[00:57:05] ok Supernovy [02:01:42] And... another Surviving Mars game killed by a bug :( [02:32:09] ISS Urine Tank Level: 33% [04:55:30] irccloud is ded [05:14:50] Wat [05:19:18] Hrm [05:20:11] Action: UmbralRaptor should figure out if it's possible to run a ZNC server on a school network. <_< [05:22:22] it is possible. but is it allowed? :) [05:24:02] Possible as in how much trouble the firewall would be. [05:25:26] UmbralRaptor: What I'm doing is weechat running on a screen on a server that I SSH into through PuTTY [05:25:50] I'm not recommending it, just telling you what I'm doing [05:25:53] :V [05:26:15] that is normal [05:26:38] i do something like from work because iwas too lazy to set up a local client for almost 2 years now [05:28:35] hah, a letter [05:28:42] Action: UmbralRaptor 's current internet access is, uh, embarrassingly limited. [05:30:30] UmbralRaptor: You're in school as a student or a teacher? [05:31:17] grad student [05:31:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o TheKosmonaut' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:32:12] Ah, gotcha [06:23:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o TheKosmonaut' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:02:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:49:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:22:26] What is REdShell Analytics? [12:23:31] never heard of it [12:23:58] It's in KSP. KSP_Data\managed\RedShellSDK.dll [12:25:44] heh [12:25:49] this sounds quite bad [12:26:16] There is some kerfuffule over it being a data gathering thing. I don't know much about it other than there is a kerfuffle and a lot of games are removing it. [12:26:20] https://www.pcgamer.com/red-shell-analytics-software-causes-privacy-uproar-over-a-dozen-developers-vow-to-drop-it/ [12:26:28] it wasn't there in 1.3 [12:28:23] https://8ch.net/player.php?v=https://media.8ch.net/file_store/9142c1dbb502e6dc5575eb7767d95c99b31738c79f6ee8d3a1f501fa603c3877.webm I don't know how it can figure out what they claim. [12:28:50] Since it's saying it can detect how a customer got info on the game and decided to buy it. [12:29:36] Integrate redshell into your game, run all your ad campaigns through redshell tracking links. [12:29:51] So .... how does this game file tell what web pages you go to? [12:31:36] KSP did update the EULA to allow data gathering such as this. [12:32:12] steam forums have a discussion on it. [12:33:22] Blaank: reddit has, too, for several month now [12:33:25] I'm curious what it is. It appears to be advertisement data gathering so you know how people got your game. It would have to be pretty invasive to figure that out such as reading your web browser history or cookies or some such. [12:33:48] and redshell is imo against the GDPR, because I can't opt out of it [12:34:26] It would have to store data on your computer as a cookie when you clicked a link, then when the game launched it would search the computer for the cookie to tell where you got to the purchase page from. [12:34:48] Then it phones home to say how you got to the game purchase. [12:35:43] Ah, Steam forum moderaters keep merging redshell discussion into the EULA discussion. [12:35:44] haha [12:35:54] it seems like they keep giving people legitimate excuses to post negative reviews :/ [12:36:01] YEah [12:36:06] Take Two is not a good company. [12:37:21] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/8rs2d3/psa_red_shell_spyware_is_in_a_lot_of_popular/ [12:37:44] It can be considered spyware because it does track your browsing habits and reports on them. [12:38:15] the fact that we paid for KSP and didn't get it for free makes it even worse [12:38:56] Well look at windows 10. You pay $200 for a professional edition and it ships bundled with candy crush and ads everywhere and screws with your settings. [12:39:57] This is without a doubt tracking software bundled with games. [12:41:08] it makes me want to bombard them with fake data [12:42:09] Have people install a program before installing KSP that falsely reports the origin site as a certain website that sells adult dragon stuff. [12:42:26] And suddenly they start getting everyone buying KSP from there. [12:52:08] Blaank: that's why I'm using Linux for 15 years