[00:43:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v lol768 ' by anarchy.esper.net [01:12:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o umbralraptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:58:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v lol768 ' by anarchy.esper.net [02:14:39] t-6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZGI_lHGltA Rocket Lab 'Return To Sender' Launch [02:19:40] t-1 [03:16:09] hah the first stage made it back [03:24:55] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnO_fYkVQAEQdZE?format=jpg&name=small [03:25:38] and an other one is a bit battered https://twitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1329479298437230594 [03:26:51] https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936219170/scientists-discover-outer-space-isnt-pitch-black-after-all?t=1605842646976 [03:27:07] https://arxiv.org/abs/2011.03052 [03:27:10] lol.. gnomes in space [03:27:19] only on [03:27:20] e [03:27:35] starts with just one ;) [03:30:49] The moon is an interesting body [03:34:22] i noticed it just now but they put a huga postal stamp on the fairing [03:37:45] Action: umbralra1top keeps on expecting but not finding a schector function in that paper [03:38:22] umbralra1top, are you a mathematician? [03:40:12] astronomer [03:41:32] umbralra1top, wow thats tough shit [03:42:24] backseat modding: no swearing on the channel [03:42:40] Oh right [03:42:47] But yes thats extremely tough stuff [03:42:52] It's not *that* difficult at times. Also you're fined one credit for violating the verbal morality statute [03:43:21] umbralra1top, I can't even begin to understand math/physics and you do it for a living [03:44:40] more than one hour until the bakery opens. i woke up too early and i am going to be hungry [03:49:11] ah, there it is, in section 5 [03:49:40] Action: umbralra1top missed something, since I assumed that minas_tirith had a software dev day job [03:49:57] umbralra1top, what does that have anything to do [03:50:10] in contrast to a night job, which is secret defender of gotham? [03:50:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o umbralraptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:50:58] yes, exactly like that [03:51:02] umbralraptop, flexing his power [03:51:18] minas_tirith: I mean, as in you probably have a lot of the relevant math/science background already [03:51:36] We were taught very little math [03:51:47] And most of the math won't be needed every day [03:52:31] since i left the simulation business, there really was no math in the code [03:57:32] on the other hand the amount of stuck up germans is zero [03:58:18] there were 2 sane software guys, all the other normala people were hardware [03:58:57] Althego, do you ski? [03:59:14] no [04:00:46] winter sports are deadly [04:01:20] if they dont kill you they maim you [04:01:39] and i hate cold anyway [04:01:58] I want to ski [05:58:15] mars planetary base builder game: per aspera [05:58:29] Althego, are you latin [05:58:42] are you a bot? [05:58:53] No [05:59:06] a bot would say that too :) [05:59:10] Yes [05:59:23] per aspera is the name of the game [05:59:58] Althego, its a nicen ame [06:01:20] anyway it looks great, but not buyable yet [06:11:14] Althego, I wanna make ambient art [06:15:22] this is what i needed. last year i was playing surviving mars for weeks around this time. now i am going to play per aspera. as soon as it is released [07:43:44] Hi [07:49:12] Mod9000, Inquisition [07:49:24] (the us-colombian band) [07:49:29] I was listening to it today [07:50:16] Mod9000, have you been to Colombia? [07:50:21] I mean to visit the nation one day [07:52:03] Action: umbralraptop parsed that as us-columbian blend, like it was some sort of coffee [07:52:41] Action: minas_tirith parses umbralraptop [07:56:19] but did you use regular expressions? [07:56:58] umbralraptop, nope, full cfg [07:57:27] fiar enough [07:57:34] hehe [08:31:29] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:19:57] but no recovery pictures yet https://www.flickr.com/photos/rocketlab/ [09:20:27] those bee satellites are really small [09:33:05] Still no road closures. hm. [09:37:04] i wouldnt expect them this week [10:01:01] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:09:19] more leaning tower of florida https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxCW2j_nDs [11:09:52] unrelated: broken sword has the most horrible control scheme i have ever seen in an adventure game [11:10:17] broken sword 3 [11:10:25] 1-2 was ok [11:48:00] why is it leaning? [11:48:08] stormy weather? [11:48:25] they wouldnt try to land in bad weather [11:48:30] probably a leg is damaged [11:53:20] Stormy weather after the landing could cause this [11:53:30] when the barge is thrown around by the waves [12:19:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:29:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:35:30] hello [15:35:37] hello [15:35:44] hello Modbot [15:35:59] what is this about? [15:36:06] Space! [15:36:22] or so I've been told [15:36:38] Ficticious space. [15:37:12] We simulate space. [15:37:14] well, Kerbal Space, in any case [15:37:23] ahhh there we go "fictitious"! :D [19:23:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o umbralraptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:35:45] what about it [19:45:30] Action: darsie took a recovery contract and the dimensions of the item indicade an inflated heat shield. I encountered a deflated heat shield. [19:46:50] still better than when i needed to recover a