[01:27:48] Depends on altitude? [02:21:42] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ2CbfGs6g [02:26:37] UmbralRaptop: My experiments show that at 5000 m alt, the limit is about 200 m/s [02:26:50] over 60km: > 1500m/s, below 10km, < 200m/s [02:27:29] (values inexact) [02:28:04] F=A*Cd*Q, Q=1/2*density*v^2 [02:28:35] Hmm I need a better experimental setup [02:28:39] or, k*rho*v^2 [02:28:58] (I suspect the kerbal is treated as a sphere) [02:29:35] rho = air density [02:29:58] thus, v = sqrt(rho*k) [02:30:24] (will be a different k, since the first was just for force, second involves hold strength) [02:30:38] AT sea level, bill fell off the ladder at 97 m/s [02:32:44] of course the setup here is with the ladder at 90 degrees to the flight direction [04:56:04] Assume the kerbal is spherical. [04:59:30] Do kerbals moo? [05:00:53] a spherical cow in vacuum? [05:04:17] Yes. The cow becomes oblate in atmosphere from drag effects. [05:11:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow [05:13:23] doh [05:14:59] homer simpson [08:26:16] next up is a vega rocket. mostly solid. quite kerbal isps there [09:28:04] is that a rocket that is going to vega? [09:29:54] no [09:31:02] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-Aeolus [11:42:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:45:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:13:52] so yeah my next goal is an aircraft that can fly supersonic stably at sufficient altitude that kerbals can work on ladders resetting experiments [14:16:16] either that or do a zoom climb and remain at altitude long enough to reset it [14:37:29] Can a kernel in an external seat reset experiments? [14:52:05] I believe they can [14:52:22] kernel? [14:52:40] I'm not sure you can walk along a ladder without sliding off at that speed, though. [14:53:29] https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/sweet-whole-kernel-corn-260nw-101226448.jpg [14:53:32] Action: UmbralRaptop ًں”ھ ًں“± [14:54:08] Althego: my phone refuses to accept that "kerbal" is a real word. [14:54:16] hehe [14:54:28] is that a windows phone emoji? [14:55:01] Nah, generic cell phone [14:55:18] but it looks like a windows tile thing here [14:55:44] U+1F4F1 MOBILE PHONE (ًں“±) [14:56:11] unfortunately since the last update of hexchat, most unicode symbols are not displaying [14:56:22] Althego: exact look depends on system fonts, do if you're on a windows box& [14:56:25] i had to copy it to firefox [14:56:50] I can never see those. I just see a square with four little circles in it [14:56:51] oh, right hexchat is bad at anything off the BMP. [14:57:03] it worked correctly before [14:57:11] but they updated some libraries too [14:57:15] and i think that broke it [14:57:19] Althego, everyone knows that updates must break things [14:57:24] Action: UmbralRaptop ” then [14:57:30] This is the way of things. [14:57:32] this worked lol [14:57:34] I could see those ones [14:58:32] yeah, they're on the BMP [14:59:50] Ooh. Althego https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tips.html#special-glyphs [15:06:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:06:45] (ًں“±) [15:06:50] Still fails :/ [15:08:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:22:06] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:22:06] ...how close can nuclear weapons be detonated to each other? [15:22:18] google doesn't seem to know [15:22:33] right beside another really [15:22:52] but the signal needs to reach them at the same tim [15:23:03] because a very precise chain of event needs to happen to detonate one and if one is near another one that is exploding it will just be blasted away [15:23:44] nuclear weapons are really safe in the regard, can't explode it unless you do it exactly the right way [15:23:50] Althego, ...I assume they detonate by altitude (radar altimeter likely)? [15:24:04] that wouldnt work probably [15:24:12] too big difference in measurement [15:24:19] one would always win [15:24:29] they can have a timer [15:24:57] also they can explode in close enough intervals that ones haven't destroyed the other yet [15:27:57] also, what I think I actually wanted to know, would be how the bombs would be distributed in an attack [15:28:33] is it as simple as taking a map and putting a dot on each government and military facility in the target area? [15:28:40] probably radar altimeters and radio guidance [15:28:55] they have GPS coordinates I think [15:29:10] I wasn't very clear with that, I meant distribution inside a city target [15:29:57] considering modern warhead are a few kilotons at most, I guess one every kilometer is realistic [15:30:07] if you manage to time them correctly [15:30:19] idk about their actual accuracry tho [15:33:30] GlassYuri: AFAIK, important targets are hit multiple times, and MIRV'd setups result in several simultaneous explosions positioned to maximize damage. [15:34:12] yeah I was considering multiple bombs per target already [15:34:46] that means that there will likely some bombs too close to a previously detonated one to survive [15:35:39] I mean one way to intercept them is with another nuke