now. [12:52:37] And usually I check what I'm playing, but shipping this with an update? What? [12:52:57] oof, those reviews. [12:53:40] Fresh wave of negative reviews on the 18th as RedShell thing broke. [12:55:10] I should add one :P [13:00:34] Darn, it actually is in KSP_Data\Managed [13:00:51] No other instances found [13:08:31] RedShell? [13:08:50] I'm glad I only play RSS on 1.3. But I did start 1.4 and now I'm wondering if I should write a complain to our Federal Data Protection Officer [13:10:28] Squad is/was something of an ad company originally if memory serves [13:10:52] So this comes to me as no surprise, r-rright? [13:17:29] that's no excuse [13:17:44] they didn't do this for the last five years, why start now?! [13:21:49] :tinfoil: [13:26:50] sorry, this is not about tinfoil, but about having control over your things. [13:27:32] woosh [13:28:31] ve2dmn: aren't you from Canada? [13:28:44] yes, why? [13:28:51] Have fun doing this legal thing now ;) [13:29:26] (I'm totally talking about putting maple sirup on pancakes here!) [13:29:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+vv nasonfish RyanKnack ' by stormlight.esper.net [13:29:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+vvv Hikaru bathtub_shark phroa' by stormlight.esper.net [13:29:49] :tinfoil: pt2 [13:30:08] Mat2ch: I won't. Not my thing. But I'm just glad we are getting money out of the organised crime, so it's a net positve. [13:30:21] Mat2ch i was talking about the sudden split right as people mentioned that thing [13:30:27] oh [13:30:35] sorry mate :) [13:30:38] like I said... 'Wooooooosh' [13:30:44] hehe [13:31:04] https://i.imgur.com/txU24lz.mp4 [13:32:23] I still think this is sad. Somebody oversteered, then it hit the ground and veered off to a side, because it was still dragged [13:35:25] I can Identify 10 Languages easily... can you do better? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kTeY9lFF7Y [13:35:25] YouTube - Belgian ticket inspector giving a message in 13 languages [13:44:18] not that hard, if you train only this one sentence daily :) [13:45:02] but impressive nonetheless [13:45:41] His accents are pretty good. The Japanese was understandable, (so was his native french i guess) [13:45:56] the German... let's not talk about it :D [13:46:51] Well... Japanese is easy to prononce if you already master a Romance language [13:47:50] well, I still struggle to count in it [13:48:20] Counting is easy. The rules are simply with no exceptions.... [13:48:29] It's not like french.... or Dutch [13:48:46] Unless you are counting things. [13:48:59] that... is too true [13:49:19] wie in Germany say eight and seventy, which confuses even me sometimes [13:49:35] I wonder what happens if I start saying seventyeight... [13:49:55] Or the french 4x20-10-9 for 99 [13:50:04] Four twenties and seven years ago. [13:50:13] exactly [13:52:21] I wonder what happens if I get Fluburtur to use it that way, too :D [13:53:38] Anyway, In the video I recognised Dutch, French, German, English, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Arabic, ??, Japaneses, ?? [13:54:12] I guess Russian after Arabic? [13:54:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:56:16] yes, has to be Russian [13:57:01] the last one is maybe greek? [13:57:37] or danish? [13:57:56] no, not Danish [13:58:12] And there is one afrikaan language... not sure which. [13:58:27] I'm worse at this then I though :/ [13:58:40] Action: Mat2ch hands ve2dmn a t [13:59:18] I'm living in a city with people from almost every country of this planet. I'm even worse, because I stopped listening to them when I was little [13:59:42] Action: ve2dmn stares into the chaos of enlgish written wrods [14:00:06] We mainly get American and French Tourists [14:00:22] The American comes to see Europe and the French comes to see America [14:00:38] We are neither [14:02:59] The Chaos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfRSvTSY0d4 [14:02:59] YouTube - English Pronunciation - "The Chaos" by Dr. Gerard Nolst Trenité [14:04:02] Uæ [14:04:44] ConductorCat: Montreal [14:05:18] ¢ü]F [14:06:33] At least my Kanji is still somewhat accurate [14:07:24] (Basically 'What' + 'place') [14:15:16] NEWS: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/69341191/xenonauts-2-strategic-planetary-defence-simulator [14:16:09] So I need to ask you guys: What mods do you use/know of that add a GUI of a dark color? [14:28:00] Why don't those aliens wear shoes? [14:29:07] They are clones. They don't live long enough to need them [14:38:01] "strategic planetary defense" sounds somewhat like "we need to build the biggest wall mankind has ever seen, and the aliens pay for it" [14:42:26] The aliens only want to pick our vegetables and join the Earthian dream. [14:46:50] You never played Xenonauts 1 ? [14:49:45] no [14:50:18] at my planets, aliens are welcome [14:50:48] i played rogue servitors the last time in stellaris [14:50:53] right... [14:51:06] It's like XCOM (or X-Com) [14:51:21] well, i never played that either [14:53:19] It's more like "They are invading" then the "Everyone is gone. There is only Ice Cream" kind of game [14:53:45] xcom1 is one of the best games ever [14:55:02] Eddi|zuHause: I, too, did the "Mandaroty pampering" play in Stellaris [14:55:26] (I also went devouring horde... It's not easy, but it is 'simple') [14:56:45] My best Stellaris playthrough was with assimilators. I "optimised" the entire galaxy. I was a bigger end-game crisis then the Prethoryns fleets [14:57:26] i've never actually played until the endgame crisis [14:57:52] Eclipser: Ever tried OpenXcom? [14:58:33] the farthest i played so far was with a militaristic empire that matched a fallen empire in strength, but when i defeated that, the other empire awakened and tripled [14:58:53] and immediately demanded for me to be their subject [15:00:20] and by the time i wanted to pick up such a game again, there is a new incompatible version out, and i can't be bothered to go back [15:00:37] :D [15:00:57] you know you can select a previous version in Steam? [15:01:03] yes [15:01:26] i did that in EU4 for a while [15:01:55] otherwise i would never have finished that game [15:03:00] i konquered the world as saxony (becoming HRE emperor and then expanding the vassals) [15:08:55] ve2dmn, yeah [15:12:36] https://m.xkcd.com/2009/ [15:13:07] by the time i was finished it was like 4 versions later [15:14:45] the postman delivered a letter from your lover [15:14:47] no [15:14:52] he actually delivered plastic [15:16:09] what is this self conversation? [15:16:15] idk [15:16:22] I wanted to do something funny [15:16:24] self.conversation is not NOne [15:17:07] what are you talking about? my Konversation is running perfectly fine [15:17:47] Action: APlayer to APlayer: NaN [15:18:14] Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kTeY9lFF7Y [15:18:14] YouTube - Belgian ticket inspector giving a message in 13 languages [15:18:42] I can't place the language after Russian and before (and after) Japanese [15:19:30] The rest I can Identify. I'm tempted to post this to /r/translator to get accurate answers [15:21:33] i'd have said romanian? [15:22:03] That was my guess, but I'm not sure.... [15:25:35] soon... xkcd number will be = current_year [15:25:37] https://m.xkcd.com/2009/ [15:26:03] https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mct7tfivXu1rvuidco1_r1_400.jpg [15:26:52] well, the first one would be flemish/dutch, then french, german, english. spanish, italian, portuguese. arabic, russian, romanian(?), (?), japanese, (?) [15:27:20] Eddi|zuHause: I can confirms all those... [15:28:56] when i was a kid, the signs in the train usually had 4 languages. german, french, russian and english [15:29:14] not entirely sure about the order [15:30:37] Here it changes depending on where you are in the country [15:31:21] well, even during cold war times, there was some exchange of wagons between countries [15:31:26] international trains and stuff [15:31:43] With the more bizarre ones in Native reserves [15:33:46] like, some east german wagon sets regularly travelled to Malmö in sweden [15:33:51] (via ferry) [15:35:02] there's two regulatory bodies that govern cross-border wagon exchange in europe, RIC and RIV (one for freight and one for passenger wagons) [15:36:20] https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/multilingual-road-traffic-stop-sign-inuktitut-syllabic-english-french-octagon-red-stop-sign-inuktitut-syllabic-99958987.jpg [15:36:26] like on international trains that consisted of individual wagons, the responsibility for providing the wagons usually rotated through the involved countries on a yearly basis [15:36:40] so passenger wagons needed to have similar seat arrangements and stuff [15:36:42] (or https://the-peak.