decoupler, with the new biggest diameter (the really big one). in total darkness, because docking is always in dark [19:47:08] the issue is there is a whole in the center so i couldnt use the indicator [19:47:19] hole ;) [19:47:52] The klaw had trouble latching onto the shield, too. [19:49:43] the arecibo observatory is closing down because the damage is too dangerous to repair [19:49:45] e [19:49:52] e! [19:50:18] how do the aerodynamics for reentry work in code [19:50:31] we dont know, closed source [19:50:42] no like the technque [19:50:52] In KSP or rl? [19:50:52] I guess there's always FAR [19:50:59] we know how space works (patched conics) [19:51:06] how does reentry and flight work [19:51:17] full os simplifications [19:51:38] of [19:51:47] There's something with drag cubes (so it has an idea of what parts are visible/causing drag in a given direction, as well as some effects from their shapes) [19:51:54] But it has assumptions that allow for shenanigans [19:51:59] yes, far is way more closer to reality [19:52:00] see eg: those heat shield wings [19:52:28] how does that work then [19:53:00] i'm trying to find the technique for reentry aerodynamics to make a game myself pretty much [19:53:21] i doubt it actually does anything different for reentry [19:53:40] as compared to flight [19:55:13] even simplified simulation of any kind of fluid dynamics is a field in itself [19:56:29] lol https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/jvltdw/three_axle_artificial_gravity_station/ [19:56:30] Guest77687: If you want a realistic, consistent aerodynamics system, KSP's is not one to copy [19:56:45] It's better than it was pre-1.0, but that's not saying much [19:56:57] Orbiter? [19:57:23] Don't know [19:57:35] Hmm, I just made 106 km Ap with a whiplash. [19:57:42] 6.7 g [19:58:06] hmm, repair kits for fixing parts in 1.11 [19:58:35] but the example shows wheel, which was already repairable [19:58:40] i was hoping for something else [19:58:41] Guest77687: FAR is probably the gold-standard for spaceflight-simulator aerodynamics [19:58:44] maybe engines [19:59:31] Broadening the field, X-Plane, but I don't think the source is available [20:00:44] There's a high-level description here https://www.x-plane.com/desktop/how-x-plane-works/ [20:06:15] hehe paradoxically the only thing i can tell you how real commercial simulators do it. they dont. they are always for a specific aircraft, and simply use measured data from the real one to interpolate forces. because of this a game is a lot harder to do since there is no real counterpart to measure from [20:09:49] at least there is one picture of return to sender https://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1329728110749597697 [20:10:14] the interesting thing would be the bottom, how badly it is damaged by heat [20:10:34] but looks remarkably clean compared to a flacon 9 [20:13:25] Althego: X-Plane does have a (very expensive) FAA-certified version for actual training [20:14:23] of course you can certify anything if it comes up with correct results. there are different levels for that too [20:14:49] but none of the simulators i worked with had actual aero simulation [20:14:56] but had these shortcuts [20:15:06] doesn't xplane use the lift of each section of wing [20:15:31] or is that a diffferent kind of lift of each section of wing [20:17:24] also the sims i worked with were all military, therefore they were never certified by any authority [20:26:12] Guest77687: Read the link above [20:26:21] Althego: neat [21:09:23] where is said link [21:09:30] oh ok found it [21:09:32] nvm [22:08:23] IS KSP2 out yet? [22:12:20] No, and not until 2022 last I saw [22:13:48] If we go by Star Citizen time, that might have to be extended into 2032. [22:14:12] I am hoping, but recognize the unlikely occurrence, of the next update to KSP 1 making my game work. [22:15:56] Oh well, at least I still have Surviving Duna and Jebediah: Dangerous [22:32:27] Action: darsie found a class I comet on a sun escape trajectory https://i.ibb.co/j5znVvY/screenshot248.png [22:35:21] Action: umbralraptop wonders if it got a sling, or if comets are generated with e = 1.05 or the like [22:41:00] hm? [22:41:32] There are non escaping comets, too. [22:42:00] Action: darsie got a challenge. [22:42:42] First, capture it to the Sun. Then, bring it to LKO or so. [22:44:40] I'll make an eccentric orbit, change plane at Ap, then go after the comet from Pe. [22:45:36] I should pack several nervs, but I'm too lazy. I'll try with my single nerv asteroid pusher. [22:46:16] Would it be cruel to bring Bill on a command seat? :) [22:50:22] one of my goals, make a base on an asteroid after its made into a safe orbit. chances of happening: ... eh ya.. just survive Covid first [22:57:22] JVFoxy: define safe orbit. [22:57:57] darsie safe as in it won't hit anything for decades [22:59:36] That's not so hard. [23:01:43] maybe not.. depends on settings [23:02:02] sandbox, easy. Career, easy to how many lifetimes you wanna do it by? [23:17:03] Let's see if a GPU driver update works. [23:20:18] Drats [23:25:58] More detailed analysis of the UnityPlayer.dll related crashes as they relate to Citrix, which I do not have, reveal that those particular crashes involve the Citrix display adapter. [23:26:30] This is intriguing, as my own crashes started after swapping out monitors that would be classified in the same device group. [23:43:18] Trying to see if C++ reinstallation might help, but now I'm getting an error. [23:59:43] Hypothesis: Unity 5.4 is actually an SCP.