:20:13] the new fighter going to be pilotless? [19:20:21] The present is not just a point, but a changing vector [19:20:51] will be a nice waste of money and time [19:21:55] whatever came of Russia's unstoppable cruise missile? [19:22:09] or was it fighter.. bomber.. torpedo? [19:22:37] I heard some rumblings about a super fast torpedo project... mostly since part of the project passed through my area in the past [19:22:56] uh I need to get a sky map of tonight [19:22:58] there is a torpoedo and a supersonic long-flight missile [19:23:08] supercavitation torpedo [19:23:10] why build one superweapon when you can build two for twice the price! [19:23:16] I can probably use the planetarium thing on my phone if it works offline [19:23:17] hypersonic [19:23:39] ya.. was some sort of rocket powered torpedo [19:23:40] there was something about it, some 20 years ago? man i am old. nothing happened. ok, there was a supercavitation sub in a seaquest episode once :) [19:24:07] Seaquest... man, that takes me back [19:24:13] been some attempts at doing a super quiet sub.. using superconducting magnets.. [19:24:30] Seaquest DSV? With the talking dolphin? [19:24:36] that [19:24:37] ya [19:24:56] captain was same guy from Jaws, "think we going to need a bigger boat" [19:25:07] and it was a big boat :) [19:25:17] with 'whiskers' [19:25:20] :P [19:25:31] it was an acronym if i remember [19:25:40] And so guy who could breath underwater in the later season [19:25:48] some* [19:25:57] and some bio weapon dude [19:26:05] ah.. here: WSKRS (pronounced "whiskers"; Wireless Sea Knowledge Retrieval Satellites) [19:26:06] Dagwood [19:26:09] TESS landing footage [19:26:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-recix62-OQ&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=YPeE-_aoGckMrVAM-6 [19:26:14] YouTube - TESS | Landing [19:26:14] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:26:22] sep to landing [19:26:41] heh.. yet another series with a geeky kid... ala startrek TNG :P [19:26:44] they are doing it like a pro now [19:26:49] Althego: also, they plan to sell it to japan [19:27:22] so, can it turn into a giant robot with a katana? [19:27:44] Althego: though im wondering if it will be a lockmart plane or a lockmart licensed to mitsubishi [19:28:13] Althego: Mecha-Fighteru! [19:28:38] lockmart... that some kind of knock off company from a certian asian country? [19:28:45] Althego: like they did with the F.2 [19:28:53] With an idol as pilot, who signs on live TV [19:28:59] JCB: Lockheed Martin [19:29:01] sing* [19:29:39] JCB: the 3rd largest aerospace company in the world [19:29:41] lockmart, sounds like some grocery store chain [19:30:02] yes, got to have macross robots [19:30:05] Althego: or the locksmith departement of Wallmart [19:30:32] kwik-e-mart [19:30:33] I know.. just jiving. I just never heard of it called lockmart before, usually lockheed [19:34:08] k I got some planetarium app and it is a bit ugly but it should work [19:34:20] saturn should be up at like 3am so i ope I will get nice pics [19:34:37] go get them [19:34:40] catch em all [19:34:52] Fluburtur: i use Skyview [19:35:09] Fluburtur: pretty decent astronomy app [19:36:11] uh can't put it on my phone for some reason [19:37:25] andromeda will be in an area of pretty bad light pollution so idk if I can get it then [19:38:16] "Lockmart is a leading factory direct wholesale distributor of architectural hardware for commercial openings." [19:38:22] http://www.lockmart.com [19:38:28] hahahaha [19:38:36] ceres will be visible apparently [19:39:02] ayashi no ceres, good old times :) [19:39:19] haumea too [19:39:24] eh I doubt I will be able to get it [19:39:58] saturn will be in a bunch of open clusters [19:41:53] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06X5HYynP5E [19:41:54] YouTube - Aquarius (Let the Sunshine in) [19:41:57] I could get this one https://in-the-sky.org/data/object.php?id=14770 [19:41:58] Where is the Tesla these days? [19:42:07] I used to get astronomy now magazines... but getting them was a pain from the store. I didn't want a subscription because living situation was kind of a mess at the time [19:45:05] https://78.media.tumblr.com/722a301f96f82c1bc5f92811c98ea44b/tumblr_p7cf4xzlu41vjcb7vo1_540.jpg [19:45:21] hehe [19:46:14] >Tumblr screenshot of a reddit post [19:46:40] I might as well upload this to Facebook to complete the descent from good site to horrible [19:46:49] reddit>tumblr>fb [19:47:05] actually... idk, Tumblr is pretty cancerous [19:47:08] fluburtur you are your own worst enemy? [19:47:11] https://www.thingsinsquares.com/wp-content/uploads/hit-tv-comic.jpg [19:47:26] nice [19:47:28] I might be [19:47:33] i wanted to say something about saturn to flub but i forgot [19:47:54] tele... whats it.. don't hit, just twist the triangle thing [19:52:35] i dont know what that would do [19:54:14] oh yes, i dont know how it is related to saturn, but tomorrow is a workday because of first of may happening on tuesday. luckily i just need to work 2 more hours so i stay at home [19:55:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6V3F4nIxGQ [19:55:10] YouTube - Micro Jet Turbine Project Part 2 - Assembly [19:55:29] oh wait, i got it, tomorrow is saturday [20:02:58] https://78.media.tumblr.com/1e46405a646b015a6f1532f9006cb50f/tumblr_inline_p7i2bixLSf1uqr62j_540.png [20:03:36] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt00QzKuNVY [20:03:36] YouTube - 0.38 Second Rubik's Cube Solve [20:06:24] anyways, im hyped for a new lockmart plane [20:06:40] since europe doesn't seem interesting in producing anything new [20:06:49] i wonder why that is :) [20:08:40] well the rafale is good for another 15 years and russian planes for about 150 [20:08:45] also why need new planes [20:09:07] hint: we dont [20:10:02] also we try to not waste too much money [20:14:37] aren't the russian planes still working on vaccum tubes? [20:15:07] I think the more recent ones aren't [20:15:21] but vacuum tubes are still used quite a lot in high pwoer radio stuff [20:15:31] can channel more power than modern electronics [20:15:42] also less prone to EMP [20:15:55] AKA harder to kill [20:15:56] the tunbes were important durign the cold war [20:16:05] now you lose more with them than you gain [20:16:36] yes, really high power radio stations need vacuum tubes [20:16:59] although solid state electronics are pushing the power boundary as time passes [20:17:10] Well, every engineering design is a compromise... [20:18:07] you need new planes cause the enemy has new planes [20:18:11] it's pretty simple [20:18:47] who has new planes? [20:18:50] How are you gonna fight against the SU-57 with a rafael [20:18:56] Fluburtur: russia [20:18:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:19:08] yeahb ut you can't do anything against the russian ones [20:19:21] you cant [20:19:24] we can [20:19:30] nah you are finished [20:19:32] Starcraft told me that SAM are cheaper [20:19:47] some russian pilots tried the rafale once and said they were impressed [20:19:48] dont start this agian [20:20:09] sam against stealthybois [20:20:12] yeah sure [20:20:29] SAM worked out so well for vietnam [20:21:19] they sure beat us in that air war [20:23:42] dev note says they had some hard to solve problems with mobile launchpads, that is why there was no release this week [20:24:05] Mobile launchpads? [20:24:20] I hope it will be in stock [20:24:20] https://78.media.tumblr.com/92410dca84d67e4dcb0a5c7da870189a/tumblr_inline_p7huuqwzH91rr2wit_500.png [20:24:31] expansion [20:24:42] man screw squad and t2 [20:24:48] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:24:50] at least I still have kerbinside [20:25:06] unless they decide to make mods not possible and sell kerbinside as a dlc [20:25:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:25:45] Althego: it sounded like a making history thing [20:25:56] yes [20:26:01] along with the desert site [20:26:40] I don't have the DLC, but I have no need for the parts it adds [20:27:00] (so far at least) [20:28:20] Eh, the DLC parts attempt to be balanced. [20:28:42] They don't always suceed, but they attempt. [20:29:15] that wolfhound or something 412 s isp lol [20:30:00] remember that day when the devs didn't want a procedural solar system because they wanted peoples to be able to share their savefiles [20:30:06] uh wonder what happened [20:30:24] you can procedurally generate from the same seed [20:30:51] mods always broke saves [20:30:55] so nothing