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/WEB_Stop-Sign_Alanah-Heffez_Flickr.jpg ) [15:37:23] Eddi|zuHause: Same way our school buses are the same colour as the US despite the fact that there is no specific rule forcing that [15:38:02] not sure if "same way" [15:38:16] They are basically all made the same so they can be sold in both markets [15:38:30] because when you want to couple wagons from different countries into the same train, you need to make sure the couplings, brake systems, heating systems and whatnot are compatible [15:38:54] true [15:39:50] well, and obviously rail gauge and loading gauge :p [15:39:56] what was the end of the red shell discussion? [15:40:10] Althego: Netsplit [15:40:15] hehe [15:40:20] Action: ve2dmn put on tinfoil [15:40:45] which is actually made of aluminium :) [15:43:55] I've got 2 100G antennas and 5.5 km/s of dV, where should I put this relay? [15:45:41] yeah, why is it tinfoil and not alufoil? [15:45:57] the same reason why english peaople call the center of a pencil lead [15:46:02] historical reason [15:46:04] it's "Alufolie" in german [15:46:06] used to be tin [15:46:12] alufólia here [15:46:54] well, "pencil" is "Bleistift" (lead pen) in german [15:47:40] Eddi|zuHause: I just learn this week than there are about 5-10 different expressions in french to designate a pencil [15:47:53] but the center of a "Bleistift" is called a "Mine" [15:48:08] no clue where that word came from [15:49:08] And a mechincal pencil has 4-5 different names too [15:49:37] I didn't even realise it :/ [15:49:47] you mean a "Kugelschreiber" [ball writer]? [15:49:58] no [15:50:17] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_pencil [15:50:40] A mechanical pencil (US English)[1] or propelling pencil (UK English),[2] also clutch pencil.... [15:50:47] Other names include automatic pencil, drafting pencil, technical pencil, click pencil,[citation needed] pump pen, pump pencil, leadholder, pacer (Australian English), pen pencil (Indian English), and lead pencil (Bangladeshi and American English). [15:51:48] watch what happens when I dump the clutch while in second gear on my clutch pencil [15:52:05] i don't think i ever heard the german name for that thing [15:52:44] In French I've seen "mechanical pencil", "Leadholder", "Lead pusher",... [15:52:57] Lead in this case being "mine" [15:53:49] so... more like 'mine holder', 'mine pusher', etc... [15:54:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v Zarthus' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:56:21] the moho mine survive at all cost [15:56:25] +must [16:02:19] I was speaking about these things with another chatroom and for the record, the original name of 'croissant' is 'moon crescent'... It just never got translated and the new word got adopted verbatim in English [16:04:37] A similar thing happened with an english insult with starts with D and simply means 'shower' in french [16:12:03] we do have the word "Dusche" in german, meaning shower [16:12:29] we also have a rather mild insult called "Warmduscher" :p [16:29:30] i think it's more an american insult [16:48:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:08:48] What kind of engine would a leafblower be if it were on a plane? Turbo? [17:10:38] probably [17:10:48] but that would be the turbo for a proper engi_ne [17:14:19] Fluburtur: Chocolatine / Pain au Chocolat? [17:14:28] pain au chocolat [17:14:34] I see [17:15:24] pain :) [17:17:23] yes. You know what the frenchman are so angry and rough? They hate pain for breakfast! [17:20:00] Fluburtur: sorry been reading too much of this blog: "Le Français de nos régions" [17:22:50] I really wish English had a similar thing... because since there is no language regulator it probably varies a lot by region [17:23:11] (kind of like the whole Pop vs soda vs coke vsw fizz vs.... ) [17:24:16] juice [17:44:24] coffee [17:44:32] https://78.media.tumblr.com/1bda6cf64ef2209470c7db1f78feb7cb/tumblr_n8damp8Dkm1qdlh1io1_400.gif [17:47:40] quite a