and fry it or just vaporize it [15:35:41] also, how would that look visually (from afar), several bright flashes in very quick succession? [15:35:45] Also bear in mind time separation. You could have waves arriving over 10s of minutes [15:35:45] but they are also hardened for reentry [15:36:04] UmbralRaptop, that I was not aware of [15:36:58] GlassYuri: I mean, warheads from 1 ICBM might be <1 second apart, but with different launchers is different locations& [15:37:43] do they just use reaction wheels and their shape for steering btw? [15:38:43] i doubt they have reaction wheels [15:38:45] There are also the whole limited war and escalate to deescalate ideas, so it's oddly possible for hours or days to pass with limited exchanges at first. [15:38:46] UmbralRaptop, also, do you have an estimate of the time difference from first strike to retaliation? [15:39:14] Althego they do need to correct their path in flight [15:39:24] it isn't, ksp our atmosphere has wind [15:39:28] GlassYuri: depends on both technical and political details. I'd have to consult an expert or at least a bunch of books [15:40:17] I'd *guess* ~5 minutes at the low end [15:40:53] UmbralRaptop, during ongoing conventional war (between superpowers but limited to theatre), all-out nuclear attack [15:48:04] I'd lean towards faster if possibly uncoordinated responses then. But, not an expert. [15:52:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Technicalfool' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:53:43] GlassYuri, but if your aim is to level an entire city, why not just use a higher-yield device like the Tsar Bomba? [15:54:17] because those don't exist anymore [15:55:21] that was a prototype anyway [15:56:09] Yeah - at 50% power [15:56:14] hehe the non seq video i am watching suddenly mentioned tsar bomba out of nowhere right now [15:59:24] you don't usually need to take aout an entire city [15:59:47] and even then, a few well spaced smaller bombs are more efficient at that [15:59:47] It's an interesting question, actually [15:59:55] why not go to the logical conclusion and eliminate all human life [16:00:01] that solves everytihng [16:00:13] yeah but can I stay alive [16:00:45] I mean, in theory, you can detonate them right next to each other. But if you are firing them across half the globe, you'd have to time it very carefully or so far apart that the second bomb doesn't get destroyed by the first one. [16:01:08] they can probably talk to each other [16:02:50] As long as you're a few km away from the first bomb, there will be some seconds before the shockwave hits [16:03:56] And, really, if you're so close that the first bomb might damage the next one, that's a waste of ammunition, no? Spread them farther apart, GlassYuri [16:04:10] Deddly, counter ballistic missiles [16:04:21] Sorry? [16:04:29] they can't intercept a flight of like 8 nukes tho [16:04:33] maybe one or two at most [16:04:44] and you can also send fake ones to counter the counter nukes [16:04:48] Oh I see what you mean. [16:05:08] yes, but they will get some of them, and if your grid is perfectly spaced to avoid unnecessary overlap there will be holes [16:05:33] you could argue that even these holes are very uncomfortable to be in [16:05:44] yeah [16:05:55] hehe [16:11:32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuverable_reentry_vehicle [16:16:42] Fluburtur: they say that there may be sats in orbit with such thingies... [16:17:05] yeah but that's against the space treaty so baaaaad [16:18:05] that would be dumb. how long can a satellite last in low earth orbit? few years? [16:18:36] use the fusion fuel as propellant [16:18:46] presurized deuterium, noice [16:20:56] Althego: it doesn't have to be in low orbit [16:21:36] but higher orbits would be slower, so you would really need a lot of these there, like some comm sats [16:21:47] hah, so those are not comm sats :) [16:23:27] What would be the point when you can just launch it from a sub? [16:24:45] it is dumb either way, really costly and the sat just dies in a few years anyway [16:24:46] Deddly: it's so fast it can't be shot down [16:25:33] Ah [16:25:36] anyone have experience with fan control devices? the "new" PSU i installed doesn't have fan connectors like the old ones, so now i have a few fans i can't connect anywhere. quick search shows a few more or less complex ones, but they all seem to be controlled externally either by poti or touchpad. ideally i'm looking at something that could be handled by hwmon/lm_sensors like i already do for my primary CPU and system fan [16:25:57] People get so inventive when it comes to finding new and surer ways to kill each other. [16:26:00] Eddi|zuHause: how many fans do you have? [16:26:12] huge metal fan :) [16:26:19] about 3 now unconnected ones [16:26:50] strange, i think i have 2 cpu fans and 2 case fans and it works ok [16:27:07] Eddi|zuHause: and no space on the mainboard to connect? [16:27:08] and that is more than usual people have [16:27:21] yes, these are connected on the motherboard [16:27:48] if you mean the old style dumb fans, you can get sata to molex converters [16:28:05] the