new [20:31:03] it is just an official payed for mod [20:31:05] paid [20:31:11] yeah it's stupid [20:31:32] I don't have to pay but I don't really care to use it [20:31:34] Fluburtur: it's the buiness model behind Paradox Studios [20:31:43] no [20:31:51] paradox produces good DLC [20:32:18] 95% true [20:32:21] except those immersion packs [20:33:12] hot take: every game you've ever played is a paid mod [20:33:30] Some of the Cities:Skyline DLC are.... meh [20:33:30] exept free ones [20:33:42] SnoopJeDi: wat, how [20:34:04] also that ksp isn't a game of which you can make dlc [20:34:13] no game would be idealy but here we are [20:34:24] good point, there are free games after all [20:34:34] like https://anuke.itch.io/mindustry [20:34:50] I remember when ksp was free [20:34:56] in the long ago way before times [20:34:58] They used to be called Expansion pack [20:35:39] ve2dmn: I always saw expansions as more of the game rather than adding more to the game [20:36:03] you cant really add to a sandbox [20:36:08] you already have the whole universe [20:36:16] Well... the old Simcity Graphic set didn't add anything to the core game [20:36:23] like CoD United Offensive. it didn't really add more to the game, it just added more OF the game [20:37:06] but your example works in, say, warcraft 2 [20:38:26] my definition also sorta works with the idea of expandalones [20:38:42] Which add more of the game as a standalone expansion [20:39:10] but this definition is all personal preference and how I've always seen it [20:39:37] also I don't like thinking of horse armor as an expansion [20:40:07] if you want continued developpement, you have to pay for it somehow ¯\_(Ä)_/¯ [20:40:35] That horse armor was crappy anyway [20:40:55] although... i would still like a second gas giant in ksp [20:41:01] and my space boat pier [20:41:09] ve2dmn: what if I don't want continued development due to a growing distaste with the base company as well as a desire to not have to update 100 mods every few months [20:41:32] https://i.imgur.com/iE3I0wd.png [20:41:45] That is an interesting question: what WOULD you pay for in a KSP DLC? [20:41:55] Zynga model? :) [20:42:12] for this dlc in particular, not more than 4¬ [20:42:21] ve2dmn: I don't have to pay anything for it. i would pay... like 5 tops for it [20:42:33] oh what, not how [20:42:38] What content would you like to see then? [20:43:02] I would really want something interesting done with asteroids [20:43:19] eh [20:43:30] I'm happy where I'm at with RO and stuff [20:46:15] In-game currency would be the worse... of course, it's a sandbox, so it's basically impossible [20:51:50] I've been listening to the Paradox Podcast lately and I've given this DLC thing a lot of thinking [20:52:06] I'm still waiting for that multiplayer I was promised [20:52:30] don't wrry they will take one of the mods and make it a dlc [20:53:18] Rokker: I hope it's not "No Man's Sky"-style multiplayer [20:54:22] no manley's skye? :) [21:08:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:05:53] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [22:05:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:07:01] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:08:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:08:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:01:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:07:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:07:31] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:49:39] I hope Take2 realizes why Squad normally didn't announce release dates. [23:53:08] I think the tube of my telescope is bent [23:54:00] is there any decently priced telescope [23:55:13] What are you planning to use it for? [23:55:21] looking up [23:55:45] If purely observational, I suggest an 8" dobsonian [23:55:56] s/8"/20 cm/ [23:57:07] yeah [23:57:15] I want to put my camera on it but I guess that's easy [23:57:32] If astrophotography, you'll be spending lots of ¬. [23:57:58] well I can probably do without a tracker [23:58:27] you saw my photos with my cheap telescope [23:58:35] I'm not sure on exact prices in France, but this can be the difference between a $400 telescope, and a $1000-2000 one. [23:59:58] why would that be?