fall. not recommended [17:53:16] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVbdbVhzcM4 [17:53:16] YouTube - Two Vortex Rings Colliding in SLOW MOTION - Smarter Every Day 195 [18:00:04] lol he has 12 hours of this [18:03:06] :3 [18:24:29] nice precession https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4gzuwaTHd0 [18:24:29] YouTube - Oddly satisfying: pendulum with paint finds path to equilibrium [19:11:39] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHfU3W-ClTE [19:11:40] YouTube - What Would Happen If America's Internet Went Down [19:29:30] I remember I saw a VR headset at a thrift store for 5 bucks...I passed up because I don't have a smartphone though...DEFINATELY would have gotten it if it were an Oculus though. [19:36:19] aaand wintergatan [19:36:34] hehe the sound effect [19:40:12] these sound effects are just too funny [19:41:04] he is watching mathias wandel videos, obvious from the sped up sequences [19:43:28] hehe put it inside a car :) [19:43:35] that would be the solution [19:44:51] hehe he cant even bend the acrylic without problems. that is done regularly with glass [19:50:23] eh a flat earth stream. but i can watch that now [19:51:08] What are they showing? [19:52:12] actually anti-flat earth [19:57:52] https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/friendlybruisedfattaileddunnart [19:57:56] https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/eminentbitesizeddiplodocus [19:58:01] https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/horriblefamousbubblefish [19:59:56] haha and playing ksp in the anti flat earth stream [20:02:31] Flat Kerbin Mod [20:02:45] how would that even work? [20:03:35] Flat Kerbin moves really fast. [20:04:34] Kerbol orbits it. [20:05:17] Throw Occam's Razor out the window. [20:07:56] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_effect - does this work in KSP? [20:08:02] Throw a razor out the windows? you want to hurt someone? [20:10:58] "You couldn't, because there would be no way to correctly simulate gravity. It's just physically impossible to have even gravity on a flat plane. There is no logical way to transition between orbital and flat." [20:13:08] "I believe in a flat earth because I'm a science idiot." [20:13:26] Draconiator: just say what I always say to flat earther. [20:13:36] "Of course! Earth is locally flat!" [20:15:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVa2UmgdTM4 [20:15:59] YouTube - Flat Earth CRUSHED by Discovery Channel [20:16:20] This video always makes me smile. Narrated by the Hawkman himself too. [20:16:33] Flat earth has been crushed by everyone with the slightest knowlage of physics or reasoning skills [20:16:44] yep [20:17:15] Flat earth was crushed by a dude with two poles [20:17:22] :V [20:17:42] or people with knowledge of stars, people with knowlede of timezones, so on [20:17:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v phroa' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:22:56] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:22:56] Flat Earth was crushed by a guy in ancien egypt [20:23:36] Comment from that video: [20:23:45] "the only thing flat earthers fear is sphere itself.ÿ" [20:27:51] I would have started hating you Halcyon if I was drinking something. [20:39:21] https://i.gyazo.com/d1d90444091226db97a6286b12812819.png - According to Google Trends, this idiocy started fairly recently too... [20:43:16] Every related term has those three spikes on the graph. [20:54:28] turtle earth [20:54:42] toroid earth [20:54:48] paraboloid earth [20:55:31] icosahedral earth [21:04:42] Sinusoidal earth? [21:05:06] Or do it like the physics teacher, and misspell "Cosinus" (German) as "Conus" [21:06:31] hyperbolic paraboloid earth when? [21:18:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v phroa' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:29:57] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:29:57] https://i.gyazo.com/11486d15efa887b0759d5beca45a2a5d.png [23:31:34] looks like a weird paper glider [23:41:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:43:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:44:02] Evening, Gentlemen. [23:52:46] http://planetary.org/blogs/jason-davis/2018/20180620-new-neo-threat.html