mainboard has 3 connectors, one for the CPU fan, one for the primary system fan (both controllable by pwm) and a 3rd which i currently don't use, because it can't be controlled, so the fan would run at full speed [16:29:03] hrm. You really need a new computer ;) [16:29:17] i was considering that [16:29:22] I need a new computer as well [16:29:27] witha lot of space [16:29:29] but that wouldn't necessarily solve any problems :p [16:29:38] just create whole new ones :p [16:29:40] like x4 2tb drives [16:29:44] these days some of those mainboards have up to 6 connectors for fans and some even connectors for a water pump... [16:30:07] and all of them controllable [16:30:13] i am using a fairly fancy mainboard, from 7 years ago [16:30:22] hehe [16:30:25] Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H [16:30:27] there is your problem [16:30:44] well, even I have more than three connectors and my mainboard is five years old. And I can controll the fans [16:30:47] *control [16:31:09] i can control 2 fans, but not the 3rd one... i don't really understand it [16:31:17] <- got some kind of summer flu. Bear with me [16:31:43] if i could control the 3rd one, i would get some kind of adapter cable to connect more fans to it [16:31:44] con-troll-ololo [16:31:46] beeeer. Oh no, a bear! [16:32:08] I was thinking how I could incrase the speed of my plane and I might have to come up with an automatic variable pitch prop [16:32:09] omni bearing indicator [16:51:25] so, after consulting the mainboard manual i'm even more confused... [16:52:26] hehe iread it as consuming the manual :) [16:52:38] there actually seems to be a 4th fan port, which i didn't see before. but the wording of the speed control is ambiguous. the german manual makes it sound like all fans can be controlled, the english that only the CPU fan can be controlled. neither matches my observations [16:52:54] hehe [16:53:02] read it in original chinese :) [16:53:18] or original klingon? [16:53:24] even better [16:53:29] would be about equally successful [16:53:50] but then you would just smash the motherboard after reading it [16:57:25] i think i'm going to order one of the "dumb" controls with just a poti, and a few cables [16:57:49] hi there [17:22:24] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/481150996576206850/parapente.jpg [17:29:38] slope soaring... hit any thermals? Or this just straight glide? [17:29:58] just glide, didn't have good lift then [17:59:48] ...the (dis)organizers of the tokyo olympics want school to collect old computers and cell phones to melt down because they don't have enough silver to produce medals [18:00:37] is this goddamn world war 2 [18:02:59] heh [19:01:24] well, scale speed would be about 48km/h. [19:01:58] lel [19:04:58] oh god https://www.banggood.com/KittenBot-4Pcs-270-Gray-Geek-Servo-with-Wire-for-LegoMicrobit-Smart-Car-p-1325386.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN [19:27:57] https://78.media.tumblr.com/3803805e42a4fffe907256d8ac776f54/tumblr_pa6792UOoM1wsbn2ao1_540.jpg [19:28:37] mona lisa joins keanu reeves and weird all in the club of immortals that were found out [19:28:47] lol [19:29:07] yes weird al is strange, he didnt change one bit [19:29:33] https://i.imgur.com/6wVLBoc.jpg [19:29:55] hehe [19:30:21] https://imgur.com/gallery/OG8NT [19:32:15] there is even a page for this http://keanuisimmortal.com/ [19:33:35] hah scott videَ [19:34:05] i usually notice thse the following morning then can watch them around 20 hours after they were released [19:53:01] Hey! [19:55:15] Zarthus: can you ban please ban Kimberly_c31 please? :) [20:24:00] blink [20:34:25] What was that? [20:34:50] Spambot, I'm guessing? [20:35:06] But a spambot using kiwiirc is a bit unusual, isn't it? [20:55:30] Hello [21:01:39] Zarthus: Kimberly1988 is a msging spambot [21:01:46] gotcha [21:02:01] thanks [21:02:12] time to kill all Kimberlies on sight [21:02:28] anyone identifies as Kimberly in this channel? *gazes* [21:04:04] how to tell a bot from others, aside from talk? [21:04:44] they're a webchat user, short names, using SSL, some of them identify as furries [21:05:18] lol.. last bit [21:10:00] hahahhahah [21:10:08] spambot [21:18:38] ...the (dis)organizers of the tokyo olympics want school to collect old computers and cell phones to melt down because they don't have enough silver to produce medals <-- i remember as young schoolkids we were sent from house to house to collect paper (that was not in WWII :p) [21:57:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsGByMQWsiY [21:57:10] YouTube - Top 10 Things You Should NEVER Put In The Microwave [21:57:30] Yep, Watchmojo is digging at the bottom of the barrel. [21:57:50] wow [22:28:15] i'm sure that video is very kerbal, but i make it a habit of not clicking on any "Top X" links [22:30:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:31:55] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:41:40] hello [23:45:27] greetings? [23:45:51] Assuming that you're not another spambot [23:47:56] yeah, kimberly is now called ruth [23:49:47] Zarthus: so how does this work, i say $randomname is a spambot, and then?